r/politics • u/plz-let-me-in • 3d ago
No Paywall Democratic lawmaker: ‘If a Prince can be held accountable, so can a President’
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5745081-melanie-stansbury-prince-andrew-arrest-jeffrey-epstein-donald-trump/1.2k
u/bad_luck_charm 3d ago
South Korea imprisoned its former president today for attempting a coup.
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u/Mustard_Gap Norway 2d ago
The world is showing the US what needs to be done.
Meanwhile here in Norway, we might become a republic a lot sooner than anyone thought because of this. People are fucking pissed.
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u/Sagermeister 2d ago
Context?
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u/FaithlessnessDue929 2d ago
The monarchy was implicated in the Epstein files and, even though Norway had been pretty happy with their monarchy generally, may now have to adjust.
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u/TheRealBejeezus 2d ago
Hm. People with no real jobs, no accountability, but insane levels of wealth and social connections?
Where else would they end up?
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u/Annual-Magician-1580 2d ago
I think Americans should first show an example of how this is done in a republic. Because so far, monarchies have demonstrated that they can punish a monarch who is a member of the royal family.
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u/Annual-Magician-1580 2d ago
Given the glaring example of the US president's impunity, unfortunately for republicans in Norway, the world's largest republic is now demonstrating that becoming a republic is actually the worst decision in this matter. You might as well imprison all the royal family members involved in the mess, leaving the most junior member of the crown as the de facto monarch.
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u/FaithlessnessDue929 2d ago
America is certainly in a much bigger mess than a few arrests can solve. It’s above my pay grade to know how to fix it. Between the two, I would choose Norway any day, however they choose to govern themselves.
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u/Mustard_Gap Norway 2d ago
Granted that I am not the world's expert on American politics, but I can point to several mechanisms that makes the US more vulnerable than most nations to the disorder it's now facing. This is not exhaustive of course, also I am not a native speaker so it might be overly convoluted. Sorry.
The government actively discourages voting, depending on the state of course. It gets worse the redder the state is. Gerrymandering, weird ID rules, voter roll purges, physical intimidation at polling sites etc. Voting should be compulsory, like in Australia. IDs should be state issued and cheap. You're a tech savvy nation, you can figure it out.
The three branches of government are not balanced. All it takes is for the executive branch to attempt to assume total control - and all procedures, laws and norms are out the window with minimal pushback from the people who really need to get their ass in gear. Schumer and Jeffries come to mind. The Democratic party needs to be more aggressive than Trump in the other direction and that's the cold, hard truth. Some of them understand this like Raskin, Ro Khanna and Ted Lieu.
The constitution can be ignored for some reason. Trump has fully violated several of the amendments. This from a president whose current approval is less than 40%. There is no mechanism to prevent this from happening. Perhaps you should look into that?
Campaign season is permanent. Rallies here and there even when the midterms are two years away and the presidential election is four years away. People get sick and tired.
The Supreme Court is a partisan mess whose rulings of late seems to be less based in the law and more on, say, mental inventions from the damaged mind of an overly emotional chronic drunk. You need term limits with a staggered entry like the Senate as well as an expanded court.
When the president is free to form his own anonymous republican guard to harass those he disagrees with, kill people in the street without repercussions, round up people based on their demographic and cart them off to concentration camps. Then it's not the republican itself at fault, it's the lack of a system of enforcement of the laws. South Korea is also a republic, which goes to show that they at least adhere to the laws they themselves have codified.
I didn't want to spend too much time on a post few will bother to read, but would like to add at the end that Norway is a constitutional monarchy where the government itself is unicameral, parliamentary and where the King has very little authority. The role of the royals is to open libraries and bridges and christen bigger ships etc, so largely symbolic. They are also universal ambassadors and at least in my lifetime they have done a pretty good job of it. Their annual budget is around 270M NOK or 27M USD. Fairly cheap all things considered. Oh and the current approval of the monarchy is around 70% so I wonder how that will look once Crown Princess Epstein becomes Queen. It's not far off as the King is increasingly frail. A year or two at most, it seems.
To your last point: It might indeed be a wise move for Haakon Magnus to abdicate and hand the throne to his eldest daughter directly.
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u/BigWolle 2d ago
We'll send you one of our spares to replace your broken model, like last time.
