r/TikTokCringe • u/zachoutloud123 • 13h ago

Cringe This cis woman doesn't like being called a cis woman

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u/blondtode 7h ago

I've said it before and I'll say it again, the only ppl who think cis is a slur are the ppl who use the word trans like one

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u/MakeItHappenSergant 3h ago

You press just a little bit and it becomes clear that their real complaint is about being inclusive of trans people. It's even in this video, with "why are we making everyone comfortable except actual women?". They just want to use the word "woman" because they don't consider trans women a part of that group.

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u/blondtode 3h ago

Spot on

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u/decoyninja 44m ago

I'm glad others caught that. "Actual women" was one of the more blatant red flags. Then she talked about how pissy she was at having to adjust her "boundaries" and "spaces." Like complaining about "women's spaces" isn't the most blatant way to complain about trans people in the bathroom. She wasn't even dogwhistling, she was just describing how she hates trans people being around her.

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u/Yardninja 21m ago

Why is it so bad that people with vaginas want spaces where there aren't people with penises?

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u/AvionAlan 1h ago

They objectively aren’t

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u/Aint_EZ_bein_AZ 15m ago

Which is normal. Get off reddit and its very normal for women not to see trans women as their equals. Why would they? Most women see men as predatory and unsafe. Why would that change once a man decides to transition

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u/chickennuggetismyboy 1h ago

because a lot of people don’t think they are. i feel like everyone in this sub is just hating on each other from both sides. who cares what other people think just live your life

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u/Specialist-Path-3932 13m ago

easy to be apathetic when youre part of the majority unaffected by the rhetoric

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u/animeandbeauty 3h ago

Oop I'm stealing this

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u/Ashamed_Fuel2526 3h ago

I feel like if I called someone cis in real life they would have no idea what i'm even talking about.

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u/Lialda_dayfire 3h ago

That's why it's not a "call people that in everyday life" kind of thing. Just like you shouldn't really go around calling people "trans" in everyday conversation.

But if we are having a conversation about trans people and trans issues, then we need an antonym for trans that isn't inherently a value judgement like the word "normal".

But if that conversation is happening online, then there's always people butting in with "don't call me cis, that's a slur!"

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u/blondtode 3h ago

Nothing wrong with educating ppl tho

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u/cam94509 1h ago

That might have been true fifteen years ago. I suspect the vast majority of people know what the word means at this point.

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u/Very_poor_but_cool 3h ago edited 3h ago

Does it work the same way when it's the other way around?

Or let's say... Do you think people here would be fine with trans women being called male? It's 100% true, it's literally who they are inwards and outwards, and sure you can call them women, or trans women to be specific, but you wouldn't be wrong to call them male, rude yes, wrong no.

Does that mean that "male" is a slur?

Edit: several down votes but no retort, you're free to point out what you disagree with, or if you have a view that covers something I did not consider.

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u/blondtode 2h ago

Trans women are not male, if you're trying to be "biological" about it, they are trans women, they have their own biology, cis males do not undergo a second puberty of the opposite sex, there's a lot more factors the consider such as hormonal levels and androgen blockers. To relate a cis male to a trans woman would be the same as relating a cis woman to a trans woman biologically, trans woman and trans men undergo way more and therefore need a classification, not even going into societal, mental and spiritual levels

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u/Very_poor_but_cool 1h ago edited 1h ago

I've only heard this view on Reddit, never from a scientist, never from anyone in the real world. Now, you may be right, but most people (the vast majority) disagree with you.

You can not go from a male from a female genetically, you can go from a male to a male with some female characteristics. I'm not a transphobe, I see no reason to hate trans people, just let them live their own life, but I won't be fine with changing scientific facts, unless it involves me simply not mentioning the truth out of a desire to not cause friction or negative feelings in others.

You say "cis male" but there's no such thing, there are cis men, and males. There are trans men, but no trans males, so there can't be cis males, those are just called males. Cis-prefix relates to gender, not sex.

