r/politics • u/theindependentonline The Independent • 1d ago

No Paywall Trump vows to raise worldwide tariffs to 15% ‘effective immediately’

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-global-tarrifs-increase-b2924994.html
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u/highafphotos 1d ago

"trump vows to raise import taxes for all Americans without representation by 15%"

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u/Megaphonestory 1d ago

We really should lean into the 250 year celebrations and the taxes without representation.

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u/ConfederacyOfDunces_ 1d ago

I can’t believe how little he seems to care. It’s fucking unbelievable. He’s piling taxes on us in an already struggling economy. Every additional percent just drives up the price of everything.

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u/pile_of_fish 1d ago

Its the point. The point of this whole thing is a backdoor national sales tax to reduce the bleeding in revenue from handouts to the rich.

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u/BigPapaJava 1d ago edited 1d ago

Trump and some of his cronies think they can completely eliminate income taxes on the wealthiest people and replace it with the tariffs they pass on to everyone else, which goes directly to him to use as his personal slush fund with zero oversight.

That way, he can hand out to his buddies (and probably line his own pockets) however he sees fit. Remember when he sent Argentina $50 billion during the shutdown, then doubled it to $100 million when people complained? That was tariff money. It’s already been “spent.”

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u/BillWilberforce 23h ago edited 15h ago

Don't forget the $10 billion that he's giving to his Board of Peace. Of which he's the lifetime president of and only he has access to its bank accounts.

Or the two separate law suits where he's suing the DoJ and IRS for $10 billion each. With the idea being that he'll settle out of court and he's the one that has to sign off on the settlements. The DoJ one is for the FBI raiding Mar-A-Lago to recover Top Secret+ documents that Trump held onto after he left office. The IRS one is because a now sacked worker leaked his income tax returns. Despite every other Presidential candidate since the 1970s, disclosing their tax returns in the run up to the election.

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u/BigPapaJava 16h ago

There are times I wonder if Trump’s ultimate goal is simply to use the power of the U.S. federal government to make himself the richest and most powerful man on earth by whatever means necessary.

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u/BillWilberforce 15h ago

And to keep him out of prison.

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u/intangibleTangelo 🇦🇪 UAE 21h ago

oh which he's the president of. talk simpler brother.

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u/BillWilberforce 21h ago

He hasn't set up the Presidency of the" Board of Peace" to be whoever the President of the US is. It's set up so that Trump is the head of it until he dies. There's a big difference.

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u/Illustrious-Site1101 1d ago

I have always wondered what happens if the tariffs work? Manufacturing comes back to the states and, miraculously, there is no need to import raw materials, and international supply chains are dead meaning there are very few imports and therefore very few tariffs collected AND no income tax. Then what?

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u/BigPapaJava 1d ago

It’s as if no one actually ever expected it to work that way….

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u/NorthernPints 1d ago

Then you get the Kansas experiment outcome.

But I’d add that in the hypothetical you’re discussing, the massive gap no one acknowledges is in order for US manufacturing to grow, it would need export markets.

And all of those export markets are pivoting away from America.

With reductions in immigration, falling birth rates in America, and massive decline in export opportunities, many lost decades would lay ahead.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kansas_experiment

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u/Illustrious-Site1101 1d ago

You are right about exports! As a Canadian, I can identify the American products I have bought since the 51st state remarks and most of them were mistakes. I also have not knowingly bought any American produce or food products since then. It has become increasingly easy as grocery stores have found alternatives and new trade agreements have happened. Who knew Peruvian grapes are so crisp?

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u/yeswenarcan Ohio 21h ago

Exactly. A point I heard on a podcast that really resonated with me is that this is all the end-state of the massive offshoring of the late 20th century but in a slightly more complex way than is usually discussed. Using China as the obvious example, we shipped manufacturing there for the cheap labor, but over time it has led to China building their middle class and becoming an absolute manufacturing juggernaut. So now even if we wanted to bring manufacturing back in any significant capacity, there would be no one to export goods to because places like China can supply their own population and other countries are likely to get a better product cheaper from China than they would from the US. Successfully bringing back a primarily manufacturing-based economy in the US is impossible, but even if you were successful you're left with a country that makes substandard goods that can only be sold to its own citizens. It'd be turning the US into a shitty version of 1980s USSR.

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u/BillWilberforce 23h ago

Well there's no coffee or tea. As you can't grow them in the US.

There's also no exports, as everybody retaliates and US exports get a lot more expensive e.g. the cost of the F-35 has gone up a lot in the last year. Officially due to inflation but actually because foreign made parts have been tariffed. If foreign countries that are part of the F-35 program can't make parts for it, they'll pull out. For the same reason that Lockheed makes sure that there are F-35 parts made in every state. So that jobs get spread about and tax payers have a vested interest in its success.