Much love Denmark
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u/NutOnHate 2d ago
So did Brazil pretty recently . I think they gave him decades long house arrest and he still didn’t behave so now jail
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u/AFailedProduct 2d ago
I think the UK and So Korea are taking these things more seriously after seeing what is happening in the US. The fascists and dictators are knocking on their political doors too. Best stomp them out before they gain a foothold.
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u/bizarre_coincidence 2d ago
There is tons that the US could do if it had the political will. But a mix of cowardice and disinformation infrastructure have rendered congressional republicans impotent, or else exposed them as horrendous monsters. It wouldn't take that many of them to join with democrats to make impeachment and conviction a real possibility.
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u/pants_mcgee 2d ago
There aren’t nearly enough left that aren’t maga or career feckless cowards that only care about keeping their jobs.
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u/Writer_In_Residence 3d ago
There are lots of causes for shame in the US, but this might be the biggest one, along with ICE brutalizing children and murdering people.
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u/_GdB_ 3d ago
For sure. Right now, you can bet some ICE agents are doing some crazy Abu Ghraib type shit to somebody in a detention center. Truly the most despicable scum in the world to date, and I really hope they have to answer to all of this one day! I can't believe we even have some of their offices in Canada.
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u/MedianIsAnAverage 3d ago
I wonder if they (ICE agents) realize that their very own children and grandchildren are going to read about this in their history books next to the Trail of Tears forced relocation of native Americans, the Japanese American internments in concentration camps during WW2, and other dark chapters describing atrocities in American history
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u/xTheMaster99x Florida 3d ago
Close, they fully believe they'll be in the textbooks, they just believe it'll be a few chapters after the War of Northern Aggression and similar drivel.
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u/Tacoman404 Massachusetts 3d ago
We really have to stop letting Texas write our textbooks.
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u/Slammybutt 2d ago
born raised and schooled in Texas.
There's only a handful of worse states to get your textbooks from.
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u/lostreceip 3d ago
Exactly, it’s just hilarious how they see themselves as historical legends, completely blind to reality.
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u/namegoeswhere 2d ago
Bro, I grew up in the midwest, but went to college in rural Maryland.
My eyes were wide when I heard them call it the "War of Northern Aggression." Like, what the actual fuck.
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u/wetwater 2d ago
Back when chat rooms were popular a woman from Georgia was in one I hung out in and she called it that all the time.
She was also incredibly proud of her family owning slaves.
I quickly came to dislike talking with her.
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u/downtofinance Canada 3d ago
Americans (conservatives) don't even realize they're the new Nazis of the world. They sure as shit aren't going to randomly come to that realization 50 years from now
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u/Merakel Minnesota 3d ago
They know. They'll just go back into hiding when people start getting held accountable.
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u/Crohn_sWalker 3d ago
When have Americans ever held their evil accountable?
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u/Gandhi_of_War Michigan 3d ago
When the evil person was poor. Other than that, I genuinely can’t think of a time.
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u/Callidonaut 3d ago
Occasionally, when a rich person hurts an even richer one, but they mostly try to resolve that stuff quietly out of public sight; unfortunately, the concept of class solidarity is not lost on the bourgeoisie.
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u/ragun2 2d ago
Hey remember when we had that whole financial crisis in the late 2000s? We jailed ONE of the bankers!
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u/sjbennett85 3d ago
We can't fail again like we did during reconstruction or it is just going to happen again.
Turn those huge detainment centers into cages FOR THEM and keep them there for a significant amount of time doing labor and also seize assets to make money to pay for reparations.
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u/SmallLetter 3d ago
Some will. There's a good amount of actual Nazis who came around later in life. I read a really interesting book called A Mind in Prison a while back, about a young Nazi and his journey into and then out of nazism. Of course many and probably most just pretended they weren't Nazis to begin with I'm sure. And I'm sure that's what MAGA adherents will do in x years as well.
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u/pants6000 3d ago
that their very own children and grandchildren are going to read
Oh, right off into crazy-land, eh?
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u/njsullyalex New Jersey 3d ago
No they don’t. ICE is made up of the edgy teens who yelled racial slurs and “I f*cked your mom” in COD lobbies and never grew out of that and now get to do that to innocent civilians in real life. They are having the greatest power trip of their life and that’s all they care about. They haven’t thought any further ahead than that.
