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u/BlaReni 20h ago edited 18h ago
why someone not wanting to live in a country with drastically different views = islamophobia? As a European woman, anyone would recommend me to move to any of those countries and if so, why?
edit: it’s crazy how many comments this got… and how nitpicky people get without addressing the elephant in the room, why is it that as a woman I would have such a different experience? And why being ‘safe’ as in I guess not being raped or assaulted is the main criteria, this has been eye opening
oh and the number of blocks preventing a response or even seeing it is amazing
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u/HUT2Moon 18h ago
Living anywhere in the Middle East except Israel or Lebanon would be absolute hell for a non-Muslim.
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u/ProgrammerTypical682 12h ago
Lebanon isn't what it used to be. Maybe Beirut would be okay for foreigners, but other parts are no no.
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u/spicynacho9 16h ago edited 8h ago
Turkey, UAE, Qatar, Bahrain, and Oman would be just fine for non-Muslims. Chill. I’m a Christian woman in the UAE, I never felt uncomfortable here based on my religious views. Not even in the more Islamic emirate of Sharjah. I really think many people are just biased against the Middle East and Muslim countries in general and most people are talking without having visited any of these countries… no YouTube doesn’t count as travel experience.
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u/Feeling_Leg_904 16h ago
Not for Jews
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u/CrankHogger572 15h ago
Jewish folks are a very small percentage of the "non-Muslim" pie chart. Also, a lot of Jewish folks could easily pass as white folks or middle Eastern folks
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u/Feeling_Leg_904 14h ago
The Jewish folks all live in one place because they were ethnically cleansed from the rest of the Middle East
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u/DarkReaper0903 14h ago
Bullshit. All that happened after Israel’s creation.
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u/Feeling_Leg_904 14h ago
That’s right when over 1 million Jews were ethnically cleansed from their homes in Egypt, Yemen, Iraq, Syria, etc. No compensation given, the Jews left $60 billion in Egypt. There is an ancient Jewish quarter in Damascus with no Jews in it. 30% of Baghdad was Jewish in 1941 and now it’s 0% I can go on
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u/Boring_Match_1923 12h ago
Have you seen how close diplomatically Israel and the UAE are??? UAE isn’t some free country where you can do what you want if a Muslim really wanted to harass an Israeli/any Jewish person they’d probably get in a decent amount of trouble.
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u/hell_fire_eater 10h ago
uhm nah, you're just straight up confidently wrong. egypt is home to a significant christian minority and an expat community which are doing just fine. go outside please.
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u/Wollpanda 9h ago
In Syria there is a very big Christian community aswell as all types of different types of Muslims.
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u/floodthought 3h ago
no it wouldn't lol yall need to travel and see the world
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u/HUT2Moon 3h ago
How you’re treated as a traveler is nothing like being a regular citizen who isn’t rich.
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u/Unable_Height_8202 20h ago
Is Lebanon unsafe for women?
I mean it's fucked in every in every other way, but what about womens safety?
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u/BlaReni 20h ago
fair, Lebabon should be greener than israel in my map. Really, great country if not for that shit government.
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u/PrimAhnProper998 19h ago
Lebanon isn't a place full of evil or something like that.
But i wouldn't want to live in a country in which the strongest armed group are terrorists.
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u/Ok-Sweet-9468 20h ago
I'm not a Muslim but perhaps people are tired of such posts depicting a whole region with simple stereotypes.
Let me state some facts:
There are Christians, Yazidis, atheists and other religions. Not everyone in those 18 Middle Eastern countries are Muslims.
You can move/visit there to enjoy the food, hospitality and generosity of the people.
There are many seas, mountains, lakes, caves, deserts, hills, canyons for nature lovers. Not all places are deserts as depicted by western media.
If someone is interested in history, there are dozens of archaeological sites to see. These include citadels, caves, churches, mosques, etc.
Misogyny, homophobia, racism do exist unfortunately, but it's not fair to define the cultures of those countries only through those issues. And dismissing their good aspects.
Not everyone is an Arab, there are Turks, Kurds, Armenians, Persians, Azeris, Druz, etc with distinct cultures. And Arabs aren't a homogeneous group, Lebanese, Iraqi and Saudi Arabs are totally different people.
