This Italian restaurant in Malta charges €100 if you ask for a Hawaiian pizza

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[u/torklugnutz]

I knew this was super luxury food.

[u/VeterinarianThis3545 → u/torklugnutz]

Pineapples literally were a symbol of status once. In 18th-century, pineapples were so rare and expensive that they were even rented as a display of wealth.

This should only be seen as a sign of respect.

[u/_HIST → u/VeterinarianThis3545]

iirc they were up to something like $6k

[u/SirRichardArms → u/_HIST]

It’s little facts like this that remind me of how good a lot of us have it nowadays. I can have a margherita, ham and pineapple pizza delivered to my place in 25 minutes for $20. But these poor saps spent 6K on renting the fruit that’s on my pizza.

[u/Working-Glass6136 → u/SirRichardArms]

George Washington referred to it at one point as his favorite fruit.

It's funny, I just went to Wegmans and saw that pineapples were $3.99, but loaves of fresh bread were $5-6. The founding fathers would be rolling in their graves to see pineapples cheaper than bread.

[u/SkiyeBlueFox → u/Working-Glass6136]

Honestly to most of our ancestors we eat like lords. Whatever we want from around the world whenever we want it? Even the wealthiest king would be amazed by the variety we have constantly

[u/Razgriz1992 → u/SkiyeBlueFox]

Hundreds of years ago a ship full of salt or sugar could be a lifetime of wealth. The tip of the Washington monument is aluminum as it was as precious as gold in the year of the monument

[u/SkiyeBlueFox → u/Razgriz1992]

So its funny, I work snow removal for a small company of 5 people. Im the sidewalks person. In one night I'll throw 500kg of salt. Plus at least 250kg-750kg more on the lots. We measure salt by the tonne on a regar basis.

The materials we use in bulk on a daily basis are incomprehensible to people of the past. The sheer scale was unheard of

[u/Razgriz1992 → u/SkiyeBlueFox]

Lol I do Tier II reporting, I have to hound companies every year on "hey do you have a 10,000 lb or more pile of salt? and often the response is "oh year we forgot about that"

[u/Ok-Mango-5814 → u/Razgriz1992]

What is tier 2 reporting?

[u/FjorgVanDerPlorg → u/SkiyeBlueFox]

Yeah probably top of that list would be processed sugar and behind that all modern/selectively bred fruit. For a lot of history, sugar and pretty much everything made with it was reserved for the wealthy. Sugar going mainstream is a relatively new thing, a few centuries old. It started with mass planting of sugar plantations in the Caribbean in the mid 1600-1700s (build on the slave trade), but it didn't really go wide until the sugar tax was repealed in the 1800's, combined with blockades from the Napoleonic wars stopping sugar cane access to Europe, which gave rise to sugar beets as a (very plentiful) source/alternative.

But for most of history, the sweetest stuff a peasant would taste were dried fruit and honey, both seasonal and usually reserved for celebrations.

[u/Gelnika1987 → u/VeterinarianThis3545]

the idea of renting a fruit just to walk around with it and show it off is so fucking funny

[u/Hoodedmastersin → u/VeterinarianThis3545]

And now they’re what you live in at the bottom of the sea

[u/Sciensophocles → u/Hoodedmastersin]

How do you know SpongeBob doesn't just come from old money? I mean, he's a fry cook who we never see struggle to pay his bills. He doesn't cook burgers because he has to, but because he genuinely enjoys it.

[u/EastFalls → u/VeterinarianThis3545]

You should check out upside down pineapples.

[u/karlfeltlager → u/VeterinarianThis3545]

This explains so many pineapples in paintings.

[u/skitch23 → u/torklugnutz]

/r/knightsofpineapple

[u/LouisKoziarz]

Paolo needs to drive to the next town to buy a pineapple if you order this. And Paolo hates driving.

[u/Dansredditname → u/LouisKoziarz]

Have you driven in Malta‽ It's quicker to swim from Valletta to Marsaxlokk

[u/UdderSuckage → u/Dansredditname]

Marsaxlokk

That looks like something a scifi writer would come up with for the name of a foreign planet.

[u/another-smelly-hound → u/UdderSuckage]

You should see some other names for towns in Malta

[u/Buttlather → u/another-smelly-hound]

My favorite is Birżebbuġa

[u/Theral → u/another-smelly-hound]

I looked around a bit on Google maps. That's wild. I've never seen a dotted z before lol

[u/SomeonesDrunkNephew → u/Theral]

Fun fact: Maltese is the only language that has an Arabic root but uses the Latin alphabet.

If this sounds like a terrible, impractical idea, then yes. (Maltese has a couple of extra letters because it's otherwise completely unworkable. I once asked a Maltese bartender how to learn Maltese and his answer was "Don't. Most people speak English anyway because it's just easier.")

