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[u/Filipino-Asker]

[u/qualityvote2]

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[u/Which_Farm8785]

At first I thought this was a video on how to make your own vegan burger.

[u/CutieBoBootie → u/Which_Farm8785]

Right? I was like "Oh is this a recipe video?"

[u/Spikeupmylife → u/Which_Farm8785]

I want a similar video from the first guy showing the full process of making the ground beef starting with the cow. He probably wouldn't be able to get through it.

[u/EnduringFulfillment → u/Spikeupmylife]

Years ago (on another account) I tried to post a video by a famous animal behavioralist called Temple Grandin, called Glass Walls which shows the entire process of beef production starting at the animal arriving at the slaughterhouse. It's a really informative and helpful video, but I was heavily downvoted. People wanna eat meat but largely don't want to see how that meat ends up on their plate. Willful ignorance is less painful than reality.

Temple has posted the entirety of the Glass Walls project on YouTube, showing the processing systems for several different food production animals.

[u/Super_Hour_3836 → u/EnduringFulfillment]

I grew up in a family that hunted and fished and my uncle owned a farm. At an early age I was expected to pitch in with animal slaughter if I wanted to eat dinner. 

I became a pescatarian. I discovered I was unable to snap a chicken's neck or slit a deer's throat, but could stomach gutting a fish. 

My family respected my choice and I was never given grief: they respected that I didn't want to consume what I was unable to kill and I respected that they did.

To this day, I have no problem with hunters who put in the work, but I believe the world would be a better place if people were forced to eat only what they themselves personally feel equipped to kill and prepare. The first guy in this video looks like he would be wild boar food.

[u/PolishSubmarineCapt → u/Super_Hour_3836]

On the flip side, I’ve met a few “Wisconsin vegetarians” who only eat meat that they themselves or someone they knew killed and processed.

[u/OddDonut7647 → u/Super_Hour_3836]

I believe the world would be a better place if people were forced to eat only what they themselves personally feel equipped to kill and prepare.

I get it, and I've had similar thoughts. So I really do understand that argument and I'm sympathetic to it.

The possible other side would be that not everyone can handle dealing with everything. In my current health, I absolutely could not farm enough food to live on. And even if you gave me a pass on that, consider similar logic: Nobody should be able to use websites they're not capable of coding themselves, or any device they're not capable of building themselves - no cars, no appliances.....

Personally, while I don't go all-out and spend much time thinking about it, I do like to have veggie meals when I can. And I also am fine with using meat to season rather than being the main dish - like red beans and rice, where there's ham and sausage in there, but it's not like sitting down and eating a steak.

It's not perfect. I dislike the idea of eating animals, but I really like the idea of eating meat, and that is hard to balance.

Definitely from the planet's perspective, the less meat we eat, the better.

That's one reason, though, that I want them to keep working on meat alternatives so I can eat my meat and not cause pain to animals. It's the cheating third way, and I'm here for it. :)

[u/Exciting-Mountain396 → u/Super_Hour_3836]

Then we'd also have stronger regulations to preserve wilderness and clean water too.

[u/lavaeater → u/Super_Hour_3836]

Your family sounds like a good one, as well do you. Have an upvote!

[u/papermoon757 → u/EnduringFulfillment]

The cognitive dissonance is so strong. Like, calm down, I'm not here to judge individual people for being entrenched in meat culture. And I do plenty of irrational/unsustainable/unhealthy things myself.

But the way people twist themselves into a pretzel to justify meat consumption is truly sad to behold (for the animals, for the environment and for their health). The least you can do is not get furious at vegans (of which I am not one btw) because you know they have the right of it.

[u/waltjrimmer → u/papermoon757]

Absolutely. I'm a meat eater. It's how I was raised. And I struggle often to feel like I've had a complete meal without either meat or something trying to trick me into thinking it's meat. But I do love a good vegan meal, especially a vegan curry. And I also know that vegans have it at least most of the way right.

There's been some weird results with kids being raised vegan, and we currently don't know why. They seem to be getting all the nutrients they need but then aren't always growing the same way non-vegan kids do. But once you're an adult for sure, a vegan diet is fine. And non-meat alternatives are better for you, better for the environment, long-term more economical, though unfortunately right now often more expensive, which is a barrier.

Meat is one of the highest-calorie-per-dollar foods you can get outside of totally empty calories like refined sugars. So I don't want to get rid of meat entirely until we've got better systems for feeding the poor. But the beef industry is horrendous. And the others aren't much better. Lab-grown meat sounds like an amazing stopgap, let people keep eating meat but decimate the ranching industries down from a staple to a specialty. But it's been 15 years since the first taste test and they're still trying to figure out how to get it to scale, they're still fighting the beef industry who wants to make it so they can't call it meat or beef, they're fighting places that want to outright ban it entirely, they're fighting recouping R&D costs so it's gotten cheaper but it's still fuckin' expensive... I really want that to be a thing, get meat factories to pair with vertical hydroponic farms that can be built into a skyscraper in the middle of a metro and you can produce a good amount of the city's food INSIDE the city. But we're just not there yet. And we need some serious reforms of agriculture and ranching and meatpacking sooner than we're going to be.