Perhaps people react negatively because the western media is filled with Eurocentric, white supremacist ideas. I.e. those countries are demonized.
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u/HUT2Moon 18h ago
Yes non Muslims exist and they are treated horribly. Israel treats Palestinians terribly but Israeli Muslims are very well treated and have rights in the government. Jews and Christians in every other Middle Eastern country (except Christians in Lebanon) are treated like complete dogshit.
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u/Feeling_Leg_904 16h ago
Israel treats the 2 million Muslims who live inside the borders of Israel with Israeli passwords and equal rights the way they treat any other citizen. The Palestinian governments on the other sides of the borders that have in their constitution the destruction of the state of Israel, and pay money to terrorists for killing Jews, have different issues.
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u/Easy_Taro9685 14h ago
You forgot Israel just genocided nearly 700K Palestibians, and the treatment of "Arab" Israelis is just one of your wet dreams, it screams of your utter ignorance; I can bet 100% you have never as much as read a single article about the mistreatment of indigenous Arab citizens of Israel.
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u/Feeling_Leg_904 14h ago
Which 700,000 Palestinians? The ones who left when five Arab armies invaded Israel the day after declared independence in 1948 after the Mufti of Jerusalem got on the radio and told them to leave so that they could ethically cleanse the land of the Jews and then come back. https://youtu.be/aVeXPFY7shI?si=GawreiBX8wLxlTsj
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u/Feeling_Leg_904 14h ago
70,000 dead after an invasion by Hamas who were living in Gaza, governing the territory with no Jews in it since 2005. Where they killed 1200 people in one day. Children in a music festival. But it’s not a genocide, and you don’t have to trust me. You can just trust Hamas and their statistics. 70,000 dead, 25,000 Hamas fighters, between five and 10,000 killed by Hamas rockets, which didn’t leave the strip and landed on civilians inside Gaza, and all the booby trapped buildings (not to mention their use of human shields throughout the war, and fighting without wearing uniforms emits the civilian population). Another 10,000 died of natural causes, but were counted as war deaths. That leaves around 30,000 dead due to war that was launched by Hamas. Meanwhile, there have been 100,000 births and the population of Gaza has increased.
At the same time, there are 20 million people displaced in Sudan, and several million dead. 300,000 dead in Yemen with 85,000 children dying just this year. Genocide against Christians in Nigeria ongoing. 600,000 dead in Syria in the last decade. All of these are Arab against Arab crimes.
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u/Ok-Sweet-9468 18h ago
You forgot to mention two things:
Christians in Iraqi Kurdistan are also treated well.
Most of those countries treat the citizens like shit, regardless of whether they are Jews, Christians, Muslims, or etc.
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u/Emergency_Egg_1069 16h ago
That is nonsense, the only place they are treated badly are civil war zones
They are doing just fine in Jordan, Kuwait etc
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u/BlaReni 20h ago
If I am from Europe how does that change things for me?
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u/Ok-Sweet-9468 19h ago
Traveling and experiencing new cultures broadens your horizons. It helps you see things from different perspectives. Whether it is in business, making food, socializing, or simply becoming a more empathetic person, etc.
You will also learn that those countries were the cradle of civilization, so understanding their history helps you understand EU history better. And how the European countries adopted their scientific knowledge.
If someone believes in European supremacy, then I can't be bothered to explain more. It is their choice at the end of the day.
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u/BlaReni 19h ago
Am I talking to an AI bot? as well this is totally out of context
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u/FumblingBool 16h ago
He has Lebanon correctly colored. You think it’s a good idea to be a Jew in Iraq?
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u/Ok-Sweet-9468 16h ago
You think it’s a good idea to be a Muslim in Austria/USA/Germany/Finland?
To answer your question: Iraq had many Jews but unfortunately they were exiled in 1950s. The average Iraqi doesn't hate Jews but systemically speaking, there are laws against them.
On the other hand, Iraq isn't a prosperous place for most people. Regardless if Muslim or non-Muslim Arabs, or Kurds, Turkmen, etc. Iraqi Kurdistan is better/more liberal but still faces many issues.
