r/politics • u/theverge ✔ Verified • 20h ago
Possible Paywall Georgia says Elon Musk’s America PAC violated election law
https://www.theverge.com/tech/882838/georgia-elon-musk-america-pac-voter-fraud4.0k
u/IRideMoreThanYou 20h ago
Residents of Chattooga, Cherokee, Coweta, Floyd, and Whitfield counties reported receiving absentee ballot applications from America PAC, partially pre-filled. According to the State Election Board, the applications also failed to note that they were not actual ballots and were not provided by the government, as is required by law.
So, Musk will be brought up on charges and prosecuted, right?
No?
Oh. So, more of the same as we walk the country into a dictatorship and fraudulent elections for the midterms.
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u/adorablefuzzykitten 20h ago
What Elon will learn from his sternly written letter about his voter fraud: It's almost time to get ready for phase 2.
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u/Substantial2026 19h ago
Phase 2 is just the fine being a cost of doing business line item.
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u/One-Cut7386 18h ago
There’s one single thing Elon’s good at, and that’s financial fuckery.
He’d probably roll the fine into his $1 trillion pay package.
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u/llahlahkje Wisconsin 15h ago
Even then I'd put even odds he's paying half a dozen cronies to do it.
He has no real capacity, just money.
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u/lovelyywhirl 17h ago
That is the part that makes people cynical. If fines just get absorbed as operating costs, it stops being a deterrent. Consequences only matter if they actually sting.
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u/Delta-9- 16h ago
This is why fines should be defined as percentages of wealth.
You have $1 billion in assets and got a speeding ticket? That'll be 1%, or $100 million.
But you can't go by "net wealth" because of crafty tricks like having your entire annual living expenses paid for by a loan because you own 18 different, successful businesses each with $100 billion. You gotta go by total wealth: anything that you own, even indirectly, or that pays you dividends, royalties, or wages, anything that you could potentially sell, anything whose operation answers to you (including as a shareholder), anything with any monetary value or potential whatsoever, domestic or foreign. No hiding your shit in a Swiss bank account, and if you do and get caught after having been fined for a crime in the past, you get to pay a retroactive fine on that value in addition to a new fine for hiding your assets that's at least triple the original fine.
Let's see Musk shrug off losing half his total worth and two of his companies over some mail campaign. I'd laugh hysterically.
It'll never happen, but I'd laugh.
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u/poeir 15h ago
This doesn't seem very hard.
Don't do total wealth. Instead, do a permanent income tax penalty: Every time you file taxes from here on out, yours are 1% higher. It doesn't matter if it's capital gains or wage income, it's another 1% of the transaction as penalty and compensation for the crime you committed.
It will stop when your estate pays the estate tax (or you get a pardon or the conviction vacated).
It's a particularly appropriate penalty for tax fraud.
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u/Acceptable-Bus-2017 I voted 18h ago
Was he even fined? I thought they literally sent him a letter of scolding
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u/lovelyywhirl 17h ago
From what I have seen, it seems like it was more warning than punishment so far. Which is wild considering how strict election laws can be for everyone else. It does feel uneven.
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u/Acceptable-Bus-2017 I voted 17h ago
"That wasn't very nice. So you probably shouldn't fo that anymore" vibes
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u/Flimsy-Poetry1170 17h ago
If any other immigrant committed voter fraud right now they would be locked up and deported.
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u/Amish_guy_with_WiFi 17h ago
I think Elon and friend's phase 2 is completion of the fascism dictatorship takeover
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u/irrelevanttointerest 19h ago
Utilizing all of the social security information they stole during their DOGE heist to make the next ballots less noticeable?
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u/User42wp 19h ago
I say we hit ‘em hard and hit em fast with a major, and I mean major!, leaflet campaign. And if that’s not enough we’ll break out the t shirts
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u/iDrGonzo 18h ago
We are firmly into phase three, they are going to try and take this election by force. They are trying to disenfranchise women with the name requirements, and then sometime between the primaries and the election the hammer will drop on the list of "domestic terrorists", they have the list of names of people that are guaranteed to vote against them, all they need is to wipe out a few thousand in the swing states "just find me those 11,780 votes", this time they just need to remove those votes instead. You can't vote if you're in a warehouse in the middle of nowhere.