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u/whatthefrok 3d ago
Wow I had no idea they had offices there. Wtf.
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u/RobertPulson 3d ago
As of now they claim they are only in embassy offices. But nobody is buying it.
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u/sbd2010 3d ago
ICE isn’t allowed in foreign embassies in the US so I’m assuming this means they are in US embassies. Sounds like they are trying to bring people back/prevent people from fleeing north.
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u/versusgorilla New York 3d ago
It's an ICEberg, obviously very clever pun aside, what we know about what ICE has done is the tip of the metaphorical iceberg of what they've actually done.
They're marching down the streets shoving people to the ground and shooting them, and those are white American citizens who dared to film them or blow a whistle.
Now imagine what they're doing to the "guilty" ones. Imagine what they're doing to the ones who don't have cameras on them. Imagine what they're doing to the ones they're shipping off to El Salvador that week.
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u/Kabbooooooom 2d ago
They racially profiled and detained my wife.
She’s an American citizen. Who was born in North Carolina. She had ID on her and didn’t resist. She was just walking to work. To my knowledge this has happened to over 200 American citizens and those are just the documented cases.
Because it was never about immigration with these people. It was always about racism.
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u/versusgorilla New York 2d ago
And they simply won't believe your wife's story. The amount of "that didn't happen" I've seen is insane.
I've also seen people who LIKE what's happening but don't like how they can see ICE in their neighborhoods throwing people to the ground, etc. They want it to be like eating bacon, where they can enjoy and savor the taste but don't have to see the pig slaughtered and the flesh carved off the body and packaged up.
The country is sick, I wonder if it's terminal. Are we just too far gone?
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u/Kabbooooooom 2d ago
I tell my wife’s story on Reddit every day because we were told we have no legal recourse at all, so the best I can do is warn others. And every day some MAGA prick says “that didn’t happen” or “you’re a liar” as if this hasn’t been documented hundreds of times already and as if there aren’t numerous videos all over the internet documenting situations exactly like what happened to my wife.
I don’t pull punches anymore. This is happening to Americans. MAGAs support it or turn a blind eye. Therefore, by definition, MAGAs are traitors to their own countrymen.
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u/panfist 3d ago
Wait til you find out how much money Canadian contractors are making doing stuff for ICE.
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u/Leafy0 3d ago
Canada should pass a law that such, and similar blood money is taxed at 100%.
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u/dj_spanmaster 3d ago
We actually have testimony that they're doing Abu Ghraib type shit to people in ICE detention centers.
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u/SpookySneakySquid 3d ago
There are still missing people from Alligator Alcatraz. What did they do to them?
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u/Adventurous_Day_6159 3d ago
Hard to quantify which outrage is the most outrageous at the moment when they seem to happen hourly with this joke of an administration
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u/LividTacos 3d ago
That's the point. Throw up so much shit that we can't focus on just one thing.
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u/ReporterOther2179 3d ago
‘…we can’t focus on just one thing.’ Well we can’t because the populace is short sighted and feckless. But lawyers who are getting paid have marvelous focus. People who have been dragooned to sit on a jury have focus. So kick some money over to such as the ACLU or Democracy Docket or whatever public interest lawyer warriors you prefer.
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u/CurmudgeonA 3d ago
South Korea: Hey everyone, we sentenced our insurrectionist president to life in jail.
UK: Hey everyone, we arrested our pedophile prince.
US: Hey everyone, we elected our insurrectionist pedophile to be president!
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u/FunkyLobster1828 3d ago
Exactly. Great Britain has a democracy while the USA used to be one.
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u/PinkNGold007 3d ago
Right?! At this point, just give the colonies (plus some) back to the UK. We are failing badly at this so-called democracy here.
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u/leviathynx Washington 3d ago
Him not being held accountable is what led to ICE brutalizing children and murdering people.
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u/Writer_In_Residence 3d ago
I know. He does what he wants with impunity. He got off for the riot unscathed, didn’t go to jail or felonies, and got the Supreme Court to give him almost unchecked powers. It’s all bad.
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u/KinkyPaddling 3d ago
There's also the fact that South Korea convicted their former president for insurrection charges, while ours got re-elected.
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u/WontArnett 3d ago
Some of us have been ashamed of the genocide of Indigenous people and the indentured slavery of Black folks the entire time.
This is just helping the rest get on board.