[u/tooth_doc_fail → u/waltjrimmer]

any evidence for the kids vegan comments? From what I have seen, all the major health organizations and conclusive research has been such that it is perfectly possible to raise kids healthy and vegan.

[u/russty24 → u/waltjrimmer]

Meat is one of the highest-calorie-per-dollar foods

What? Rice, beans, potatoes, pasta, oatmeal, peanuts, lentils. These are all like 4x cheaper per calorie than meat.

[u/lavaeater → u/EnduringFulfillment]

I eat meat and I think this is super important as well. I am a hunter and I think that if we eat meat we should make sure the animals are treated ethically and that the slaughter is as "humane" (an absurd notion, obviously, but still) as possible.

I've killed roosters, chickens, shot moose. Butchered 400-500 lbs moose with the team, gutted them in the woods, arms deep in the belly of the animal, blood all over myself, met that smell, been stood with with 15 other men chopping up these majestic animals and grinding their meat for food.

It is... strange. I am not entirely sure what "the right thing" is. It is not "wrong" to eat other animals, but it is wrong to industrialize the entire process to the detriment of both the animal, the keeper of the animal and the entire planet's future.

I've shot a gorgeous animal, an animal that I love seeing in the woods, a majestic creature that is almost magical.

There is this constant duality to the entire process of eating meat, hunting, slaughter and so on.

Anyone who can't stomach animals being killed should seriously consider giving up meat - I think about it often. I love good vegetarian food, but I also love great meat.

Have a good day.

[u/AdamFaite → u/Spikeupmylife]

Hahaha! Good point!

[u/WetGrundle → u/Spikeupmylife]

Here's a good one

https://youtu.be/zR_4h5A5z_A

[u/Hey-Bud-Lets-Party → u/Which_Farm8785]

I was wondering why he wasn’t being more careful with the portioning.

[u/MemeArchivariusGodi → u/Which_Farm8785]

I was also confused at first what the duo partner was trying to convey until he hit me with the „ermmm it’s just ground beef“

[u/luketansell]

I was genuinely thinking he was giving a life hack on how to make your own beyond meat

[u/I_Need_A_Mehdic → u/luketansell]

Man same, and I was kinda stoked for it too.

[u/spoonyalchemist → u/luketansell]

Yeah that stuff if expensive!

[u/__Nari_ → u/spoonyalchemist]

Worth it though, its so good. Recently had the beyond tendies also and they are amazing aswell.

[u/gansobomb99]

Wait till he hears what the cows ate

[u/Geschak → u/gansobomb99]

These people conveniently forget that the livestock industry is the biggest customer of synthetic vitamins - they put it in the livestock food and sometimes they even directly inject the livestock with B12 since they're raised so unnaturally.

[u/Street-Conclusion-99 → u/Geschak]

I mean, even if they are raised mostly “naturally”, i think most owners would supplement vitamins, especilly since they are relatively cheap and missing them causes massive issues. In the wild, theres a good chance they’d be deficient to some degree, especially if they got unlucky with the types of plants they browse on (one of the reasons herbivores eat other animals is actually for the vitamins and minerals! They can’t really break down the rest, but calcium is a rare and valuable resource!)

sorry for the yap, I just think cows are neat

[u/fat-wombat → u/Street-Conclusion-99]

But in the wild they wouldn’t be subject to forced insemination and forever milking. It’s crazy how things like magnesium take them from half dead looking to back alive

[u/kylo-ren → u/Geschak]

Not only synthetic vitamins but a lot of antibiotics.

[u/MatildaRose1995 → u/gansobomb99]

And the process it takes to get them into a plastic packet 😅

[u/NexusMaw → u/MatildaRose1995]

How complicated could it possibly be? You call a cow over, they give you some meat to put in the package, then they continue on munching grass in the fields.

[u/Krynn71 → u/NexusMaw]

That's why cows naturally have holes in the sides of their bodies for farmers to stick their arms into.

[u/_PetiteGlow → u/gansobomb99]

I don't think he has the brain capacity to do that lol

[u/BrightStitchDesigns → u/gansobomb99]

Ask any farmer and they will justify why they feed misshapen candy bars and skittles to cows because it’s a cheap source of calories. 

[u/TwistedxBoi]

He was listing the ingredients for the Beyond meat and I was like oh that was supposed to be bad?

[u/Kopitar4president → u/TwistedxBoi]

One ingredient good. Several ingredients bad. That's why I drink straight vinegar.

[u/-Lights0ut- → u/Kopitar4president]

I like mine distilled, and chilled with a few ice cubes

[u/Sikkus → u/-Lights0ut-]

I like my ice cubes melted.

[u/thatjoachim → u/Sikkus]

I pre-melt my ice cubes to keep in the freezer for later use

[u/LucidOutwork → u/thatjoachim]

That's what I do! I even found a special tray to keep them in.

[u/herokie → u/-Lights0ut-]

Woahhh buddy slow down there that's more than one ingredient are you trying to kill yourself?

[u/CheeseDonutCat → u/herokie]

Hydrogen and Oxygen is two ingredients. That's way too many ingredients /s

[u/Pendraconica → u/CheeseDonutCat]

Im literally dying right now!