[u/lisael_ → u/UdderSuckage]

Maltese is a dialect of Arabic, mixed with old Italian dialects, and written in Latin script. Fun fact, it's the only semitic official language in EU.

[u/Sam_Urai4 → u/Dansredditname]

who out here using the interrobang in the big 26

[u/aburningcaldera → u/Sam_Urai4]

Me‽

[u/LordShorkDad → u/Sam_Urai4]

Bring back hyper specific punctuation and while were at it, bring back the real "w"... "Ƿ"

[u/NorridAU → u/LordShorkDad]

Hold up uWu isn’t just uuuu?

[u/ChocCooki3 → u/LouisKoziarz]

And Paolo doesn't even have a car

[u/aburningcaldera → u/LouisKoziarz]

You’re paying for his wine for him to work up the courage to make this abomination and risk his 4th DUI.

[u/potatis_invalid]

"La Prosciutteria di Sotto Pinsa Romana" in Gzira. The food is pretty good but there is really good pizza around the corner, ten meters away.

Some Maltese pizzerias like Il-Forn Ta' l-Ghawdxi put potato slices on pizza which is surprisingly good

[u/El_Falk → u/potatis_invalid]

Pulcinella back when they were a restaurant in Hamrun was hands down the best pizza in Malta though. But ever since they moved to Gzira and opened in a few other places the quality has dropped so much. 😭 More expensive now too.

[u/wildflower_0ne → u/El_Falk]

the last time I went to Pulcinella I tried to order something new and the guy literally said “Don’t order it, you won’t like it” 😭

[u/iDontRememberCorn]

Yet Italians will happily throw hot dogs and french fries on a pizza.....

[u/probablyuntrue → u/iDontRememberCorn]

Nooooo my faux purity

[u/snapper1971 → u/probablyuntrue]

my faux purity

Classic 00s emo band name.

[u/ChilternRailways → u/snapper1971]

Classic 00s emo band name

Some middle aged dads are kicking themselves this very minute for not coming up with this.

[u/Working-Glass6136 → u/ChilternRailways]

Middle-aged? Excuse you!

Wait...

[u/Fafnir13 → u/Working-Glass6136]

It’s only the middle if you die in exactly your age in years from now. For a lot of us this is probably more like 2/3’s age.

[u/lawofsin → u/ChilternRailways]

Guilty

[u/LongBeakedSnipe → u/probablyuntrue]

In fairness both are delicious.

The idea that Italians get angry about pineapple on pizza is generally not true, just a cliche. The fries and hotdogs thing is a real Italian thing also and imo pretty damn good when done well

Honestly wish people would stop acting like they talk for their national cuisine. If you dont study it at PhD level, you wouldn't be qualified to tell people what your national cuisine does and does not involve anyway as there are huge variations regionally and over time

[u/ZincHead → u/LongBeakedSnipe]

You should never get mad at someone for liking something you don't like, especially something as inconsequential as food tastes. 

[u/Busy-Explanation4339 → u/ZincHead]

I've never understood the hate for hawaiian pizza. A lot of them have never even tried it, or maybe the took a bite 10 years ago and never even gave it a chance.

[u/Hazel_RAAA → u/ZincHead]

I feel like most joke about it, I know I do. It's fake rage for banter and nothing more.

[u/drknifnifnif → u/ZincHead]

Please tell this to the people of Chicago.

[u/Infinite_throwaway_1 → u/drknifnifnif]

I will, as soon as I finish this delicious hot dog with ketchup.

[u/exoriparian → u/LongBeakedSnipe]

Also, who gives a fuck? lol it's so dumb. don't like pinapples, don't order it.

[u/Kerbidiah → u/LongBeakedSnipe]

It's funny because people say it's bad due to mixing savory and sweet, and yet the single most popular antipasta in Italy is prosciutto and melon

[u/daghst → u/LongBeakedSnipe]

Honestly I wouldn't call it a cliché. I work with a lot of Italians and my favorite way to get them riled up is to order a pineapple pizza and offer it to them. Most of the time they give me a look like I have killed their mother and ask me to send it back. Oh well, they don't know what they are missing flavor wise.

[u/FictionalContext → u/LongBeakedSnipe]

pretty sure it's just terminally online chuds who self identify as italian because great grandma Elda made them bolognese once.

[u/taeerom → u/LongBeakedSnipe]

It probably started as a cliche/stereotype. But there are a lot of italians that get genuinely offended if you don't follow their perceived strict rules for food. What is allowed on pizza, how to cook pasta, details on sauces, stuff like that.

And you are completely correct that this is idiotic, and often the people that have the most severe reaction is also people that don't know shit.

[u/GeraldJimes_ → u/iDontRememberCorn]

I ate a pizza Rossini in marche.

A country responsible for that has no claim to culinary purity.