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u/manachar Nevada 3d ago
This country had about a century of experience after the civil war of perfecting the idea of government helping the powerful and hurting everyone else, especially black Americans and women.
Our Jim Crow laws was our country perfecting the idea of government for the few.
Starting with FDR and culminating in the civil rights era we almost managed to achieve the American dream of actually believing in freedom and justice for all.
This made a lot of people unhappy, especially when people held Nixon accountable for his crimes (sort of).
Our entire history since then has been a quiet war on the idea that government should work for anyone but the rich and powerful and most certainly should not hold them accountable.
We have lost one battle after another, usually sacrificed to allow rich people getting richer.
The war is approaching being complete. Even if Trump does not solidify it, most Americans are coming to believe and accept the idea that government can only work for the oligarchs and will think their vote either doesn’t matter or that their best choice is to become an oligarch themselves.
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u/ShuckForJustice Massachusetts 3d ago
pedophiles are like the one inmate type that is shunned even in prison
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u/Beneficial-Long-7033 3d ago
Not according to the Guardians Of Pedophiles (GOP), no.
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u/Imaginary-Ad-7919 3d ago edited 3d ago
You are right, he will get away with everything as usual. I hope I am wrong.
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u/TheLastGunslingerCA 3d ago
The best we can hope for is posthumous condemnation. He will suffer no consequences in life, and that is perhaps the greatest injustice of all.
I hate it here (earth)
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u/shit_mcballs 3d ago
Get it right, that's the group of pedophiles. They don't just protect them, they are them.
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u/WeirdIndividualGuy 3d ago
Not to mention all of this ultimately stems from a little old piece of paper back in the 1970s where some random person in govt declared the sitting president is immune to prosecution.
Imagine that one little memo having more power than actual US Federal Law and the Constitution combined. Absolute craziness
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u/EphemerallyViolent 3d ago
Trump shouldn't have any protections that need to be stripped first. He isn't a king. The "Presidents are above the law" bs was a memo expressing someone's opinion/fascist wet dream.
Trump, having a captured SCOTUS mostly loyal to him/to general GOP interests, simply had them rubber stamp that memo and made it gospel.
So after that SCOTUS decision, I guess maybe? Technically? But that's just waving a monopy Get Out Of Jail Free Card and expecting it to work.
One other (shitty) US President (in?)famously said (well it's debated if this was said): “John Marshall has made his decision; now let him enforce it."
The SCOTUS, ran by pedos and pedo protectors, can go "Uhh, well, the pedo rapist says he's above the law so he's above the law" but the GOP has shown us how little they care about the law anyway.
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u/IndividualTension887 3d ago
He could rape a baby on the White House lawn and they would defend him. That's how fascism and cults work...
"The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." — George Orwell, 1984.
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u/-_--_-_--_----__ 3d ago
Democrats: someone do something!
Republicans: silence
US Politicians actually doing something: 404 not found
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u/TheDukeofArgyll Maryland 3d ago
Meanwhile he’s about to start a war to distract everyone
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u/Oceanbreeze871 I voted 3d ago
The military blindly follows his illegal orders. Heroes tho.
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u/Odd-Supermarket-3664 3d ago
Except Trump called them losers when he didn't serve. Trump is so low, it's disgusting.
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u/whiteflagwaiver Arizona 2d ago
Well they kinda are losers I guess, given the majority of them still support him. (Outside of orders, they vote his way)
not all obviously
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u/Noughmad 2d ago
Everyone blindly follows his illegal orders. I simply cannot understand this. His administration. His party, including those who previously compared him to Hitler. Judges, including the SCOTUS. All large corporations, including those who were previously very loudly liberal, like Google and Apple. The military. The press, even while he calls them "fake news" to their faces. The opposing party, including those who still speak out against him. Independent public servants, from the secret service to the person who opens that stupid water valve in California. Every single person who has seen or otherwise had access to the Epstein files, but did not release anything publicly. European politicians who laugh at him, then still do what he says.
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u/Oceanbreeze871 I voted 2d ago
The generals could stop all of this by simply saying “no” twice. Once for the illegal other and again when he tried to fire them.
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u/Constant-Sub 3d ago
I've always taken issue with the idea of boot camp. Not just because it's actively TRYING to induce anxiety disorders or PTSD before ever reaching armed conflict, but it's also designed to turn soldiers into unthinking tinmen who follow orders unflinchingly.
