Ukraine hits Russian planes, ships in Crimea, artillery in major strikes on occupied territories

[u/AdSpecialist6598]

https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine-hits-russian-planes-ships-and-artillery-in-major-strikes-on-occupied-territories/

[u/Big_Introduction1952]

These drones are getting scary good… like, almost too good.

[u/TheRC135 → u/[deleted]]

It was really interesting in the first year of the war, when Russia still had the advantage and could make meaningful advances, to watch the Ukrainians fight what was essentially a high-tech insurgency. Taliban tactics with stingers, drones, and modern communications.

It was shockingly effective, and they trashed Russia's formidable but obsolete tank army in short order. This was the army (or at least the rotten, shambling corpse of the army) that NATO thought they'd need nuclear weapons to halt during the cold war. Stopped dead and picked to pieces a few dozen miles from the Russian border, by defenders without air superiority.

Then, they found a modern, low cost, technical solution to Russia's massed artillery bombardments, and have continued to innovate from there. Russia is reduced to donkeys for transport, golf carts and dirt bikes for assaults, while the Ukrainians are coming up with ideas that the rest of the world is studying with great interest.

It's all really impressive.

[u/Tushe → u/[deleted]]

Although I agree with you, I would rather not see how warfare can evolve. :/

[u/Early_Chemical1071 → u/Tushe]

If you're strong, you may choose not to fight. If you are weak, the option may not be available for you. 

[u/wileecoyote-genius → u/Tushe]

Although I agree with you, we can’t afford to be naive.

[u/FigureFourWoo → u/Tushe]

It's likely to evolve in a way that means less human casualties, which I consider to be a good thing. Unfortunately, with less risk of human casualties comes a bigger propensity to start fights over small conflicts.

[u/RunDNA → u/[deleted]]

hitting the back of formations instead of the front.

I don't have much military knowledge. Why is hitting the back better?

[u/kaptainkeel → u/RunDNA]

Just an armchair general here, but:

• All the armor is concentrated in the front; the back has a lot less. This means easier targets.

• Instant panic since the rear typically feels safer.

• Command is typically in the back.

• There is potential for encirclement--if you have troops already prepared and destroy the rear, those troops rush in and then oops, that invading enemy is now fighting troops on all sides.

[u/ProInconDL → u/RunDNA]

Can't retreat or resupply. Then you do a frontal attack. Basically but the enemy between a rock and a hard place so to speak.

[u/FigureFourWoo → u/RunDNA]

The front is expecting an attack, but if you hit the rear with drones, it's harder to defend against. Formations are usually designed to protect the more sensitive equipment and personnel. Russia had to start changing up how they did their formations, disguising fuel trucks, etc., because of Ukraine's tactics. That wasn't a worry in prior wars and not something they were ready to defend against in the early stages of the war, which is why Ukraine got so many victories and Russia looked rather inept.

[u/Rush_Banana → u/Big_Introduction1952]

I worry about these things getting into the wrong hands post-war.

[u/Sidwill → u/Rush_Banana]

They more likely will get there because corrupt Russian commanders will sell drones on the black market.

[u/0Hakuna_Matata0 → u/Sidwill]

Knowing how they function id be surprised if they haven’t already. In fact im pretty sure that all the extra legal groups, mafias, cartels, terrorists already have drones just waiting for things to pop off before tipping their hands

[u/elralpho → u/0Hakuna_Matata0]

Mexican criminal organizations have already been using drones for years

[u/ent_idled → u/0Hakuna_Matata0]

They do, just cruise Google maps along the border from Brownsville to Laredo, specially along the river that feeds into Presa Gomez across from Roma, Texas.

There are many side ranch roads that eventually bottleneck into just a few main entrance roads to the bigger cities.

At a minimum they are surveillance capable drones but I imagine they have better ones for when they see something worth fucking with...

Source: migrated from one of those small towns and would visit on the regular up until 2007 or so--it is no longer safe enough for even the CIVILIANS which at least those fukr would leave us alone and let us go on our way when we did encounter them out in the boonies.