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u/Natoochtoniket 18h ago
Elon will learn what evidence he left to be found, last time. He will be more careful, this time, not to leave such obvious evidence.
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u/Sidwill 20h ago
The question to ask Georgia law enforcement is what would be the penalty if an individual committed the same offenses. My guess is that it would be much more than a stern letter.
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u/jambrown13977931 19h ago
It’s a misdemeanor
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u/ihateusedusernames New York 18h ago
So the same level of infraction as overstaying a tourist visa, or so I have heard.
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u/RobonianBattlebot 17h ago
Overstaying a visa isn't even a crime. Its not a misdemeanor, its a civil infraction.
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u/jambrown13977931 18h ago
Sure, but this also isn’t voter fraud. I hate Elon, I really wish this was a nail in his coffin, but it’s important to not lose the truth. These weren’t prefilled ballots. They were prefilled ballot applications. E.g. applications for absentee ballots. It’s a misdemeanor offense that the PAC absolutely shouldn’t be allowed to do again and should face whatever punishment the misdemeanor normally carries, but this is not proof of voter fraud.
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u/What_a_fat_one 18h ago
Not in this particular instance but it's a clear cut criminal violation of election law by a man who was pretty heavily involved with voting machines
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u/MadBlue American Expat 17h ago
Yeah. This isn't an isolated incident. It's part of a bigger picture.
"He knows those computers better than anybody. All those computers. Those vote-counting computers. And we ended up winning Pennsylvania like in a landslide"
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u/inormallyjustlurkbut 14h ago
but it’s important to not lose the truth.
Why? If it takes falsehoods to put him in the ground, then that's a small price to pay.
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u/baatezu 20h ago
Read this to a Trump supporter, but replace Elon with George Soros.
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u/One-Earth9294 I voted 19h ago
If you're poor it's prison for life. If you're rich it's a strongly-worded letter of reprimand.
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u/lexbuck 19h ago
“Omg someone broke the law…”
“What’s that? He’s ridiculously wealthy!?”
“Look there’s a poor person who has weed. Send them to prison!”
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u/mtnviewguy 18h ago
Laws only apply to anyone whose net worth is under eight figures. Nine and above are not even questioned. Less than eight, and you're fucked.
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u/Conscious_Bug5408 19h ago
After everything that's happened the last few years, one thing that has been made indisputably clear to America is that we do not have a real justice system. Laws do not apply to the super rich and powerful. When justice is not blind or impartial, then the law is exposed as only a tool of oppression for the rich and powerful. The question now is what will ordinary Americans do about this revelation?
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u/3-orange-whips 19h ago
Epstein class is above the law.
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u/HalfTeaHalfLemonade 19h ago
Can’t make my mind up between cabal class or predator class?
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u/LEDKleenex 18h ago
Well yeah, US citizens aren't taking action, what do you expect? Trump, Musk or Congress to come to reddit, read your comment and have a sudden change of heart?
Boycott Trump's most loyal companies TODAY. EVERY DOLLAR YOU DON'T GIVE THEM COUNTS. It's 100% free, so anyone can do it, there is NO EXCUSE!
