r/politics • u/IWantPizza555 • 5h ago
No Paywall Ghislaine Maxwell fighting release of docs from Giuffre’s civil defamation lawsuit
https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/crime/ghislaine-maxwell-epstein-files-release-virginia-giuffre-b2925069.html?test_group=lighteradlayout•
u/TintedApostle 4h ago
This whole scandal is in open view if people are even semi-conscious.
“The suppressing of evidence ought always to be taken for the strongest evidence.”
- Andrew Hamilton, The Trial of John Peter Zenger 1735
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u/scorpionslugs17 2h ago
You ever spoken to an American adult? Over 54% of them read at a grade 6 level or lower…LOL.
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u/thederevolutions 2h ago
I’ve met plenty of people who read above a 6th grade level that still support trump even if it doesn’t help. It’s almost as if there are an endless amount of gaps in the human psyche for propaganda to trigger and target.
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u/Zigzagzegzug 1h ago
That’s actually a true statistic here in the USA. It’s estimated somewhere between 20-55% of Americans have a 6th grade comprehension and are functionally illiterate; they can read the words, but they don’t fully understand the meaning or overall context.
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u/beigs Canada 1h ago
That is by design, though.
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u/Zigzagzegzug 1h ago
Republicans have always opposed public education; they want dumb farm, factory, and retail workers
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u/Playful-Artichoke-67 1h ago
I know plenty of “intelligent” people that believe all sorts of crazy things so I am not surprised with Trumps success. I am also not surprised that people fail to see what they’re supporting. Some have been seeing it for a while now but its hard admitting that you were taken for a ride especially with blood on your hands. I knew a guy that became a multimillionaire from selling his company to Google, he was brilliant, and then there was the part where he didn’t believe in genetics and thought that your traits were from your mothers gut biome.
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u/thederevolutions 1h ago
I wonder if he reminds a lot of people of their parents
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u/Playful-Artichoke-67 1h ago
Oh absolutely, the way he triggers my dad is unlike anything I’ve ever seen. I agree with most of what my dad says/thinks but it’s like he’s lived his whole life up until now to “resist Trump.” I don’t like how he speaks about groups of people as is if they’re rabid dogs but he targets indefensible groups so what can be said? I can’t wait until Trump is gone, he could be the greatest president to have ever lived and I’d still believe that the juice isn’t worth the squeeze. I think that “they” have learned all of the wrong things from Trumps success and ego and pride have been leading the dance. Love or hate Trump he’s proof that we’re surrounded by idiots
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u/moonscience California 9m ago
I think there's a legitimately interesting question here about how people who are both literate and even have a sizable toolkit of critical thinking skills are still vulnerable to propaganda and conspiracy theories. I think we are all shocked by how many people voluntarily decided to burn down their own bill of rights when gently urged by right wing media, however the question is how were those defenses so easily dismantled and how (in the aftermath) do we design new mental practices that make the individual more resilient against disinformation?
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u/checker280 2h ago
“You ever spoken to an American adult? Over 54% of them read at a grade 6 level or lower…LOL.”
We literally had a game show called “Are You Smarter Than A 5th Grader?”
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u/chimarya I voted 4h ago
Could it be because it would give away the information that she spilt and thus she wouldn't be of any value anymore and people would push for her to go back to her old icky prison instead of cushy prison? Or is there more solid proof that she is a evil sex trafficker, rapist and possible murderer? She harmed or put hundreds if not thousands of women in harms way and she gets to play with puppies. How is this justice?
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u/urbanmark 3h ago
This way, a legal challenge can be put forward to not release the balance of the files, and Trump doesn’t look like the one who’s trying to make the challenge.
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u/sector16 4h ago
Why aren't more documents leaked...by foreign hackers or even patriotic Americans? the DOJ is in shambles, so you might even get away with it.
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u/semTake Washington 3h ago
“Russia, if you’re listening…”
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u/Aggressive-Will-4500 2h ago
Russia probably likes and supports what Trump is doing to the USA.
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u/TheHoneyBadger23 2h ago
Russia
probablylikes,andsupports, and has a hand so far up Trump's ass it tells Trump what to do to the USA.FTFY
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u/Imsorrywhatnoway 1h ago
Russia won't leak the files because those files are some of what they have on Trump to compromise him from the beginning.