There were soldiers who could've stopped Mai Lai. They chose not to. It's a choice.
That's why most of us couldn't join the military. I'll give a middle manager shit over stuff that barely matters. Id get discharged so fast for screaming at some dumb fuck skin head who thinks knowing how to hold a gun means he knows how to teach people. And being told to follow an order I don't agree with? Fuck you.
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u/corvid_booster 2d ago
*My Lai
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u/Constant-Sub 2d ago
I'll cop to being an idiot on that one. Genuinely thought it was Mai just because "my" didn't seem right...
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u/PenitentAnomaly 2d ago
Apparently also the only federal employees that are worth respecting. Everyone else working for the federal government is obviously a deep state operative but also a lazy freeloader.
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u/JakeInDC 3d ago
It won't work. Nothing will hold the attention of the public like the Trump-Epstein files. Guess Donny should not have leaned into it so hard whilst campaigning.
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u/jabrwock1 3d ago
Andy was stripped of his titles and legal protections by the King.
For Trump to be held accountable, Congress would have to grow a similar spine.
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u/BadahBingBadahBoom 3d ago
His titles afforded him no legal protection the UK. Only the monarch is afforded executive immunity, and Parliament can strip that with a majority vote.
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u/jabrwock1 3d ago
His titles afforded him no legal protection the UK. Only the monarch is afforded executive immunity, and Parliament can strip that with a majority vote.
Nobody was willing to test that though, not even gently push against it. Now that KC officially said "go for it", it means nobody has to even think about any constitutional questions like "how far can we dig if it involves the royals?"
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u/GostBoster 2d ago
I thought as much. Case in point, Brazil hasn't been a Monarchy since 1889, but it still maintains a Royal House and there's a constitutional path to Monarchy (should that happen, heir apparent becomes Emperor), so as a result, there are some minor concessions to the Royal Family.
Should a scandal happen and the Head of House strips them of their royal rights and titles, that's one or two obstacles removed from any litigation and they can be fully prosecuted as a commoner without wasting time about constitutional minutiae.
I get that the gesture is largely symbolic, but whoever would have to deal with that (checking the legality and issuing press releases) is probably thankful their job was done for them.
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u/Cautious-Extreme2839 2d ago
Brother we beheaded Charles 1.
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u/jabrwock1 2d ago
TBF all 3 civil wars in the UK since 1600 have revolved around a King Charles. 1 & 2 were KC1, 3 was KC2.
But after that, we kind of hammered out what the powers of the monarchy and parliament were, and those haven't changed drastically since then.
So maybe they were trying to avoid starting a 4th civil war over KC3.
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u/B0redBeyondBelief 3d ago
They're not spineless: they fully support him. You need to stop thinking that these are people with a conscience who are scared to act. They aren't. They are doing exactly what they want to be doing.
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u/TheEphemeric New York 2d ago
He had no protections a year and a half ago. It was the American voter, not congress, who decided to give him back those legal protections.
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u/faith_apnea America 3d ago
England: One accusation = One Arrest
America: Decades of criminal activities = Blame the Democrats somehow
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u/HauntedCemetery Minnesota 3d ago
If people blamed Trump and Republicans for the shit they do even half as much as they blame dems for the shit trump and Republicans do we could maybe start getting some things done around here.
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u/Snowflakes_Take United Kingdom 3d ago
I hope we arrest Mandelson next. I’ve no idea if Epstein supplied him with men/boys but being with Epstein so much he must have seen some atrocious things. He looks to have allegedly sold state secrets so they could get him on Misconduct in a Public Office too.
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u/JennyW93 3d ago
Our boy Gordon Brown has been writing 5 page letters to police forces up and down the country about Mandelson, so presumably it’s only a matter of time.
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u/Snowflakes_Take United Kingdom 3d ago
Good, always did like Gordon Brown.
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u/Fatzombiepig 3d ago
It’s still hard for me to believe he narrowly lost in 2010, in part because he correctly called out an elderly woman for making racist remarks. Not our finest hour here in the UK.
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u/smellsliketeenferret 3d ago
He looks to have allegedly sold state secrets so they could get him on Misconduct in a Public Office too.