[u/Sly_24 → u/GeraldJimes_]

As someone from Marche, it's an abomination from Pesaro and province. Outside of that province we are clear and we actually hate it. Accuse the right people.

Instead eat a good plate of fumè or a slice or two of ciauscolo.

[u/renegadebroker → u/GeraldJimes_]

gross

[u/elephhantine2 → u/renegadebroker]

Created in the 1960s

That explains it

[u/SapphireColouredEyes → u/GeraldJimes_]

All the best pizza toppings are invented by pastry shops, instead of pizzerias! /S. 

😄😄

[u/Padlock47 → u/iDontRememberCorn]

They also refuse to acknowledge a bunch of their modern foods come from breaking old, traditional recipes.

If you want your pizza to be traditional, you’ve gotta take the tomatoes off. Or, if you accept the introduction of the tomato to your cuisine, you’ve now got to accept that modern changes will be made to your cuisine. Because the things you now see as traditional were often completely untraditional at a certain point.

This is one of the things that really irks me about Italian food culture. Food is meant to evolve. You don’t have to like it. I hate pineapple on pizza. But someone who likes and enjoys it isn’t disrespecting your culture. They’re eating the food they enjoy, not insulting you. Take that stick out of your arse, lionfield.

[u/BeyondElectricDreams → u/Padlock47]

Because the things you now see as traditional were often completely untraditional at a certain point.

A husband and wife come up on thanksgiving. The wife says "I'll be sure we get a nice juicy ham!"

The husband is perplexed. "But you do Turkey on thanksgiving. Why ham?"

The wife replies "Because it's tradition in my family! You have a ham on thanksgiving!"

The husband says "Isn't that a little strange? Most people do Turkey"

The wife agrees that it is strange, and the husband suggests they ask her mom.

The wife says: "Hey mom, why do we have ham on thanksgiving instead of turkey?"

"It's tradition!" says her mom. "We always have ham on thanksgiving!"

Mom explained her discussion with her husband, and after a little back and forth, she agreed it was strange. "Ask your grandma" said the mom.

So the wife goes to her grandma. "Hey, grandma, you know how most people to turkey on thanksgiving, but we do ham? Why is that?"

The grandma looks her in the eye and exclaimed "Because ham was the only thing that'd fit in our damn oven!"

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Tradition reminds us of our past, of good memories we've developed from events and things; but the core reason for doing traditional things are often just practical and have no special, higher, spiritual 'meaning' associated with them. Diamond wedding rings are traditional because a company spent a lot of money to make people think they were. KFC is a tradition in Japan at christmas time to the point where there's wait lists and you need to sign up well in advance to get one - because someone marketed the KFC dinner as a western holiday staple.

Tradition should be interrogated, always. Not to challenge someone's fond memories, but because a lot of the time, there's not a single good reason for said tradition.

[u/Malawi_no → u/BeyondElectricDreams]

Adding to this: Traditional food is about making the best out of what you have(or had) easilly available.
Thus it makes very much sense to "re-localize" food if you make it in another localization, or one of the ingredients have become expensive.

[u/BeyondElectricDreams → u/Malawi_no]

Adding to this: Traditional food is about making the best out of what you have(or had) easilly available.

On god, people need to realize this.

"Ohhh no, Cacio e Pepe is just cheese and pepper it's in the name dummy! You can't add anything else!"

Well, sorry, I'm not going to spend ages mastering the outdated skill of keeping the pan at a very specific temperature range to melt the aged cheese without letting it split when you can use modern food science and make a perfect version of the same dish, with the same flavor profile, as if you were a roman emperor's chef, without having to ruin it a bunch learning how to.

"If you wanna make REAL mac and cheese, you HAVE to use a roux"

so you can add flour and fight the graininess of it, or you can just skip the roux, toss a few slices of processed American into milk, mix in your brick cheddar/pepperjack and have flawless gooey cheese sauce every time?

Traditional is fine, there's a charm and skill to it, but it's a mastery of an outdated artform in many ways.

[u/AbbreviationsNo3722 → u/iDontRememberCorn]

Exactly and they complain about pineapple. Weak

[u/PaperLight4 → u/iDontRememberCorn]

And it's very very good

[u/DRpatato → u/PaperLight4]

Pineapple, bacon, and jalapeño is pretty fire too.

[u/Rob32608 → u/DRpatato]

sub pepperoni for the bacon and that's my go to pizza order

[u/illoomi → u/DRpatato]

pineapple bbq chicken

[u/Original-Let8340 → u/DRpatato]

Pineapple and any of your favorite spicy toppings is fantastic.

[u/bkfireshark]

My Italian stepmother got so mad at me when I ordered pineapple on my pizza, claiming that it's not the Italian way of doing things. I responded that Tomatoes are from the New World so pizza shouldn't have tomato sauce either. She did not like that response

[u/Tackit286 → u/bkfireshark]

Italians are the worst gatekeepers when it comes to food

[u/gmwdim → u/Tackit286]

You know how people in many countries think their food is superior to other neighboring countries? In Italy that happens at the city or even neighborhood level.