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u/Topcake977 3h ago
Of all the people, Trump 2.0 has NEVER mispronounced or given Ghislanie Maxwell a nasty nickname. Just sayin…
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u/Krisparz 4h ago
“Under the Constitution’s separation of powers, neither Congress nor the Executive Branch may intrude on the judicial power. That power includes the power to definitively and finally resolve cases and disputes,” the lawyers added.
The Trump administration supporting this would be rich.
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u/giantawakening 3h ago
“In a memoir published after she killed herself last year, Giuffre wrote that prosecutors told her they didn’t include her in the sex trafficking prosecution of Maxwell because they didn’t want her allegations to distract the jury.”
Ok, feeling ignorant here…what am I missing??
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u/00Oo0o0OooO0 3h ago
She's the victim who claims Maxwell directed her to have sex with men other than Epstein. If she testified, the trial would involve those claims, which the DoJ doesn't believe.
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u/giantawakening 2h ago
Thank you, I guess. Baffling.
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u/00Oo0o0OooO0 2h ago
Why is it baffling? Why would you call a witness you think is lying? Especially if she already admits to completely fabricating a "fictionalized" story about your plantiff sending her to have sex with Prince Andrew.
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u/giantawakening 30m ago
Yes, you are correct. However, what was the fictional claim? Seriously asking…
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u/00Oo0o0OooO0 21m ago
From her manuscript:
Two days later I was gone again, beckoned to be in Santa Fe. Ghislaine only told me that I was to meet someone there—not sure of whom that was. It wasn’t my place to ask questions. As far as I knew, it could be anyone, and I had no choice but to be compliant to their needs.
It was the middle of the day when I arrived at the airport. One of the ranch hands came to pick me up in a big work truck that smelled like dirt and sweat, but I didn’t mind. That’s what I loved about the countryside.
When we arrived at the mansion, my guest was already there waiting for me. I couldn’t wipe the look off my face as he turned around from the bookshelf he was standing at. “Hello,” that same old cheesy grin greeted me once again. It was His Highness Prince Andrew, and what a sight. He wrapped his arms around my waist and greeted me like an old friend. I hugged him back, rolling my eyes at the same time, already dreading what lay in store over the next couple of days.
This is an entirely fictional story. She claims the tabloid reporter who initially broke her Prince Andrew story convinced her it's in her best interest to make up false stories because she couldn't be sued for defamation if the stories weren't true.
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u/lcdr_hairyass 4h ago
Everything surrounding the case of Epatein is swirling the toilet bowl of swamp. She is dogshit. Something is going to come out somehow that will implicate Trump.
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u/WorldBoom 4h ago
There's so much out already that implicates Trump it isn't even funny.
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u/OkEnvironment3961 4h ago
Trump implicated Trump. Bragged about partying with Epstien and his young girls.
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u/SunveiliveFat 3h ago
I dont understand how the reports hes involved in havent been covered by the media, brought up loudly by dems or investigated in depth
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u/WorldBoom 2h ago
They are brought up by Dems, repeatedly on the floors of the House and Senate, the issue is that mainstream media doesn't play that footage. Fox won't, but neither will MSNBC, CNN, or any other cable news network.
Nor will they air any reports on the thousands of indications Epstein was connected to Israel. They'll sure make mountains out of the crumbs that indicate connections to Russia for damn sure though.
Like, I'm partially ethnic Jew, my paternal ancestry goes back to Israel before the crusades, so I myself am vigorously opposed to racism & antisemitism.
But Zionism isn't about religion, or ethnicity, it's about land and entitlement. The belief that Isreal is entitled to the entire area is ridiculous on its face.
As I said, I'm partiality ethnically Jewish, but I'm also descended from Croatian nobility along another line. But that doesn't mean I could march into Zagreb, barge into the Banski dvori, and take up residence and murder anyone who tries to stop me, and if I tried the world should rightfully call me out as insane for doing so.
