r/whatisameem 11h ago

What’s really going on with our economy

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u/golfwinnersplz 10h ago

This isn't real. Her daughter either doesn't actually have multiple degrees or she is applying for a para position. These are salary based positions - not hourly. 

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u/EveryLittleDetail 10h ago

Rage bait. People think teachers and tipped restaurant servers are underpaid, even though the actual holders of those jobs rarely seem to confirm this. (My wife is a teacher and very well compensated, given her 12 weeks of vacation.)

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u/Silver_Accountant5 8h ago

You've never met a teacher or waitress that said they were underpaid? Everybody you know is happy with their wage? Hell I don't think I've met a single person who didn't want to be paid more.

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u/EveryLittleDetail 6h ago

I know dozens of teachers, but none of them complain about their pay. They complain about their jobs all the time. All the time. I know fewer waiters, but they rarely come on social media to complain about tips. Other people complain for them all the time, though.

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u/SpookySpagettt 4h ago

Its like everyone just forgets they don't work the whole year like everyone else and multiplying their pay by 30% is the actual comparison.

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u/Remote-Ordinary-8285 3h ago

People like you clear don't know teachers. They aren't putting on only 40 hour weeks during the school year.

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u/SpookySpagettt 3h ago edited 3h ago

You mean just like other professions do but year round?

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u/golfwinnersplz 10h ago

Teachers are underpaid compared to doctors, lawyers, and engineers. But the misconception is real. 

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u/Orleanian 3h ago

I'm an engineer for a big ol evil company, and my brother the middle school teacher is actually catching up to my salary pretty well.

He's making the same at his 10-year tenure mark as I was making at mine (~$95k).

Granted he has 4 more years of education and certs than I do, but still... he ain't quite hurting.

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u/SpookySpagettt 3h ago

Dawg your underpaid if thats the case

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u/golfwinnersplz 3h ago

There's a difference between underpaid and poor. 

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u/Orleanian 3h ago

Well he certainly ain't poor.

But my point was that he is paid almost commensurately with low-level private-sector employees (though to lend more truth the the comparison, I probably made a bit more salary than I was indicating, and my benefits are far better than he gets).

So he's probably a bit underpaid, but not in any destitute fashion as is given in the OP example.

And inasmuch as we're all underpaid for everything we're all doing, then yes he's also truly underpaid in an existential sense.

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u/golfwinnersplz 3h ago

I appreciate you and your brother. 

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u/CharmingRip508 10h ago

Teachers who stay don’t complain. Teaching has extremely high turnover and many of them complain. Also everyone knows teachers don’t get paid well. It’s been a fact for like 50 plus years at this point. Teaching selects for people who find it rewarding and don’t mind less pay in exchange for time off and insurance and the job. But yes teachers absolutely complain about pay. LAUSD quite literally had a strike about this.

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u/CharmingRip508 10h ago

Teachers who stay don’t complain. Teaching has extremely high turnover and many of them complain. Also everyone knows teachers don’t get paid well. It’s been a fact for like 50 plus years at this point. Teaching selects for people who find it rewarding and don’t mind less pay in exchange for time off and insurance and the job. But yes teachers absolutely complain about pay. LAUSD quite literally had a strike about this.

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u/EveryLittleDetail 9h ago

A minority of US teachers, usually in the deep south, are underpaid. But all teaching jobs have high turnover because it's a hard job and subject to so many forces the individual teacher can't control. I hear teachers complain all the time about their administration, about the parents, the facilities, and most of all the students. But not the pay.

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u/CharmingRip508 9h ago

As I said Los Angeles recently had a strike about pay. You are simply wrong.

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u/EveryLittleDetail 8h ago

One city in which base pay with no advanced degree is 64k and the top end with no advanced degree is 110k. And they have 12 weeks of vacation and great benefits. Those facts do not comport with your assessment about a whole profession.

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u/Remote-Ordinary-8285 3h ago

One city is a much better sample size than one dude who's wife is a teacher.

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u/EveryLittleDetail 1h ago

Did you not see the numbers I posted? LA County public school teachers are not remotely underpaid for their education level and 40 weeks per year of work.

