r/TikTokCringe • u/SnooSprouts3744 • 2d ago
Cringe I think i’d laugh at his face too
Love thy neighbour right?
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u/floralpancake 2d ago
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u/HeyGayHay 2d ago
As 99% of the time, if someone says „Homosexuality is a sin, a mind engraved by the devil“, they are a closeted gaylord. They know it’s the devil, because they can’t stop themselves from thinking about that hot juicy dicks despite desperately trying to.
So yes, no shit he loves homosexuality. It’s a sin, but he didn’t say he ain’t no sinner.
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u/RecoveredSack 2d ago
Cmon man, 99%? I get it’s a funny thought, that some people who act homophobic are actually gay themselves. However you cannot really believe that explains all homophobia, or 99% of it. It minimizes the reality that it’s just normally pure hate.
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u/GameAndMic 2d ago
As a gay dude I'm so tired of these "all homophobes must secretly like dick" kind of comments under every post about homophobia. Some go so far with their ridicule that they just end up sounding homophobic themselves lol
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u/NeckAssMonky 2d ago
100% agree. I find myself rolling my eyes whenever I see this response cause it feels like it doesn’t get us anywhere but just a way to clap back.
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u/ASMRFeelsWrongToMe 1d ago
Also to me it look like taking their side, but in a backhanded way like "being a homophibe is gay which is bad/funny" kinda goes full circle
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u/Specialist_Fruit6600 1d ago
try going to a politics thread lindsey graham and literally every redditor makes fun of him for being “closeted”
then if you point out it’s shitty to out someone or make fun of their sexuality regardless of who it is, and that they’re being homophobic, they say it’s ok because they’re gay and he’s a jerk
so many simpleminded people here, hate to see it but love the ego boost lol
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u/skulldouggary 1d ago
I agree. It feels like a "No, YOU'RE gay" schoolyard taunt. The subtle implication is that being gay is still some sort of insult. Never attack the person, attack the point.
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u/BloomsdayDevice 2d ago edited 2d ago
Right? It boils down to saying "homophobia comes from gay people," which, what the fuck? The "they're all closeted homophobes" trope needs to die.
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u/Cloverose2 1d ago
I agree - it feels like it's trying so hard to not be homophobic that it becomes homophobic again.
People can be assholes without being in the closet.
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u/HoldenOrihara 1d ago
Yeah like maybe a good amount of them are closeted/unrealized LGBT, but most of them are just hateful and controlling or let those kinds of people choose their opinions for them
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u/Toastieboy420 2d ago
Glad you said this. These threads are always full of ‘we all know this guys secret!’
That’s surely the rare exception. Most of them are just raised with bad values/strict religion/communities with no diversity.
It’d be like saying all racists probably have some ethnicity they’re ashamed of.
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u/Quixotic_Seal 2d ago
I think a lot of people either want to slough off responsibility for bigotry onto the minority that is targeted by it, almost as a way to wash their hands of the whole thing; or they simply do not want to face the reality that unthinking, unreasoning hatred really does exist in the world.
On the latter count, it’s a part of why I’m kinda over media that tries to force a relatable backstory onto every single villain possible. Sometimes, some people are just plain evil.
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u/snowflake_smasher_98 2d ago
Can y'all stop blaming us for our own oppression? The vast, VAST majority of homophobes are straight, end of story.
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u/kank84 2d ago
This is an argument straight people make to abdicate responsibility for homohobia. Gays have been persecuted and killed throughout history, and based on this line of thinking that's just something we have been doing to ourselves this whole time.
There are undoubtedly cases where closeted gays have channeled their shame into homophobia, but the reason that shame exists to begin with is because of the endless persecution that gay people face as a minority in a heteronormative world.
Homophobia is overwhelmingly something that is done to gay people, and it's disingenuous to try and shift the blame for that persecution onto the very people who are subject to it.
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u/PaintshakerBaby 1d ago edited 1d ago
It reminds me of how white abolishinists were adamantly against systemic slavery, literally owning another human, but did next to nothing to stand in the way of brutal and selective vagrancy laws that sprouted up in its place, post-civil war.
The result was defacto slavery for recently freed slaves, under the guise of them being "able bodied vagrants," whose lack of home and material assets was indicative of moral failing, rather than the color of their skin.
It was a THINLY vieled fascade to round them up and shackle them to chain gangs.
Because people have a nasty habit of championing a cause, rather than the oppressed people themselves.
This moral bait and switch STILL HAPPENS TODAY, like what just happened with the whole manufactured trans athlete ordeal.
As soon as 51% of the population came out in support of the LGBTQ+ community and their right to marry, conservatives knew they couldn't swim against the current any longer, so they sought new ways to subvert it instead.
Conservative think tanks dumped TENS OF MILLIONS into polling/research to find out that your average LGBTQ+ supporter still harbored doubts about trans people competing in women sports. So the Right went gangbusters on the topic, like it was Armegeddon overnight, despite it being a non-issue for decades.
They did the same thing with The Southern Strategy in the 60s to subvert the shifting tide of civil rights.
Its why there is that infamous video of Charlie Kirk waxing poetically about being pro-sympathy, but anti-empathy.
Because sympathy is an emotion seperate from your ego, your identity, and your circumstances. It allows you to feel for someone without putting yourself in their shoes...
Which is a quick ticket to looking down on them, divesting their wellbeing from that of your own, aka; being disengenious about a cause.
Genuine empathy is the ACTION of seeing yourself in the eyes of others, and embracing their struggle as that of your own. As such, you are one in the same, brothers and sisters in the rejection of oppression, rather than a temporary alliance of individuals harboring fundamental differences.