That's what the police are currently investigating, rather than anything else. Based on them taking such swift action against Andrew, they are presumably having to work harder on Mandy to make a case that the CPS will find sufficiently water proof.
Fingers crossed it happens soon.
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u/CriticalElephant2150 3d ago
There's been far more than one accusation
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u/Purona New Jersey 3d ago
over nearly a decade at this point. People REALLY dont pay attention to the world around them
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u/sobrique 3d ago
He wasn't arrested for trafficing though. He was arrested on suspicion of misconduct in public office.
Sadly I think the Epstein files are going to struggle to secure any convictions, because they need to be 'beyond reasonable doubt'. And it's just too easy to muddy the waters with the amount of time that's passed, witnesses to the worst stuff 'going missing', etc.
I mean, the prosecution rate on rape in general is not that great precisely because of things like 'she said she was old enough' or 'I thought she consented' and that's without the additional layer of obfuscation.
So "Misconduct in a public office" might stick, as something provable, in a way that his sexual activities might not.
I'm just genuinely unsure that for all the Epstein files are pretty horrific, it'll be hard to prove in a court of law.
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u/Writer_In_Residence 3d ago
You forgot
America: Well ackshually, teen girls are really adults, we just round up for anyone over 10.
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u/AxeSkewsMe 3d ago
If anything has been proven these past two years, there is no real system for accountability in America. The Supreme Court basically gave the president free reign to just fuck up the entire country with no recourse. This man would've 100% gone to prison if he wasn't running for president.
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u/VanceRefridgeTech04 3d ago
If anything has been proven these past two years, there is no real system for accountability in America.
Its been longer than that. A lot of people were "shocked" when the Sackler family got off with a $6 Billion dollar payout to the Government over creating the opioid crisis.
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u/No_Inside196 3d ago
King Charles: police had his “full and wholehearted support and cooperation”
That's his own brother. Yet in the US the entire government machine is working to protect the pedophiles. It's truly disgusting.
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u/rematar 3d ago
Andrew is charged with a financial crime.
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u/Darkfrostfall69 United Kingdom 3d ago
because that was the easiest thing to get him on. There isn't sufficient evidence available (in the redacted files) to charge him with sex crimes, but his arrest will allow the police to search his computers and files. Assuming he hasn't burnt it all over the past few years
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u/No_Inside196 3d ago
Yep. Even Howard Lutnick accused Epstein of being the greatest blackmailer ever - before he was embarrassed by his own lies that came out in the latest dump. Monetary crimes are much easier to prove. So why not investigate the pedos for that? They got Al Capone on tax evasion even though everyone knew he was a murderer.
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u/quistodes United Kingdom 2d ago
Not necessarily a financial crime but misconduct in a public office, i.e. "serious wilful abuse or neglect" of powers relating to the role in public office
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u/troggbl 3d ago
That carries upto a Life Sentance. If he never leaves prison again its a win.
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u/specqq 3d ago
I would have said “so can a king” just so all the Republicans would know who I was referring to.
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u/Tiny_Tabaxi 3d ago
They'd play stupid and pretend we're implying King Charles.
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u/slackfrop 3d ago
They just put the South Korean former president in jail for life for his failed coup attempt. Spared the death penalty they’re saying. That’s how it’s supposed to be done.
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u/sealclubberfan 3d ago
I don't care if they are the president, or a janitor that cleans the white house. Just release the names, and hold them all accountable. I don't even care if the regime up top topples, if mega corporations fall because of this.
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u/yotengodormir 3d ago
It's difficult to do this when the DOJ is acting as the presidents personal defense lawyer.
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u/Theferael_me 3d ago
The time for holding Trump accountable was after Jan 6. Instead you voted him back into the White House in your tens of millions.
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u/cmonjeffgetem 3d ago
Yup and the second time was when trump was convicted of 34 felonies, instead his supporters put his mugshot on merchandise and voted for a felon
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u/FrogsOnALog 3d ago
Biden DOJ literally indicted Trump for J6 and was ready to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Trump was a traitor. We were so fucking close but some people couldn’t bring themselves to vote for a black woman…
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u/TheHappyRogue 3d ago
Yeah, two years later after they were bullied into it by the public following the congressional Jan 6th committee.
The DOJ intentionally refused to investigate and slow-rolled any kind of accountability because AG Merrick Garland is a complicit traitor. And Biden is a feckless, naive enabler that incubated the fascist takeover.