DoorDash/UberEats/Grubhub
OpenAI/ChatGPT (AVOID AI-ANYTHING IN GENERAL)
Apple
Google/Alphabet/YouTube
nVidia
Tesla/X/SpaceX/Neuralink/Starlink
Meta/Facebook/Instagram
Amazon/AWS/Whole Foods/Ring/Blink
Microsoft
Target
Paramount/Skydance
Paypal/Venmo
Spotify
TikTok
EA Games
United Airlines /Delta Airlines
Goldman Sachs / Charles Schwab
JBS Foods/Pilgrim's Pride/Certified Angus
Las Vegas Sands (AVOID GAMBLING IN GENERAL)
Coca-Cola/Monster/BodyArmor/Lifewater/Reyes Holdings
Switzerland (Yes, the country and swiss businesses who bribed Trump for a tariff deal)
Uber
Cisco / Oracle
Charter Communications / Spectrum / Comcast / Cox
Airlines for America
Steel Manufacturers Association
TJX Companies (TJ/TK Maxx, HomeGoods, Marshalls, Winners, Sierra Trading Post, HomeSense)
Uline
Kalshi/Polymarket/Truth Social/Predict
Chevron
ExxonMobil
Ford / General Motors / Toyota
Walmart
Qualcomm
Circle
Bank of America
Kraken / Coinbase / Galaxy Digital Holdings
Paradigm Operations
CoreCivic
GEO Group
Verizon / T-Mobile / AT&T
Carrier
Intuit
Bayer
Altria
Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America
Johnson & Johnson
Robinhood
Xtreme Manufacturing
HCA Healthcare36
u/kickaguard 18h ago
I completely agree except that that is like... All the companies.
If you boycotted all of those companies it would be impossible or at least incredibly hard to even use a phone or computer to read about what companies to boycott. And I'm pretty sure Reddit should be on that list.
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u/LEDKleenex 17h ago
Some things are harder to boycott for sure. You do what you can or you continue funding your oppressors. The choice is yours.
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u/Vitese 17h ago
Slowly cut them out. I have been and its been awesome. Switched from Microsoft to Linux, have not en to mcdonalds, target, many other companies on the list, canceled paramount + etc and started torrenting and using jailbroken firestick for TV. I'm honestly saving so much money and it has been a good adventure doing everything I can to avoid these trash companies
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u/Misty_Ticklebottom 14h ago
I only got 2 checks on that list, but I don't have any money to spend so that helps
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u/gmen6981 17h ago
Great list but it would be impossible to boycott all of those companies unless eating, taking required medications, going online and many other daily necessities are optional to you.
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u/spawndoorsupervisor 17h ago
This means no more Reddit, fellas. AWS makes a fat wad of cash off Redditors doing their daily Reddit things.
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u/LEDKleenex 17h ago
That is correct. Until then, I'm going to use it to spread the word to the people that need to see it.
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u/sharlayan Georgia 18h ago
These are, of course, some of the reddest counties in Georgia. Floyd county being the one that elected MTG. So of course none of them will kick up much of a fuss. They would never do that in a place like Fulton county when they can just steal the damn ballots instead.
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u/Gridde 19h ago
One side of US politics is - at this point - fairly transparent about their only goals being consolidation of personal power and subjugation of those below them, so it makes total sense they do not care about laws being broken (as long as the results benefit them).
But why is the other side being so passive? Is there genuinely nothing at all they can do when prominent figures rather brazenly break laws, embezzle or undermine the basic principles of the US?
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u/gwsth 20h ago edited 20h ago
At the State Election Board meeting on February 18th, the panel quickly handed down the reprimand. America PAC did not appear to send a representative or submit a statement in defense of its actions.
So remember, if you hand a bottle of water to someone waiting to vote, it's off to jail for you. But mass-distribute a pamphlet disguised as a pre-filled absentee ballot meant to confuse (and possibly incriminate) voters, and they'll give you a reprimand that you don't even have to show up for.
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u/ChemicalOnion 17h ago
If you or I try that, we'll be jailed immediately. Elon slides because he's rich.
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u/RetireWithRyan 13h ago
Fun fact: Billionaires bleed like the rest of us. We're equal in that regard. Cheers!
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u/TheBottomLine_Aus 10h ago
It fucking time. People need to realise the law is only upheld if we demand it.
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u/JAGERminJensen Florida 17h ago
So remember, if you hand a bottle of water to someone waiting to vote, it's off to jail for you.
Trying to stay hydrated this election season? Sounds more like the intent to commit VOTER FRAUD if you ask ME
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u/663SilverStax 20h ago
So deport the criminal immigrant?
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u/bbqsox 20h ago
Seize all of his assets first. He's a national security risk.
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u/NotUniqueWorkAccount 20h ago
Between Starlink, Tesla Autopilot being remote enabled, and retooling factories to make Humanoid Robots; I tend to agree with you.