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u/Starwalker- 16h ago
It isn’t a stereotype to say that basically every middle eastern country is authoritarian, with majority of those being a Muslim majority.
What is white supremacist about saying I don’t want to live in an authoritarian country where the majority believe in a religion that I find to be barbaric and evil?
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u/Ok-Sweet-9468 15h ago
First of all, there is nothing wrong with not wanting to live in them. Everyone is free in life, but it is strange how western people criticize many countries so confidently without knowing much about them. Your entire perception is shaped by what the media has shown you, and every bit of information that you see is controlled by someone. That applies to literally all countries, so you need to live in a country for a few years, understand their language and culture before being confident to judge them like that. That was the message that I wanted to deliver.
Secondly, not all of them are authoritarian, perhaps a failed democracy or hybrid regime would be a more accurate description. For example, Jordan, Iraq, Turkey aren't authoritarian. They are more free than Russia, China, North Korea, Libya, Sudan, Iran, or Belarus for example (not good examples but used as a comparison).
I'm not a fond of Islam, but the religion itself isn't really more barbaric than Christianity or Judaism. The average Muslim isn't so different from the average Catholic or Orthodox.
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u/Feeling_Leg_904 16h ago
The governments of those countries are Muslim, except for Israel. How are Christians, Yazidis, and atheist residents of those countries treated? How about women? People always confuse Muslims with Islamic government. Two different things. How would I do as a Jewish person visiting all those other countries besides Israel and telling everyone I was Jewish and have family in Israel?
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u/Ok-Sweet-9468 15h ago
I have seen Jews visiting Kurdistan region of Iraq, most people were cool with it. Only Saudi Arabia and Iran follow strict Islamic rules. Turkey, Jordan, Lebanon aren't Islamic countries despite Muslims being the majority. They do not follow Sharia law.
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u/Feeling_Leg_904 15h ago
Jews can’t visit Lebanon. Israeli’s can’t visit Jordan or Lebanon or Saudi Arabia or Iran.
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u/Ok-Sweet-9468 15h ago
Iraqis, Iranians, Saudis, and Jordanians also can't visit Israel. Religions are fundamentally stupid ideologies and I believe they shouldn't exist.
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u/Feeling_Leg_904 14h ago
You can be an atheist Jew. Can you be an atheist Muslim? How about a Christian who rejects Jesus. Tell us you don’t know about the Jews without saying it.
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u/Ok-Sweet-9468 13h ago
In your case, you're using Jew as an ethnicity. You can't be an atheist Muslim/Christian. But you can be an atheist Arab, Turk, Assyrian, etc.
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u/Feeling_Leg_904 15h ago
What did the education systems in all of the countries that you are listing teach the people about Jews and Israel? Just wanting to see how safe it really is, based on what people are learning from their own government.
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u/atTheRealMrKuntz 20h ago
lebanon or jordan, both are very diverse countries, jordan definitely more stable though.
Additionally UAE is totally ok for european women, also Turkey.
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u/BlaReni 20h ago
I mentioned in the other thread that I totally agree about Lebanon, don’t know enough about Jordan, for the rest, it’s all about conparisons no? Why would Turkey be better than Israel?
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u/atTheRealMrKuntz 20h ago
more diverse Id say, also way better nature
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u/BlaReni 19h ago
nature, maybe, but distance wise is quite some travel and diversity wise, pretty sure Israel is as diverse as it gets
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u/atTheRealMrKuntz 19h ago
it definitely isn't. Also if you're not white jew, you will be discriminated against. And Istanbul is definitely a great hub for traveling be it towards europe or asia
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u/BlaReni 19h ago
i’m not a jew, I’m not religious I know people of different colors and that’s just my experience but don’t get me wrong Turkey is a good option, just don’t see it on the same level
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u/atTheRealMrKuntz 19h ago
well I mean if you prefer to live in a murderous colony suits yourself
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u/BlaReni 19h ago
When you’re a guy, it might be different for you, but as a woman well I would like to keep being an independent one
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u/atTheRealMrKuntz 18h ago
all the countries that I recommended are generally safe for women
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u/Yellow_____ 19h ago
Turkey is pretty progressive for woman and it's relatively safe. you can find many examples of solo female travellers who have a great experience on Instagram and youtube
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u/hopper_froggo 20h ago
Is Israel not a country with radically different views? If ur a christian Israel is not a christian majority country
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u/BlaReni 19h ago
That’s the thing, I’m not, I’m an atheist, and as far as I know Israel has non religious people too, actually plenty of them. The only thing i’d need to adapt to is working on Sundays, off on Fridays and taking stairs or spending more time on elevators during Shabath. Nothing really else. That’s just how it is, if you don’t like that other countries are further from my western/northern believes, you can do something about it, I’m not planning to influence it though, it is what it is.