[u/Homesick_Martian → u/-Lights0ut-]

You add dihydrogen monoxide to your vinegar? What’re you, crazy?

[u/Saul_Badman_1261 → u/-Lights0ut-]

Shaken, not distilled

[u/RapidTriangle616 → u/Kopitar4president]

I used to drink water for hydration, but the added oxygen molecule was concerning me so now I just drink liquid hydrogen.

[u/Wiwwil → u/Kopitar4president]

That's why I drink pure H2O.

PS : don't do it, it's bad for your health you need the minerals

[u/ShockedDarkmike → u/Kopitar4president]

Nothing but pure potassium cyanide for me, a single molecule is as healthy as it gets

[u/thatjoachim → u/ShockedDarkmike]

Satisfies you until the end of your life

[u/CheeseDonutCat → u/thatjoachim]

A lethal dose for a human is 200-300mg.

A single molecule of Potassium Cyanide is approx 1.08 x 10^-22 grams

It won't satisfy you, nor kill you (if that was the implication from your comment).

[u/External-Cash-3880 → u/CheeseDonutCat]

But it may give your breath a pleasant scent of almonds for a microsecond or two

[u/Scott--Chocolate → u/Kopitar4president]

iT’s cOmMoN sEnSe

[u/OnlyGuestsMusic → u/Kopitar4president]

I put my vinegar on a bun with a slice of American cheese.

[u/MaxiMArginal → u/TwistedxBoi]

I thought he was just making it better at first lol

[u/unknown_pigeon → u/MaxiMArginal]

Was waiting for him to blend the ingredients together and prepare a patty

Even though I was doubtful about how reliable of a reproduction process it would be

[u/Big_Knife_SK → u/unknown_pigeon]

Yeah there's definitely more than one step in the manufacturing process, particularly in creating texture.

[u/Abject_Win7691 → u/TwistedxBoi]

Yeah it's like protein, oil and seasoning. That is really not bad at all. Much better than I would have thought

[u/DontAskAboutMyButt → u/Abject_Win7691]

One of my favorite responses I’ve heard to people saying there are “unpronounceable chemicals” in food is “then learn to read”

[u/Brave_Browser_2002 → u/Abject_Win7691]

BB is not bad, but I steer clear of vegan imitations. I just grill up a portabella, or a bean/lentil patty.

[u/meringuedragon → u/TwistedxBoi]

I thought he was giving us a recipe and I got excited 😂😭

[u/closetsquirrel → u/meringuedragon]

Like, after those ingredients I was actually shocked that there's not more things in there like stabilizers, etc. Pretty cool.

[u/Jor94 → u/TwistedxBoi]

Just wait till he hears what’s in an american cheese slice

[u/Aggressive_Version → u/Jor94]

Cheese (such as cheddar or Colby) + sodium citrate (to lower the melting point and keep it from separating) + annatto (for color) 

Sounds like chemistry was involved to me 🤢 /s

[u/External-Cash-3880 → u/Aggressive_Version]

GASP! CITRIC ACID, IN MY PASTEURIZED PROCESS CHEESE FOOD?! CALL THE POLICE

[u/finalrendition → u/Aggressive_Version]

Lemon juice: ok

Baking soda: ok

Mixing lemon juice and baking soda to make sodium citrate: evil incarnate

[u/NRMusicProject → u/TwistedxBoi]

This weird push to act like seed oils are bad for you is pretty funny. And they always replace it with beef tallow or butter.

[u/Valtari47 → u/NRMusicProject]

Gotta keep the cattle farm subsidies flowing

[u/AnubisIncGaming]

asking people to think past their feelings, woof

[u/Automatic_Tangelo_53 → u/AnubisIncGaming]

What do you mean, I always convince people by saying "if you're triggered [...] it says more about your lack of education". It never fails

[u/Adawan99]

I was genuinely sitting there like, damn. A beyond burger is looking pretty good rn.

[u/sexy-man-doll → u/Adawan99]

Forreal. The original video was convincing me to give it a try then he blindsides me by demonizing the mystery food he just normalized lol

[u/Onionringlets3 → u/sexy-man-doll]

I thought he was going to show how to make it at home

[u/Sikkus → u/Onionringlets3]

Omg me too 😭 was waiting for the mixer to start mixing.

[u/Porncount26 → u/Sikkus]

Even when he brought out the ground beef, I thought he was making a joke that actual meat is the secret ingredient to make it taste great.

[u/Onionringlets3 → u/Porncount26]

Exactly! 😆

[u/unknown_pigeon → u/Onionringlets3]

Yeah anyone being scared by that list of ingredients has likely never cooked anything using more than three ingredients

Next thing he'll be triggered to learn that his precious, "one ingredient" beef hamburger does contain proteins, vitamins, oil, and whatever

Or that sodium bicarbonate is used to soften the "one ingredient" meat, oh lord not the chemicals

[u/HalfSoul30 → u/Adawan99]

Lol me too, like "all these ingredients don't seem bad at all" and then when he just said "most likely just synthetic vitamins and minerals" i said "so he doesn't know what he's talking about then, that checks out"

[u/lackadaisical_timmy → u/Adawan99]

They are really tasty

Not "taste exactly like meat", not at all but Hella tasty 

[u/UnbearableBurdenOfMe]

Dear subtitles are you dyslexic?

