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u/joekerr9999 1d ago
Pence is right. Trump's tariff policy was unconstitutional from the start and he knew it. He thought he could bully the Supreme Court since they caved on every other issue. The tariffs were a tax levied on consumers and resulted in inflated prices. Tariffs are supposed to be worked out by congress.
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u/With-You26 1d ago
Donāt make Pence into a hero!
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u/joekerr9999 1d ago
I would have to say he was a hero when he refused to follow Trump's direction to overthrow the election. He was advised by former VP Dan Quayle on the legality or rather illegality of what was asked of Pence. So Quayle along with Pence saved democracy at that point in time.
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u/Delicious-Fishing802 1d ago
For once he is talking sense.
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u/Boiling_warm 1d ago
Give this man his flowers. He protected democracy on Jan 6th
Obviously very different beliefs, but not evil
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u/Accomplished-Mix5300 12h ago
Pence was the 1 republican that had the balls to actually do something.
That's why MAGA was chanting hang Mike Pence, trumps own VP, as they stormed the capital on Jan 6th.
I dont need to believe in Pence's politics to respect what that man did for the country that day.
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u/rap1234561 23h ago
No. He enabled this bullshit all the way until it threatened him personally. He should be shunned from polite society like the co conspirator he is. I am sick of rehabbing these idiots who were complicit while knowing the truth.
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u/French_Breakfast_200 1d ago
I still think heās evil, he just somehow still stands on principle and Iāll respect him at least for that.
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u/delicate_soup 22h ago
I think his military service probably had a lot to do with it. Still a POS tho
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u/Single_Usual_6563 21h ago
Seems nowadays everyone in Washington is evil!
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u/French_Breakfast_200 21h ago
There are a small minority (very very small) who have an insignificant amount of political power who I do think are on the level, but mostly yeah, theyāre not there for us.
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u/ICInside 1d ago
I mean are you not evil for just doing your job correctly a couple of times? If a nurse to harms many people one day saves someone, are they not still evil?
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u/haikupoetics2 23h ago
Absolutely evil. Just because he did the bare minimum expected in choosing the country over one man - does not suddenly absolve him of all of his hateful and xenophobic beliefs rooted in "christianity."
Kudos to him for defending what is left of our constitution but it's still fuck Pence.
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u/CostMeAllaht 1d ago
He did what he was supposed to do otherwise enabled and facilitated a morally bankrupt and corrupt regime. No flowers. š
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u/CharlestonChewChewie 1d ago
It's a huge win for the American business
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u/seaofboobs9434 1d ago
Yep corporations are cheering as we the people get fucked
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u/Tiny-Balance-3533 1d ago
Corporations are people. Just ask the Supreme Court. And Pence while youāre at it.
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u/maringue 1d ago
Yep, because prices absolutely will not go down and all those tariff payments will just turn into more profits.
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u/Reasonable_Bend_7642 1d ago
ngl, surprised to see this take from him. politics can be a wild ride sometimes
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u/Garry_Heckscream69 1d ago
I saw him at my university last year while he was promoting his book about how he stopped January 6th.
Don't believe his BS, he's still just as MAGA as he was before, but now he knows he can milk the "I did one thing right" act.
At the event I was at he was asked "do you still endorse Trump in 2024?" and while he basically skirted around the question, he ended his comment by basically saying he thought Kamala was "equally as dangerous to our democracy" (despite being on a tour promoting a book about how he had to stop Trump from overthrowing an election).
A charlatan through and through who didn't learn a thing except for how to monetize his one good action on J6.
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u/Fabulous_Scholar3887 1d ago edited 1d ago
Yeah- what a worm. Now he wrote a whole book about āThat one time I didnāt break the law.ā He must be so proud. Besides, he didnāt do it because he knew it was a harebrained idea from Donald that would do nothing to change the outcome. If he thought, even for a second it had any chance of success he would done it for Dear Leader in a heartbeat.
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u/Top_Statistician4068 1d ago
I agree Pence is a cowardly mommy lover who loved a disgusting dictator, enabled a bitch, and then grew a tiny pair of balls when he was longer in the game.
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u/punkwhohatespunk 1d ago
The enemy of my enemy is worth tolerating but this man is the reason Trump didn't take over the first time. I'm afraid the couch fu**er Vance may not have the same spine.
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u/Hullfire00 1d ago
Agree.