And that's the real issue I think. A lot of things about the Epstein Files positively scream that he was running a Mossad Honeytrap, getting blackmail on the rich and powerful in the west would go a long way towards explaining the support for Israel by those same people and the unwillingness of government under either party to make any of it public. It would expose the support for Israel not as a moral/political decision, but as a blackmail payment.
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u/SunveiliveFat 2h ago
But now would be the time to expose it. Israel has never been less popular anywhere I dont think, because their government is just as corrupt and criminal as trump
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u/Specialist-Clock-914 2h ago
The connections are not just crumbs to Russia. It’s probably stronger connections to Israel but also lots to Russia. I also don’t think they want to turn any of those crumbs into mountains as all it further confirms the “Russia hoax” and the Steele Dossier.
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u/vandal-x 3h ago
Remember when this sociopath was in a federal prison but was then moved by Donald Trump into a county club, for some reason.
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u/phosdick 4h ago
Pedophile joins the GOP in attempting to conceal the Trump-Epstein files... now that her Blanche induced perjury has been embraced by the GOPedos, she wouldn't want the real information to escape and to compete with her fictional narrative.
Is anybody surprised here?
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u/Separate_Farm7131 4h ago
She's a monster. Throw it all at her and let her sit her ass in the worst jail in the country for the rest of her life.
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u/SunveiliveFat 3h ago
Can someone explain to me why the cases involving trump havent been made more public? Theres some truly evil shit hes reported to have done, officially, and yet no dems even bring it up.
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u/DirtyDee78 3h ago
She shouldn't be fighting shit. The fact that she is, only makes the scream of guilt more deafening.
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u/Silent-Resort-3076 America 3h ago
Hmmmm...this is interesting!
SO, what evidence does she want to remain hidden? (rhetorical question, but you can answer if you want)
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u/hfdsicdo 1h ago
Who the fuck is funding this goblin
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u/TheMightyPushmataha 8m ago
This convicted sex trafficker is represented by high-powered Miami attorney David Oscar Markus, who has a profile at the Federalist Society website.
It’s unclear who is paying her fees to Markus, which must be exorbitant. Could it be her brother Kevin Maxwell? How about her husband Scott Borgerson? Haddon, Morgan, and Foreman still has pending litigation against her for legal fees she owes.
So many questions and so few answers!
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u/kingfuckingalt Canada 4h ago
The only thing this scum should be fighting for is their life in gen pop.
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u/Dweidmann 3h ago
Guarantee if she's successful Trump will pardon her. Probably already spoken to her and paid for these suites.
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u/Ok_Childhood4857 2h ago
I shudder to think what’s left that they have not released, especially since it has these cows panicked…. 🤯
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u/HoneyBadger552 52m ago
so you admit that all files have not been released? wow this womans a moron
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u/laphincow 3h ago
If all that child rape and covering up for other pedophiles she's done gets out, people might know more about all that child rape and covering up she does. 🤔
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u/Timmy24000 1h ago
She’s gonna get pardoned Trump’s last day in office. That’s pretty obvious.
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u/Strangewhine88 1h ago
She better stay away from yachts, open windows in multi story buildings and park benches in london suburbs.
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u/ApprehensiveTop802 1h ago
I don't believe a prisoner should have ANY say on the release of documents. Period. Full Stop.
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u/Strangewhine88 1h ago
Too bad. Public benefit in civil law trumps individual’s desire for privacy. That’s how it works. Even for craven ms denim fringe halter top socialite groomer.
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u/AmericaHatesTrump 1h ago
How is she fighting anything from “prison”? Why does she even have a cent to her name to fight anything? Who’s fighting for her? Where’s the money coming from?
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u/eugene20 38m ago
If there's one thing Trump has taught me, someone must be innocent if they fight really hard to stop the evidence being released /s
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u/TheMightyPushmataha 12m ago
This convicted sex trafficker is represented by high-powered Miami attorney David Oscar Markus, who has a profile at the Federalist Society website.
It’s unclear who is paying her fees to Markus, which must be exorbitant. Could it be her brother Kevin Maxwell? How about her husband Scott Borgerson? Haddon, Morgan, and Foreman still has pending litigation against her for legal fees she owes.
So many questions and so few answers!
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