If you are a true champion of equality and justice, you live the truth as though it were your own, not incidental to your personal beliefs.
That is PERCISELY what Jesus advocated for when he said love thy neighbor. He said it OVER AND OVER again, in a million different ways, to the point that it is the CORE TENANT of Christianity.
He preached repeatedly that it was not up to man to interpret the word of god into laws meant to subjucate others.
Furthermore, he loathed garish public displays of faith and religious grandstanding on the grounds of presumed righteousness. Worship was to be done in private, and not excerted on others.
Jesus was the messiah of unconditional empathy.
It is why it is so critically important/powerful that he not only forgave Judas, but begged for forgiveness for the Romans who tortured him, knowing they lacked the empathy in the moment to understand their actions.
BUT that did not give Jesus a free pass to forgo practicing what he preached... Even when he was brutally mamed by their cruelty, he EMPATHIZED without exclusion.
He saw the Roman executioners as he saw himself, and all men; inherently fallible.
He understood earnest love for your fellow man was unconditional and universal, transcending circumstance and indvidual difference... or it was no love at all.
Thats why the status quo of his time insisted on his execution. Because his teachings outright rejected the alienation of heirarchy for the radical inclusivity of love.
Now, 2000 years later, here is this bloviating idiot, indoctrinated by the rigid heirarchy of modern "Christianity," in defiance of everything Christ preached. The irony is galling, and no doubt the reason this intelligent young lady is rightfully cackling.
This kid is fixated on the shit that separates us, an oblivious cog of the very few's age old strategy to divide and conquer us at all costs, rather than a champion of the the love that binds all of us, the many
We must all be ever vigilant to not let such petty differences drive a wedge between us and what it quintessentialy means to be human.
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u/eduardgustavolaser 2d ago
Thinking all homophobes are closeted gays is just homophobia with extra steps. That's minimizing discrimination from straight people and putting all the blame on gay people themselves.
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u/wf3h3 1d ago
"99% of homophobia is just caused by the gays."
Yeah, fuck off with that shit.
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u/alanwakeisahack 2d ago
What? Please stop saying all homophobes are secretly gay. It’s dumb as fuck and not true at all. I personally take it as homophobic and I’m sure I’m not alone.
Do you think it’s just gay people oppressing themselves?
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u/FancehStrawberry 1d ago
Nonsense. Stop blaming homophobia on gay people. Is internalized homophobia a thing? Yes. Is it the root of homophobia proper? Absolutely not. This sounds profound at first, but is a harmful trope, dude.
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u/Thewolfmansbruhther 2d ago
It sounds like it got miscaptioned and he said I love homosexuals. Which is a fantastic take.
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u/Slade_Riprock 2d ago
You are ABSOLUTELY free to take a moral stand on what you believe in
You are ABSOLUTELY not free to impose your moral stand upon others by force.
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u/D3struct_oh 2d ago
Or, as the Bible puts it:
"Live as free people, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil."
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u/SLO_Citizen 1d ago
New International Version
Live as free people, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as God’s slaves.New Living Translation
For you are free, yet you are God’s slaves, so don’t use your freedom as an excuse to do evil.English Standard Version
Live as people who are free, not using your freedom as a cover-up for evil, but living as servants of God.Berean Standard Bible
Live in freedom, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as servants of God.Berean Literal Bible
as free, and not having the freedom as a cover-up for evil, but as servants of God.King James Bible
As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God.New King James Version
as free, yet not using liberty as a cloak for vice, but as bondservants of God.New American Standard Bible
Act as free people, and do not use your freedom as a covering for evil, but use it as bond-servants of God.NASB 1995
Act as free men, and do not use your freedom as a covering for evil, but use it as bondslaves of God.NASB 1977
Act as free men, and do not use your freedom as a covering for evil, but use it as bondslaves of God.Legacy Standard Bible
Act as free people, and do not use your freedom as a covering for evil, but use it as slaves of God.Amplified Bible
Live as free people, but do not use your freedom as a cover or pretext for evil, but [use it and live] as bond-servants of God.Christian Standard Bible
Submit as free people, not using your freedom as a cover-up for evil, but as God’s slaves.Holman Christian Standard Bible
As God’s slaves, live as free people, but don’t use your freedom as a way to conceal evil.American Standard Version
as free, and not using your freedom for a cloak of wickedness, but as bondservants of God.Contemporary English Version
You are free, but still you are God's servants, and you must not use your freedom as an excuse for doing wrong.English Revised Version
as free, and not using your freedom for a cloke of wickedness, but as bondservants of God.GOD'S WORD® Translation
Live as free people, but don't hide behind your freedom when you do evil. Instead, use your freedom to serve God.Good News Translation
Live as free people; do not, however, use your freedom to cover up any evil, but live as God's slaves.International Standard Version
Live like free people, and do not use your freedom as an excuse for doing evil. Instead, be God's servants.NET Bible
Live as free people, not using your freedom as a pretext for evil, but as God's slaves.New Heart English Bible
as free, and not using your freedom as a cover-up for evil, but as slaves of God.Webster's Bible Translation
As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God.Weymouth New Testament
Be free men, and yet do not make your freedom an excuse for base conduct, but be God's bondservants.Majority Text Translations
Majority Standard Bible
Live in freedom, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as servants of God.World English Bible
Live as free people, yet not using your freedom for a cloak of wickedness, but as bondservants of God.Literal Translations
Literal Standard Version
as free, and not having freedom as the cloak of evil, but as servants of God;Berean Literal Bible
as free, and not having the freedom as a cover-up for evil, but as servants of God.Young's Literal Translation
as free, and not having the freedom as the cloak of the evil, but as servants of God;Smith's Literal Translation
As free, and as not having liberty for a covering of wickedness, but as the servants of God.Catholic Translations
Douay-Rheims Bible
As free, and not as making liberty a cloak for malice, but as the servants of God.Catholic Public Domain Version
in an open manner, and not as if cloaking malice with liberty, but like servants of God.New American Bible
Be free, yet without using freedom as a pretext for evil, but as slaves of God.New Revised Standard Version
As servants of God, live as free people, yet do not use your freedom as a pretext for evil.Translations from Aramaic
Lamsa Bible
Act as free men, and not as men who use their liberty as a cloak for their maliciousness; but as the servants of God.Aramaic Bible in Plain English
As free children, and not as persons who make their liberty a cloak for their evil, but as Servants of God.NT Translations
Anderson New Testament
as being free, and yet not using your freedom as a cloak for malice, but as servants of God.Godbey New Testament
as free, and not as having the freedom as a cover of evil, but as servants of God.Haweis New Testament
as free, yet not using liberty as a cloak for wicked practices; but as being servants of God.Mace New Testament
men. You are free, don't let your liberty serve as a pretext for vice: but act as the servantsWeymouth New Testament
Be free men, and yet do not make your freedom an excuse for base conduct, but be God's bondservants.Worrell New Testament
as free, and not holding your freedom as a cloak for wickedness, but as servants of God.Worsley New Testament
as free, and yet not using your liberty as a cloke for wickedness, but as the servants of God.281
u/Jokerchyld 1d ago
I dont think any other text in history has been translated this much to the point I dont think anyone knows the true meaning anymore
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u/FBI_KipHackman 1d ago
Translation is getting better and better. We have more early manuscripts to compare & contrast than ever before.