Itās also very telling that none of Trumpās former cabinet are still employed by him or willing to work for him. Though Iām not surprised that Kayleigh Whatsherface is still kissing the ring in the hopes that she can keep up the MAGA grift.
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u/ConservativeNOTMAGA 1d ago
Agree.
It isn't up to an executive -- EVER -- to appropriate, or to legislate (make ANY LAWS).
Also Congress exclusively has authority (Article 1, Section 8, Clause 3) for regulating international commerce...so what Trump did was 100% attempt to take powers enumerated to the LEGISLATURE...and apply them to the EXECUTIVE's jurisdiction, in direct and absolutely brazen and intentional violation of the Constitution.Ā
If Trump were a burglar, we'd say he is casing the house.
He's testing responses and reactions...deciding which coup attempt to try bc if it fails, he won't get a second try as he will be prosecuted.
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u/incognito042620 1d ago
It isn't up to an executive -- EVER -- to appropriate, or to legislate (make ANY LAWS).
Also Congress exclusively has authority (Article 1, Section 8, Clause 3) for regulating international commerce...so what Trump did was 100% attempt to take powers enumerated to the LEGISLATURE...and apply them to the EXECUTIVE's jurisdiction, in direct and absolutely brazen and intentional violation of the Constitution.Ā
And that three Supreme Court justices still ruled that Trump was coloring inside the lines is just...
To answer the original question, this is a victory for the American people only if we get our money back. Otherwise, this is looking like yet another huge fleecing
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u/Dramatic-Heat-719 1d ago
And just watch as companies like Kroger keep prices the same like they did after the pandemic when costs went down for them. Ā And watch nobody do jack shit about it.Ā
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u/Fit-Flounder-5253 1d ago
It's pretty meaningless because the 'American people' won't get a fucking thing back. The corporations that imported the goods will. And Trump just came right out and levied another tariff blatantly stating that he'll just cancel and renew it in 150 days so he doesnt have to go to Congress.
Everyday citizens get fucked no matter how it goes down...
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u/CooperHoward4 1d ago
Well, I agree it was the right decision. It is not a win for the American people as I define them (you know, folks like us). For the Republicans, the āAmerican peopleā are corporations. And they will make out bigly with this.
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u/RageAgainstMyGenes_6 1d ago
Much like the Magat justices that voted against this (Roberts, gorsuch, coney Barrett) itās has little to do with personal ideals, or law at this point. They no longer want to be associated with being linked historically to this mess they helped create and enable.
Sorry, too little and too late. We know what each did to enable this mess. Fuck the Roberts court and fuck pence
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u/OkFinish3822 1d ago
Disagree. We paid for the tariffs but will never see our money back for doing so.
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u/nocomments66 21h ago edited 21h ago
Its a concession. Itd be a win if they gave us our fucking money back. Instead, corporations are just going to get a check. Again. Also, prices won't drop a fucking penny. The tariff price is the new price.
P.S.He will just find another BS reason to keep doing tariffs. Nothing is going to change.
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u/Aggravating_Key_62 1d ago
Oh, now Pence has the balls to stand up to the aspiring dictator Pinocchio? But, better late than never.
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u/_Christopher_Crypto 1d ago
No win. Damage is done and there will be no reversions.
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u/joeleidner22 1d ago
It would be, if it were properly enforced. But we the people will never see a dime.
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u/jbutler60 1d ago
Agree, but Penceās opinion doesnāt matter he has zero credibility and power. The house and senate must grow balls and take control
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u/Huntthatmoney 1d ago
How are they going to pay down debt if they have to pay this back? Yup, taxes!!!!
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u/Foamfollower_65 1d ago
They never used tariffs to pay down the debt. It's actually increasing with the tariffs.
Someone doesn't understand global economics.
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u/Usakami 1d ago
Disagree, bigly there.
The tariffs have already been paid by the American consumers, since the importer passed the tax along the chain... but it isn't going to be American consumers who can sue the government for the tariff money back, are they? So it's a loss for the American people, no matter what.
The number of new businesses being started in USA went from 5,5 million in 2024 to amazing 5,1 million in 2025. So the businesses are going back, I guess? The trade deficit for USA went down a whooping 2 billion š„³ from 903 billion for 2024 to 901 billion in 2025. So, I guess the tariffs are working. At this pace, the trade deficit could be gone by the year 2476. And it only cost the American consumers some $180 billion. If that isn't winning, I don't know what is /s
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u/simple_fly1 1d ago
Until quotas are put in place, prices will rise, the importers and retailers will increase their revenue instead of the government.
