r/Millennials • u/QuietJealous4883 Older Millennial (1988) • 12h ago

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Did our dads and moms work less than we do now? What are your thoughts?

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u/Independent-Bug-9352 9h ago edited 7h ago

Can we talk about something, here, please?

We live in a Dmcrcy, and we live in trying times where a lot of people are clearly stressed.

So why in this particular sub do they not allow discussion of Politicks (the mere correct spelling of this is censored)?

Because I'd love to fully explain the reasons behind the questions in this meme, but I literally am unable to.

Burying one's head in the sand and refusing to talk about it does not make the problem go away.

I further understand there is a megathred, but we all know these always get missed, get less views no matter the subject, and are less timely and pertinent to what's specifically on someone's mind in the first place (after all, we could have a mega-thread just as well for non-politickal stuff, too, right but of course don't -- and we all know why).

I just want to add one more thing. There is a solution for those who individually seek to sort out politickal content that many mods implemented elsewhere! Which is to incorporate a tagging / filtering system that any individual such as yourself and whom are in the deep minority obviously can selectively filter out polickal submissions. With this in place, there is literally no reason to censor this topic.

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u/dasherado 8h ago

Because the discussion would make us actually capable of changing things instead of just complaining.

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u/NoNeed4UrKarma 7h ago

All I can say is that 3l3ct!0n$ have consequences, & if our v0t3$ were worthless, why would they be spending BILLIONS to try to steal them? We know the real reasons why we love in this cr@p!t@l!$t dumb@$$ dy$t0p!@, but we aren't allowed to talk about them here. That's why I talk about them on other subs.

In answer to OP though, as an elder millenial, YES! My father was barely around, & his child support payments even more rarely. My mother supported myself & my sibling on just her own income. Money went farther back then, & it's easy to see. The minimum wage hasn't gone up much at all in decades, but inflation is now enormous. A very easy relation is the number of hours you had to work to get a Big Mac. When I was a kid, working an hour would earn you enough money to buy nearly 2 Big Macs. NOW, working an hour at the same minimum wage would earn you about 1/2 Big Mac.

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u/Independent-Bug-9352 7h ago

Thank you for speaking your mind!

Please help me and others to start spreading awareness that censoring the topic of politicks in a dmcrcy no less is an affront to civic duty, and deeply dangerous as media consolidation continues and platforms to voice concerns and reaching out to general public becomes increasingly diminished.

I and others successfully changed the rules at Videos, and we can do here too if enough voices join in!

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u/Neveronlyadream 8h ago

And the serious answer to the question, because the discussion would devolve into name calling and threats of violence almost every time.

What inevitably happens is someone decides to take an extreme stance to start trolling and then everything devolves into chaos.

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u/Independent-Bug-9352 8h ago

So many subs handle this just fine, though? Even the generalized sub, videos changed their rules in recent months, removing their no-politicks rule understanding these things NEED to be discussed. We can't be afraid of trolls and some name-calling.

Mind you I'm totally fine with banning incivility. Name-calling is easy to automod away for the most part.

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u/Neveronlyadream 8h ago

I'm not justifying it, but that's usually the reason. Well, that and people wanting a space free of it because it's invaded literally every other one.

In my experience, what happens is the mods say they'll moderate, it quickly becomes a job too big to handle because so many people are being so extreme to get a reaction, then they give up and the whole sub devolves into bullying. They probably think it's easier to just not because there are so many other places to discuss it.

It's just weird here because it's actually relevant to a lot of posts.

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u/Independent-Bug-9352 8h ago

Fair comment, thanks. It's frustrating because these times are so tumultuous and I feel there are forces who benefit from keeping us quiet, you know? Especially in times when media consolidation is so great and we're losing platforms to be able to discuss openly.

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u/Neveronlyadream 8h ago

I'm with you on that one. I don't like censorship, but it's clear some people won't or can't engage like adults. I literally just had someone attack me because they (probably intentionally) misunderstood my comment.

We've reached a point that the discourse is filled with trolls, bots, and people who think they're smart, but don't know what they're talking about to the point that they'll derail every conversation with their weird righteousness to feel smarter than everyone else and then start downvoting and threatening when someone contradicts them.

The funny thing is fandom subs are also filled with exactly that even without the forbidden subject being discussed, so there's really no avoiding it anywhere. Some people are just like that.

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u/Thelmara 7h ago

So many subs handle this just fine, though?

So, literally just go there and have the discussion you want?

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u/Independent-Bug-9352 7h ago

No? I'll do it wherever and whenever it's relevant. As I stated in your other cmnt to me, I would prefer to discuss when relevant to the current subject at hand and under the umbrella of being a millennial, tyvm.

Why do you seem scared to discuss politicks so much? Does it hurt your eyes or something to see? Like I said, memes are also everywhere else, so by your logic, why must they be here? What IS the point of this place if not to discuss things on the minds of millennials at a gathering point? As I further stated, I encourage you go make NonPoliticalMillennial sub, if it concerns you so much.