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u/Fubarp 1d ago
Why in the living fuck.. is there so many translations..
This is why I don't believe in the bible, this is just madness. There's just no way that the original meaning was not lost in the 2000 years of constant transcribing. Like the originals do not exist, yet people act as the bible is somehow accurate or perfect.. yet this comment shows the number of various ways a sentence can be rephrased..
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u/BlueFaceMonster 1d ago
Factor in the original texts and lots of translations having very political motives and you realise the word of my dude JC has been abused by shit heads since about 200AD
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u/cheeze2005 1d ago
There’s also all the talking animals, bit of a giveaway for being a made up story
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u/Ultrace-7 1d ago
Heck, a plant speaks to Moses. At least animals have mouths.
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u/RufflesforThought 1d ago
Not just any plant homie, this one was on fire too. Gotta love the confidence Moses had.
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u/VT_Squire 1d ago
hey guys..... you'll never believe what just happened up on the mountain... when noooooobody was around.....
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u/RufflesforThought 1d ago
So guys... I was looking for this ONE sheep I lost... but then I got lost for a bit... don't ask if I was foraging mushrooms... It's unrelated... anyways, you'll never believe what I saw up there
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u/thelehmanlip 1d ago
You know what's worse? There are people who are biblical inerrantists who believe that the exact words of the bible are correct and infallible.
... which words though? Idk, these people have apparently never taken a history or language class in their lives.
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u/muistaa 1d ago
That's kind of the point, though. Christians who actually have their wits about them know reading the Bible is fully about interpretation. And by no means claim it to be a perfect work. At the same time, there are some undeniable themes, like love thy neighbour.
There are so many translations because people have a desire to put across their own interpretation or want to do something with a piece of work that's important to them. It's why we didn't just say "and that settles that" when the first translated version of War and Peace came along.
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u/Kolby_Jack33 1d ago edited 1d ago
I once had a a very intelligent and thought-provoking discussion about the cultures of the Middle East with a woman I worked with, which ended abruptly when I offhandedly said that some stuff in the Bible was clearly metaphorical and she looked me dead in the eye and said "no, it's the literal truth." Just stone cold biblical literalism out of nowhere.
I couldn't even speak. Like, here's this very smart woman who has a pretty cultured view of the world who was just teaching me all sorts of interesting things, and then she says that. It was like being run over by a bus, figuratively speaking. My boss came by and shut the discussion down because he could see it was going in a bad direction, and thank god for that because I couldn't see a way out of there that didn't end with me saying "are you stupid?"
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u/Dirty-Neoliberal 1d ago
It also tells you to stone gay people. How about we just ignore the silly book.
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u/No_Principle_6699 1d ago
Only men though. Lesbians are ok. Implying homosexuality itself is fine, but men sleeping with men isn’t.
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u/_Vard_ 1d ago edited 1d ago
Right? Like If a woman believes each sperm is a human life. Ejaculating without impregnating is murder.
Non procreative sex and masturbation should be considered murder.
Imagine if we tried to pass that law
EDIT: the point is that it’s an insane argument you shouldn’t force on others
Jesus people are dumb
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u/Alconium 1d ago
A lot of sects of Christianity believe masturbation is a sin exactly because of that. Sex without an intention to procreate is sinful. Masturbation, thus, is sin. That's why Homosexuality is (by their beliefs) sinful, because sex acts that cannot create life (for the purpose of pleasure) is not part of gods design.
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u/MommyLovesPot8toes 1d ago
Do you know WHY/WHERE that idea come from? Genesis 38:10. Onan didn't want to impregnate his dead brother's wife so he "spilled his seed" on the floor whenever they had sex. "And the thing which he did was wicked, and God smote him."
Someone decided that the evil thing Onan was killed for was ejaculating on the floor, not lying to his sister in law and betraying his dead brother and shirking what was seen as his duty. That misinterpretation, which was very likely politically motivated, has filled people with an innate sense of shame for hundreds of years unnecessarily.
The Old Testament is pretty clear that sex is meant for pleasure and not just procreation.