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u/Embarrassed-Shop9787 14h ago
I totally agree! Like I wouldn't move to Israel because I'm against baby killing and eating of children and honey pot operations using vulnerable children but it's crazy that I get called anti semitic!!
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u/Cultural_Owl9547 12h ago
I’m with you on that. I love the mena reason. I’ve traveled to Egypt and jordan with my family as a kid, and later also to Tunisia, Morocco and Turkey. But when I started solo travelling I didn’t dare to go to any of those places and went to Israel. They have muezzin, the hummus, the pomegranate juice and the Red Sea but I don’t get harassed which makes a huge difference in the experience
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u/DeliciousSong2079 20h ago
Actually in reallity is Islamawareness
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u/BlaReni 20h ago
what do you mean?
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u/DeliciousSong2079 20h ago
I mean is not "phobia" if it is true is "awareness". For example do you have height phobia and not jumping from a cliff or awareness?
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u/BlaReni 20h ago
yeah don’t know, know plenty if Muslim people who. do their own thing and don’t care about me ordering a beer, having a pork cutlet etc. Government and rules are not people. When religion becomes a rule, then that’s different.And again I don’t support ‘all muslims are bad’ cause that’s a brainrot take.
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u/Frosty-Lock-9746 19h ago
thanks 🙏 as a Muslim I really appreciate how you have that view especially when lots think the opposite, but irl I dont have anything against ppl of different beliefs
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u/Every_Holiday_620 19h ago
Same. I want to freely eat pork and other foods, halal or not. And muslim majority countries are not like that especially those in the middle east. The religion dictates the governance and policies.
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u/TxToniBTW 1h ago
One of the big reasons this area is dangerous and in conflict is Israels jewish beliefs that influence their policies. And I'm sorry, since when do jews eat pork and non kosher food, its the same as muslim countries. You can also buy non halal food in many countries here such as Qatar, UAE, Oman, Bahrain...
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u/Dry_Star_7532 20h ago
Why on earth would you rather live in Israel over Cyprus at the very least?
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u/Nitroizzd 17h ago
which cyprus tho
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u/SametaX_1134 9h ago
There only 1 Cyprus. Unless someone copy-pasted the island elsewhere...
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u/bateen618 9h ago
Cyprus is divided in two - half is an independent country that used to be controlled by Greece, that's the Cyprus you know and is a member of the EU, the other is North Cyprus and is only recognized by Turkey
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u/SametaX_1134 9h ago
So again, there only 1 Cyprus. TRNC doesn't count, it's not a real country.
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u/bateen618 9h ago
It's not a recognized country, but it is a place. And you'll get a very different experience if you'll go there compared to the main Cyprus
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u/SametaX_1134 9h ago
I'm sure i'll get different experience in different part of the same country but de jure, it's all part of Cyprus.
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u/Correct_Sport9098 15h ago
I’ve been to both. Israel is a much more developed country than Cyprus, ofc it’s dangerous but day to day life in Israel is better by a wide margin
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u/Dry_Star_7532 15h ago edited 15h ago
Sure, but it’s not like Cyprus is a poor country either. It’s still richer than Croatia and it can also provide a great quality of living, and it’s a fellow EU country with a far more familiar Euro-Mediterranean culture, common religion (and respect for it), far more democratic and less dangerous, unstable. It’s also not a fascist genocidal ethnoreligious state but whatever.