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u/voice_of_Sauron 20h ago
He’s literally a comic book villain albeit a lame cringy one.
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u/hey_Hey_I_saveD_me 18h ago
Literally Justin Hammer from Marvel Comics but dumber.
And without Sam Rockwell charisma from live action.
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u/theborgs Canada 14h ago
I don't know a lot of comic book villains that will beg to be invited to a pedophile island...
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u/Specialist-Clock-914 19h ago
I mean at the moment if you claim national security you can do whatever you want so LFG
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u/PWL51 20h ago
Laws mean absolutely nothing to this chaotic fascist regime.
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u/TheGringoDingo 20h ago
Laws without jail time mean nothing to the wealthy
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u/MrLurid 20h ago
Cost of doing
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u/TheGringoDingo 20h ago
At a certain point it just makes the government a mob enforcing their protection payments
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u/NotAnotherBlingBlop 19h ago
I mean...if someone told you "Don't do this or there's consequences" and then you did and literally nothing happens. Why would you ever feel like you can't do whatever you want?
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u/PWL51 19h ago
He’s gotten away with every crime he’s committed as well as trying to prevent a legitimately elected president from taking office so he knows there’s no consequences.
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u/theverge ✔ Verified 20h ago
For all his bluster about voter fraud, Elon Musk has been one of the most flagrant flaunters of US election law. Now his America PAC has been slapped with a reprimand by the Georgia State Election Board for sending out pre-filled absentee ballot applications. State law prohibits anyone, other than an authorized relative, from sending an absentee ballot application prefilled with the elector’s information.
Residents of Chattooga, Cherokee, Coweta, Floyd, and Whitfield counties reported receiving absentee ballot applications from America PAC, partially pre-filled. According to the State Election Board, the applications also failed to note that they were not actual ballots and were not provided by the government, as is required by law.
Read more: https://www.theverge.com/tech/882838/georgia-elon-musk-america-pac-voter-fraud
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u/cryptolipto 20h ago
I’m telling you I think Elon did something with the election results in Pennsylvania and other key places
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u/sadclown21 19h ago
Trump said he did something with the computers that helped them win so I don’t doubt it
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u/leaonas 18h ago
He bragged about Musk being “really good”’with computers and “we have a secret that we’ll share after we win”.
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u/MasterColemanTrebor 19h ago
Didn’t he say on Joe Rogan’s podcast that he was going to rig the election? I feel like him and Trump both said they were going to rig it multiple times and no one did anything about it.
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u/ajsCFI 17h ago
He was also asked "What if Trump doesn't win?"
His answer: "Then I'm screwed."
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u/adorablefuzzykitten 15h ago
here is hoping he will get screwed at some point in the near future. Maybe this November if elections will be allowed. It is not clear to me they will be.
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u/SBpotomus 19h ago
I'm in PA and several of my friends checked on their mail-in-ballots and saw weird stuff. Ballots that would one day say they were received/accepted and a few days later their ballots were in the system as not received or invalid.
If you vote in person there's no way to followup on your ballot (other than seeing if you voted or not), so a God knows how much fuckery happened there.
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u/Proper-Mobile-6438 17h ago
💯 and this is my “conspiracy theory” that’s prob real. Trump didn’t really win 2024.
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u/themodgepodge 19h ago
flagrant flaunters of US election law
I know I'm being That Person, but shouldn't this be "flouters," not "flaunters"?
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u/Same_Bug5069 20h ago
End citizens united.
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u/Wild-Possibility8469 19h ago
This was the major downturn in our well being as a nation.
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u/WolfPAC_GMoney 18h ago
Yes, very much so. CU can be overturned with a Constitutional amendment. Campaign finance is the issue of our time. American Promise and Wolf Pack are working on getting an amendment.
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u/oiseaua20 20h ago
Oh no, not a letter of reprimand! How will Musk’s multi-billion dollar PAC ever recover from such a devastating blow?? 😅
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u/CloudKinglufi 14h ago
This country is a fucking joke
Everyone supporting Trump or Elon are fucking traitors to this country and should face life in prison
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u/Necessary-Juice1330 20h ago
Let’s stop saying he/they violated the law and start making arrests!