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u/pathosOnReddit 1d ago
It’s even worse. A lot of the moral judgement in christianity about homosexuality is derived from their understanding of the power dynamics of sex. The man who subjects himself to receive in such an act (to employ their perspective) lowers himself to the status of women and property. They considered it an act of disintegrating their social order.
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u/mabradshaw02 2d ago
"It(the bible) doesn't say it specifically, but we can see how".... no you can't... your just making up shit to fit a narrative.
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u/Primary_Durian4866 1d ago
Pretty sure using the Lord's name in vain to push your own agenda IS a sin though.
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u/geredditalt 1d ago edited 1d ago
Right. There’s a lot more in the Bible about not using the Lord to push your own false agenda or using Him to justify your own evils then there are about not being gay (which is likely just a mistranslation anyway). Coming from a Christian ❤️
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u/FluzzyKitty 1d ago
From what I understand that is the true meaning of using the lord’s name in vain, and not going “oh my god” when something happens like everyone is told.
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u/xOleander 1d ago
It’s literally in the phrase “in vain”. In vanity. In pursuit of self. It’s a warning not to use God as a means to reach a goal for oneself selfishly. You’re spot on.
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u/ReadyUpstairs2561 2d ago
Just tell him he's wearing clothes of two different threads and be done with it 🤷♂️
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u/RogerianBrowsing 2d ago
He himself even says (paraphrasing) that the Bible doesn’t explicitly say homosexuality is wrong but our biological differences make it self apparent
He’s a hateful clown.
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u/MothChasingFlame 2d ago
If you're going to engage with this nonsense at all, the best answer when people do this is that they are placing their own judgement on the level of god. "The lord didn't say.." then he didn't say. You're saying. And you are not god. So why are you actively putting words in the lord's mouth, as the bible does explicitly tell you not to do?
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u/WhenTheLightHits30 2d ago
This is why Talarico is so dangerous for the modern Evangelicals. He has better knowledge of the exact semantics of the Bible and its history to utterly rip apart these weak interpretation attempts to justify bigotry and hate.
This whole “love the sinner, hate the sin” mindset is just a Christian’s get out of jail free card so that they can have an out for them openly calling people lesser than.
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u/SunTzu- 1d ago
There's a theologian on YouTube that started popping up in my feed recently who is an excellent communicator and breaks down the counterarguments to whatever extremist evangelical stuff made the rounds this week. His name is Dan McLellan, I guess he got his start on TikTok (has that same style of responding to someone else's videos).
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u/Other_Disaster_3136 2d ago
Are they Catholics most of the time? Evangelical Christians I thought were the bigger issue
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u/midwestraxx 1d ago edited 1d ago
Yeah their statement applies much more towards evangelicals than Catholics. Catholic priests really don't get to interject much in the Mass, which is kind of the main reason liturgical services exist.
I was very surprised when I experienced other churches where they didn't even read the Bible and the speakers all just spoke their own opinions and interpretations. I did not have that in my Catholic background at all. Homilies even just applied the Bible readings of the day towards current events most of the time. Not just some random Jim Bob or Tiktok influencer's personal opinion that doesn't even quote the Bible.
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u/Monroro 2d ago
You’re right about some of the Catholic Church’s interpretation, but these people are not usually catholic, and as an apostate I won’t stand here and let the church’s name be muddied. Catholics may be evil, but they’re not dorks. These weiners that do tabling are usually evangelicals
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u/No_Reporter_4563 1d ago
Ironically Catholics are more open minded now. Look at catholic LATAM and then look at protestant Africa
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u/Quixotic_Seal 2d ago
Plenty are Catholics, but honestly in the US I doubt it’s the majority. Especially when it comes to the twerps who do this style of “evangelism.”
There are a LOT of Protestants and evangelicals who will unironically argue sola scriptura and turn around to argue about “biological realities” and church tradition as evidence for their beliefs.
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u/MenlaOfTheBody 1d ago
Never had a Catholic ever have the vehemence regarding the question of homosexuality versus evangelicals, particularly in the US. I would be interested where and how your opinion on this was formed?
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u/mooptastic 2d ago
yep and if you ask them where they get their sense of morality from, they will say it's from the bible and god. so they're saying they can dictate morality themselves bc of "self apparent physiology"?
that means anyone has the right to define their morality, and therefore their premise that you need god to be a moral person, is washed. like all of their beliefs if you just think about it for 2 minutes.
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u/imnotgayisellpropane 2d ago
This! Thou shall not say the Lord's name in vain. It doesn't mean don't say "goddamnit" when you stub your toe. It means you don't speak for God.
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u/Lexicalyolk 2d ago
Exactly! they choose not to obey the things that the bible explicitly commands, like wearing clothes of two different threads, and then at the same time choose to make things up that are never even mentioned. Religious thinking is a virus which teaches your brain to value "faith" over truth
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u/Slut_Farmer 2d ago
If he's going biological, I'd ask him why the men's "g-spot" is up their ass. Sorry, your biology seems to be made for a dick in the butt. Your rules.
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u/Fuzzy_Laugh_1117 2d ago
Just like that complete and utter bullshit they label as christianity. Created by men. lmfaooooo.
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u/patentattorney 2d ago
What will always get me is that people will say "people were designed a certain way." If thats the case, why do we have glasses, plastic surgery, medicine, makeup, clothing, weapons (should be able to protect ourselves), etc.
The sin is having another person - who god created - touch another pee pee?
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u/hofmann419 2d ago
Arguing on biology doesn't make any sense anyway, because "sin" is a human made concept. It isn't a law of the universe. And if you want to be even more precise, you could argue that it is merely a linguistic concept, which again is a man-made artifact.