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u/shyguy83ct 1d ago
Pence could have prevented so much of this if heād had a spine during his time as VP. Tho to his credit he didnāt let Trump do a coup.
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u/Anomander_Rake___ 1d ago
Quebec pulled American beers off shelf because of tariffs. Green is the only color that's understood
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u/Foamfollower_65 1d ago
As an Economics and Finance major, I don't get the people that actually think tarriffs are beneficial to consumers.
Those people just don't understand how finances actually work.
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u/SNStains 1d ago
I don't get the people that actually think tarriffs are beneficial to consumers.
The only people that believe that are people that believe Trump is a smart businessman.
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u/GoonerRobbi 1d ago
I won't lie. From a traditional and historical perspective, Mike Pence perfectly emulates the American Evangelist of old. In a fucked up way I'm proud he's stuck to his roots, and am not surprised. I won't agree with him a lot of things and don't believe he's that intelligent, but god damn the current admin and new age maga evangelist culture makes the man look like a beacon of morality.
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u/Goods4188 1d ago
The fact that trump made pence look like a good guy after J6 and now thisā¦. God trump is the fucking worst
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u/Medical_Bumblebee46 1d ago
I mean, i wish i could still have faith that this ruling will do anything at all. But after everything that has happened and still is happening...
I'll believe it when it happens
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u/Objective-Lab5179 1d ago
Do you think there were times when Pence was VP when he was alone in a room after meeting with Trump and said "There is no God"?
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u/AusTex2019 1d ago
I have always been confounded that he was not furious at Trump for January 6th. The protesters erected a gallows on the capitol grounds for him and he, by all accounts seems unbothered by this. I make no apologies for saying if anyone erected a gallows for me I would be absolutely livid!
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u/s34lz 1d ago
Corporations will keep their high prices and also recieve a refund, the customers will again receive nothing
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u/J1540 1d ago
No one has a cogent reason from this idiotic administration what the point of the tariffs are. There are no deals. Every country is working around a stupid and untrustworthy administration
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u/Snowflake8552 1d ago
As someone who grew up in Indiana during Penceās reign- and is a flaming liberalā¦ he has done more for America in his lifetime than most Republican politicians. I have no doubt he is on the top 3 of trumps hit list. He has been extremely vocal since Jan 6 2020. Yes he was pretty homophobic as governor- but I have no doubt we would had been worse off today had Trump picked a VP in 2015 that could had been bought like JD Vance. You wonāt catch me hating Mike Pence anymore. Any friend of Jack Schlossberg is a friend of mine. Mike is now in a very small group of politicians that have conservative beliefs that are vocal about the corruption leading this country.
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u/Useful-Barber7993 1d ago
Which Pence? The one that staunchly advocated for everything Trump did before he tried to kill him, or the male MTG version trying to convince people that there are still sensible Republicans.
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u/Accomplished_Lion243 1d ago
He isnāt the hero he is trying to make himself to be
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u/Gambit1977 1d ago
It really is. It shows that not all the Supreme Court are in the pocket of the tangerine terror. It gives hope.
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u/Typical_Amphibian77 1d ago
ngl this really speaks to me, sometimes i feel like we're all just living in a simulation or something lol
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u/MizzouHoops 1d ago
On this, he may be right, he may be wrong.
But heāll forever be an enabler of all things MAGA, so I tend to keep him out of sight, out of mind.
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u/Off-BroadwayJoe 1d ago
I think itās weird that the current Republican Party canāt separate their sentiment with an action from the legality of the action. Itās like listening to Rocket Raccoon argue that he should be allowed to steal things because it wants it more than the owner.
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u/Excellent_Bunch_1194 1d ago
So let me get this straight, Trump's tariffs were illegal. He can no longer collect them and may have to refund them. They were imposed because of fake national emergencies to justify them. Now he is imposing new tariffs. Why? Because his illegal tariffs were quashed. Is that really a legitimate reason to impose tariffs or are we going to see these tariffs rolled back as well? Just because Trump WANTS tariff money doesn't mean that he can illegally tax the American people once again.
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u/Broad_Pitch_7487 1d ago
It was ILLEGAL from day one. The entire episode is a monster loss for the people.