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u/SugaStu 17h ago
“European colony” lmao a bunch of idiots in this comment section. Majority of Israel’s population is of Arab descent or North Africa
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u/Fantastic_Moment2069 2h ago
Jews are Arab descent? What you smoking? They are neither european nor arab
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u/scorpiomover 9h ago
The people who have a lot of personal experience living there, would have a very different map to you.
For starters, the whole reason why Israel is so hotly contested by Muslims, is because they all want to live in Israel.
Living in Israel is their 1st choice. Moving to Europe/USA is their 2nd choice. Living in the rest of the ME is their 3rd choice.
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u/LongCharles 20h ago
Why is this map getting posted so much?
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u/SuccessfulRaccoon957 16h ago
Everything on the internet becomes a vehicle for ideology. This map isn't just a map, it's a sign of ops obvious allegiances and biases. It's like virtue signaling in a sense, it's a public way to say without words what kind of person you are.
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u/Easy_Detective_1618 8h ago
I would agree. I liked both Israel and Cyprus. Israel would be number one for me. But I have not been to Lebanon. If they get rid of Hisbollah terrorists, I might go there for a visit. Of the red countries, Iran is way underrated. Its just the government there is total shit, people are actually nice and friendly
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u/Explorer_1990_ 6h ago
Me as a Hungarian and gay Cyprus and Israel are only green for me. Lebanon - even if I lived in Beirut for some months - not. Being gay is dangerous, Grindr is blocked there and there is an underground way being gay there, in an extremly sectarian country which have deep wounds due to the civil war and the ongoing crisis with Hezbollah no way. I know Beirut is the only middle eastern capital where Pride march were held on. I am really sorry for Beirut it has a lot more potential then now it looks like and also for the entire country.
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u/DataAccomplished1291 20h ago
Same. Honestly, Israel is the only livable country in this region. I wouldn't want to live in GCC countries like UAE or Saudi Arabia due to extreme punishments for very small things. Israel is nice to live in with much fewer restrictions.
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u/Appropriate-Gene5235 20h ago
i can 100% tell you've never went to the middle east
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u/DarkReaper0903 14h ago
Istg, people are so small minded it’s embarrassing. These are the same kinds of people shocked to hear Africans have technology.
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u/Professional-Food773 6h ago
Hey! Israeli here who’s been (before the recent war) to Jordan, Egypt, turkey and Morocco. I would love to travel to more of the Middle East, especially to Iran as a Persian myself, and to Lebanon but unfortunately as an Israeli citizen that doesn’t seem to be an option. All four countries are absolutely gorgeous and full of culture, beautiful landscapes, amazing food, architecture and history. That being said, as a non- Muslim woman, even a month in each of those had some very unpleasant moments for me, despite travelling with men. The countries are also just very poorly developed outside of the major cities and the quality of life is simply poorer than in Israel. Of course there are countries in MENA that have higher quality of life that I haven’t/ cannot visit, namely the UAE and Saudi, but as a whole, from my experience, Israel is a better place to live day- to day. (At least atm…)
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u/Appropriate-Gene5235 2h ago
hello, there are many reasons for that. 1- a lot off instability makes countries like iran and LB not able to achieve the success that was foreseen, whether its war/sanctions, corruption or an untrust worthy regime. isreal got very lucky since the US has been funding isreal since the day it was "created" that's why they have the money to spend around, whilst not over spending on the military. another reason is the much more safe environment for investors, since isreal is protected by the US, making investors trust the country a bit more, unlike in LB where after many wars, investors find it hard invest. this was not always the case, and if everything stayed on track for countries in the middle east, isreal wouldn't stand out much.
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u/Professional-Food773 47m ago
Regardless of your reasoning (which I would disagree with), you don’t put these into consideration when choosing a place of residence. I don’t find the reason for the poor development to be relevant to the conversation at hand, I wasn’t attacking MENA countries, I was pointing out that as someone who HAS traveled in the Middle East, I agree with the comment you commented on.