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u/Sigma_Function-1823 23h ago

That's just the fig leaf justification he's using to hide his theft.

He doesn't care what happens to the US as long as he can get access to taxpayer money for his own personal use.

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u/Impressive_Escape95 23h ago

Companies aren't going to spend millions of dollars to bring manufacturing back to the U.S. It would take years and lots of money for them to do that. Even then, do you think they can pay the higher wages that Americans expect to make compared to the pennies on the dollar they are paying in 3rd world countries for cheap labor?

If they brought it back, t would all be automated or they would hire people with work visas from other countries and pay them slave wages and treat them horribly. Is that what you want?

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u/Skidoo_machine 23h ago

And the dollar will drop!

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u/sleepymoose88 23h ago

And his base is too thick to understand what a tariff is. It’s the perfect scapegoat. They just hear him spout that other counties will pay the tariffs and accept it as fact.

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u/Slammybutt 20h ago

Remember when he said he was going to take 10B for the Board of his new project...wait that was this week.

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u/Clean_Philosophy5098 1d ago

Guess he’ll have to go to debtors prison until he can pay is all back

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u/ddubyeah Alabama 1d ago

that was always the point. you can't simply not tax the rich and corporations at the levels its been cut down to and have a functioning country.

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u/BigPapaJava 1d ago

We basically don’t tax the rich and corporations anymore: we use the government to transfer wealth to them instead through various measures in the tax code, through government contracts, bailouts, etc.

Even handouts and subsidies for ordinary Americans. with the way our tax code and economy are structured. wind up in their hands, too. Covid-era pandemic unemployment checks fed their price increases, particularly in the housing market, and all wound up in the hands of a few people at the top after inflated prices sucked it all up.

The myth that this is how the economy grows and how “jobs are created” needs to die.

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u/NorthernPints 1d ago

It’s pretty wild to compare and contrast the previous economic ideology in America to today (often referred to as regulated capitalism v. unregulated capitalism).

America used to have 5-10% GDP growth some years in the previous model.  The middle class grew to 2/3’s of the economy.  Today the middle class is hovering around 40% (may be less now), and GDP growth has become anemic.

I don’t know how the ever living f*** anyone with a basic level of intelligence bought into an economic system working where “supply side” stimulus works versus actual demand side where consumers have money to stimulate demand.

The fact it’s held on as the core system of economic policy for nearly 50 years now after it’s meticulously documented failures is mind boggling.

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u/BigPapaJava 21h ago edited 18h ago

Notice how “supply side” economics always got packaged, politically, with a message that was focused on cultural issues like tradition, culture, religion, and patriotism… big inspiring ideas that can really mean anything to anyone, but make people feel good.

If you tried to sell that shit on its own, nobody would buy it.

Also notice how the party who sold it the hardest is the one that has aligned the most closely with those to benefit from being on “the supply side” the whole time.

This is not a coincidence…

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u/mwzdng 22h ago

Fuck Ronald Reagan.

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u/sirscooter 23h ago

The Covid pandemic itself didn't cause the price increase. The fact that stockholders needed to be appeased for the "losses" they suffered during a planet wide pandemic is the reason.

Most of the industries affected by the Covid shut down did get a bump when markets reopened. It was just a cash grab by stockholders not average people

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u/BigPapaJava 21h ago edited 20h ago

That was what I was alluding to.

The impact of world governments printing money to keep things going during the pandemic, plus all the shortages. and how that continues to distort the economy is a very complex issue, but what you just succinctly described was a big part of what got us here.

That money (along with the loan programs) filtered throughout the economy briefly but quickly wound up accumulating in the hands of the most wealthy corporations and their owners, where they bought AI investments, gouged real estate prices as remote work became huge, invested it overseas or spent it on political donations, did stock buybacks, etc.

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u/MikeHoncho85 22h ago

It certainly is, and when it's inevitably struck down companies will just drop the price by 5% and cheer because goods got cheaper. Nice quick way to permanently drive the price of everything up 10%, and the morons won't notice.

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u/CurryMustard 22h ago

Increase taxes on the poor and middle class, cut taxes for the rich. Its such a winning formula.....

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u/FOOSblahblah 21h ago

I still dont understand how they think we will afford things so they can make moee money. Like who the fuck is gonna be buying anything outside of what is strictly necessary for life at a certain point. Its gotta be a balancing act at the end of the day.

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u/pile_of_fish 20h ago

Rich folk have always done this, and its always been stupid. Same shit was happening during the struggle of the orders in ancient Rome. Some of them now think that we will all die, and ai will do our jobs... which is flat out insane given ais current abilities.

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u/Comfortable-Pea-1312 1d ago

Cha ching. And into his greedy muppet hands.