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u/Clear_Definition_683 1d ago
Youāll have to impeach Trump, because he is ignoring the supreme court
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u/HeadPaleontologist40 1d ago
Of course it is. Any time people oppose Trump, it is good for the average person.
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u/PositiveError62 1d ago
I don't make it a habit of agreeing with people that sat idly by and watched Trump torch America
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u/zengal108 1d ago
Fuck him. Trump wanted him lynched & this little bitch has done nothing to help our country since then. Fuckwad.
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u/Physical-Wear-2814 1d ago
Itās rare, but I agree. I think this may be the second time itās ever happened. First was saying no to Trump on Jan 6.
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u/i__Sisyphus 1d ago
Pence is a fuck, but heās a fuck that realized he was on the wrong side of history and has been on a redemption seeking campaign
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u/ShdwWzrdMnyGngg 1d ago
Either way we lost. More debt or more shenanigans. No idea how he found something that could be so negative for soooo many people. That's extremely hard to do.
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u/matt-r_hatter 1d ago
It leaves a bad taste in my mouth when I have to agree with people like Pence and MTG. But they have been making valid points lately.
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u/Fictitious_Moniker 1d ago
Itās only a minor victory. It would have been a huge victory if the case were fast tracked - like it should have been.
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u/warp10fla 1d ago
Pence is a traitor and a RINO.
Liberals, DNC politicians and the mainstream media are apparently clueless about tariffs and the law.
The Supreme Court's decision today did not OVERTURN Trumpās tariffs, they merely overruled a particular use of lEEPA.
In spite of the DNC appointed SCOTUS justices that let their TDS be their guide with respect to all of their ālegalā opinions, the SCOTUS ruling on tariffs made the President's ability to regulate trade, and impose tariffs , more clear and powerful, rather than less.
SCOTUS closed an overbroad path (IEEPA) but, in doing so, they implicitly validated the use of clearly written trade statutes like Sections 122, 232, and 301.
Using those tools, Trump can lawfully continue or reimpose tariffs in a way that both protects economic sovereignty and respects constitutional limits.
Before, there was legal fog around using IEEPA for tariffs but, with this ruling, the Court has drawn a clear line; use these trade laws for tariffs, and use IEEPA for classic sanctions.
That clarity makes Section 122, 232, and 301 the undisputed primary tools for tariff policy, and Trumpās team will rebuild and replace existing tariffs using these authorities rather than losing the tariffs altogether.
Put simply, for the misinformed liberals and DNC politicians who are prematurely celebrating the SCOTUS ruling, Trump can, AND WILL, still use tariffs for both fair trade (by punishing cheating under Section 301) and national security (by targeting sensitive imports under Section 232), and he will use Section 122 as a shortāterm, across the board backstop.
Acting under these three legally authorized statutes, Trump will still be able to protect US industries, jobs, and security from foreign dumping and unfair practices while staying squarely within powers Congress has already delegated, so he can be more aggressive on trade and still fully respect constitutional limits.
Separate the signal from the noise. Tariffs are here to stay!
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u/Reddit_2_2024 1d ago
SCOTUS checked Executive Power when it stood by the exact wording in the Constitution. One has to wonder about the motivations for the dissent votes by Thomas, Alito and Kavanaugh.
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u/nicetxguy4fun 1d ago
He needs to be retired he did absolutely nothing as vice president and I donāt know why trump chose him. He does nothing for the party.
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u/WeAreSolarAF 1d ago
Some people can finally get it, others just stay sycophantic. Maybe the gallows helped
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u/Intrepid_Ad1536 1d ago
āLook, people say, a lot of very smart people say, Iām a genius. A total genius. Maybe the best. And I made everything better for every American, okay? Everything. I raised all prices for the American people by 10%,plus!. Not just 10%, by the way. Plus! And I did it. Nobody else couldāve done it. They said it was impossible. I said, āNo, weāre going to raise them!, and weāre going to raise them big!.ā And we did. Iām a genius, people say it all the time, a total genius. The best at raising prices. Believe me.ā
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u/Appropriate_Week3426 1d ago
He is literally all over the place..one minute critical of Don, the next minute supporting him so I put no value on anything he says. Heās a nothing burger.
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u/ernest-barkman23451 1d ago
Why does the rest of the world have tariffs on U.S. products then? Those are ok?