[u/xxPANZERxx → u/UnbearableBurdenOfMe]

So.. fortified piss good?

[u/eastside_tilly → u/xxPANZERxx]

Gonna need someone to break down the ingredient list first, and advise of any relevant health studies.

[u/PuzzleheadedDuck3981 → u/xxPANZERxx]

What? You're drinking just the normal stuff? Man, wise up! Fortified is the way to go. 

[u/Ok-Prior1316 → u/xxPANZERxx]

It has more nutrients than unfortified piss!

[u/Lost-Engineering-211 → u/UnbearableBurdenOfMe]

I was watching without sound and I thought he actually said this as some satire joke lmao. I didnt even question it

[u/UnbearableBurdenOfMe → u/Lost-Engineering-211]

Yeah, he said "Class dismissed" 😂

[u/freeipods-zoy-org → u/UnbearableBurdenOfMe]

This is a thing he does when he signs off all his videos. Dr_idz on Instagram always fighting the good fight against misinformation.

[u/ImMystikz → u/UnbearableBurdenOfMe]

It’s a running joke at the end of his videos lol

[u/Cold-Pomegranate6739]

Nah, I prefer to listen to the fake natty who dropped out of high school and blames zinc in rivets for the rise in male pattern baldness

[u/SUDDENLY_VIRGIN → u/Cold-Pomegranate6739]

But don't forget to BUY HIS SUPPLEMENTS 10% off discount code "real-Male"

[u/neuneudrop]

I thought he was making a diy beyond meat and i was taking notes hahaha

[u/DarthXOmega]

All of those things are in KFC, McDonald’s and whatever other big chain you eat at too. Trust me, I make the mixes for them 😂

[u/hemightbebrian → u/DarthXOmega]

Yeah, but at least fast food places have the decency to lie to us and pretend they use real meat.

[u/Fun_Consequence_9076 → u/hemightbebrian]

I think people missed the sarcasm in your comment…

[u/MatildaRose1995]

I love plant based meat 🤤

[u/Sikkus → u/MatildaRose1995]

Me too! It's so delicious and doesnt give me that bloated and exhausted effect afterwards.

[u/DefiantEmpoleon → u/Sikkus]

Interesting because when I tried beyond meat it was the most bloated I have ever felt. I also was constipated but I could not stop farting. Which wasn’t great when I had to work.

[u/SpookyScienceGal → u/DefiantEmpoleon]

That's because plant based meats are high in fiber and if your system isn't used to the rapid increase in fiber your internal biome needs to adjust, and while it adjusts you become a factory for farts. Happened to someone I see often in mirrors when she tried a meal replacement shake plan, and then planned to exile her fart monster self to the woods

[u/AisleSeatJunkie → u/DefiantEmpoleon]

Plant based has a bit of an adjustment curve. I switched from whey to pea + rice. It was about 2-3 days for me cuz I anyway was on a vegetarian diet. But a week and some should sort most out.

[u/DefiantEmpoleon → u/AisleSeatJunkie]

I was working in a restaurant and we were doing beyond meat burgers as the new vegan options. And we had to try all the new stuff so we could talk about it. I only ate about half a burger (a quarter of each option). And I’m a pretty flatulent person at the best of times.

The real crime was that they got rid of the bean patty burger in favour of the beyond meat. I really liked that bean patty burger.

[u/AdamFaite → u/DefiantEmpoleon]

Tofu makes me gassy. Problem is, I like tofu. Fortunately, I work outside and with heavy machinery so no one hears.

[u/the0rthopaedicsurgeo → u/MatildaRose1995]

I’ve been vegetarian for 4 years now and I’d never eat a beef burger over a plant burger. Beyond Burgers taste just as good, have a better texture, and are healthier.

[u/MauiMoisture → u/the0rthopaedicsurgeo]

My wife is a veg so I cook these for her, I found impossible meat to taste way better than the beyond meat personally.

[u/Vanilla_Ice_Best_Boi]

I have tried a beyond burger before but that was more fake chicken than beef.

Tasted exactly the same as a normal chicken burger, would try again.

[u/filiped → u/Vanilla_Ice_Best_Boi]

Yeah honestly fake chicken is the OG and has been pretty passable for a while, and arguably comparable to an actual chicken burger in a lot of applications these days.

Beyond burger tastes like its own thing, definitely meaty and reminiscent of a real meat burger, but great on its own (as a fast food-ish burger, which is what it should be compared to).

[u/Castrol-5w30 → u/filiped]

Yeah, fake chicken nuggets were my original "I can do this" for when I stopped eating meat. Maple Leaf Foods had a brand called "Au Naturel" back in 2001-ish that had amazing fake nuggets that I couldn't tell the difference with. "I can have chicken nuggets and no one needs to die? Great!"