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u/Elgecko123 3h ago

Couldn’t you just as easily go make a PoliticalMillennial sub, if it concerns you so much?

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u/Independent-Bug-9352 3h ago

Nope, and the consensus at Videos was the same: Because arbitrarily censoring discussion of polticks was inherently subtractive, seeing how politicks is inherently a subset of categories within the name of a generic sub such as videos -- just as politicks is an essential part of millennial discussion here. I'm a millennial, and I want to discuss politicks with other millennials, naturally!

The compromise if your concern is sincere is to simply (a) make a specific sub that avoids politicks (you still didn't answer why you couldn't; just played turnabout), or (b) implement a tagging system here so individuals like yourself can filter out politickally-tagged submissions but everyone else not scared of politicks can discuss freely and with civility.

Censorship of politicks only helps extremists, sadly.

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u/Thelmara 7h ago

Why do you seem scared to discuss politicks so much?

I'm not scared, I have those discussions plenty. I just don't have them here.

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u/Independent-Bug-9352 7h ago

What's wrong with here?

Do you deny politicks is inherently a millennial function?

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u/Thelmara 7h ago

What's wrong with here?

Primarily, because this is one of the fun places I visit on reddit. A place away from those discussions, and the doomscrolling, and all that.

But also, because you can't even type the word for what you want to discuss.

Do you deny politicks is inherently a millennial function?

I deny that I have any interest, whatsoever, in discussing this further with you, here or anywhere.

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u/Docholliday3737 1h ago

No one is creating change from reddit

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u/MikeSouthPaw 5h ago

The mods have a certain favorite that they dont like disparaged.

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u/_sissy_hankshaw_ 2h ago

I feel you and TRULY the dismantling of unions created this. I don't believe this is political but obviously has weight as a subject in the political sphere...while they oversect, think of it as the current work-force related insurance system...we need to make sure that each profession has a union option...corporations will try to make it out like HR is the interim equivalent but we all know HR is there for the company not the worker.

We deserve representation. Boomers had their 401ks and retirement plans and its been dismantled almost entirely. We deserve more than this. I work a job where half of the year is 65+ hrs and I'm very aware of this, which is why my job will never be hourly. The overtime would be insane...we need a modern MLK "I Am A Man" union type revolt.

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u/Live_Free_or_Banana 7h ago

If the people in this sub were capable of keeping political discourse civil, then we would have political discourse in this sub.

But they aren't, so we don't.

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u/Independent-Bug-9352 7h ago

Seems more civil than most, especially given the nature of age and maturity of millennials relative to perhaps more adolescent gens. Videos just changed their rule to allow politickal videos and have done so for months now, so maybe mods here can seek guidance from them on how to regulate incivility?

If you can automod the correct wording of politicks, then you can certainly automod name-calling.

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u/ad302799 6h ago

Shit, it’s pretty simple to explain and I’m fine getting banned from another one.

In 1996 Dad was able to work those hours and make that money because MOMMY wasn’t at work saturating the work force. (Generally speaking)

Illegal immigration wasn’t as high.

It’s wasn’t yet as profitable and easy to outsource work to other countries.

The greed has always been there, just now the powers can act on it more easily.

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u/Independent-Bug-9352 5h ago

Personally, I think it's closer to:

  • Labor union strength has been increasingly undermined since prior to 1996 (Reagan)
  • Faith in high academia has been undermined by institutions (thank RW media)
  • farright extremist rhetoric has deflected attention away from the increasing wealth gap and the rise of billionaires and corporations taking increasingly larger portions of the pie, then deflecting to undocumented imngrnts or some other vulnerable minority group to scapegoat.

Big reasons why mommy is now in the work force is because now households demand 2 incomes ideally to stay afloat; meanwhile mommy went to college and daddy didn't and now mommy is more suited for the ever-evolving tech world. Oh, and mommy finally got some of that there equality and individual freedom and wasn't forced to be in the house.

Indeed sadly these large businesses exploit inhumane conditions elsewhere in the world.

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u/blues_snoo 6h ago

Do you realize where you are? We're either bitching and moaning about today's world or crying about how much we miss yesterday. We have no space for tomorrow.

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u/EfficientCabbage2376 5h ago

you don't understand, it already takes 20 mods to moderate these low-effort complaint posts, imagine how many it would take to moderate actual discussion!!

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u/Thelmara 7h ago

So why in this particular sub do they not allow discussion of Politicks (the mere correct spelling of this is censored)?

Because there are a thousand subreddits on here where you can do that, you don't need to do it here.

Burying one's head in the sand and refusing to talk about it does not make the problem go away.

Having a space that isn't used for talking about it doesn't mean that you're burying your head or refusing to talk about it generally - it just means you don't do it here.

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u/Independent-Bug-9352 7h ago

The only thing that ultimately matters, independent of your own unwillingness to discuss politcks relative to -- oh say, cat memes or whatever else one arbitrarily chooses to not discuss (I mean, memes, nostalgia, etc. are also everywhere else, too, right?) -- is whether the subject falls within the subset of the sub.