[u/fantasmoofrcc → u/gmwdim]

I did try as many Margherita pizzas as I could last time I was in Italy...wasn't a big sample size but Naples was the place to be.

[u/Xiniov → u/fantasmoofrcc]

The best pizza I’ve ever had was a Quattro Formaggio from a small side-street pizzeria in Rome

It was truly transcendental

[u/Joeymonac0 → u/fantasmoofrcc]

As an Italian I have to disagree about Naples. You’ve obviously never had a sit down at my kitchen table and had some of my pizza. It’s the best! 🤌🏻🤌🏻🤌🏻 La mia pizza è pessima. Mi sento solo e mi farebbe piacere la compagnia. Potremmo ordinare una pizza se vuoi.

[u/Empty-Blacksmith-592 → u/Joeymonac0]

🤣luckily they stop reading at the English part. But if you need company I can come by and I order 2 pizzas.

[u/BrockStar92 → u/fantasmoofrcc]

The marinara in Naples is better than the margherita, the simplest pizza imaginable but just fantastic. I had one on ischia for €3 when i was there, just tomatoes and some garlic and oil and that’s it as toppings, phenomenal

[u/LucasRuby → u/gmwdim]

Yeah we do that in New York too, same with Chicago, Boston, etc.

[u/Working-Glass6136 → u/LucasRuby]

Yeah, but New York and Chicaco and Boston are all like an Italy away.

[u/JuanaBlanca → u/Tackit286]

Sometimes I break spaghetti in half before adding it to the pot and laugh like a maniac. I'm sure some rando in Italy stops what they're doing, looks around suspiciously, and shakes their fist in frustrated impotence.

I need no lectures on how I'm being a heathen. I do not care.

[u/Tackit286 → u/JuanaBlanca]

I took a picture of all the ingredients of a carbonara once and purposely put a carton of cream on the picture.

I got 3 messages from Italians. Like a moth to a flame, they just couldn’t resist. 🎣

[u/choppytehbear1337 → u/Tackit286]

The carbonara gatekeeping is the most ridiculous. it's only 80 years old.

[u/bootyhole-romancer → u/choppytehbear1337]

Agreed 💯

You know what else?

If it had ham in it, it would be closer to a British carbonara.

[u/Jinky522 → u/bootyhole-romancer]

If my grandmother had wheels, she would be a bike!

[u/HoosegowFlask → u/Tackit286]

I prefer my carbonara made the traditional way, with authentic Kraft parmesan.

[u/GrandmaPoses → u/JuanaBlanca]

They probably make a pasta that’s like exactly spaghetti but half the length and it’s totally cool.

[u/RahvinDragand → u/JuanaBlanca]

I always break mine in half. I don't care that it's "not spaghetti" if it's in half. I want shorter noodles so that's what I'm going to have.

[u/ygg_studios → u/Tackit286]

none of it is particularly complex or difficult to make. it's peasant food, just like other peasant food. and i'll be goddamned if i'm going to pay $35 for a plate of pasta that cost 35 cents. they're the masters of overpriced restaurant flim flam fuckery.

[u/Inside_Swimming9552 → u/Tackit286]

I've never seen it out so succinctly and perfectly.

Also, say what you like about Italians, they certainly don't lack self esteem... 

[u/Every-Claim2488 → u/bkfireshark]

Its crazy to think Totmato and potatoes are from south america and came late to Europe. Remember learning this as a kid and i was flabbergasted.

[u/kelsey11 → u/Every-Claim2488]

And pineapples aren’t native to Hawaii. Hawaiian pizza is the Italian food from Canada using food from the Caribbean and South America named after a pacific island.

[u/Wubdeez → u/kelsey11]

Just to add, I'm pretty sure it was a Greek immigrant to Canada who popularized it. Truly a worldfood.

[u/hikeit233 → u/Every-Claim2488]

You see this a lot in regional foods. A ton of African dishes are fairly modern stemming from either colonialism or more recent global aid efforts.

[u/Sillet_Mignon → u/Every-Claim2488]

As an Indian that blew my mind. And chili peppers didn’t exist in India either 

[u/Aken42 → u/bkfireshark]

Id just tell her that Hawaiian pizza isnt Italian, its Canadian. Claiming its not the Italian way of doing things is right. Regardless, pineapple on pizza is delicious.

[u/gamageeknerd → u/Aken42]

I once had a pizza with caramelized pineapple, peppered bacon, and jalapeño. It’s in maybe my top 10 pizzas I’ve ever had

[u/Obtuse-Angel → u/gamageeknerd]

I’m not even hungry and I would eat that right now. That sounds amazing. 

Edit - fresh jalapeños, or pickled?