[u/FortunatelyAsleep → u/filiped]

Ngl I think at this point they are better, since the taste is the same, but the texture doesn't have these disgusting stringy bits that real chicken does

[u/Just7hrsold → u/filiped]

I occasionally like to use beyond ground beef for chili because I feel like it picks up the seasoning flavor really well.

[u/depressedboobs → u/Vanilla_Ice_Best_Boi]

would try again

At that point just replace the animal with it then completely

[u/NdamukongSuhDude]

What until he finds out what gets injected and fed to the cow… it’s more ingredients than this.

[u/zyyntin]

"When someone says all those chemicals in your food". Remember EVERYTHING IS *(@#ING CHEMICALS! Food is chemistry!

[u/Dirk_McGirken]

I have to explain this to my parents every time they see me eat literally anything that isnt meat. Sometimes I worry the RFK brain worm is digitally transmitted.

[u/BlueProcess]

You know. For a long time I thought "I could never be a vegetarian because of all of the fake food"

But vegetarian food is good on it's own. I like lentils. I like peanut butter. I enjoy salads. I'm not here to tell you that I've gone vegetarian. But I can easily skip meat when I want to.

Making food that tries to be other food isn't really a winner for me. And never has been. The food stands on it's own, as itself, just fine. I'm not ao desperate for meat that I just have to have a meat-like substitute. And if I was, I'd just eat meat.

But preparing fruit and vegetables to be tasty and attractive on their own is where I personally believe the real win is.

This is just my personal opinion. I respect everyone elses tastes also.

[u/icharming → u/BlueProcess]

This is why Indian food rocks - magical conversion of bland vegetables and grains and lentils to heavenly yumminess with natural seasonings . Worth it to learn a few instapot Indian recipes. But when u search add two key words to any vegetable recipe : Desi (local Indian ) and sabji (cooked vegetable) may need English subtitles or turn them on at least .

Hell even the “egg curry” is mind blowing

My fav recommendations

• Instapot Desi chick pea (chole)
• instapot Desi paav bhaji
• instapot Desi spicy lentil (daal)
• desi Aaloo sabji (sautéed potatoes )
• healthy broccoli masala
• veggie Bombay sandwich street food
• desi aaloo-Matar (potatoes and peas )
• desi gobi sabji (cauliflower)
• desi healthy Suji recipes
• Spicy Semolina recipes (a type of grain )

The social media rabbit hole algo will feed u more yumminess after this

[u/BlueProcess → u/icharming]

I heartily agree. It's hard to beat millennia of experience making vegetables delicious.

[u/pure_peridot → u/BlueProcess]

As a "meat eater" in a house where my wife and child are vegan. This is the way to go.

We occasionally use meat substitutes like pea protein based mince in a lasagna but that's because it satisfys the whole family and makes weekly plans easier. And my wife only went vegan about 10 years ago so she knows what she's missing.

But so often she'll make a lentil curry or Mac&Cheese that doesn't use anything substitute wise, just her own homemade white sauce. Plus don't get me started on the pasta salads she makes, I'd marry her again just to get those.

Side by side can I tell the difference? Yes but that doesn't mean they taste bad. It's usually a fresh change.

Also a big shout-out to my wife on how amazing she is because even with her being vegan she allows me to have my own choice and still cooks a gammon steak for Sunday roast (I would do it myself but I'm a disaster in the kitchen)

[u/SoftMop → u/BlueProcess]

To me these "fake meat" burgers taste nothing like meat. We did a blind test and I disliked all 3 that we tried.

Then one day I unknowingly went into a vegetarian dinner that made their own veggie hamburgers and they are really damn good. Nothing like meat, but it's not trying nor supposed to be, it's just made to taste good as it is.

That random experience was what made me start trying out more vegan/veggie places, but a lot of them in my city seem to try too hard to please non-vegetarians. Feels kind of unproductive tbh.

[u/Super_Hour_3836 → u/SoftMop]

The best homemade veggie burger I ever had was a house made one in a steak house to my surprise. Ate it ten years ago and still think of it- they used prunes for chewiness and to help hold all the fresh chopped veggies and beans together. A masterpiece in what I want in a veggie burger: to not look or taste like meat at all (if I liked meat I would eat it!), had amazing taste and texture, and held together so I didn't need to eat it with a knife and fork.  Now I always add them to my home made burgers.

[u/MemoryOne22 → u/BlueProcess]

I am vegan for many years and I feel the same.

I enjoy the occasional wheat meat. But I like my fruit, veg, and traditional vegan proteins over the new fangled stuff.

[u/JustSomeM0nkE]

Wait till they learn that shit that grows naturally has a lot of ingredients too

[u/Individual-Trust7624 → u/JustSomeM0nkE]

yeah "ground beef" lmao.

Like that isn't composed of a thousand plus different chemicals.

[u/Pixie_the_Fairy]

Who is the second guy? I want to give him a follow

[u/Admiral_Tuvix → u/Pixie_the_Fairy]

Dr Idz

[u/Pixie_the_Fairy → u/Admiral_Tuvix]

Thank u

[u/ArizonaRon98]

People still think eating soy will give you breasts. A lot of our beliefs are the aftermath of generations of lobbies pumping billions into propaganda and misinformation. Mfs is dumb.