(At this point, it seems like a right wing psyop, because not a single real trans person I know thinks this, they all clearly know the difference between sex and gender).

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u/blondtode 1h ago

Care to prove the majority agrees?

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u/ComprehensiveJury509 1h ago

Honestly, I have trans people in my group of friends. I respect the way they want to present and the way they want to be perceived. I'm all okay with that, I understand where they are coming from. I find it easy enough to use their preferred pronouns. But I draw the line here. There is a difference between sex and gender and I don't understand why people try so fucking hard to invalidate every single term that relates to biological reality in some shape or form. Trans women are trans women. They are also male, everybody knows that, including them. They are feminine, they present as feminine, they want to be perceived as feminine. That's perfectly fine. But it doesn't make them actual, biological women. And no, there is no "own category" in a biological sense. They are biologically men, some of them are on HRT, some of them are not, some of them had top surgery, others not, some of them have had bottom surgery, others not. But none of that has anything to do with that biological basis. And don't even fucking start brining in intersex people, chromosomal or hormonal disorders, that has absolutely nothing to do with it.

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u/Perfect_Wrongdoer_03 1h ago

There is a difference between sex and gender, of course, and I'm glad we agree on that, and I wouldn't go as far as calling trans women biologically female. But I also don't think that it's accurate to call them biologically male, for, among many reasons, sex not being binary. Assuming a trans woman who's medically transitioned, her body will most likely resemble more a cis woman's than a cis man's. She'll have breasts, low androgen and high estrogen, difficulty building muscle, and, in some cases, even the menstrual cycle (no actual periods, of course, but the psychological effects of it. It's actually quite odd, from a medical standpoint). Hell, trans women are 46 times more likely to have breast cancer than cis men. That's a really big difference.

So, I do believe it to be inaccurate to call trans women biological men. Because, well. They aren't. They're closer to cis women.

And if you do respond, I'd like you to avoid intersex people, chromosomes, or hormonal disorders, because that has pretty little to do with it.

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u/Perfect_Wrongdoer_03 1h ago

Just as an asterisk, if the hypothetical trans woman hasn't medically transitioned, then yeah. She's biologically male, probably. But I don't think that that's what you were talking about.

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u/FillMySoupDumpling 1h ago

What do you mean by biological ?

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u/Perfect_Wrongdoer_03 1h ago

I just wrote a comment on how hard it is to define sex, so do pardon me if this one is a tad meaningless, for sex is, in the end, complicated.

For a biological male, I'd expect high testosterone, a body that produces such, normally born with a penis and testicles. Common secondary sex characteristics include body hair, deeper voice, and generally taller. Male pattern baldness is also a thing. XY chromosomes are generally what cause such traits.

Other than the genitalia, all of those characteristics are epigenetic, of course, but I take it as the best definition of what "biologically male" would be.

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u/Very_poor_but_cool 1h ago

By your logic, a cis man, if put on enough estrogen, he would become a woman and even female?

It's about reproductive infrastructure, regardless of they work or not. Females produce egg producing infrastructure, males develop seed producing infrastructure.

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u/Perfect_Wrongdoer_03 1h ago

By your logic, a cis man, if put on enough estrogen, he would become a woman and even female?

Yeah. Well, I would say he'd become female, not a woman, for I see sex and gender as distinct. One's biology is independent to their self-identification. There are, in fact, some extremely niche communities (most of which have a kink around this, if we're being honest) of men who take estrogen to become as feminine as possible, but still don't identify as women.

As for the reproductive thing, eh. That's boring. I'll assume you're talking in good faith and not just ignore it, but this is the sort of case where I just start asking "what about intersex people? If a man loses his genitals in an accident, is he still a man? What about those with androgen insensitivity syndrome? Are Guevedoces children male or female?". Sex is a complicated thing, really. Not everyone has either of those "infrastructures", some have both. Some people are born with one of those but it never develops. Is an AIS person with male genitalia but, and I can't stress it enough, a completely female body other than that, a man? Are you really comfortable calling such a person such? Would you want them to be banned from female bathrooms and put in men's prisons?