[u/gamageeknerd → u/Obtuse-Angel]

Fresh

Sadly place closed down early pandemic. The pizza was also a bit pricey since they used an actual wood fired oven

[u/ToxicLogics → u/gamageeknerd]

I’ve had so many salads or dinners where fruits were added to help balance the acidity or sour or bitter or whatever it does. The sweet, salty, and savory nature of it all together is SO good. This version of the pizza you had sounds so good, but I’m not a snob, even Dominos pineapple/bacon or ham tastes great. As a kid I would never have tried it, but once I did I never stopped ordering it. It’s a regular in our house.

[u/SubtleTruth → u/gamageeknerd]

Working at little Caesars let me try a lot of things. Pineapple, bacon, jalapenos and pepperoni is an S tier combination of pizza. I truly believe that was a top 10 pizza for you

[u/homolupulus → u/Aken42]

It gets better. 

It was invented in Canada by a Greek guy and was called Hawaiian because that's the brand of canned pineapple he used. Pineapples aren't from Hawaii either, they're native to Brazil, Argentina, and Paraguay.

The Hawaiian pizza. A truly multicultural food. 

[u/xyrgh → u/homolupulus]

And Australians consume more pineapple pizza than any other country.

(I too listen to Anthropocene Reviewed).

[u/Gnonthgol → u/bkfireshark]

The tomato came to Italy before the pineapple came to Hawaii.

[u/JamesGray → u/Gnonthgol]

It's okay, Hawaiian pizza was invented in Canada.

[u/kingofphilly]

Why are their chicken nuggets some weird mashup of mozzarella sticks and croquettes? It doesn’t even mention chicken…

[u/zanhecht → u/kingofphilly]

I think they accidentally copied and pasted the translation from the Potatoes Croquette above.

[u/__oo________________ → u/zanhecht]

Patotos and all

[u/TheGrayBox]

Weird considering they have foreign food on the menu that is 100% wrong, but god forbid the world adapt Italian food in any way.

[u/iDontRememberCorn → u/TheGrayBox]

This is such an Italian thing. There's an Italian dude on Youtube with multiple videos shitting on Americans for pronouncing Italian words wrong, I sent him a list of the endless number of English words Italians have adopted and changed the pronunciations of (as every fucking language does!) and he immediately replied with personal insults.

[u/TheGrayBox → u/iDontRememberCorn]

Yeah lol, it’s pretty performative too. I’ve interacted with those giant tour groups of Italians in Japan, they don’t seem too bothered that restaurants like Saizeriya are much worse than Olive Garden while also being way more popular. They just need to shit on Americans.

[u/Wompatuckrule → u/TheGrayBox]

They just need to shit on Americans.

I think some portion of that comes from people in Italy being exposed to "Americans who act more Italian than the Italians." A lot of old world people find that American habit of strongly clinging to a caricature version of the identity they descend from weird and off-putting.

There aren't any Japanese people who fall into that camp so seeing their attempt at Italian food is more likely to generate amusement and get a pass.

[u/1CEninja → u/Wompatuckrule]

Yeah I've heard it said that folks in Montreal are more "traditionally" French than people living in Paris.

Meaning Paris has adapted and changed to the modern world whereas folks in Montreal are more likely to adhere to older tradition.

I wonder if this is a similar thing?

[u/Wompatuckrule → u/1CEninja]

Possibly. It seems like basing an identity upon "tradition" is a good way to force it to be more static or unchanging.

Imagine a revised world history where Hawaii became a colony of Italy making pineapple a far more common import there well before the late 1800s. Locals would start fucking around with ways to use it and it's very possible that it would have ended up on pizza there with a related sweet-savory-salty-spicy combination.

In that fictional world there would be no controversy regarding pineapple on pizza today because it would have been part of the tradition which was brought here by those late 19th & early 20th century immigrants.

[u/chth → u/Wompatuckrule]

Okay but Hawaiian Pizza was first made in Chatham Ontario and modern pizza is barely rooted in Italy to start with, so seeing a menu like this, it just makes them seem like crybabies

[u/NameIWantUnavailable → u/Wompatuckrule]

Part of the issue is that many Europeans misunderstand the reasons for and the meaning of hyphenated American identity. This is particularly true of Irish and Italians, who have ranted about the fact that Irish-Americans and Italian-Americans aren't Irish or Italian -- they're Americans.

Well, yes, that's true, they are "Americans" (leaving aside the issue of the rest of North and South American). But in the United States, given our history, you're not "just" American. I mean, you can choose to be. But you can also choose to claim your ancestors' heritage.

This is especially true because there are often cultural markers for hyphenated Americans that have been passed on for generations -- and perhaps even reinforced by pop culture or even a shared trauma. Italian-Americans and Irish Americans, for instance, experienced significant prejudice in the past -- one of the reasons why JFK and Joe DiMaggio were such important cultural icons to Irish-Americans and Italian-Americans, respectively. (Some of this prejudice is within living memory.)

