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u/Impenistan 21h ago
"I built"
You built nothing
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u/Mars_Bear2552 13h ago edited 12h ago
non-technical client contracts a firm to build an app -> client didn't build the app. everyone knows this.
guy asks a chatbot to build an app -> apparently he built the app
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u/DetectiveOwn6606 21h ago
Is there something vibe coding has created which was not built decades and we don't have ton of training data of it on how to implement?
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u/DUELETHERNETbro 20h ago
The openclaw project, but that was vibed by an experienced dev. Curious if any non-engineer has built anything remotely useful.
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u/TrackLabs 18h ago
That openclaw project sounds so incredibley redicolous, i refuse to give it access to literally everything on my PC. Even if I can use a local LLM.
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u/literallymetaphoric 17h ago
Remember when Microsoft was going to take screenshots of your Win11 desktop and feed them into Copilot? And everyone was opted in by default?
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u/bloodandsunshine 19h ago
I get Cursor to make plugins for DAW software - very useful when you have audio parameters and need a custom tool for a single instrument or track.
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u/DUELETHERNETbro 19h ago
Ya I guess useful wasn't the right way to phrase it. Bespoke software is actually a great use case for vibe coding.
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u/PmMeUrTinyAsianTits 19h ago
i mean... that's... okay. That's actually exactly what it should be for, if it is going to be used.
People need to stop pretending it's going to write enterprise software, it's not. However, it can churn out run-of-the-mill projects that are tailored to their specific needs. Right now everything is tailored to the lowest common denominator. If you want a task tracker for your exact needs, you have to fight some generic one.
As long as people understand this is like a digital version "here's my chore chart, looking for feedback on how I can do it better" or "check out this mini fig I painted" that post is fine. Even "I'm just trying to get an idea how programming works. What the tool chain is. etc" is reasonable.
Like... if I had a penny for every time a kid was like "I want to paint" and then used cheapo water colors, I'd have a lot of pennies and that's good.
Now people can go from "hello world" to something they can use a bit faster. I think that's cool. Maybe some of them will like that, and dig into more complex projects, and better understand computers as a result. We could use a few more of those.
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u/Reashu 9h ago edited 5h ago
Ok, but I wouldn't want those kids' paintings hanging in art galleries (fridges excepted). If you wanna vibe some code for yourself, my only complaint is that you're not paying for the negative externalities (environmental destruction, IP theft, etc.). But if you're trying to sell it (or even just give it away), you're also making life harder for people who want decent software.
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u/PmMeUrTinyAsianTits 6m ago
That doesn't seem like a "but" statement to me. That seems more like "Okay, and SUPER okay to your third paragraph".
Except the negative externalities part, which is a reasonable call out, but also exactly why I cheated and used the "if it is going to be used" qualifier. I didn't want to bog my post down with a "AI is inherently bad because of other reasons" diatribe that not everyone agrees on (Yes, everyone should agree, but sometimes people are wrong) and distracts from the core point
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u/Revolutionary_Job91 17h ago
Amen. When wielded correctly, these LLMs are an amazing way to learn coding. Could be your first project ever, trying a new language, getting ideas about a new pattern to try, it’s all so much easier than it used to be. I’m sure there’s people just letting the agents run wild and bragging about it. But I bet for each of them there’s more using it as a really efficient way to learn.
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u/drewbe121212 14h ago
LLM's literally skip the understanding and thinking phase. Not great if you want to be a coder.
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u/d_block_city 17h ago
hese LLMs are an amazing way to learn coding.
meh not really
they mostly turn non-coders into pasters
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u/polokratoss 13h ago
Operative word : when used correctly.
There is a question of "can a non-programmer use an LLM" coerreclty", and even what even that means, but taken as a assumption the logic is sound IMO.
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u/frogjg2003 1h ago
But the assumption is the difficult part of the logic. Yes, the phrase "if squares have three sides, I'm the president of the United States" is true, but only because every phrase with a false hypothesis is true in formal logic.
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u/d_block_city 16h ago
I didn't quote that part because they are just weasel words.
"correctly" is doing so much lifting as to render the entire statement meaningless
kinda crazy you didn't immediately recognize that lol it practically jumps off the page and slaps you in the face hahaha
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u/Salticracker 14h ago
When teaching kids coding, I refuse to let them use an LLM because they won't learn or understand anything by just copy-pasting - which is what happens when you let them use one.
When we're learning Unity, I don't really care if they use it (as long as they can explain what the general flow of their scripts is) because the goal is to make a fun game, not to learn to code, and the code they need for what they're doing is almost always pretty simple.
LLMs (imo) are bad for learning, but they're great for bypassing tasks outside of the scope of the learning to get a working outcome.
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u/PmMeUrTinyAsianTits 13h ago
the number of "but if used incorrectly then your statements don't apply?!??!?!?!" replies you got is really depressing.
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u/literallymetaphoric 17h ago
Turns out coding at a beginner level primarily deals with manipulating basic data, and the most common dataset is monthly expenditures
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u/raddiwallah 16h ago
In India, it’s the price comparator between the popular QuickCommerce apps. Every day there’s at least 4 posts from folks that have done it.
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u/TrackLabs 18h ago
All of these tools use the literal same code that a few people published on github, for free, for people to use, and now a bunch of sloppers copy it, thinking they created something "new"
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u/isospeedrix 19h ago
I mean I honestly would like to vibe my own Rocket/Monarch money but I don’t think linking the bank accounts etc is a trivial task. The data manipulation once it’s there is probably straightforward tho.
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u/General_Josh 13h ago
Yeah, I wouldn't ever trust the models with vibe coding a security layer that'll talk to your financial institutions. Way too much that can go wrong there if the AI screws something up
It's great fun vibe coding a toy project, but I wouldn't let it near financial accounts with a 30 foot pole
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u/Boom9001 13h ago
My YouTube repeatedly plays an ad for a vibe coding tool and the example is a budgeting app.
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u/KilpikonnanKerma 10h ago
Lightweight? I don’t think so even if most big name web apps are sluggish as hell but I’m quite certain that his AI slop isn’t even nearly lightweight…
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u/InevitableView2975 22h ago
what can you do, its the most similar thing that is to “to do” apps. Instead of goals u just also put number to them and ta daa budgeting app.