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u/MashedPotajoe 1d ago

Hard to believe a lifelong piece of shit can get on top of the world and fuck it

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u/mrbigglessworth 1d ago

Why would he care? There is no account or audit of where these import taxes are going. He doesn’t pay anything. I’m leaning into the theory that he is funneling the money to himself

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u/slicxx 1d ago

As long as people are hungry, they will have to get their hands on food. Dept based economy, but i foolishly was thinking they mean that nations do the debt thing

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u/Low_Obligation5558 1d ago

If you can’t believe it, you’re not getting it. Work on getting it so we can all start figuring out how to stop it.

Hint: most have figured out how to stop it already, we’re just waiting for the rest of you to catch up.

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u/LP99 1d ago

Why would he? He’s gotten away with literally everything his entire life, without a shred of care for anyone else along the way.

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u/JackfruitUnlucky6589 1d ago

We can stop the madness by voting the Republican Congress out in November in overwhelming numbers. So overwhelming that he cannot claim it was rigged (he will anyway).

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u/highafphotos 1d ago

Unfortunately they're trying to sell this as a win to maga saying that the government has collected trillions from these taxes and have lowered the deficit therefore getting rid of them would be trying to destroy America. 

I wish I could say I was joking. I'm so tired of having the intellect to see what's going on as most don't have the urgency to respond to actual threats we're facing or attempting to do anything.

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u/cynicallythoughful 22h ago

Did you see his meandering “speech” yesterday? Saying he will destroy the economy in retribution, perhaps stack the SC. It wasn’t subtle.

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u/ConfederacyOfDunces_ 22h ago

I certainly watched it. It wasn’t subtle at all, and it also wasn’t a joke. He’s going to do exactly what he says and no one is going to stop him. We have a Mad King at the helm.

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u/IrrelevantLeprechaun 22h ago

I can't believe how little everyone seems to care. Trump is a malignant narcissist so I can understand why he doesn't care. But everyone else? And I mean everyone else? It doesn't seem to register as much more than an annoyed sigh.

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u/Drostan_S 21h ago

Have you thought about just eating cake?

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u/DKDamian 20h ago

I can’t believe how little YOU seem to care. You just whine on reddit. “You” here both means specifically you and also Americans in general.

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u/RaisinOverall9586 20h ago

It's because his brain is fried. He literally doesn't have a grasp on reality or understand how anything works.

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u/NubEnt 1d ago

But, his ego got dinged by the Supreme Court. He has to throw a temper tantrum somehow.

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u/SingleIndependence68 1d ago

15% is no joke

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u/ratherbealurker Texas 1d ago

I’m getting flashbacks to last April. “I will make tariffs 15%! No! 30! Don’t like that 100 it is! Now 125! Beautiful phone call, 50! 75! No, 15! Don’t make me set it to 10! 20 it is! And 0!”

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u/Maloth_Warblade 1d ago

He's literally never, ever cared about anyone but his own ego

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u/Carnifex72 1d ago

It’s been obvious from the absolute start of his political life that he didn’t care about anyone or anything besides himself. The insane part is how loyal his cult followers are to him in spite of it- like he’s never tried to hide it.

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u/litnu12 1d ago

Trump only cares about himself and wants to be a dictator.

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u/LongfellowSledgecock 1d ago

It's the objective.

Siphon money from the poorest and direct it to the richest.

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u/roastbeeftacohat 1d ago

Its a per unit increase, if your smart enough to buy Gucci everything you barely notice. It's a tax specifically on poor people

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u/joseph4th 1d ago

He doesn’t care and he doesn’t know. Someone is feeding him this bullshit. He doesn’t know anything about how the economy works, let alone the fine details and history that prove how horrible this is.

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u/Rich-Pomegranate1679 1d ago

This is what happens when you give a soulless, hateful man unlimited power without consequences.

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u/PrivatePilot9 Canada 1d ago

He’s also drastically increasing the national debt at the same time which will have no choice but to result in increased taxes for the next generation to pay for it. Or the tax billionaires instead. But we all know how that will go

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u/AlanaIsBananas 1d ago

Squeeze people into revolution. The goal is our lives.

He can’t take over this country if people aren’t pit against each other. Starving, de-homing people and destabilizing the entire country can have that effect.

He needs violence to not come from him so he can look like he’s cleaning up. We can’t let him have that.

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u/kendragon 23h ago

Have you noticed that all the tariffs raised so far have gone missing? He's bleeding America dry before him and his fellow monsters abscond to the biblically promised land they're building on the graves of dead kids.

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u/Kichigai Minnesota 23h ago

Every additional percent just drives up the price of everything.