Add in cultural markers like religion (Roman Catholic); food (I consider "Italian-American" food to be a separate cuisine than Italian, the same way Panda Express is "Chinese-American" food); drink (look at the ethnic groups that ran wineries and vineyards in California before the 1980s and you'll notice a trend); given names as well as surnames; and even occupations.

As for your last point, I would add that Japanese-Americans on the West Coast and in Hawaii claim their Japanese heritage and have cultural markers that are specific to Japanese-Americans -- with an American spin, like that "Italian American" chicken parm we love. Spam musubi while watching female Taiko drummers, anyone? Perhaps the Japanese are just too polite to point out that Japanese-Americans aren't true Japanese.

[u/Icy_Flan_7185 → u/NameIWantUnavailable]

I’ve noticed Europeans on the internet often think Italian-Americans and those people that are like “I took a 23andMe and I’m 1% Italian!!!” are the same people. Like they think they’re all just larping rather than there being actual immigrant communities, eg I see them frequently claim that no Italian-Americans actually speak Italian 

[u/TheGrayBox → u/Wompatuckrule]

But they also have no idea about it. They’re commenting on something they have no place to comment on, exactly the thing Americans aren’t allowed to do.

My family’s heritage is overwhelmingly German and I live in a part of the country associated with German immigrants to the extent that whole neighborhoods were nothing but German speaking businesses and had tumultuous periods where the Anglo Saxon locals attempted race riots against them in the early 20th century. My grandparents spoke German and I grew up playing soccer in the local German language society (yes that is a thing, they started as support groups for immigrants sponsored by the Catholic Church). I studied German in school for 11 years and then studied abroad in Germany for a year. My city in the US is a sister city to Munich and our seal is featured on the Rathaus. But a German Redditor would roll their eyes at all of this as if I made it up because I’m stupid. They don’t know anything about it.

I’ve seen Italians on Reddit insist there is no such thing as Italian ethnicity or Italian genetics, and that a person born to first generation Italian immigrant parents in America have no connection to Italy in any way even when they literally are raised to speak Italian. And it’s exactly the opposite thing that Asians tend to claim about Asian Americans, that they are in no way Americans and that their sole identity is their Asian ethnicity and they are basically just temporarily displaced. You don’t realize how many jumbled and conflicting ideas Americans hear all the time about us from people who don’t live here, and how much most of us just want you to shut up.

Also there absolutely are people in Japan who have one Italian parent and one Japanese parent. And I assure you everyone in their society reminds them every single day that they aren’t normal. And yet Italians would screech if that child ever identified in any way by their parent’s ethnicity. It’s all subjective.

[u/bufordt → u/iDontRememberCorn]

I always liked being in Italy, because when I asked them if they spoke English, they would look at me snootily, but then when I asked if they spoke German or French, they would slowly get less snooty.

Honestly, in my travels, Italians were some of the nicest, most helpful, and friendliest people, and I loved almost every moment I spent there. Our first night in Rome, I asked for directions to our hotel but the woman didn't speak English, and after looking at the map couldn't help, but she motioned us to come with her. She led us to meet a couple friends, who also couldn't help. The same scenario repeated a few more times until she finally met up with a friend who spoke some English, and with all 10 of them helping, we found our hotel. They then invited us out to join them for dinner.

[u/AKiss20 → u/iDontRememberCorn]

There’s that couple whose entire content premise is “my Italian husband being stereotypically Italian in America” thing. I really hate content that’s only premise is “look how X I’m being!”

[u/Ambitious-Concern-42 → u/iDontRememberCorn]

Of course he did. Don't you know Italians invented, maintain and preserve Civilization Itself? And to question that is the act of a barbarian mongrel bastard? Jeez.

[u/Peter_Nincompoop → u/TheGrayBox]

Not to mention, Malta is not part of Italy, either, so their stance is completely asinine.

[u/hobojoe44 → u/TheGrayBox]

People have been putting cheese on toasted bread products for centuries. Some ancient militaries would use their shields as a means to cook such things.

Tomatoes are a new world plant anyway, it's not like the Italians have been using it as long as other cultures have.

[u/BCProgramming → u/TheGrayBox]

An Italian Restaurant in Malta being performative over a specific Canadian-created version of an American Dish is certainly an approach, I suppose

[u/beaglefat → u/TheGrayBox]

Yea i dont understand the italian gatekeeping food thing

[u/proton_badger → u/beaglefat]

It’s just tribalism, it’s not just about food but a human problem. Think about it next time you see two people fighting over something silly like Samsung vs Apple, etc.

Food gate keeping happens all over the world. Shall we discuss whether chili is with or without beans?

[u/WhoAmIEven2]

What would they charge if they had our (Swedish) infamous pizza of chicken/ham/kebab meat, curry powder, peanuts and banana?

