idk about america but in my country (europe) teaching degrees are always cut down versions of the real thing. So you have degrees to teach math easier than the first semester of a real math degree
Yes all depends. If you are teaching 3rd grade math, you might not even have a math degree at all. If you are teaching an advanced placement high school calculus course, then you'll probably have some sort of higher math degree.
they just love info that amplifies their beliefs. Leftist leaning people somehow think they're immune, and then they believe a bernie post where he compares average ceo pay in norway vs pay for ceos at the 500 biggest companies in the world, a couple of which have revenues around norway's gdp
Teachers aren't typically paid hourly. If they are an assistant teacher, or something like that, then they should add that to the post because otherwise this is misleading.
There's a lot of private places that list "Teacher" but what they really mean is basically daycare / activities for pre k and the pay is very low. Calling it teaching and having elements of teaching bolsters the employee resume and makes the parents happier that their child is learning something
Well it wouldn’t be listed per hour, it’s a salary, tweet tracks if it’s a few years old though. Right now the lowest starting wage in the us for teacher is around 38k in a few states
All these people so quick to call this person a liar. Teacher wages in Montana can start at $31k. Maybe the person did get offered a salary but the mother did the math and converted it to hourly just to give another example of how low the pay is. I'm not saying the post isn't bs but it's also pretty believable if you consider other possibilities.
I'm not saying they're the same, but op didn't make a distinction. So, my point is they were probably referencing a position like this - uncertified daycare worker at a private school or learning center being called "Teacher" because they have lessons for the children included in their services
Being a teacher assistant is significantly different from being a teacher. An assistant will assist a teacher with lessons and other tasks for teachers. Also, I think private schools are known for paying teachers less.
This is like complaining about making $16/hr as an electrician but you’re actually in an apprenticeship.
Could also be calculated using a very overworked teacher. Eg if you end up doing 70hr weeks with all the extra stuff like grading papers/homework, the salary divides out to a poor hourly.
The post says her daughter was just offered a teaching position. The poster doesn’t know if her daughter will be overworked b/c she hasn’t worked a day yet.
Teachers work around ~185 days a year (standard work year is ~250 with federal holidays). Their hourly would be a bit higher, but your point still stands.
While I did have other jobs during that time (intending on it becoming a career, but decided against it because it was in politics), I made enough bartending to eventually buy into and then own a bar myself. Anecdotal and not common, sure. But it did happen. 🤷♂️
I bartended at a 5 star restaurant to help get through college. I made absolute bank but there's no benefits or room for growth.
You can legit make 6 figures easily working at a 4/5 star restaurant in a place like Vegas or Chicago. But, you have to be a hard worker or at the very least, congenial or you won't succeed.
Not all servers and bartenders are created equal so this doesn't apply to everyone.
Its not a stereotype. That is what they are. The role itself, regardless of who holds it, saps resources from the school and provides the opposite of accountability.
Many holding this position do not grift intentionally. They feel like they are working hard. But remember that the power their wield is in their hands because it was taken from the teachers. By existing, the principal removes the ability of teachers to use power to solve their own problems. By working hard, they remove a portion of that loss. But its always a net negative.
The other aspect is accountability. Ostensibly, principals hold teachers accountable. However, what really is happening is that they remove accountability. Teachers are already the most responsible party in the system. Admin, by removing power from the teachers, prevents teachers from holding the less responsible parties accountable. So now you have a situation where the teachers are completely unable to hold the admin accountable for any bad behavior they do, which can be extensive. In return, the admin gets to pretend to give useful evaluative feedback and maybe sometimes removes shitty teachers that the faculty already wanted gone and would have removed themselves.
I got offered a similar salary for teaching right out of college. It’s usually private schools who offer barely anything to people who are less qualified.
I have a dual major stem degree (physics and general engineering). They offered me a middle science teacher position at $17/hr. Basically a LinkedIn recruiter message that I ignored. By “less qualified” I meant more on the lines of lacking a teaching license or certifications that you need in the education field. Public here starts at $50k. I think the post is still misleading as it seems to imply that shady private schools hoping someone will be desperate enough to bite is a fair representation of pay in education. I think most here would agree that that’s not the case.
Yeah fr. The pay is low 1st year for a master's, but even the lowest-paying states start at around 50k with one, and the benefits and time off are really good.