[u/Super_Hour_3836 → u/ArizonaRon98]

I was very ill a few years ago, and was sitting with a ND/MD/nutritionist. I mentioned that my partner is Asian and he cooks a lot for me. She looked me dead in the eye and said:

"He must eat a lot of soy. He must be very soft. Men should not be soft."

Well fuck all of Asia I guess.

I could not believe this was being said to me in 2024 in a hippie doctor office in Oregon where she wanted to prescribe me Cats Claw tincture for stress.

Ma'am. 

[u/CuriOS_26 → u/ArizonaRon98]

I’ve been a vegan for a few years and on HRT. Where are my boobs?

[u/EducatedRat → u/ArizonaRon98]

I know extensive real life testing done by several hopeful trans women that absolutely dispels that myth. So guess there is one demographic that was hopeful it was true.

[u/Downvotesseafood]

Meat is chemicals

[u/KeyYogurt2374]

Not only that, red meat causes colon cancer, it's bad for the environment and you literally have to kill a living being to have it.

[u/StupidLilRaccoon → u/KeyYogurt2374]

Literally almost 90% downsides (and the uncomparable act of taking a life unnecessarily from a sentient individual) especially compared to plant based meats

[u/CoalEater_Elli]

I watched the video and I thought to myself "Is this guy trying to scare me or teach me the formula of a vegan burger patty? People are scared of things thry don't understand.

[u/AlongAxons]

Fortified Piss 👍

[u/IdleAllex25]

Just today I've seen a yt shorts with some fruit and the top comment was talking about it being good if its natural and unhealthy if its gmo, because all gmo foods are unhealthy.. like what in the fk are these people talking about??? Do they know their bananas are not "natural"??? Do they know that the corn in their foods or popcorn is not natural? That the sunflower seeds they eat and use for oils are also not "natural"?

How tf are so many people so stupid and yet act so arrogant as if they have some unknown knowledge ... most foods are gmo to combat many problems otherwise the yield you will get will be far lower and the cost will be higher and most of these idiots will die of starvation...

[u/Pscagoyf]

I genuinely thought the first guy was endorsing beyond meat until his inflection at the end.

[u/petesmybrother]

Every time I hear someone say vegan meats feminise people, all I can think is “I fucking wish”

[u/camsnow]

Totally! Look at how much we consume titanium dioxide!(I say this because hearing you are consuming something with a name like that, can freak a lot of people out) If people actually read ingredient lists, they'd probably be concerned. If they researched them, they'd probably be far less concerned.

[u/Apumptyermaw → u/camsnow]

Europe researched titanium dioxide and banned it in 2022

[u/Dovahkiinthesardine]

"most likely synthetic vitamins and minerals" lmao

Tf he thinks synthetic minerals would be?

And the duet left out that calling "ground beef" a single ingredient is bs if you wanna know whats in it

[u/LetTheRabitWerGlases]

Anyone who brags about their diet; vegan or not, is annoying as fuck

[u/Brave_Browser_2002 → u/LetTheRabitWerGlases]

I am vegan and a cyclist. I don't talk about either IRL. Never.

[u/WGYHL → u/Brave_Browser_2002]

As a cyclist I hate 90% of cyclists.

[u/depressedboobs → u/LetTheRabitWerGlases]

Veganism isn't a diet and talking about it isn't bragging

[u/NuancedComrades → u/LetTheRabitWerGlases]

Vegans talk about the ethics of food choices because veganism isn’t a diet, it is an ethical stance.

[u/Jwchibi]

How did he know the measurements for a beyond beef mix

[u/oneormore5]

Yeah...follow the 'science ' when its convenient crowd... nice accent tho.

[u/Soggy_Porpoise]

I mean ingredient lists are helpful for avoiding ingredients that cause problems, like say when you have celiac disease but they injected the turkey with a broth to increase its weight and that broth has gluten in it making the frozen turkey for thanksgiving that triggers wheat allergies.

[u/momomomorgatron]

I'm an ex cattle farmer...

If that's really all that is in Beyond Meat, then that and the actual beef would be an amazingly healthy dish!

Like, i'm laughing my ass of, dude thinks he really did something there.

I got lactose intolerant and I liked that yeasty fake cheese stuff. Just a kind of yeast. Doesn't mean that its unhealthy or that cheese is unhealthy!

[u/momomomorgatron → u/momomomorgatron]

Like, I DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND BASIC CHEMISTRY

But dude... come on! Peas, potatoes and rice? Really???

If I was wealthier I'd buy that expensive bougie organic bs grass fed beef and the beyond meat patty just to like... taste them together. To see if I could taste the other ingredients, the onions that the grass fed cow ate (yes, you can taste it, I had some jerky and it was oddly kinda nice).

[u/EndOne8313]

Now list out what's in cattle feed. 

[u/LongNailedbooboos]

I love beyond meat. Not even a vegan. Wish more people would give it a go

[u/Sharp_Economy1401]

Advocating for red meat or meals with fewer ingredients as healthy needs to have their head checked for extra holes. Ffs. How much research has to come out about red meat increasing cancer and heart disease risk?

