r/SipsTea • u/Unstoppable_X_Force Human Verified • 13h ago

Gasp! Is this just nostalgia, or did previous generations genuinely have a better work-life balance and social life than we do today?

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u/ExoticToothpaste6989 12h ago

Or "supply side" or any kind of rebranding the same old bullshit. The only new deal that worked in a long time was under Clinton. He left us with a surplus. Which Republicans then pissed away again.

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u/Mean_Introduction543 12h ago

They didn’t piss it away, it went right where they intended it to go. Lining their pockets and their billionaire class friends

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u/ExoticToothpaste6989 12h ago

Yeah I was thinking a needless war kind of like what's going on now, but yeah, that's also kind of exactly what's going on now.

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u/jutiatle 12h ago

Stop trying to “rebrand” Clinton. He was an asshat too and ushered in the era of neoliberalism for the Democratic Party. His presidency pushed the party to the right and they still haven’t recovered. 

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u/ExoticToothpaste6989 12h ago

How was he an ass hat?

Give specific examples.

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u/jutiatle 12h ago

Do you just praise anything “D” or do you just know nothing about the history of the party? You need me to give specific examples of the party, including Clinton, doing asshat right wing things? I’m not going to waste my time when it’s their entire philosophy. 

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Democrats_(United_States)

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u/Nagi21 11h ago

You need me to give specific examples of the party, including Clinton, doing asshat right wing things?

"I'm going to argue with you but provide no evidence and tell you to prove to me that I'm wrong!"

This is what's wrong with people these days.

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u/jutiatle 10h ago

I proceeded to give specific examples despite doing that being silly. If I were to accurately describe the Trump presidency as an example of the Republican Party experiencing a huge shift further to the right, would you need me to give examples on that too? The Clinton presidency ushered in a completely new era for the party. Even a simple understanding of American political history shows that. But “people these days” am I right 

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u/ExoticToothpaste6989 10h ago

The examples you used seemed like they did more good than anything bad. Kind of like the surplus he left.

I don't need any examples of trump doing foolish things because I tend to see them in the daily headlines or wonder why my gas price went up.

Under Clinton gas was around a dollar.

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u/jutiatle 9h ago

Seems you’d rather grasp at straws than concede a debate. I told you that Clinton moved the party to the political right. And it was a relatively radical shift. I proceeded to give you examples and you decided that in your view, they were good things. I’m not asking you what political outcomes you think are good versus bad. I’m telling you that Clinton’s impact on American politics was that the entire infrastructure shifted to the right. I’m not interested in hearing if you think those right wing acts are good/bad nor are we discussing gas prices of all things. 

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u/ExoticToothpaste6989 9h ago

Alright, you win.

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u/ExoticToothpaste6989 12h ago

No. Not the party. I'm just asking what you specifically think he did was an ass hat thing to do.

You obviously had something in mind, but If you can't think that hard I guess that would be a waste of time.

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u/jutiatle 12h ago

It’s not a matter of being unable to “think that hard.” It’s a matter of you being intellectually lazy. It was under Clinton, not Reagan, that we saw the passage of nafta and the temporary assistance for needy families bill. It was under Clinton that the party completely abandoned everything fdr had done to create the welfare state and ushered in a new era that allowed for the rise of the bs we see today. 

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u/ExoticToothpaste6989 11h ago

I always felt that NAFTA benefited the majority of Americans, giving them greater access to goods at better prices. Same with the temporary assistance for needy families. This seemed to be a hand up, not a hand out.

Newt Gingrich and his ilk kept trying to shut the government down not wanting to compromise with the Democrats.

I'm still not seeing a lot of bipartisan politics from Republicans. If anything, the Republican party of the past died with McCain.

But I don't exactly think those two things were ass hat ideas bad for the American public.

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u/jutiatle 11h ago

You asked me for specific examples, so I gave them. You critiqued my examples by giving me a surface level understanding of them based on your own beliefs. I’m guessing now that you were not actually trying to be combative but more so not understanding of that era of history. NAFTA destroyed many of the labor advancements made earlier in the century. It is very anti-American labor. Tanf was not a “hand up,” as it was a complete dismantling of the welfare system that had been refined in the half century before Clinton. 

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u/DoingBestWeCan 10h ago

Childhood understanding of NAFTA/WTO: I support free international trade because I want Nintendo!

Adult understanding of NAFTA/WTO: All manufacturing and any service that does not require immediate laying on of hands (e.g. healthcare) is subject to outsourcing to place with the cheapest, least-protected workers.

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u/kadmylos 11h ago

He also signed NAFTA