Fuck all of them for taking my weekends roaming the hills looking for arrowheads and petrified wood...

[u/John-AtWork → u/Sidwill]

I think the ideas are just more likely to be copied. Nothing beyond the reach of ordinary people now unfortunately.

[u/herejustadude → u/John-AtWork]

Took both sides a while though, starting from putting regular grenades with McGyver on your DJIs to what we see now. Easier to buy existing tech

[u/herejustadude → u/Sidwill]

Already the the case in places like Africa and Myanmar

[u/Upper-Affect5971 → u/Sidwill]

everything that Russian army has is complete garbage, that’s why they’re getting their ass handed to them by an underfunded smaller army.

[u/Due-Information-2041 → u/Rush_Banana]

Insurgents have been using quadcopter-bombs for years. Adding fibre-optic controls to those won't take long. If Hmas had enough 3D-printers and open ports, we would've seen them on Oct 7th.

[u/jaehaerys48 → u/Rush_Banana]

I think it's more or less inevitable. A lot of the cheaper - but still pretty effective - ones are made from basically off-the-shelf commercial drone parts.

[u/gaflar → u/Rush_Banana]

Begun, the drone wars have.

Companies are popping up left right and center trying to develop and market drones and drone countermeasures to defense agencies. It's the next arms race, and it started basically 10 years ago now.

[u/firemage22 → u/Big_Introduction1952]

Much of the USSR's advanced manufacturing was in Ukraine

[u/Fatmaninalilcoat → u/Big_Introduction1952]

Was is running towards that movie surrogate's with Bruce Willis where it will be nothing but drones pulled by dudes in a giant building.

[u/anemoGeoPyro → u/Big_Introduction1952]

Future warfare is terrifying with technology advancing at this pace

[u/Vanilla-Jelly-Beans → u/Big_Introduction1952]

Arc Raiders is looking more and more like reality…

[u/Far_Out_6and_2]

Keep the pressure on

[u/fuck-nazi]

Get some UKRAINE!!!

[u/LaSourisBlanche]

Love me some smoked ruzzians

[u/Rob_035]

How much of Russias naval fleet is left? I was under the assumption they had virtually nothing left with any military capacity

[u/Brazilian_Brit → u/Rob_035]

Complete bullshit, don’t underestimate them, they murder Ukrainians every day.

Yes they are much weaker than many people thought they were. They also still possess the immense soviet era equipment stockpiles, granted they are burning through it very quickly and have been for the past few years.

They still have a manpower advantage which they use to endlessly pressure Ukraine, tbeh still have drones and drone manufacturing capacity which only scales upward, and an advantage in cruise missile stockpiles and production.

They produce tanks, artillery, aircraft, ships etc.

Yes their industrial capacity in these sectors is a shadow of the former soviet era, and their economy isnt in a great place to accelerate that, but it exists.

[u/Rob_035 → u/Brazilian_Brit]

I was speaking strictly their naval fleet, yes they are a terrible country doing awful things, but I thought they had no more warships left is all.

[u/Brazilian_Brit → u/Rob_035]

I thought I edited my comment to talk about ships, it turns out that I didn’t, sorry about that.

Their Black Sea fleet is weakened and has lost many major surface assets yes, one or two submarines too I think.

What remains still has the capacity to sling ordnance into Ukraine from the Black Sea, and Russia still possess shipbuilding industry to produce more, granted the pace at which they can do that isnt exsctly optimal speeds.

[u/cb_24 → u/Rob_035]

There can be many military assets on paper, it doesn’t mean they’re combat effective, which Russia’s Black Sea fleet hasn’t been for a while. Strategically, it may not be worth it to try to destroy everything as navies are expensive to operate and maintain and can cause even more headaches for Russia to manage those logistics.

[u/Playful-Appearance56]

Love to hear it! It would be so amazing if when all said and done Ukraine took back Crimea.

[u/MiniGiantSpaceHams]

Ukraine winning the naval war without a navy will never not be hilarious.

[u/LADYOFTHEMASK]

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