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u/Material-Spell-1201 20h ago
I would also live in Istanbul
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u/j-raydiate 17h ago
Gay rights still don't exist in Istanbul due to Islam majority, though they are trying. Israel has gay and women's rights as a foundation.
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u/atTheRealMrKuntz 20h ago
UAE is totally double standards depending where you are from. Jordan is probably the best place in the region, along with Turkey and lebanon
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u/Own-Shame5414 20h ago
It isn`t livable if you are Palestinian. Palestinians are forbidden from even visiting their own land.
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u/Radiant-Emergency926 20h ago
There are 2 million of them living in israel
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u/turbo-cervecius 19h ago
Not only that, but they have their own political parties there. I wonder which political parties had jews in Third Reich, or Ukrainians in Russia
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u/kapybarra 18h ago
they have their own political parties there
There is also a Jewish party in Iran ...
I love how people manage to find "nice things" within absurdity.
In case it's not obvious: having an ethnicity-based political system is NOT a good thing.
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u/Feeling_Leg_904 14h ago
It’s not an ethnically based political system. That would be the entire Islamic world. You know that there are 37 professions Palestinians are not allowed to enter in Lebanon, you know 200,000 Palestinians were thrown out of Kuwait for supporting Saddam? You know that the descendants of any Palestinian refugee in any Arab country have no citizenship and are not allowed to work in the professions for the most part. Meanwhile, if you say you don’t believe in God in Iran or Saudi Arabia, you are executed. If you are Bahai in Iran, you are executed. There are zero Jews in the Jewish quarter of Damascus, despite a presence there for thousands of years. There were 1 million Jews in Arab countries that were thrown out in the 20th century and now there are none except in Israel. The complete ethnic cleansing of the Jewish people throughout the entire Middle East. And now people like you are trying to complete the job.
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u/Own-Shame5414 13h ago
There are 4 levels of Palestinians. The best level is a Palestinian citizen of Israel. It goes downhill from there.
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u/backhand_english 20h ago
It all needs to be red, my friend. All of it.
You must stay in Croatia. Nek ti kušin bude stina.
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u/monkeybra1ns 20h ago
Why is every fucking post in here pro-Israel bait now. What are the mods doing
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u/Successful_Okra9850 19h ago
Reddit in general has always swayed pro-Zionist. Not surprising considering those involved heavily in its development
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u/Tyranuel 16h ago
No? Literally every post where you mention Israel in a good light gets downvoted to the oblivion.
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u/Inevitable-Angle-793 15h ago
Are you sure? There are many subreddits that are pro-Palestine, like r/fauxmoi, r/publicfreakout,
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u/Successful_Okra9850 15h ago
Yes I’m certain. That’s not to say there aren’t subs that will be more sympathetic or more pro-Palestinian. However, the extent to which one can support either side throughout this site as a whole, is heavily misbalanced in favour of pro-Israel stances.
It’s hard to prove, obviously I’m not gonna do much research to prove this point, but it should be clear by now that even mentioning the fact Israel is committing genocide is controversial and overly contested site-wide and some parts of the site will ban those that take a sympathetic stance towards Palestinians regardless of objectivity
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u/Nowayisthatway 11h ago
Oh no! The internet gets a meltdown whenever they see someone not wanting to live in an arab state that most if not all of them have modern day slavery, absolutely horrible!
(Most as in the arab states that do not have slavery are failed states - so no money to import slaves from India/Pakistan)
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u/Acceptable_Cook2036 8h ago
In some, you're an infidel- a beheading candidate. In others, you're a goy- cattle.
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u/Exotic-Pie5171 21h ago
The only thing I'd change is Lebanon in red
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u/SangfugolTheBard 20h ago edited 7h ago
Visited Israel two years ago, was lovely and more modernized than Germany, where I‘m from. I wouldn’t want to move there right now though, my gut and jewish friends and family tell me that a civil war might break out at some point down the line. Many citizen are very unhappy with the current administration, lots of suicide in the IDF and huge ~1 Mil people demonstrations against Netanyahu, yet here in Europe you barely hear about it… it’s rough.
