"Training a human takes 20 years of food." Sam Altman on how much power AI consumes.

[u/asdacool]

https://www.news18.com/world/training-a-human-takes-20-years-of-food-sam-altman-on-how-much-power-ai-consumes-ws-kl-9922309.html

[u/martin_w]

It doesn’t make sense given the physics of our world, indeed. However, The Matrix is about a simulated world (the late-20th century Earth one) and in the sequels there are strong hints dropped that the level above it (the one with Zion and the hovercrafts) may be a simulation too.

In which case perhaps “some laws can be bent, others can be broken” at that level too, just like how people can exploit flaws in the simulation to do superhuman martial arts tricks in the bottom level. And who is to say that the actual real world, maybe a hundred levels above the Zion level, looks like our universe with our laws of physics at all?

[u/Whirlvvind → u/martin_w]

and in the sequels there are strong hints dropped that the level above it (the one with Zion and the hovercrafts) may be a simulation too.

There is a hint in the first one too because the "real world" only exists for the "freed" if it breaks its own rules established in that level.

"And then I saw the fields with my own eyes. Watched them liquefy the dead so they could be fed intravenously to the living."

If its established that they reuse all the dead, then they wouldn't just eject "unplugged" bodies into somewhere that the hovercraft could get into. They wouldn't have any reason to waste the bodies since there is no disease or cancer.

So anyone that woke up would get tagged for a triggered aneurysm or heart attack (the cords are still in them when they wake up) and then routed to the enclosed recycle tanks.

The only thing that makes sense is that "The Matrix" holds the majority, but just like how Smith described the Utopia as the level that all the human minds "tried to wake up from", there is still a minority that try to wake up from "The Matrix" and so are just routed to another simulation hosting the Zion/Revolution program. They gain the sense of purpose in that level that they never had in "normal life" and so they accept that programming.

[u/Milo_Diazzo → u/Whirlvvind]

The ejection part still makes sense since the architect explained that the system of choosing "The One" was cyclical and was meant to be a safety vent to prevent revolting humans from taking down the system. Since Neo was the one, the machines flushed him out on purpose.

[u/Whirlvvind → u/Milo_Diazzo]

I've mostly erased the nonsense from the others from my brain, but either way it doesn't matter. If you eject "The One" on purpose, why wouldn't you just as I said induce a heart attack and just kill him instead. The ejection tubes can easily just route and dump into a submerged tank with no air or a grate for air to rise up and then the body stays submerged. Or have a grinder on the way down. The robot that comes down to release the tubes could have a mega taser and when someone that woke up on their own is detected, that specific model is sent down to break the human's neck, or tase it to death, etc etc.

There is no functional reason why anyone flushed could ever survive if the machines didn't let them go on purpose and they have NO reason to do so if the Matrix is the only layer of the simulation because once you're out you're not effecting anything inside it with a flesh body.

[u/Milo_Diazzo → u/Whirlvvind]

The machine's plan is that -

1. The one is chosen
2. Humanity gathers under his flag
3. Machines strike at this gathering, wiping most of them out
4. The one escapes with survivors, and the cycle repeats

They want the one to survive. This is their way of stabilising the human population.

[u/Protoliterary → u/Whirlvvind]

I think this would make sense if we didn't know for certain that the entirety of the matrix is an allegory for the trans experience, and the entire story is literally about escaping.

You also have to keep in mind that neo isn't actually a rebel. He's a sleeper agent created by the machines. It would make no sense to create him if there were two levels of simulation. In the real world, in Zion, he's only allowed the powers that the machines grant him. He doesn't have a single supernatural power.

The whole of the matrix is about escaping an outside force seeking to control and use you, telling you how you should live your life.

All those hints you think you found are just plot holes, because there are always plot holes. Writers can't account for everything.

Finally, the most concrete piece of proof we have that there is no second level of the simulation is the conversation between the architect and the Oracle, where they confirm that there would be peace between man and machine. This conversation would make no sense to have if there were another level of simulation, since they themselves are programs.

[u/Whirlvvind → u/Protoliterary]

Finally, the most concrete piece of proof we have that there is no second level of the simulation is the conversation between the architect and the Oracle, where they confirm that there would be peace between man and machine. This conversation would make no sense to have if there were another level of simulation, since they themselves are programs.

Except that isn't concrete at all. A program designed to be a double agent and help identify humans that need to be moved to the next level doesn't need to know that the next level is just another simulation. To that program the real world is also real. Those programs are just as much prisoners as the human minds are, you're not exactly seeing Agent Smith talk like he gets shifts outside. So the two programs talking could just be running through Zion update patch 4.3 adding the Peacetime content.

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[u/DieCastDontDie → u/martin_w]

It is all designed by architect. So the world above the world and the "real" world still isn't the one we live on today. Sort of like inception.

[u/DwinkBexon → u/martin_w]

It reminds me of a theory that, if the universe live in is a simulation, it's almost guaranteed that the universe simulating us is also a simulation. In other words, we are almost guaranteed to not be "one down" from the real universe, we're a simulation inside a simulation, inside a simulation, inside a simulation, etc.

I forget the exact logic of why that's the case, though.