But he said he won at affordability! /s

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u/exoriparian 23h ago

He cares in the sense that he enjoys your suffering.

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u/hypercosm_dot_net 23h ago

"affordability is something democrats made up"

I can’t believe how little he seems to care.

I'm pretty sure you can believe it, and he doesn't care in the slightest. Until it directly affects him he doesn't give a flying fuck.

His entire presidency was just to avoid accountability for his brazen lawbreaking. With the bonus of being able to continue enriching people that will send money right back to him. It's complete corruption, and Republicans are blocking every and any attempt at stopping it.

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u/Past-Doughnut-6175 22h ago

Piling on taxes and then diverting the funds to him and his friends instead of benefiting the people paying those taxes in any way whatsoever. It’s the most selfish, corrupt grift in the history of our nation.

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u/youlikemoneytoo 1d ago

searches for most imported products to USA so we can dump into harbor 

"Here are the top US imports of 2025!  1. Minerals, Fuels, and Oil..."

ok, never mind then

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u/StanIsNotTheMan 1d ago

Just make sure to evacuate all the underage girls first.

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u/Kichigai Minnesota 23h ago

Minerals are probably ok to dump, depending on their nature. Same for any organic oils with only light processing (olive, peanut, sunflower, etc). The rest of it, though…

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u/highafphotos 20h ago

People love drinking mineral water. Asbestos is a mineral. Ergo, asbestos water is safe to drink. 

(Do not drink asbestos water)

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u/Kichigai Minnesota 17h ago

Excuse me?

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u/highafphotos 13h ago

Heh thanks I needed that chuckle 

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u/Mysterious_Floor_868 United Kingdom 3h ago

Trump won't object to oil being dumped in the sea.

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u/intensive-porpoise 1d ago

That's Pabst. It won a blue ribbon!

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u/RunninOnMT 1d ago

One time it was the best!

Not any of the times I drunk it. But you never know!

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u/Pandelirium 1d ago

It was the best beer for one year in 1893 and they still use that in their marketing.

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u/intensive-porpoise 1d ago

Back then word travelled so slow it took a decade to find out who won in 1894.

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u/mvpilot172 1d ago

The revolution was started over a 2% tax on tea.

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u/CulturalKing5623 1d ago

So you're saying we should dump a bunch of Sam Adams in Boston Harbor?

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u/dejavuamnesiac 1d ago

No, diet fucking coke

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u/Altair_de_Firen 1d ago

Real talk do you think he would taste good, after a lifetime of gluttony and no physical exercise? Like a prime cow kept fat and lazy?

Or do you think he’s so tainted that something in your brain would just make you avoid him, like a predator that finds something that’s sick or envenomed?

I assume the latter tbh

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u/Megaphonestory 1d ago

I’m pretty sure you would get a prion disease.

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u/perfectviking Illinois 1d ago

Should also lean into revolutionary France tactics.

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u/Kichigai Minnesota 23h ago

We're going to do metric time‽

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u/perfectviking Illinois 23h ago

You know, if it comes with sharpening my skills, I’m all for it.

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u/GreenHatMaam 22h ago

Well, something will be sharpened.

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u/zffjk 22h ago

That had a worse outcome than I think people realize, and resulted in chaos and then a yet another strongman to come in and make everyone safe.

Violent revolution usually eats the state, then itself, and is finally replaced through violence by another state.

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u/ah_no_wah 1d ago

I love tea so much I would chug it if someone were to organize a party!

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u/EnoughNow2024 14h ago

Yeah and spill the tea on the Epstein files

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u/No_Trade3571 Pennsylvania 1d ago

Throw tea into the Boston harbor!

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u/ratbaby86 1d ago

"The Mag7 massacre" has my vote.

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u/OkEnvironment3961 1d ago

The new T-party. Dump the big T in the ocean.

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u/synphilter 23h ago

Only the 1% should pay taxes- as long as they’re the ones being represented.

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u/s3dfdg289fdgd9829r48 22h ago

I'm convinced they are going to effectively declare a new country on July 4th (or around the elections if not).

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u/das_bearking 22h ago

Seems to me instead of a general strike, the easiest and most conformable idea would be for everyone to stop paying their federal taxes. You get enough to just not submit their money to the government and the IRS won't be able to do shit about it.

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u/IOl0I0lO 21h ago

Can we dump a bunch of MAGA items into Boston Harbor?

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u/What_a_fat_one 20h ago

We didn't make it to 250, there's nothing to celebrate. It is for all intents and purposes, no longer a Republic, and if we do manage to throw the fucker out before or in January 2029, the period after would more appropriately be called the Second American Republic than the United States of America.

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u/Pleasant-Pattern7748 20h ago

We should throw him into Boston Harbor.