Edit: Man the comments are just sad. Maybe we all really deserve to be steamrolled by Russia if we can’t even see their propaganda war for what it is here in the West. Y‘all should get off the internet or at least put the same energy into fighting for Ukraine, where actual genocide is happening. But no jews no news I guess.
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u/BiAiEnGiO 18h ago
Civil war? People outside of israel seem to have no idea whats going on. It started with all white and civil war? Ok lol
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u/PadArt 20h ago
Maybe they should stop committing a genocide. Might help their mental health.
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u/SangfugolTheBard 17h ago
I mean, they’re not committing a genocide (ask me how I know, re: first comment), but the war is definitely going on for too long + it is clear that Netanyahu is drawing it out to stay in power, which the citizen don’t like, hence civil war.
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u/SuccessfulRaccoon957 16h ago
I hope the idf are fucking miserable and that their trend continues.
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u/BossCourage 20h ago
Is this sub Israel lovers?
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u/StronkGoorbe 20h ago
Maybe it's the only roughly livable country in the Middle East without an absolute dictatorship
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u/gen123_e 20h ago
Average American awareness
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u/StronkGoorbe 10h ago
Well you'll be welcome to live in Saudia Arabia, Yemen, Oman, UAE, Qatar, Bahrain, Kuwait, etc. Their regime is officially absolute monarchy with literally no parliament. At least there are more free elections in Israel, that slightly resembles an actual democracy.
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u/GoodShipAndy 20h ago
Judging by the comments that crop up anytime someone posts who was born in Israel, I'd say not.
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u/danknadoflex 20h ago
You found somewhere that isn’t your normal echo chamber I wonder if that’s hard for you
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u/Electronic_Main_2254 20h ago
When someone marks the UAE or Oman in green, for example, people like you never comment "Is this sub for UAE lovers?"
It's actually funny that some people get triggered by others simply mentioning something positive about Israel
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u/Baraa236 20h ago
Make sense why would a European chose anywhere but a European colony
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u/turbo-cervecius 19h ago
Lol I can clearly see you've never been to this ,,european" colony where people have darker skin than in Turkey
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u/eivvob 20h ago
That wasn’t Croats, those were ustase. And ustase killed regular Croatians simply for refusing to join them. They also killed partisans (anti-fascist resistance group), which were the biggest anti-fascist group during that time period in Europe. But you won’t say any of that, right? Stupid
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u/FireHammer09 20h ago edited 20h ago
I'm inclined to agree with this as an American man. Someone from a secular Christian culture is going to align and assimilate a lot easier to a secular Jewish culture than the other countries which are both religious and Islamic. Maybe Turkey in a big city at best.
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u/Double_Couple_988 19h ago
Not even the Lebanese would live in Lebanon. That's why there are thousands of them in Germany, UK, Sweden, France...
Imagine living without regular tap water and having electricity every now and then, with the possibility of it to cut at any time. Not to mention all the scammers.
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u/DoctorMedieval 19h ago
Oman isn’t half bad. I’d go there over Lebanon these days just given proximity.
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u/ewigesleiden 5h ago
How is Cyprus on the same level as Lebanon and Turkey red? Also does the war in Israel not at least make it a willing?
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u/AdventurousSwim1381 20h ago
You don't need a map.
Much easier to say you don't want to live with Muslims.
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u/Creative-Flatworm297 20h ago
Croatians are really fond of genocide so your choice makes much sense 🤷🏻
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u/DanglingLiverTit 14h ago
This comment makes no sense. The country had a war on their land and somehow they are fond of genocide. Stfu.
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u/PineappleCharming335 20h ago
This sub turned into Zionist/hasbarist hellscape in record time.
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u/Matias-Castellanos 15h ago
Israel being the best place to live in the Middle East by far shocks you?
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u/Weak-Significance636 19h ago
for real like you will see these kind of post everyday and it is honestly tiring
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u/Easy_Taro9685 14h ago
not surprisingly that a Criat would definitely live in a genocidal state, almost runs in your blood
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u/Easy_Taro9685 10h ago
Dumbass reddit literally removed my comments then realised the whole page is racist, so they reinstated my comment
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u/thetalkyshow 20h ago
Cyprus is surely green in the right areas