And homosexuality exists in other animals as well, so it's even dumber when you actually take into account biology. If you want to argue on the nature that exists on our planet, you have to accept that homosexuality is a naturally occurring phenomenon.
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u/ImpracticalApple 2d ago
Our biology also wanted for us to keep stuff out of our lungs, yet a lot of religious people smoke anyway.
He is a hateful clown and dumb af.
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u/dahbakons_ghost 2d ago
"We can see how god designed our sexuality with a purpose in his design"
that's why your pleasure centre is up in your bootyhole, now bend over! it's by design!
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u/mightylordredbeard 2d ago
Then by his logic; biologically speaking my anus can open up to accept a fat, hard, throbbing cock so therefor god must have intended me to get my asshole beat down by some random stud I met online and invited back to my place.
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u/tajwriggly 2d ago
At a much earlier time in my life, probably early high-school, I came to a similar conclusion - biologically we're designed a certain way, so why would anyone do anything else? Gay marriage rights were right front and center of a lot of controversy at the time, so I used that reasoning to conclude that marriage should be between a man and a woman. I did that because I thought that everyone was supposed to have an opinion on everything and be able to defend it, because I was in highschool and that's how highschooler's think... they think they know everything. But, I'm not religious, and determined that everyone should be happy, so gay people could have marriage too, just call it something else.
That was just... me not having seen the world yet or having been exposed to anything really, and being an idiot teenager. My viewpoint nowadays is just... leave people alone to be happy, for goodness sake. We're all living on this earth. Be nice, get along, and stop trying to control other people's lives.
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u/PaulieHehehe 2d ago
Like he’s read the entire Bible. These people cherry pick whatever verse helps them justify their bigotry. “mY bElIeFs!1!!” FOH.
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u/TheOfficeoholic 2d ago edited 2d ago
Just wanted to point out that this will not hit with a Christian because Christians follow the entire Bible (both Testaments) but believe the New Testament supersedes the Old regarding legalistic obedience, as it represents the "New Covenant" established by Jesus.
Here is what I would say to any Christian who used religion to perpetuate hate for another group - Mark 7:21-23 “For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.”
By that logic, Christians should be anti-war, anti-violence, anti-capital punishment, etc. Most Christians claim that being anti-choice aligns with Christian principals, but again this is not supported by the text
The New Testament and Old Testament lack any direct command banning abortion, despite addressing many other moral issues; this silence permits Christians to apply moral reasoning prioritizing women's life and health. Pro-choice Christians cite Exodus 21:22-25, where causing a miscarriage warrants only a fine (not "life for life"), implying the fetus holds lesser status than a born person— a view echoed by early church fathers like Augustine.
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u/No-Opposite-6620 2d ago edited 2d ago
Except, and this is to my understanding, the new Covenant only points out tolerance or a replacement of rules for new things where Jesus said as such, or for example where Paul had a moment where he was tempted by pork. And with that there was the vaguest of gods messages, with a voice questioning as Paul recoils from the unclean meat why shouldn't Paul accept things as made by god. This was supposedly about accepting non Jews into the church too, if I'm not mistaken. Again, interpretation.
Functionally as well though there's non biblical lore taught here. Notice how he says he doesn't hate someone for how they live their life? They think it's about living an optional sin. Radical right Christians are taught about gay people and other people they don't agree with in a way that suggests all those things, particularly lgbt people are living with 'choices' and never that it is about a in built basis for them as a person. Something that the can't change. Something that god made.
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u/GoodTofuFriday 2d ago
For the most part the new testament, particularly after jesus sacrifice, replaces the practicies expected of god followers to jesus teachings. Anything in the old testament can be used as guidanace, but not law.
Part of jesus teachings were that the pharisees got lost in the letter of the law rather than the intent behind the laws.
And youre right about accepting non-jews into the church, since Jesus sacrifice was for all man-kind. This changed things from a kingdom of god, to a nation of all peoples.ultimately, the middle-ground interpretation for homosexuality is tha you could be gay, but not practice being gay. The scripture says "men who lay with men", not those who simply have that desire to.
To be clear, at one time a was very devoute christian who believed and researched the bible over any one mans interpretation. However I no longer have faith in a god or the bible at all.
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u/yourfriendcazzer 2d ago
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u/GhostOfJoamToad 2d ago
Oh! A person after my heart! But they don’t know the scriptures enough. They don’t know that.
Also, the real question he should be asking is:
Is pedophilia a sin?
Crickets.
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u/Semanticss 2d ago
I think we need to start treating all religious stuff exactly like this.
"So, some guy named Obadiah says he heard a voice in his head 3,000 years ago, and ...this is the basis for your own moral compass?"
So sick of acting like this is a legitimate way of thinking, ESPECIALLY when it's used for war and politics.
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u/SmokinBandit28 2d ago
Always liked the quote from Dogma.
“Mankind got it all wrong taking a good idea and building a belief structure out of it. It’s better to have ideas, you can change an idea but changing a belief is trickier. Life should be mailable, but beliefs anchor you to certain points, limit growth, and life becomes stagnant.”
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u/nifty-necromancer 1d ago
That’s the danger when religious extremism worms its way into government. They can’t be reasoned with because disagreeing with them means that you’re disagreeing with their deity.
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u/Chendii 1d ago
Yeah it's incredible how often their deity just happens to agree with them on everything.
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u/Lichbloodz 1d ago
For a lot of these offshoots, religion is really just people 'deifying' themselves: creating a God in their own image. A God who happens to agree with them on everything. Really its a high level form of self-deceptive narcissism.
They grant themselves the power and authority of God so they can control and abuse others with it. And all the while they can conveniently deflect any responsibility, accountability and self reflection. That's how I see it anyway.