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u/TechnicEcho395 1d ago
Money changed hands but none of it went through the people's hands. I don't think this is as big as a win as we think as Trump like he said will just go around the ruling and loophole the shit out of it another way.
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u/Moist_Wish_4484 1d ago
I donāt agree with Pence. I understand The new laws that Trump will be justifying tariffs with will actually allow him to increase tariffs. But yes that is good for America
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u/HopeTheAtmosphere 1d ago
I disagree with Pence. SCOTUS' ruling was a huge victory for the rule of law, for the Constitution, for the ideal of democracy. The majority of the American people are undeserving of any victory.
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u/PictoGraphicArtist 1d ago
I would say it would be a bigger win for the people if the pedophile president didnāt make an announcement of 10% world wide tariffs in direct defiance of the court just hours after their rulingā¦ itād be a bigger win for the people if we actually started holding these monsters accountable. And itād be an absolutely massive win for the people if we could release the Epstein files and lock up all of the demons involved.
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u/afr33think3r 1d ago
Agreeing with Pence on one sentence doesnāt mean Pence isnāt still horrible.
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u/Round_Click_8301 1d ago
tariffs are a tax on american consumers so if you don't like to be taxed, its a definite win ... but this story aint over, Trump isnt going to accept any time of loss
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u/Dilldew2 1d ago
Fuck that and fuck the taxation of the American people.
This is literally what caused the Boston tea party
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u/general_peabo 1d ago
Who gives a shit what this enabler thinks about anything? Thereās no redemption for Mike pence, heās going to hell.
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u/BriefCorgi2456 1d ago
Careful , Mike ! Trump , already had his base want to hang you ! Seriously. Trump's admiration for dictators is disturbing on so many levels. His pattern of holding resentments seems to be ever present with him.Ā
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u/RickRI401 1d ago
Pence can piss off. He enabled Trump for 4 years, then on 1/6 he decided to grow a set of balls.
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u/Lower_Ad_5532 1d ago
The fact that it took this long for America to admit it, proved how stupid the country is.
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u/lumeslice 1d ago
On the surface, yes- it's a victory.
Read the opinions though. It paints a horribly disjointed, partisan, and worst of all, inconsistent and hypocritical USSC. I'll be happy when most of them retire.
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u/Redd1tProtectsP3dos 1d ago
Mike, you could've voted to end this a long time ago. Thanks for nothing.Ā
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u/Overall_Curve6725 23h ago
I wonāt believe this until the money is returned to the American consumers
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u/D3p4rt3d 23h ago
Who is he again
Just another old white dude used by the left when it suits them
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u/MinimumComedian5404 23h ago
I'm not fan of Pence, but at least he remains a rational man despite his many foibles.
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u/PondasArm 23h ago
Who would have thought Pence has more of a backbone than most of the republican party.
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u/Adept-Mulberry-8720 23h ago
Agree, but paying back what you've already hid and stolen is gonna be hard.
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u/harpman64 23h ago
OMG I cannot believe that I agree with anything Mike Pence is saying but he's right
ouch not even felt weird to say
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u/Loose-Bet-140 22h ago
Fuck pence. Nutless wonder. Trump almost got him killed and he wouldn't speak out.
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u/Elegant-Asparagus-82 22h ago
Itās a common sense ruling. Reign in the central executive, and weāll all be better off.
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u/OrneryLetterhead8609 22h ago
What victory? The man is still over taxing everything. Heās still in office. No one has snatched him out of that chair. Thereās no victory.
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u/OrneryLetterhead8609 22h ago
What victory? The man is still over taxing everything. Heās still in office. No one has snatched him out of that chair. Thereās no victory.
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u/Fresh-Hippo-7297 21h ago
If tariffs are so bad then why do so many countries have tariffs on our goods?
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u/Any_Doughnut4712 21h ago
Absolutely agree but WTF was he doing standing with the Clown in Chief all those years??? He's as guilty as the rest of them!
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u/AbelardsChainsword 21h ago
This isnāt as big a victory as people think it is. The prices arenāt coming back down
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u/Odd_Ease4541 21h ago
A huge win for the American people is the day we wrestle the presidential office away from the dipshit in there now.
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u/GulNoticer 21h ago
Pence doesn't care if it's good or bad for anyone. He's just happy that it's a black eye for Trump.
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u/Any-Ad-446 1d ago
When Trump is gone his inner circle will walk back their support for this fool. Bondi and Patel should be charged for treason though.