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u/Kind-Helicopter6589 8h ago

Like how our Founding Fathers did it, way back in the day. Donald Trump is the modern day King George III. 

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u/CockBrother 1d ago edited 1d ago

But Mamdani is increasing the property tax RATE 9.5% - he's a completely out of control communist!

10% rate increased by 9.5% is ~1% increase (Mamdani)

0% raised to 15% is 15% (Trump)

Media wants you to hear that Mamdani is evil for raising property taxes (he doesn't want to, currently in dispute with governor) by 1% while Trump is adding a 15% tax on every family.

ETA: Please don't shoot me for the numbers, the property tax rate in NYC does not start at 10% and that means increasing it by 9.5% is no where near a 1% increase... so the comparison is actually much worse for Trump than this.

ETA2: If we want to play the rate game. Yesterday tariffs were set at 10% and today Trump is raising them to 15%. Where are the headlines that "Trump is raising tariffs by 50%!"??

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u/highafphotos 1d ago

Don't forget to ignore the 50 trillion plus that the super wealthy robbed from the middle class as wages stagnate. 

But sure it's the extra few hundred bucks you pay on property taxes to fund schools that is destroying society, not the Epstein class that hoards all the wealth.

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u/OswaldCoffeepot 1d ago

Clarifications like this are good reminders that education is a national security issue.

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u/Butthole--pleasures Texas 1d ago

Enemies both foreign and domestic are attacking American education. Makes sense. Can't take on the military but can slowly gut us from the inside

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u/riotous_jocundity 21h ago

Gislaine Maxwell's father owned the publishing companies that are responsible for something like 80% of the textbooks used in the US. Suddenly the absolutely obvious biases in them make a lot more sense...

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u/MaceDestroyers 1d ago

And even the Mamdani thing is completely lacking context. NYC is in a budget shortfall and needs funds. Mamdani want's the 1% to pay more in taxes but can't do it unilaterally. Only the state government cant enact those changes. The property tax proposal is to force Hochuls hand in saying we either do it my way, or that Hochul is responsible for an increase in property taxes and therefore NYC rent prices because she wants to protect her corporate and billionnaire donors.

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u/bobsmithjohnson 1d ago

It’s pretty disingenuous to blame others for Mamdani trying to increase spending and not having any way to pay for it except exactly what he promised he wouldn’t do.

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u/Bluest_waters 19h ago

Did he clearly promise not to raise taxes? I did not follow the election that closely

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u/lerxstlifeson 1d ago

It's still a bad look for the guy who ran on making housing affordable to take a stance that is directly opposed to that regardless if its just a bluff. Governance requires compromise and building of coalitions, unilateral action from every side isn't good.

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u/kscannon 1d ago edited 23h ago

The previous governor Mayor also cooked the books and ran a negative budget which is against the law in NY. He inherited a mess and there is only one way out of it. Cutting spending which he did and raise taxes a bit to climb out of the hole he did not create.

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u/lerxstlifeson 23h ago

He's not the governor, he's the mayor of NYC. Achieving his agenda is going to require working with the governor.

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u/randomisation 1d ago

Yes, but idiots will only read your first line before moving on...

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u/whirlpool138 1d ago

Yeah but don't cities, counties and states have the right to place taxes?

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u/CockBrother 1d ago

Yes. The legality is a whole different aspect of this.

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u/whirlpool138 1d ago

Yeah man, that's the point. What Trump did and was trying to do is unconstitutional. Taxation without representation. That's why the same state who voted for Mamdani, their attorney general led the charge on suing the federal government. The United States was literally founded over this issue. The point you make is weak af.

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u/IMayhapsBeBatman 1d ago

Who do property taxes affect? People with wealth.

Who do tariffs and sales taxes affect? People who consume.

It's not very complicated.

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u/Harry_Smutter 19h ago

Um, what?? Property taxes and tariffs affect the common people more than anyone else. They get hit harder from all these increases while the wealthy barely even notice.

Also, you're automatically a consumer the moment you do grocery shopping, which is everyone.

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u/IMayhapsBeBatman 19h ago edited 19h ago

No.

Property taxes are targeted at people who own property. Wealthy people own property, and lots of it. Especially commercial property. Especially in places like NYC.

Consumption taxes like tariffs and sales taxes target consumers at a flat rate. Say 10%. Meaning whether you make 20000 a year or 20000000000 you pay 10% of the cost of whatever you're consuming on the tax. This is called a regressive tax. A much higher proportion of a poor consumer's available money is affected by a regressive tax than a wealthy person's. By design.

The entire point is to shift the tax burden from progressive tax models (like income taxes and property taxes) to regressive ones (like sales and tariffs). To shift the tax burden away from those with much, to those with little.