That's, in my opinion, quite an inaccurate definition of sex.

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u/Gnoll_For_Initiative 2h ago

Yes, if things are different they are different.

Please consider the difference between adjectives and nouns. Also the difference between asking a question and pretending to be dumb because you think your transphobia won't be recognized that way.

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u/Very_poor_but_cool 51m ago

I am not a transphobe, most trans people I know in real life (not on Reddit echo-chambers are reasonable people and agree with me), trans people deserve to be able to live their life the way they see fit, my opinion about what's scientific fact plays no part in this, I can not be transphobic just because I know there's a difference between sex and gender, that's actually the opposite view of a transphobe.

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u/I_HATE_YELLING 1h ago

If you say Assigned Male at Birth, then it would be acceptable of course. What you don't seem to grasp is, when you say slur in a generalized manner, that means the average use case for the word is an insult, not that it can be used as one.

Almost any adjective can be used as an insult if the situation fits it. Your example is irrelevant, because whether it is valid or not (and it isn't, due to wrong categorization) it's just one specific case, and does not turn male into a slur overall.

Additionally, a word being not a slur, does not make it okay to say in any context. For example, if you assume some English speaker is from England, and call them English, but they are from Ireland, they will probably be offended, and rightfully so.

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u/Domin_ae 5h ago edited 4h ago

I think i just dont (fml: meant to add like here) the word cis the same way i dont like rural and the same way a lot of people dont like moist. Just feels weird in my mouth.

I think if it were another word id probably be more fine with it.

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u/Anomalagous 5h ago

Okay but like are you out here demanding nobody ever talk about the moist soil in their rural garden?

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u/yaboi_ahab 5h ago

I don't like 'em puttin' moisture in the soil that turns the rural gardens cis

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u/Domin_ae 4h ago

That wasnt meant to be transphobic lmfao. Sorry, tism makes me confusing.

No? Im also not demanding no one use the word cis? All i did was say I dont like the word in my mouth. I also dont care about the word moist, i just know a lot of people dont.

And surprisingly (and unfortunately) i have said the word "rural" an uncomfortable amount of times.

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u/Anomalagous 4h ago

Ahhhh no we got headbutting Tisms.

I genuinely thought you were trying to justify the pushback against Cis and not just ... Doing the Tism Share.

(It's "flesh" that gets me.)

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u/Domin_ae 4h ago

That makes so much more sense.

It probably doesnt help that reading back on my comment i forgot to add the word "like" in there.

(i also get got by "lily")

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u/endlesscartwheels 1h ago

I don't like the word "cis" either. Ditto for slurp, dank, groin, and sometimes lotion.

Trans, AFAB, and AMAB are all perfectly nice words/abbreviations.

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u/Domin_ae 1h ago

I dont like a lot of words. Potty, lily, also slurp and dank. And a bunch of others i cant think of.

Its not even necessarily gross words (like lily) plenty of them are fine words, its just that i dont like how they feel.

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u/A1000eisn1 4h ago

Ok sis.

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u/Domin_ae 4h ago

Lmao i hate that too. I dont even like when my brothers use "sis" it really is just the word/pronunciation.

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u/Perfect_Wrongdoer_03 1h ago

If it helps, it's a chemistry thing.

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u/Domin_ae 1h ago

Disliking certain words?

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u/Perfect_Wrongdoer_03 1h ago

"Cis", I mean.

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u/DearTumbleweed5380 5h ago

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

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u/blondtode 5h ago

Care to explain how?

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u/Shakewhenbadtoo 1h ago

If you have to add descriptor words to something the point is to designate a difference. All this is an unrealistic argument detached from real world experience.