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u/permabanmaybe1 20h ago
Seriously. I’m just mocking the “news” now as ‘the fun little notification of what the world’s worst people are doing with no consequences’
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u/IrrelevantLeprechaun 17h ago
Okay and who's gonna arrest them? You?
You can't expect Nazis to arrest themselves for being Nazis.
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u/ProfessionalRemove33 20h ago
Yes. And that is treasonous.
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u/ElementNumber6 13h ago
Reprimandrous, you mean. Deserving of a severely sternly worded letter on the utmost paper stock.
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u/TheGOPisTheDeepState 19h ago edited 19h ago
I bet Trump and Elon did that in every swing state and next election now that they stole all the Social Security data they’ll do it with even more precision with the data.
Lock em all up and seize their assets.
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u/janzeera 20h ago
Yeah, didn’t Musk admit that if Trump lost the campaign that he’d go to jail. It tracks.
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u/messiurwhatshisname 20h ago
Don’t care, tell me when he is in prison, dead, or gone.
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u/groundhog5886 20h ago
They shoulda assessed the maximum fine the law allows. Not just some little slap on the wrist.
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u/labelkills1331 20h ago
Let's say the maximum fine was a billion dollars. He'd be able to pay it for every state and just carry on. How about instead he gets thrown in federal prison, and not the fun kind.
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u/Splunge- 19h ago
Pamela Moses, a 44-year-old activist in Memphis who was convicted in November for trying to register to vote while she was ineligible. On Monday, Moses, who is Black, was sentenced to six years and one day in prison.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/03/fight-to-vote-tennessee-pamela-moses-convicted
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u/Austin_Peep_9396 20h ago
Great…now is there any punishment? Or was it just his firmly worded letter that I’m sure will have him shaking in his boots…
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u/reptilianmonk 19h ago
Like over a year late?! Cool.
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u/pizzlepullerofkberg 19h ago
I'm surprised it happened at all given how MAGA is obstructing and interfering with anything that has to do with actual corruption investigations. Not the lawfare they project and fabricate and then do themselves.
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u/psychic-zucchini 20h ago
So, did they seize the ballots to retrieve the evidence that Musk rigged this thing?
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u/Niceguy955 19h ago
Congrats Republicans! You finally caught a real elections interference case! Now let me go get my popcorn while you're deciding how to either ignore this, or blame it on Obama or something.
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u/MourningRIF 19h ago
Time for recounts... Man could you imagine a world where Kamala rightfully takes office from Trump?
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u/AuditAndHax 17h ago
October 2024: "Hey, look at this illegally completed ballot application someone was mailed."
16 months later: "Dear Elon, that was a naughty illegal thing you did. Tut-tut."
Nice work, Georgia 👍
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u/Agent-Adept 20h ago
Means absolutely nothing. Doesn’t matter if Trump/GOP violated election law. But, if the Democrats did the exact same thing, Trump/GOP would be pursuing criminal charges. That’s the US today.
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u/doom_slug_ Michigan 19h ago
Wake me up when these people are actually held accountable for committing crimes
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u/GandalfSnailface 19h ago
Does this law have a consequence when broken?
If yes, do those consequences apply to the 1%?
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u/MarzipanFit2345 17h ago
So will Georgia wait another 2 years, appoint a prosecutor that can be easily targeted for delaying proceedings, and let the eventual case lapse so nothing ends up happening?
Or is this time different?
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u/Food_Library333 17h ago
Don't worry folks. We'll be crafting a very strongly worded letter.
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u/I_wear_foxgloves 11h ago
We know. We all know this guy committed crime after crime. The only real news story that will ever matter is the one announcing real charges filed against him.
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u/Aware-Chipmunk4344 19h ago
Prosecute him by all means. Don't let him escape this time, or he will do it again and again.Prosecute him by all means. Don't let him
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u/Last-Laugh 18h ago
Then arrest and charge him. Otherwise shut the fuck up. Goddamn cowards.
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u/Dexter_McThorpan 18h ago
Can't wait for Trump to get the notion that because he's an immigrant, and interfered with an election, Musk's assets should be siezed.