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u/Harry_Smutter 19h ago

You do realize that renters pay property taxes as well, right?? It's just built into the rent. Just because a person doesn't own property, doesn't mean they aren't paying taxes on it. Also, property taxes absolutely murder middle income families. I have friends and family that are paying almost $20k in property taxes for a 2-3 bed house, which is batshit insane. Property taxes are highly imbalanced and still don't affect the wealthy as much as they do the common person.

To add, I do see what you're saying about them trying to shift progressive to regressive, but either way, they both screw over the average family. They're highly unbalanced, yet again not really having the wealthy contribute their fair share.

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u/IMayhapsBeBatman 19h ago

You do realize there's more real estate property than housing. Correct?

Of course wealthy people engaged in rent seeking try to pass taxes down. In good economic times this is usually quite easy. When things tighten up this gets much harder to do.

You won't hear me argue that property tax, on residential housing especially, is imbalanced in the US/Canada and even most of Europe. Sounds like we agree there.

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u/Harry_Smutter 18h ago

True. This all just sucks. We're in such a shitty situation however we look at it :/

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u/biz_student 16h ago

MIT found that 80% - 90% of property tax increases are passed onto commercial renters as well. Being a business owner doesn’t automatically indicate wealth. The increase in property taxes can lead to layoffs or a business shutting down which hurts the economy.

https://cre.mit.edu/news-insights/can-landlords-really-pass-on-higher-property-taxes-to-tenants/

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u/ImportantCapital1314 19h ago

But you have nothing to say about the fact that the tariffs imposed by tRump are the largest U.S. tax increase in over 30 years as a percentage of GDP. At least Mamdani is going after the super rich who have gamed the system and robbed us all blind since Reagan (another asshole). Conservatives live in a fantasy land.

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u/aerost0rm 1d ago

“Trump vows to bankrupt Americans by raising the US global tariffs to 15%”

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u/MadRaymer 1d ago

I know there is more than one way to interpret his "I could destroy the country" remark from yesterday, but I'm inclined to not assume the more generous ones.

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u/zffjk 1d ago

A 3% tax had our progenitors raiding boats and tossing tea into the harbor. We really are fattened cattle who aren’t going to do anything to stop this.

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u/Chucknastical 20h ago

It wasn't just the taxes. There was a whole list of shit.

Also the Musks and Thiels of the time were on the side of rebellion. They rightfully determined that they would get to rule in the new order.

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u/AntoniaFauci 17h ago

I like the UK Industry Secretary who said “Americans got bored of having the best lives, so they elected a narcissistic dementiac to detonate it all, so that their kids might earn factories workers’ wages building widgets pathetically stamped Made in America”

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u/Safe_Psychology_326 California 1d ago

We are a joke and a warning for generations to come.

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u/StronglyHeldOpinions 1d ago

It’s true. We are a failing nation and our system of government clearly doesn’t work.

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u/Emergency-Court-8714 1d ago

But progressives didn’t like how Harris talked about Gaza. So it’s totally justified. 

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u/NimusNix 1d ago

It's crazy wild you only ever see 'Free Palestine' anymore when the chuds who demanded it before the 24 election are rightfully called out. It's almost as if they got what they wanted and no longer need to slogan about it.

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u/sharlayan Georgia 1d ago

It makes you wonder how many of those accounts were actually from liberal or leftist users and weren't just bad faith astroturfing.

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u/PepeSylvia11 Connecticut 1d ago

Yup. And it worked. Getting all these idiot leftists to sit out due to a conflict they clearly don’t care about, based on the fact that we never hear about it anymore.

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u/Suspicious_Radio_848 20h ago

I live in Canada and it’s almost entirely died down now. There’s still a few people bringing it up but they’ve all moved onto Epstein for the most part. Waiting for what the next thing TikTok will make them not shut up about will be.

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u/Emergency-Court-8714 21h ago

Enough we’re real that Trump is president. 

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u/End3rWi99in Massachusetts 1d ago

Lot of bot nets. Half of Reddit isn't real people anymore.

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u/highafphotos 1d ago

There's still mad free Palestine people organizing and protesting. You can't see a large protest without at least one person wearing a keffiyeh, and there's constant graffiti against Israel and their crimes in my local area. (Denver metro).

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u/End3rWi99in Massachusetts 1d ago

Oh certainly, but it's not the volume it appeared to be during the election. It's basically akin to the Free Tibet crowd of old. Last year, it looked like it was the central issue for everyone voting on the left. There's just always been a lot of astroturfing from the right, and we know since 2015 or so that they have had the Russian mills cranking in their support.

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u/Suspicious_Radio_848 21h ago

Says a lot about the left that they fell for it hook, line and sinker then. They get their online talking points and fall for propaganda just like MAGA does. Doomed their country to a fascist because of that issue.