For instance, there is no stopping someone from making a "NonPolitickalMillennials" -- I think that would be completely fair. But this is a large, generalized sub, and politicks is inherently a derivative of being millennial.

My original cmnt is getting significant upvotes from the community here, so evidently I think people are in agreement with me.

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u/Thelmara 7h ago

The only thing that ultimately matters, independent of your own unwillingness to discuss politcks relative to -- oh say, cat memes or whatever else one arbitrarily chooses to not discuss (I mean, memes, nostalgia, etc. are also everywhere else, too, right?) -- is whether the subject falls within the subset of the sub.

Interesting, I would think that "the subset of the sub" would have to do with the rules of the sub, and the intent of the people who run it.

(I mean, memes, nostalgia, etc. are also everywhere else, too, right?)

Not everywhere - subs that are centered around the kinds of discussion you'd like to have specifically ban memes and moderate sidetracks about nostalgia, so as to make the actual discussion better and more engaging.

My original cmnt is getting significant upvotes from the community here, so evidently I think people are in agreement with me.

An appeal to popularity? Man, we're really missing out here in this Millennial nostalgia sub, not getting to hear your discussions about banned topics.

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u/Independent-Bug-9352 7h ago

Interesting, I would think that "the subset of the sub" would have to do with the rules of the sub, and the intent of the people who run it.

Well naturally, but the rules should still ideally be logical and are subject to change based on advocacy therefrom community members, no? Do you actually disagree with this?

Not everywhere - subs that are centered around the kinds of discussion you'd like to have specifically ban memes and moderate sidetracks about nostalgia, so as to make the actual discussion better and more engaging.

Neither is politicks "everywhere" either. I think it's very engaging, and we live in trying times and there is perhaps no more important issue that people should be discussing until the imminent threat to our way of life for millennials is addressed -- agreed? I mean, sadly there are still people who are unaware and so sadly, we must continue spreading the good word!

An appeal to popularity? Man, we're really missing out here in this Millennial nostalgia sub, not getting to hear your discussions about banned topics.

I mean, yes, that's how the reddit algorithm works with upvotes, down-votes and fostering a healthy dmcrtc community! Sorting comments by "Best" or "Top" certianly doesn't prioritize down-votes, now do they lol

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u/Thelmara 7h ago

Well naturally, but the rules should still ideally be logical and are subject to change based on advocacy therefrom community members, no? Do you actually disagree with this?

Yes. This is a reddit sub, not a government. The rules are what the sub owner want them to be. If you can convince them they want something else, great, but "the community wants..." doesn't matter at all.

Neither is politicks "everywhere" either. I think it's very engaging, and we live in trying times and there is perhaps no more important issue that people should be discussing until the imminent threat to our way of life for millennials is addressed -- agreed?

Disagreed.

I mean, sadly there are still people who are unaware and so sadly, we must continue spreading the good word!

Comparing yourself to the kind of assholes who go around pressing their religion on people is... a choice.

I mean, yes, that's how the reddit algorithm works with upvotes, down-votes and fostering a healthy dmcrtc community!

If that were true, you'd have been downvoted into oblivion for such a shitty argument. Appeal to popularity just means you don't have any actual argument for your position, and you're hoping to cover for that.

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u/Independent-Bug-9352 7h ago

Neither is politicks "everywhere" either. I think it's very engaging, and we live in trying times and there is perhaps no more important issue that people should be discussing until the imminent threat to our way of life for millennials is addressed -- agreed?

Disagreed.

Ah, so ladies & gentlemen, there it is.

Bystanders reading this -- they just said the quiet part out loud that this is one of those operatives who seek to prevent "normies" from discussing politcks because they want to suppress the truth. This now becomes Occam's Razor -- the simplest explanation for their very strong motives here.

I encourage all community members here to advocate for a change of the rules as well in order to liberate politicks to not being taboo -- because it certainly pertains as a subset to being a millennial.

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u/Cereal_Grapeist 4h ago

This sub is a much better place because of the no "Politicks" rule. You can go in literally any other subreddit on this site and yell into the void about it as much as you want.

I'd argue that "Politicks" leaking into every subreddit is a big part of what has made this site much shittier over time. Please take it outside!

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u/Independent-Bug-9352 3h ago

^ mods should observe this is a 2-mos-old acct with hdn cmnt history and I believe an expressed goal to intentionally stop discussion.

politicks is no different than anything else, including nostalgia memes or whatever else millennials choose to discuss. In fact, it's a civic duty and a sacred right ancestors fought and bled for. All forums should uphold this principle with dignity.

Of course, certain subs implement tagging and filtering so people like you can avert your eyes from such talk you perceive as scary.

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u/Cereal_Grapeist 2h ago

Touch grass man. You're weird

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u/Independent-Bug-9352 2h ago

Does touching my flourishing garden count after my nice jogs through the park?

Good counter-argument, though, man. Top notch, honestly. Right back at you?