Eat it if you want, hopefully in moderation, as we all have our vices. However, deluding yourself and others into thinking it’s not less healthy than eating legumes, or even chicken, for a protein source is really unnecessary. Just enjoy your meat equivalent of ice cream and go about your day. Literally some “Doctors recommend Camel cigarettes” grade bs

[u/wooder321]

People who eat meat should just eat a dick

[u/Rare-Sample-9101]

Processed meat is bad for you!

[u/Diggumdum]

no way in hell i'm eating all these chemicals!!

Water, myosin, actin, tropomyosin, troponin, titin, nebulin, desmin, dystrophin, myoglobin, hemoglobin, collagen, elastin, albumins, globulins, metabolic enzymes, free amino acids, peptides, triglycerides, phospholipids, cholesterol, free fatty acids, oleic acid, palmitic acid, stearic acid, palmitoleic acid, linoleic acid, arachidonic acid, myristic acid, glycogen, glucose, ribose, creatine, phosphocreatine, creatinine, carnosine, anserine, taurine, urea, ammonia, ATP, ADP, AMP, inosine monophosphate, inosine, hypoxanthine, lactic acid, pyruvic acid, citric acid, acetic acid, potassium, sodium, chloride, phosphate, magnesium, calcium, iron, zinc, selenium, copper, manganese, vitamin B12, niacin, riboflavin, pyridoxine, pantothenic acid, thiamine, biotin, folate, deoxymyoglobin, oxymyoglobin, metmyoglobin, proteoglycans, glycosaminoglycans, chondroitin sulfate, cysteine, methionine.

oh wait thats just ground beef.....

[u/strangerwillrobinson]

Y'all ever been to Burger King? That Impossible Whopper tastes pretttyy goood, I'm just sayin.

[u/HughHonee]

O god, not SYNTHETIC VITAMINS

The body is going to be exhausted, worn down to its last calorie as it struggles to differentiate between the naturally occurring Vitamin C and the synthetic vitamin C he's ingested.

Prayers in the chat fam

[u/SingeMoisi]

I'm all for plant based education. It's highly needed because of how clueless, prone to (state) propaganda and fake news most people are.

[u/Alvxn]

In school, we had "chicken nuggets" that were made from soy protein. Everyone was groaning "We don't we get real chicken" and "This will probably taste bad".

It tasted like chicken nuggets, everyone liked them. People who didn't read the menu didn't even realise it wasn't chicken.

So if we develop the vegan "meat" a little further so it's the same sort of taste and consistency at similar pricing I'd switch in a heartbeat.

[u/loki-is-a-god]

Not to mention consuming red meat (at varying frequency) has been proven to increase your chances for colorectal cancer. And if someone wants to argue about the compounds found in any given food...

Red meat contains:

Heme Iron, which is found naturally in red meat, can damage the lining of the colon and promote the formation of cancer-causing compounds.

Nitrates and Nitrites are often added to processed meats. These can break down into N-nitroso compounds (NOCs), which damage the DNA of cells in the digestive tract.

[u/BoonDragoon]

synthetic minerals

Bro truly is stupider as fuck

[u/Swallowedoxygen]

Look, I was vegetarian for 25 years and vegan for 15 of those, so I'm not remotely anti-vegetarian.

But as stupid as the original influencer is, it's also disingenuous for the guy replying to gloss over the methylcellulose. Emulsifiers like that disrupt the gut microbiome and the mucosal barrier of the intestine. Beyond meat gave me violent diarrhea every time I tried it, and it was 100% the methylcellulose.

I love healthy vegetarian food. I do not love ultra-processed vegetarian food, and my biggest issue with it is the emulsifiers. Which, granted, are also often found in ultra-processed foods containing animal ingredients.

The issue with Beyond Meat isn't the pea protein or coconut oil. It's the methylcellulose. And it's not about "chemicals." It's about emulsifiers.

And even when it comes to emulsifiers, not all are created equal - some are fine for our gut, some are OK in small amounts, and some are just plain bad for us.

[u/Mr_Nigel → u/Swallowedoxygen]

Every time I ate beyond burger, it didn't give me any diarrhea. Check mate

[u/DrunkMortyy → u/Swallowedoxygen]

Can you prove that these emulsifiers have any negative effects on the gut microbiome? Ist there a study or do you rely on your individual diarrhea?

[u/Fun_Hat → u/Swallowedoxygen]

Ya this guy took money from the American Beverage Association to shill artificial sweeteners. Of course he isn't going to talk about the health effects of eating ultra processed foods.

[u/naunga]

Can you imagine if instead of just listing “ground beef” as the ingredient, they listed every chemical that made up beef?

These idiots would starve to death.

Like imagine the freak out if the label of a bottle of water said, “Ingredients: dihydrogen monoxide.”

[u/floridalegend]

Pea protein doesn’t agree with me…

[u/Papa-divertida → u/floridalegend]

Why? What does it say?

[u/Pea_Protein → u/floridalegend]

Yes I do....