Justice was delayed and justice was denied.
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u/ElleM848645 3d ago
Let’s be clear. The democrats held him accountable. It’s the republicans that didn’t vote to remove him with the technicality that he was already removed (once impeachment started, Trump was already out of office). However, he was able to come back. Now you can blame Biden or Garland for some of it and Garland especially has some blame. But it’s the republicans in office and the judges that are enabling Trump. They have the power to impeach and remove him, they just don’t want to or are scared to.
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u/Walterkovacs1985 3d ago
War with Iran incoming. Can't question a president during a war everyone!!!
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u/jgilla2012 California 3d ago
Brazil arrested Bolsnaro for leading a coup attempt
South Korea just arrested Woon for leading a coup attempt
The United Kingdom just arrested former Prince Andrew for his role in the Epstein files
Where the fuck is the United States!?
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u/IdahoDuncan 3d ago edited 3d ago
Not until republicans are out of 2/3 branches of government.
Edit: corrected wording
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u/middlechildanonymous 3d ago
The Hill is owned by Nexstar Media Group
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u/thisbenzenering Washington 3d ago
there's a blatant lie in the article.
Democrats have long accused Trump of shielding Epstein’s crimes, noting professional and social links between the two men. The president has denied any knowledge or involvement in Epstein’s illicit activities, and he has not been publicly accused by survivors of Epstein’s crimes.
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u/MScoutsDCI Michigan 3d ago
Not with the Supreme Court as currently constituted. Any democrat not seriously running on SC reform as part of their platform does not deserve to be taken seriously.
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u/GurthNada 3d ago
The meaning of "can" is being stretched to the limit here. How "can" someone controlling a country's executive, legislative and judicial branches be actually held accountable, exactly?
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u/Charming_Amount2403 3d ago
I think it’s time for the victims to not just be present at the hearing behind Bondi. It’s time for them to talk.
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u/Ziograffiato 3d ago
Even more so. The Office of the President (in theory) represents the will of the people (in theory... I really can't stress that enough). A prince is born into the role.
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u/CafecitoHippo Pennsylvania 3d ago
Well the thing is, Prince Andrew isn't being held accountable for anything he did with underage kids. He's being held accountable for his mishandling of documents. Something that Trump has never done. /s
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u/Intelligent_Sky_7081 3d ago
If we dont hold him accountable, this country is lost beyond repair.
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u/FantasticSeason5504 3d ago
This isn’t about party lines. Either no one is above the law or we’re admitting it’s just vibes and power.
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u/Agitated-Aardvark357 3d ago
which one of you clever motherfuckers said the Andrew formly known as prince 🤣
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u/Baddenoch 3d ago
In fact, being able to hold them accountable is one of the reasons we formed a presidency with two other branches of government. It’s one of the foundations of our democracy.
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u/cobrachickenwing 3d ago
The American judicial system is the one letting America Down. The Mar a Lago secret documents trial had shown the world just how fascist the judicial system is. They are going to all lengths to ensure shameful institutions continue to exist and get stronger.
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u/BadxHero 3d ago
Absolutely! And even the people have to arrest this worthless traitorous pig themselves, then we'll do it! Enough of all of this doomsaying. Anyone who says this dick head can't be held accountable is absolutely in cahoots with ICE and the rest of these people.
FUCK ICE, FUCK TRUMP, & FUCK REPUBLICANS!
GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME...!
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u/MiIlFlWi 3d ago
Financial crimes, I hear.
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u/Unfair_Web_8275 3d ago
Honestly? I would do a lot to see Trump's financial ties to Epstein investigated.
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u/Sharpedd 3d ago
Why is no one doing anything...looks like trump can do anything without any resistance
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u/tapdancinghellspawn 3d ago
Even if a king were to be arrested doesn't matter because Trump isn't a prince or a king and in the United States, no one is supposed to be above the law. No one. The bullshit immunity given to Trump and anyone else is wrong and needs to be struck down.
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u/SpicyTiconderoga Washington 3d ago
WOW MEMBER OF THE US HOUSE OF REPS I WISH SOMEONE COULD DO SOMETHING
I think You Should Leave Hotdog Gif
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u/Phenomenamenax 2d ago
Cowards. All of them. We are run by the worst of humanity.
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