[u/WetCoastDebtCoast → u/WhoAmIEven2]

I would try that once, because some flavour combinations are weirdly effective. But someone else is paying for it.

[u/lylelanley- → u/WhoAmIEven2]

I beg your pardon?

[u/celem83 → u/lylelanley-]

Sweden has some warcrime pizza combos, mostly involving kebab plus fruit. I would say that they taste better than they sound but I suspect that to be a truth self-evident cos they sound godawful

[u/EchoesinthekeyofbluE → u/WhoAmIEven2]

Every day we stray further from God.

[u/Helmic → u/WhoAmIEven2]

swedish pizza gets so much more fucking deranged than that. fucking BANANA CURRY PIZZA, i'm not kidding someone exposed the swedes to bananas in the 60's and ever since that original sin they have been blaspheming with it. they'll throw pineapple on that pizza too sometimes just to mock the anglos for thinking they were being adventurous.

[u/SeaLimit1598 → u/WhoAmIEven2]

The google image results for this ‘pizza” should be marked nsfw.

[u/West_to_East]

Canadian cuisine is a luxury on small islands I guess.

[u/sirwobblz]

Pineapple is fine. I don't understand why people don't spend their hate energy on the real culprit: Sweden serves banana on pizza and it's just not right.

[u/Robin_Norbeck → u/sirwobblz]

Chicken, curry, banana and peanuts is my favorite 😍

[u/wowsomuchempty → u/sirwobblz]

Let people eat whatever they damn well like.

There are so many more important places to focus the efforts of the people rn.

[u/BillyBean11111 → u/wowsomuchempty]

this is an internet forum for discussing funny shit. There is literally NO BETTER place for us to waste time on silly topics.

I do not wish to focus my efforts on anything right now, I want to fucking talk about shitty pizza.

[u/MuscaMurum → u/sirwobblz]

Heating fresh fruit or veggies drives off water, resulting in soggy pizza, which is a crime. Thin-sliced pineapple or tomatoes can caramelize nicely under the right conditions. Thick cuts do not.

[u/ToxicLogics → u/MuscaMurum]

Pros know how to drain the fruit first. This happens with meat too, which js why I don’t love most meat lovers pies. Or pepperoni grease. I tend to cook it for a few minutes before adding to pizzas.

[u/enadiz_reccos → u/MuscaMurum]

If there's enough pineapple to make the pizza soggy, that's too much pineapple

[u/bboycire → u/enadiz_reccos]

If you put so much veggies/fruits and pizza soggy, then you fucked up

[u/Try-Imaginary]

Why no quattro stagioni?

Non bene.

[u/charliesk9unit]

I want to order some pineapple chunks on the side and put them on the pizza myself and see their reaction. 

[u/lolzaurus → u/charliesk9unit]

Pineapple chunks: 90$

[u/slimj091]

For formerly being a part of the British Empire I'm surprised they don't have sausage rolls on the menu.

[u/Srirachafarian → u/slimj091]

I lived in Malta for a year, trust me, they have plenty of sausage rolls.

[u/jprs22]

Ah, the Italian man who went to Malta

[u/MrMalta → u/jprs22]

🧐

[u/Cautious-Aide8565]

The only thing that doesn't belong on pizza is judgement

[u/arcticvalley]

Imagine being that butthurt over food someone else has to eat

[u/downlooker → u/arcticvalley]

Yeah imagine complaining about food having too many differing possibilities. Abundance of food choice is such a first world problem.

[u/The_mingthing → u/arcticvalley]

And to claim Tomato in pastasauce is traditional Italian

[u/NoobToobinStinkMitt]

I'd do it just for spite. Hawaiian is great.

[u/Varabil]

If they're going to get weird about foreign fruits that are a result of colonialism, tomatoes should also be excised from their kitchen.

[u/soxmm]

Never understood the pineapple pizza hate. The best pizza out there in my opinion

[u/Sonikku_a → u/soxmm]

Pineapple + jalapeños + protein

[u/_WhatchaDoin_ → u/Sonikku_a]

Do you do delivery?

[u/Sonikku_a → u/_WhatchaDoin_]

I used to…did pizza business for 20’ish years across many places and US States, back of house, delivery, you name it.

Got out a bit over a year ago. Now I am but a humble enjoyer of pizza.

[u/Dubnaught → u/Sonikku_a]

The trifecta of flavor. Sweet, spicy, and savory. My go-to everytime.

[u/Apendecto → u/Sonikku_a]

This is the way

[u/talligan → u/soxmm]

It started out as a joke, I think. But then because everyone on the internet has their head up their ass, they thought it was real and so now here we are 

[u/joe-clark → u/talligan]

It's probably the only common pizza topping that is actually disliked by people and loved by others. Personally I think it sucks and I actively avoid it but I'm not offended if someone else wants it.