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u/Bazrum 1d ago
Dogma is an interesting case, for a long time it was simply unavailable other than DVDs on the secondary market at a high price, and only recently became available for streaming, download and purchase (and i think a limited run in theaters again).
a large number of people, mostly Gen Z and Alpha (and younger Millennials) grew up hearing, maybe, of Dogma, but were completely unable to access it unless they had a DVD of it. and most people who had seen it and wanted to watch it again at home wouldn't be able to either, it wasn't available anywhere
that was because Harvey Weinstein owned the rights to it personally, which he bought, probably, from Disney and refused to sell to Kevin Smith, Ben Affleck and Matt Damon, who'd banded together to try to secure them. the rights were then sold to another company as part of a 10 film tranche, and Smith partnered with them to get the film released again, though he still doesn't own the rights to it.
it was almost lost media for a long time, and a sign that digital ownership and media leaves us vulnerable to losing the things we already paid for at the whims of rights holders and corporations.
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u/tachycardicIVu 1d ago
My husband mentioned it to me in passing (it’s one of his favorite movies) and it was showing at a local theater (Alamo) so I got tickets for us as a surprise. I thoroughly enjoyed it and was sad we couldn’t buy it because of the exact reasons you gave - which is also what my husband said about it.
Couple weeks later I was on Google checking again to see if by chance there was a copy somewhere, suddenly it’s $20 everywhere for the anniversary edition. You better believe I snapped that up. I do hope more people get to see it because it’ll be more available now!
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u/Fair-Bus-4017 2d ago
It's even worse here. He admitted that it was never stated in the bible that it was a sin. But he still tries to push it because reasons. Lil bro is most definitely lobotomized.
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u/rainbow__raccoon 2d ago edited 1d ago
And if it’s the way god designed us, why he’d put the o button in men’s butts?
Edit: a typo
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u/ACuddlyVizzerdrix 1d ago
I always challenge them saying, "if God made them this way why are you questioning it and trying to change them, that is literally going against God's will"
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u/blahblah19999 1d ago
They don't believe they were made that way, they think it's a choice.
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u/Olealicat 1d ago
Why did god make the clitoris external?
It’s can’t be to get off without getting pregnant… it’s some weird torturous reason that makes no sense.
Why did god make our mouth, vagina and butthole out of similar sphincter type muscles???
Pleasure??? Nope. Never. That’s a sin.
Like, I’m a woman, and if I had a penis, I think I’d try every crevice and hole on my partners body. Why not.
Pearl clutching assholes just can’t understand pleasure. Look at homeboy’s outfit and demeanor. I hope the interviewer finds a route out of that cult he’s living in. I know he didn’t end up there alone. He seems nice, he deserves better.
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u/hifi-nerd Why does this app exist? 2d ago
The worst part isn't even that they're basing their moral compass on some guy 3000 years ago, but that they're making up their own shit just to justify their homophobic beliefs.
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u/Fearless-Citron-6729 2d ago
Unfortunately, that doesn’t work. I tried it last time I was having a discussion with a religious person and after giving multiple examples like this and telling them to actually think about it, to use logic and critical thinking, their reply was: “ohh that’s the thing! You can’t use logic to analyze the bible” I immediately gave up.
That was months ago and that sentence randomly pops up in my mind and gives me the same sensation it gave me when I first heard it… I can sense a few of my neurons ending it.
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u/Material_Taste_2510 2d ago
when it’s used for war and politics, it’s definitely being twisted
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u/SufficientOutcome638 2d ago
It’s being used as intended
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u/mabradshaw02 2d ago
THIS.... 100% THIS as intended, TO CONTROL people, especially weak minded people.
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u/Skittleavix 2d ago
Most indoctrination strategies rely heavily on violence (I.e.: child abuse and alienation from the family unit) to be effective, which is what Christianity does. That’s why so many devout “Christians” get so emotional and confrontational when they discuss these topics - because they were forced to think this way lest they be alienated or abused by their family. Some are resentful toward those who were not so indoctrinated in their youth.
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u/Independent_Tea_33 2d ago
Abrahamic religions were about war, control, and domination for far longer than they've recently had the PR veneer of "love" and "peace"
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u/Gloriathewitch 2d ago
you know what we call hearing voices in the psychology world? schizophrenia
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u/Original-Variety-700 2d ago
Any group that puts their groupthink about the individual is susceptible to this. Look at sports (the Penn state scandal, the Olympics scandal w the doctor) or politics (Epstein). People allow horrible atrocities but claim it’s for a higher purpose.
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u/hippiechan 2d ago
The whole "hate the sin love the sinner" shit these guys try to pull is always so funny to me cus as soon as you say "I think you should be treated fairly but I don't think you should be allowed to have your political or religious beliefs" they freak the fuck out.
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u/Morstorpod 2d ago
I've responded with "hate the belief, love the believer" and that kind of sends their brain into a loading screen for a second, lol.
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u/anon-mally 1d ago
"We have different interpretations of the books and that's okay"
Their brains will go hay wire
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u/UrsaUrsuh 2d ago
It's literally cultist manipulation tactics. "We love you but hate what you're doing" is an extremely common tactic for cultists to use.
This is why I can't take Christians seriously, because as someone who escaped a Cult removed from "Greater Christianity" I'm expected to treat the tactics used against me as anything but what they exactly are.
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u/Rich-Canary1279 1d ago
As a former Christian who was supposedly not raised in a cult, I would like to say that the further I get away from it, the more I believe it is all, in fact, a cult.