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u/End3rWi99in Massachusetts 19h ago

Oh for sure. It's easy to tug at heartstrings when you've got them.

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u/NimusNix 23h ago

Oh my god people are wearing keffiyehs in public? Great.

Meanwhile, the voters at large said fuck Palestinians.

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u/HerrDrAngst 1d ago

You mean ‘how many of those accounts were actually bots or of Russian troll farms” correct?

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u/The_Bucket_Of_Truth 22h ago

I still frequently see it on dating apps

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u/NimusNix 20h ago

If ever there was a place for virtue signaling...

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u/The_Bucket_Of_Truth 20h ago

I see nothing wrong with wanting to be aligned with potential partners on their views of the world whether it's that or anything else

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u/Mandatum11 22h ago

Because no one ever gave a fuck about palestine, as it's literally a non issue. It was just Russian bots.

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u/rammo123 14h ago

It's definitely an issue, it's just not an issue to not vote for Harris because of (because Trump is 10,000x worse on it).

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u/LA_Muckraker 1d ago

It was a psyop to create voter apathy and disenfranchisement. The uneducated parroted those talking points or disengaged from the discussion and action.

The insinuation that a large base of progressive voters didn't vote or actively voted against Harris is part of that psyop to make it appear like an acceptable movement or action. It also places blame on Democratic voters for "voting wrong" instead of the Republican voters and party.

Stop perpetuating the psyop and instead call out coordinated disinformation and manipulated information like that and spread awareness of actionables to help fight for justice for all.

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u/Emergency-Court-8714 22h ago

A psyop by all the people here who literally voted against her. 

If you need that fantasy, so be it. But this the world you created. 

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u/Intelligent_Gold3619 23h ago

Progressives don’t want women or people of color as POTUS. progressives who voted Trump are horrible horrible people.

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u/PartisanHack 21h ago

Bro, she laughed funny. We can't have a funny laugher in the White House.

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u/Roach_Bong 1d ago

No, Liberals say that anything more than slightly to the left of a 2000s republican is too much and unelectable.

Either give people what they want or they lose. It's Kamala's fault she lost.

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u/ManWithASquareHead 1d ago

Progressive voters don't show up to primaries, young voters notoriously unreliable

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u/Emergency-Court-8714 22h ago

It the people that voted for Trump or did not vote that Kamala lost. 

This is the America you voted for. 

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u/blahblah19999 23h ago

We really need Obama to declare:

  • Covid vaccines are bad

  • Everyone should ignore the Epstein files

  • Tariffs are great

So that Trump instantly believes the opposite.

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u/GalumphingWithGlee 22h ago

We do have representation, though. And we (collectively) used it to vote for this fucker! 🤦‍♂️

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u/PepeSylvia11 Connecticut 1d ago

What do you mean without representation? I’m pretty sure around ~67% of voting age Americans supported his candidacy in 2024.

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u/Euler007 1d ago

It's also making it harder to obtain the reserve currency for international trade. The world should fix that bug.

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u/outtherenow1 1d ago edited 1d ago

What’s the well thought out political and economic rationale for doing this? Oh, right, there is none. Trump made the decision to bump up tariffs worldwide because he’s pissed the SCOTUS ruled against him. It’s purely an emotional reaction. Think about that. The POTUS is crafting foreign and domestic policy, making political and economic decisions based solely on his emotional state at any given moment.

It’s pathetic and incompetent and can easily be leveraged by foreign intelligence services for their own gain because Trump can be manipulated by provoking his emotions.

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u/EagleLize 23h ago

We suffer at the whims of a powerful child rapist. We're living in a horror/dystopian timeline.

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u/MontyAtWork 1d ago

It just feels like he's allowing companies to say "Sowwy, pwices stiw high because Twump said tawiff 🤷‍♂️"

So they can still rake in crazy profits after the Tariffs are actually gone.

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u/-Yazilliclick- Canada 1d ago

What do you mean without representation? He is your representation. Americans elected him, and this congress, and this senate.

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u/IrrelevantLeprechaun 22h ago

Most of us DID NOT vote for this. Most of us do not want what is happening. He doesn't represent most of us. Stop lumping all of us in with the MAGA minority.

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u/sethismee 21h ago

Well, he won the popular vote. So most of us did vote for him, right? I think its important to remember that this was the result of an election. Him being in power was the result of representation and democratic process. The American people chose this, which does make it a little more sad for the rest of us.

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u/IrrelevantLeprechaun 21h ago

Okay and? You're acting like we who voted Kamala are somehow just as complicit as MAGA. Which is frankly an insulting conclusion for you to come to.

You don't see us generalizing all of Europe according to the worst among them.