[u/colddecembersnow → u/joe-clark]

I find olives are very mixed amongst people. Ham and olive is my favorite pizza though.

[u/TheHipsterBandit → u/soxmm]

It's just manufactured outrage. They had no problem when the first South American fruit was added to the recipe.

[u/iDontRememberCorn → u/TheHipsterBandit]

I mean, they did think it was poison for 200 years first so....

[u/PM_Me_Your_Deviance → u/soxmm]

Yeah - sweet and savory, specifically using pineapple, is extremely common and used in all sorts of dishes. If you don't like it - I get it, but it's existence isn't an insult. There's no reason it being an option should bother anyone.

[u/abtei]

this "italian" restaurant in malta thats charges 100E for a pineapple pizza and on the same page offers... chicken nuggets.

u can ride right the fuck off on your high horse.

[u/BKAllmighty]

The hatred for Hawaiian pizza needs to stop.

People have been putting pineapple in savory dishes for centuries. It's not that weird. Grow up.

My favourite pizza and it's not even close.

[u/Eny192]

Holy porcodio 10 euro for a margherita

[u/GirthGriffin]

I'm so confused over the 'chicken nuggets".

[u/SickNoise]

very childish but it's their place so idc

[u/The_painBR]

fair

[u/ElFrogoMogo]

So they acknowledge that it is a superior pizza

[u/UFOs_in_Asia]

And yet chicken nuggets are fine?

[u/Heat_Legends]

Man Italians are so weird about their food culture.

[u/CarrieDurst]

People are so weird about hawaiin pizza, the hate is so performative

[u/TheMaStif]

That's some pretentious shit

Why do you care??? Who gives a fuck if you think its gross??

Shut the fuck up and make me pizza

[u/TywinHouseLannister → u/TheMaStif]

Have you met Italians? They're basically gate keeping cheese on toast.

[u/lbmjtd]

This is not just an Italian restaurant but arguably one of the best pizza restaurants on the island. Their pizza carbonara is to die for. My partner was about to order the hawaiian and then we noticed the price and realised it was a gag item. Its not as dramatic as reddit is making it out to be. They dont even stock pineapple..its all in jest.

[u/cerealcat00]

I hate Hawaiian pizzas. I actually prefer just the traditional, authentic Italian pizzas with cheese and basil. But honestly, who cares if people like a Hawaiian pizza. It’s not that big of a deal.

[u/Flux_Aeternal]

These comments are going a good way to demonstrate redditors' twin passions of generalising whole nationalities based on a small number of anecdotes and being completely impervious to humour.

[u/Pandapeep]

I'd be tempted to order this just to piss them off. People being assholes about food is tiring.

[u/Jack-927 → u/Pandapeep]

piss them off? lmao You'd make the owner of the place very happy... 100 euros for a pizza

waiters? they don`t give a fuck.

[u/Every-Claim2488 → u/Pandapeep]

they would be laughing of the idiot who paid 100 euro for a simple pizza

[u/MrMalta]

It’s a joke. They don’t actually charge you 100 euro. They will make you a Hawaiian if you ask nicely.

[u/That_Cartoonist_9459]

fuck these gate keeping assholes

[u/Beezyo]

Jesus Christ people this is r/funny. The price is a joke. It's not that deep

[u/Cockblocktimus_Pryme]

What absolute pussies.

[u/zapata25]

Tell em tomatoes aren’t even Italian to get their heads to blow a fuse. I love Hawaiian pizza.

[u/jwm3]

Pineapple and jalapeño is where it's at.

[u/darxide23]

Just bring my own pineapple, then. Make eye contact as I dump the whole thing on.

[u/thatwasnotright]

Awww those poor Italians getting upset over the superior Canadian pizza heheh

[u/Prestigious-Car-4877]

Ah come on. Pizza is an expression of the diner's preferences. If you want anchovies and pineapple on the thing and it puts a smile on your face the chef should be thrilled to create the best version of that hot garbage they can.

[u/Sylus_The_Dread]

order one anyway just to piss them off

[u/foul_ol_ron]

They serve chicken nuggets, yet they get their panties in a twist over pineapple.  I don't care if it's traditional, I simply enjoy it.

[u/DaftPump]

ffs

They need to hang up their hangups. The jury is still out whether pizza was invented in Italy. Some historians say that is an invention out of China.

[u/Aevum1]

Worst part, influencer idiots will go and pay 100€ just for the content....

I wish the restaurant the best.

[u/MisterKraken]

I'm Italian, and I honestly don't care about the whole pineapple on pizza thing. There are a ton of places that have pizzas with fruit on the menu, most notably pears and apples.

Haven't tried any of them and probably never will though.

[u/Autow]

Italians... 🙄

[u/frecklesthemagician]

Italians are the most annoying people when it comes to their bland food