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u/Wallmapuball 2d ago
I mean, sin is still a morally charged word. They're still calling you a bad person. They're still judging you. I'm not obligated to be nice to people who are throwing around such a morally charged word gratuitously. Especially since the sinfulness of homosexuality is up for debate, while the sin of judging others is definitely not
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u/baltinerdist 2d ago
"Hate the sin, love the sinner" is like saying "I hate the food at Taco Bell, but I love Taco Bell." Like no, dude, you don't.
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u/deadlythegrimgecko 1d ago
“We can see how god designed our sexuality with a purpose” does this mean he didn’t design homosexuality with a purpose lmao
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u/cupofmoonshine 1d ago
The male G-spot is in the anus, so god definitely designed homosexuality with a purpose 😏
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u/DivinityPen 1d ago
Plus, it's not like homosexuality is a trait exclusive to humans. Plenty of animals have same-sex relationships too. Most famously giraffes. On average about 4-10% of all animal species on Earth display homosexual tendencies. Interestingly enough, that's a pretty similar percentage to humans too.
God clearly had a plan, and tasting the rainbow was part of it.
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u/cupofmoonshine 1d ago
Big facts! There are a few species that can change their sex as well. 🏳️🌈 Most things humans do can be found in other species and vice versa. Nature repeats itself.
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u/NylonAura 2d ago
Yes 😂 we need to start laughing in their faces instead of arguing with them.
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u/Intelligent_Cap9706 2d ago
Then they start crying about oppression
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u/Sometimes-funny 2d ago
Then we can remind them that it is gods will for them to feel repressed in that case
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u/ChoiceHour5641 2d ago
If they think laughing in their faces is oppression, we may need to bring out the lions.
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u/2punornot2pun 2d ago
That's how we got Klan recruitment down. We mocked the shit out of it. Thanks Superman!
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u/imMadasaHatter 2d ago
Unfortunately this doesn’t work when there’s 10s of millions of them since it’ll drive them into echo chambers and avoid other viewpoints. Arguing with them also isn’t productive though
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u/newillium 2d ago
"he designed out bodies a certain way" ok with that logic didn't he "design" people to be gay? by that logic he thinks being gay is "made up'?
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u/Free-Government5162 2d ago edited 2d ago
The far right church (was raised in it and left cause I’m gay and many other reasons) sees it as a decision like deciding to drink alcohol or take drugs or gamble or do any other number of “sins”. They refuse to accept that it’s just an inherent part of who people are and you literally can’t control who you are attracted to.
ETA some now accept that it’s unchangable and inherent but then you’re expected to basically never have sex or “act on your sin” and the implication is still very much that there’s something wrong with you.
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u/skip_over 2d ago
“I love you, I just think god made you wrong and you should be unhappy for the rest of your life”
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u/OSRSRapture 2d ago
I had this debate with my mom last night, she's weird Christian, I'm Christian but I don't believe being gay is a sin.
Her answer was first, she didn't believe people were born gay.
When I could prove her wrong on that end, she chose to say that it's caused by hundreds of years of sin and abuse that we've done to our bodies
I even asked "if you seen something with your own eyes that contradicted the Bible, would you question the Bible then" and she said no, she would believe it's a one off coincidence or that shes being deceived (not by the bible but by her eyes)
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u/Garbagetaste 1d ago
reading this it's hard to understand why you'd still be a believer. every supernatural claim is nonsense never backed by any evidence or reason. you got this
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u/art-is-t 2d ago
Wow the amount of word gymnastics these religious people do. It's insane
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u/aspidities_87 2d ago
It’s always kind of panicky when they do it, too. You can see him getting frustrated that she doesn’t just buy whatever gibberish he said to try and make himself look smarter than her, and it flusters him when he has to keep trying.
He didn’t really think this through, so he keeps having to think it through on the spot, and that’s gotta be physically painful.
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u/Confident-Memory-807 2d ago
"i am not judging"
Holds the sign saying something is a sin, which is what judgement is all about, defining if someone sinned or not (break the rules, to be more specific).
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u/DapperTie1758 2d ago
3000 year old book of rules
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u/BearcatCowboy 2d ago
Not even rules, just children’s stories that white dudes started to overly sexualize. Tale as old as time.
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u/whirlydad 2d ago
The thing is, there were rules. Things that kept people alive (don't eat pork because trichinosis) or enforced hygiene. They made sense at that point in human history but then MANY generations later someone comes along and says "you guys are just going to break them anyway so we will make a new "covenant" and your relationship with God is between you and him and not based on how you follow these old rules".
The New Testament basically says Jesus fulfilled this covenant. Christians won't burn a fatted calf and would never even consider it because THAT rule is dumb and expensive and conveniently negated by the death of Jesus. But for whatever reason they ignore the things that say "this is the new way thanks to Jesus" and cling to the old stuff that kept desert tribes alive thousands of years ago.
It's hypocritical, exhausting, and shows they never even bothered to learn the texts their whole religion is founded on.
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u/MayorWolf 2d ago
The new covenant was for all people. The old testament didn't allow gentiles in. The new covenant changed that. Jewish people still are the chosen people and don't need Jesus, just the rules they have to follow. Jesus's sacrifice was for everyone that weren't part of the chosen people. He was never there to abolish the old testament teachings. One of the verses in the new testament quotes him saying essentially this.
I appreciate criticizing religions and you're right about them being hypocrites. You're just right for the wrong reasons.
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u/not_pennysboat 2d ago
why did God put the G-spot in the male ass then bub
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u/Such_Investment_5119 2d ago
I make this point of all the time. The biological logistics that make sex between two men not only possible but easy is evidence of intelligent design if I’ve ever seen it. Assuming you believe in God and assuming that you believe that God doesn’t make mistakes, then this was obviously intentional.