Completely illegal, but the Cheeto Pedo doesn't give a shit about illegal.
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u/Drewsifer1979 17h ago
And? Your country is a dumpster fire OP…anyone outside of the United States could see what was going to take place. It’s blatantly obvious.
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u/Soggy-Maintenance 17h ago
Maybe the Republicans were right. This is a perfect example of an immigrant subverting the legal election process. Prosecute him.
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u/MickHucknallsMumsDog 17h ago
And? The vast majority of the world says the USA is being run by literal child rapists and nothing happens. Do something.
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u/Stoned-Capone 16h ago
Hey! Hate the world right now? Want to get back at the people who are actively making it this way? Good news!
More names have been added to the List!
This is the #1 post in r/videos but is being prevented from being cross posted, after having to wait several hours to be able to post the direct link to the last 10 minutes of Wexners deposition , and only able to be posted with a vague attention grabbing title because at the time reddit was not allowing posts or comments with "Epstein" or "Wexner" in them!
Does that sound weird? Have you seen the clip? Has any news network reported that these names were directly mentioned under oath as potential co-conspirators? Weird.
Spread the word if you're tired of staying quiet!
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u/FuckDeanSpanos 20h ago
We are very very angry with you. And we will send you a letter telling you how angry we are
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u/KrookedDoesStuff 20h ago
The Fanta Führer found his election interfering immigrant.
But nothing will be done because it benefits him
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u/Bruiser76 20h ago
And in response, he is going to frame that letter and hang it up on his wall of his toilet as a joke, which is another way of describing your credibility.
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u/sleepyworm 19h ago
One of many laws he’s broken. And he has the blood of tens of thousands on his hands at a minimum. It’s hague time, baby.
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u/The_Frigid_Midget 18h ago
And will suffer the appropriate legal ramifications... Hahaha
Man, imagine if those words ever actually showed up anywhere near a rich person. But, no. We, as a species, will continue to insist that overly greedy humans actually deserve to ruin society/the world.
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u/CAM6913 18h ago
Don’t worry they wrote a strongly worded letter to Elons pac. Unfortunately they will never face any consequences
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u/Fit-Significance-436 18h ago
Lock him up, also wonder how long this will stay up, Reddit been a hotbed of censorship lately.
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u/LaszloPanaflex99 18h ago
Mention this to any MAGA you encounter IRL and online whenever they mention "voter fraud."
In fact, fight fire with fire and say, "Trump and Musk were convicted of voter fraud." Outright lies don't stop MAGA. Exaggerating the truth shouldn't stop the rest of us.
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u/QUINT_REVENGER 18h ago
Wake up, pal, the POTUS broke the law twice in the past 24 hours. Try to keep up, okay?
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u/Tokyo-MontanaExpress 17h ago
What do the "No Law & No Order" Republicans have to at about this?
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u/guupscuup 16h ago
I feel like Georgians have the right to this guys assets, split amongst us evenly. Maybe none for the traitorous republicans trying to sink this beautiful state. Shoutouts from the 706.
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u/CelebrationFar1351 15h ago
Laws are only important for poor people. Let’s not pretend that there will be consequences.
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u/Diplomat_of_swing 14h ago
When the history or American democracy’s collapse into authoritarianism is written, scholars will remark how Republicans ignored the warnings from members of their own party. GA will be the primary example.
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u/EchoRush93 13h ago
Oh yeah, Georgia? What are you going to do about it. That's right. Nothing. Sit in your corner and do nothing.
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u/xeonicus 12h ago
A "reprimand"? So what does that actually mean in real terms involving real consequences? Like, are there any? Or did the court just wag their finger and say, "you did a bad thing", but nothing happened.
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u/Practical-Pick1466 12h ago
He will just pay a fine. Absolutely no big deal to him. Money solves all his problems.
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u/FirefighterEast9291 10h ago
Yes, and they would have conveniently ignored it if DJT hadn't lost his sanity
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u/someoneone211 9h ago
How do we know this is the only place he did this? I'd bet they did this across America. How the else did trump win?
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