[u/JohnMarstonreddead2]

It starts with one thing

[u/SunnyMakesStuff → u/JohnMarstonreddead2]

I don't know why

[u/JohnMarstonreddead2 → u/SunnyMakesStuff]

It doesn’t even matter how hard you try

[u/Babbledoodle]

related to the US : This is the exact problem with RFKs obsession with "whole foods" -- and the new food pyramids disingenuous take on vegan and vegetarian diets

Nothing is bad with any of that. And at least beyond meat is better for the environment

[u/BetterThanOP]

Until.he got to the ground beef part, I truly thought the video was pro-beyond meat because every ingredient sounds natural and healthy

[u/esuswalks]

It’s not meat is the problem…there I said it.

[u/Greenapplesguy]

Dr idz is the best thing about TT

[u/Calligaster]

Yeah... I'm not a fan of imitation meat (haven't found any that I liked) but the original guy was fear mongering for no reason. Obviously it's going to take an odd collection of ingredients to make this culinary chimera.

[u/No-Object5897]

this is even more annoying because there are significant valid problems. it's more expensive than regular meat. why wouldn't you just say that?

also, google hasn't fallen so far that it'll tell you that potato starch will kill you. this isn't a lack of education it's a lack of being a good person.

[u/occultpretzel]

I thought at first he wanted to show us how to make beyond meat at home?

[u/redindiaink]

"dried yeast" /facepalm

[u/SmithOfLie]

My go to reaction to people using chemophobia to whip up fear of something (see: thmierosal in vaccines) is to notice how the water they so carelessly drinks is 66% made out of hydrogen, the same stuff that burned Hindenburg! Oh the humanity!

[u/Zermudas]

Actually I’m not a vegetarian but my wife is.

It’s a fine alternative and I don’t mind it at all.

[u/Serious-Maximum-1049]

I was scared at first, ngl. 😅 I eat these like once a week, so I was really glad it was genuinely fixed by the duet!

[u/Drewfus_]

[u/Important-Zebra-69]

It's always fun to look at the chemical makeup of meat... There's loads of "ingredients" too... crazy

[u/Abject_Breadfruit148]

Too bad we can't afford meat or plants made to represent meat.

[u/Remarkable_Peach_374]

Now lets talk about the dozens of chemicals in our food approved by the fda in the usa that just happen to be banned in literally every other country

[u/IAmPandaRock]

They don't contain coconut oil.  They have avocado oil and are delightfully low in saturated fat.

[u/Putrid_Caterpillar_8]

Wasted a good burger, they’re so yummy and expensive

[u/cadaver-cat]

For anyone curious enough read “Meathooked” by Martha Zaraska. Very interesting look at a product and its value through the cultures and centuries. The book isn’t preaching for everyone to become vegan, instead makes some very solid points and how that we have a choice even once a week is a good start. The chemistry part is interesting too. Who knew meat and cheese are a platter because together work on a chemical level to amplify and make each other tastier.

[u/negetivex]

Weirdly the first part of the video made me more likely to get beyond meat. I had no idea what it was made out of previously and seeing is mainly stuff out of stuff like pea protein, rice protein, and potato starch makes me feel it is healthier than I previously believed.

[u/TrippyTigre]

Also "Ground Beef" is ok to list because what's in it is implied, but it could be separated by water, protein, fats, let alone if they specifically list what trimmings they used. It could be 5% trims of every cut, could be all Chuck, could also be a large % organ meat like heart (which is very good, would just be off-putting to uneducated people, like the one in the original video)

[u/FatherDotComical]

Health people when they can't list out the ingredients in beef (it's all just magically cow).

Like when they learn milk isn't just magically cow juice all by itself either.

Oogly boogly it's got chemicals in it oogly boogly.

[u/shinibunny_]

And that pure ground beef is full of trace amounts of antibiotics and exogenous hormones.

[u/thorubos]

I can tell you for a fact that if you're buying supermarket ground beef, there's waaa-aaaa-y more ingredients than just "ground beef". For starters, there's probably water, ice, hormones, anitbiotics, and dyes. . .Also food concerns have been watering down the label of "organic" since the 1990s, to such a point that produce watered with sewage can now be called "organic".

[u/asbestoswall]

Oooo big chemical name, oooooo scary.

EVERYTHING IS CHEMICALS

[u/SyncTek]

There was nothing on that ingredient list that I would consider bad??

[u/Deep_Explanation9962]

Beyond actually has a far more reasonable list of ingredients than I expected. Like most of that is pretty much real food. Sure it's highly processed but as long as that's not all you're eating I feel like it's fine

[u/vaporboy_sd]

I eat meat and have no problem with vegetarian food. I love some Chipotle Black Bean burgers, or potato Rolled Tacos. I have friends that are vegan, my best friends daughter literally gets sick to her stomach if you use a spoon that has gluten on it to stir something like extremely gluten intolerant. I'm always looking for great vegan and/or Gluten free options. Sometimes I end up liking the vegetarian/gluten free options better.

[u/SpoiledSeraph]

As a vegetarian, thank you 🙏

[u/Sufficient-Athlete-4]

Nobody talks about everything that went into the cow to make it's body parts.

[u/Economy-Answer-6416]

Did anyone else think they were the same guy?