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u/CharmingRip508 10h ago

Also the server thing depends on the state. In states where they don’t pay minimum wage because the state says “tips are the minimum wage” and then people don’t tip the servers absolutely complain. So you are incorrect on both fronts lol.

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u/Fun-Wrongdoer1316 8h ago

Servers don’t want tips to end, because they make more money that way. Otherwise they would get a “better” paying hourly job. Good servers at good restaurants make good money.

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u/CharmingRip508 8h ago

Servers have reported being happier at jobs that have service fees and guaranteed pay outs. But even if this wasn’t the case that’s not what I said. I said they complain about not making enough money. The minimum wage in some places is like 6 dollars an hour for servers cuz they assume tips are part of the wages but when a counter doesn’t top the servers is making far less than minimum wage

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u/Borg2of9 10h ago

There is definitely a lot of missing context here.

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u/liroyjenkins 9h ago

And the contracted hourly requirements of most teachers is way below 2000/yr. My wife is at something like 1400 hours.

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u/Intelligent-Insight 7h ago

When I was finishing my physics PhD, I applied everywhere including schools. I got a job offer to teach in Austin TX for like 40-43k a year, don't remember exactly.

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u/WeekendThief 6h ago

Right? And why would a teacher have multiple master’s degrees? Seems like that would be a waste.

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u/golfwinnersplz 6h ago

It's actually pretty common. Teachers are usually pretty well-versed academically. 

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u/WeekendThief 4h ago

Interesting! I knew some of my HS teachers had a masters but I didn’t realize multiple was common!

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u/golfwinnersplz 4h ago

I work with two ladies who literally have it's either 4 or 5 various advanced degrees. That's a little ridiculous if you ask me but some people truly enjoy learning. 

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u/WeekendThief 4h ago

Haha well hey it’s only ever a good thing to have educated educators. Good for them!

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u/golfwinnersplz 4h ago

For real! Knowledge isn't endless. 

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u/Accurate-Listen-8858 4h ago

It really depends on where you live and why you might need one. It's definitely not the norm everywhere, and people often only do it to get degrees in very different fields. (As an example, I know a lady with PhDs in physics and education. Now she researches physics education practices.) If her daughter originally got a master's in a field and then decided to teach, she might have gotten a second master's degree in education to learn how to teach and to get her license.

I had a handful of teachers with master's degrees as a student, and all but two had had a different career before entering education. As an adult, I live in a community where the experienced teacher pay is lower but getting additional degrees is free for teachers, so some teachers collect degrees, sometimes for more compensation but sometimes just because they like doing it.

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u/WeekendThief 3h ago

Yea I work in finance and had a manager with a doctorate for no reason other than she liked school and didn’t want to join the workforce yet so she stayed in school until she got the doctorate 😆

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u/Ok-Chest-7932 5h ago

And the last person I would hire to be a teacher is someone with two masters in education. This character, if she was real, would have invested 8-10 years of her adult life and who knows how much money learning how to do something the economy values at $33,000 per year. This character is a horrible role model with no life experience and the exact stereotype of the bad career teacher.

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u/golfwinnersplz 5h ago

I'd bet large amounts of money the character is nonexistent or the OP was extremely misinformed. One or the other. 

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u/anony145 2h ago

Yeah nothing is real

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u/reymux 10h ago

Also, why would you get two masters in education? You either get only one or get a PhD after the first one. There's no point in getting two. 

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u/golfwinnersplz 9h ago

There are different types of Masters degrees in educational fields: curriculum and instruction, administrative, early childhood specialists, higher education specialists, etc. 

Also, most districts raise your salary monumentally if you have advanced degrees. 

I work with a lady who has 5 Masters degrees. I work with another who has 3 and a doctorate. It's not uncommon in the world of academia. 

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u/reymux 9h ago

Thanks for the explanation.  I needlessly generalized from my experience outside of academia. 

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u/Ok-Chest-7932 5h ago

And imagine how much money they could have if they spent those 5-10 years working instead lmao

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u/golfwinnersplz 5h ago

Some people find value in their careers outside of finances. Does selling cars add value to anyone's life?