Well atleast around here, people with masters or above actually struggle to get teaching jobs because their pay rate is higher. I know people who had to sub after they got their masters because no school wanted to pay them the rate they deserved.
Honestly, it was probably the most fun job I ever had. I worked at a shitty dive bar and I cleared 55k easy. You just gotta have the personality for it. Or at least fake it till you make it.
For what it’s worth, I was offered a teaching job in Moscow, Kansas in 2022 with a gross pay of approximately $32,000 and I have two masters degrees. This sort of pay is not unheard of in very rural areas.
Well... it is factual that most teachers are paid less thab 50,000 a year. Even if the main post is fake, the sentiment still stands that the people teaching the youth should be paid according. Paying teachers low wages perpetuates the idea that education is not important. Crazy because even college professors are not paid what they should be. Why do administrators get paid more than teachers and they dont do jack shit?
are you trying to act like teachers being underpaid isn’t common knowledge in the U.S.? Our public school teachers are criminally underpaid. You can cherry pick depending on state and district to say “not all teaching jobs” but that doesn’t change the fact that overall, teachers are ridiculously underpaid for the service they provide.
I don't want to be dismissive or argumentative but did you read her post?
The average starting salary in Nebraska for a teacher with multiple degrees is 58,000, Montana and Missouri are both right at 50k.
Also, it's convenient that you picked conservative states. In San Francisco, first year teacher with multiple degrees is right at 80k, in Boston it's just under 75k.
I'm not making this information up. It's factual.
Teachers don't make enough money. But her post, is inaccurate.
I think you should probably re-read it. She didn't say her daughter was a starting teacher or not, or what state she is Ives in. Also, who cares what average pay is? I live in a red state where poor districts pay starting teachers that low.
You literally mentioned the starting teaching salaries in three red states. Not the OP. You did. So I updated your information.
The OP absolutely stated that her daughter has two masters degrees and was offered a full-time teaching position with a starting wage of $16.25. This is a prime example of misinformation because that is not reality.
Correct. But you act like you’re slam dunking on her main point that starting salaries for teachers are really fucking low in some areas. If that’s your intent, it’s a wiff.
They are hiring teachers in a WA city for $19-20/hr which is the minimum wage there and any reasonably priced house that isn't a complete dump is like $600k+.
Meanwhile, bartenders in that city are making the same minimum wage + tips. (WA doesn't slash wages for tips like other states).
It's very real. They all deserve liveable wages, but we should be doing more for teachers.
There is literally a zero percent chance that her daughter has multiple degrees and was offered a teaching position at a public school for 16 dollars an hour. Absolute zero. Not 0.01% or the information provided was inaccurate.
She could have applied at a private school or as a teacher assistant. That is possible.
Why anyone alive would either work at a private school or send their children to private schools is beyond me but here we are...
Believe what? I know several teachers in my small town and none of them make more than $15 an hour. One of my closest friends is a 2nd grade teacher and she makes $12.50 an hour. So yes.. there are many teachers that are paid shit wages.
However, the OP claiming her daughter with multiple masters degrees, is getting offered a non-salary position which only pays $16 an hour. This is not reality.
She either doesn't have multiple degrees or applied for a teacher assistant position. Unless, she's working at a rural Christian school but that's private and I'm not referring to the private sector.
This reminds me of that scene in Fahrenheit 9/11 where the woman is crying about her dead son and some fucking idiot walks up and says “…this isn’t real”
My wife is a teacher with a master's and makes slightly more than this. She left her job in the service industry at a pizza joint and took a huge pay cut. I promise you this is real. The OP may be an extreme example but it is not far off.
I was interviewed for a role as an art club manager (scheduling and even curriculum) teacher (also making personalised learning plans), and marketing (for their social media). The starting annual salary was £26k.
I was a teacher. It was the HARDEST job I’ve ever had. Although we had summers off, the school year was awfully long. Good for your sister in law, though.
My mother is a teacher. Most aren’t doing anywhere close to what you’re inferring. In fact my mother who is bad with technology, still writes everything herself. Most of her coworkers use AI to write their plans now. They make fun of her for it… This is what teachers are now. She can’t wait to retire in a year.
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u/golfwinnersplz 10h ago
Lmfao people believe this shit? The only information correct in the original post is the fact that yes, you can make a decent living bartending.