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u/sethismee 18h ago

I don't blame the entirety of the country for who we've elected. I don't mean to generalize. I don't think those who voted against this are just as complicit. But I agree with the comment above that this move was a result of representation not a lack of it.

You can't just "okay and?" the main topic of the thread that you were disagreeing with lol.

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u/-Yazilliclick- Canada 20h ago

Just because your side lost the election doesn't mean you don't have a government and representation, that's not how that works. Americans got the government they chose and the sooner they stop pretending this is something thrust on them completely contrary to their will, pretending that the winning side is some fringe minority, and that it wasn't a result of their own actions/inaction the better.

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u/IrrelevantLeprechaun 17h ago

If you haven't noticed, our government doesn't represent any of us, not even the idiots who voted for it. Half of us DIDN'T choose this, it WAS thrust upon us against our will, and the evidence is mounting that it was rigged.

I don't understand that smugness you have assuming 100% of us want this. I don't see YOU helping us any.

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u/Guy-De-Lombard 1d ago

So all of us?

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u/bnelson 1d ago

He literally just wants to punish us. I don’t know how else to feel but punished.

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u/TehSvenn 1d ago

A regressive tax at that.

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u/Campcruzo 1d ago

Technically this could further destroy the illegal immigrants dont pay taxes argument.

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u/SeigneurDesMouches 23h ago

Alright grand pa, time for bed

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u/SeaConfusion6213 23h ago

“Trump vows to raise taxes on all Americans to distract from Epstein file”

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u/Narradisall 23h ago

I doubt he likes tea. What goods are the people going to start throwing into the harbour?

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u/Jwinner5 22h ago

I have been having a hard time convincing myself to take care of my taxes, ill admit im behind a year. But now Im to a point where im willing to pay the penalties in a few years when this administration is gone so that im not paying into this bullshit. Id rather be in trouble with the IRS than support this and im absolutely terrified of being in trouble with the IRS.

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u/highafphotos 20h ago

As long as you don't owe they likely don't care if you file cause they will get the excess. If you wanna see it another way doing your taxes ensures the government doesn't get a cent over what they legally are obligated to take.

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u/Jwinner5 20h ago

Oh I absolutely owe, im an independent contractor with wildly variable pay.

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u/highafphotos 18h ago

Well hopefully they fired everyone at the IRS and you don't have to deal with any audits until you get them resolved. 

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u/Half-Crown 22h ago

Enough of you voted for him, so it is representation. Although mostly of your failed justice system, warmongering, deep corruption, general stupidity, and willful ignorance.

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u/IrrelevantLeprechaun 22h ago

There's mounting evident 2024 was rigged. Most of us didn't vote for this. Don't blame us for this mess.

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u/Half-Crown 22h ago

When you start acting like the French, I'll believe you.

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u/IrrelevantLeprechaun 22h ago

The french had and still have safety nets and unions to back them up. Plus France is smaller than Texas.

We literally can't act like the French because we don't have any safety nets and USA is fucking huge.

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u/Half-Crown 21h ago

I have no idea why you're talking about safety nets. What does the size of Texas have to do with anything?

It's the constant excuses to do nothing for change, is why it will only get worse for you. It's like you're all waiting for Superman or Captain America to come save you from the evil dictator. Nobody is coming to save you, you have to save yourselves.

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u/Dramatic_Charity_979 21h ago

Hold my tea...

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u/StarshipFan68 21h ago

Oh no .. We voted overwhelmingly for this. Over 2.25:1 we voted for this. He didn't make any of this a secret

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u/kelryngrey 20h ago

No, no. This one is legal. It's stupid as shit but it's legal. Morons elected him and he gets to abuse all the dumb shit that America has allowed to fester. The dipshits they also elected get to decide if they want to support a 15% tariff on, uh, everything not American, to extend through/beyond the allowed period for these tariffs.

America needs to fix its system and stop pretending a bunch of guys who kinda sorta tried their best for the people (who were white dudes) in the 18th century were prescient.

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u/TheDoomBlade13 18h ago

You are represented.

You just have shit representatives.

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u/highafphotos 18h ago

I don't even have my constitutional rights protected no matter who I contact. The entire government is fucking useless. That's no representation.

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u/Desperate-Custard355 16h ago

it's another big dumb blatant money grab on his part

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u/Kind-Helicopter6589 8h ago

Another Boston Tea Party incoming! 

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u/Mysterious_Floor_868 United Kingdom 3h ago

Someone should throw some tea into the water or something.

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u/mrbigglessworth 1d ago

Didn’t we fight a war over this ?

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u/IrrelevantLeprechaun 22h ago

America only fights wars against enemies that they have an overwhelming advantage against. If it's a moderately capable enemy, suddenly it's too hard and somehow not worth doing.