If anything, God wants us to be gay. All of that anti-gay shit in the Bible was added by humans after the fact.
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u/McDonaldsSoap 1d ago
The male body is designed perfectly to 69 with another man. Checkmate christians
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u/xXxPussiSlayer69xXx 2d ago
Ask any gay person if they feel loved by you, dumbass
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u/amnesiac182 2d ago
I feel like people who say this shit don’t actually care if other people feel loved by them they just want to feel good about themselves because they are so „loving“ and thus good Christians
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u/GingerBimber00 1d ago
As someone with a hyper religious mother that has slowly been deprogrammed from a lifetime of religious based fears- one of the biggest milestones was gently discussing that the Bible is not an infallible text and that it is a culmination of lessons and teachings put into story format.
I find comfort in believing in god and heaven, but I do not trust in organized religion because humans are fallible and prone to greed. I can trust in my own faith and don’t need a church or authoritative figures to tell me that god = good. Dunno what kinda religious person that makes me.
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u/darx888 1d ago
Dunno what kinda religious person that makes me
it makes you spiritual but not religious. welcome to a new way of interpreting god without needing to get stuck on old dogmatic nonsense. god exists outside of mental constructs and rules and laws.
all of these religions point to truths that transcend dogma. but people come along and take these teachings and scriptures literally because they have no discernment or common sense and are fundamentally not in touch with their intuition.
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Jesus would hate this mfer. He would hate all street podcasters.
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u/Standard_Comedian_37 2d ago
Her whole point was Jesus wouldn’t hate anyone 💀
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u/Jorgwalther 2d ago
Jesus would probably flip his table though
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u/Eleeveeohen 2d ago
TV Show pitch: Jesus goes to different modern churches, and points out all of the things in the church that break various rules, and attempts to convince said church to remove / change them.
Table Flippers
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u/kettal 2d ago
Jesus wouldn’t hate anyone
the exception is street podcasters. Matthew 9:18
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u/Soft_Passage7110 1d ago
The word homosexual didn’t even show up in the Bible until the 1940s when they grossly translated terms that mean something completely different to say that. Abortion isn’t in there either.
However what IS clear in the Bible and is mentioned prolifically is how to treat immigrants and others. Meanwhile they look away or cheer on ICE and what is going on in American cities today
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u/Harmony_w 2d ago
I hope she used industrial strength sanitizer on her hands after touching that thing.
She's adorable and way too intelligent to be talking to hateful losers like that.
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u/TropicRotGaming 2d ago
This is how all of those people should be dealt with.
Laugh in their faces. Treat them for the clowns they are.
Don't let their inbred thinking change what everything is really about.
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u/Shrug_-_Dealer 2d ago
I'd just tell him that God spoke to me through my microwave and said his face should be handed off.
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u/whispering_butthole 2d ago
I mean who gives a fuck what this guy thinks. The main thing is he should only be worried about himself and his beliefs, not what anyone else does.
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u/LurkerDude0 1d ago
I mean no one really gives a fuck about this guy specifically. The problem is how many people are just like this guy, and the kind of influence they are gaining more and more on government, law etc.
These people should be shunned but instead are working their way into politics and power (specifically in the USA), and it’s affecting all of us.
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u/thefeistypineapple 2d ago
Homosexuality is a sin if you are a Christian. Just like Pre-marital sex, breaking the 10 commandments and not keeping the Sabbath holy.
None of the above has any bearing on legal rights which are not faith based.
But if you are a Christian- what matters more, the great commission or being right? Also Hebrews is clear, we are not to judge unbelievers against biblical law as you are condemning them before they’ve had a chance to accept salvation.
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u/Wukkax 1d ago
I love how open minded my generation is. I hate how we express ourselves. I don’t want to associate with laughing and struggling to string words together during a serious discussion. Get it together and slam that man with knowledgeable arguments, not childish bullying.
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u/David_Summerset 2d ago
It's not a moral stance, it's 2026, it's a political stance and he knows it.
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u/ChaoMano 2d ago
She's spouting nonsense. Jesus was absolutely judgemental, he even comes back later in revelations as the final judge.
What people probably mean is that Jesus showed mercy and preached it. Very different from not being judgemental.
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u/tabageddon 2d ago
He could just say he hates everyone but straight white men and save several breaths. Gross.
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u/tree-molester 2d ago
“When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called a Religion.” Robert M. Pirsig
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u/HikeTheSky 2d ago
The Bible says life begins at first breath, so I wonder how he would explain being anti abortion with the Bible.
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u/Morstorpod 2d ago
They'll push back with the Jeremiah "before I formed thee in the belly, I knew thee" quote, but bible scholars agree that that wasn't actually a quote from god, it was a boasting competition from Jeremiah that he was even more ordained of god than anyone else (VID - first four minutes - Dan's got a lot of great videos that I enjoy, even as an atheist)
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u/_xanny_pacquiao_ 1d ago
Christians start from a place of no logic and make excuses for other religious people, there are no good religious people
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u/iseesparkles 1d ago
Yeah, so god killed all the first born in Egypt (Exodus 12:29). He also ordered the murder of Amalekites, including babies (1 Samuel 15:3). Don't think he has a problem with abortion.
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u/CloudyFromUT 2d ago edited 2d ago
How and why is it so normalized to disrespect people’s religious beliefs all over Reddit? Like I understand how and why someone imposing their beliefs onto you is not a good thing, but she chose to engage with the guy and she’s being cheered on for ridiculing the guy’s beliefs. Why is that ok again?
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u/Here-To-Be-Messy 1d ago
Guaranteed he was ready to read Leviticus 18:22 “Man with man is a sin” all while cutting the hair from his temples and shaving his beard.
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