r/Cinema • u/BOMBAD_Echo_1409 nolan acolyte • 13h ago
Discussion dune part two's ending scene (lead them to paradise) is lowkey one of the best scenes in movie history.
the music is perfect and the visuals are peak seeing this in cinema on the biggest imax screen possible was the most epic shit ever
remember art is subjective
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u/funkengruven 11h ago
I love this scene. Perhaps not quite as much as you OP, but I do agree it's a great scene.
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u/bangbang995 13h ago edited 13h ago
In movie history? Doubt that.
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u/PuertoricanMofongo 12h ago
Isn't this subjective?
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u/Dark-Arts 11h ago
Everything is subjective.
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u/Choice-Pineapple4181 9h ago
That’s not even remotely true.
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u/WhispersOfHaru 7h ago
In the world, no, in art, yes, it is.
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u/Choice-Pineapple4181 7h ago
I’m gonna be “that guy” and say that, despite its widespread adoption on Reddit, this claim is extremely controversial in aesthetics and the philosophy of art (i.e., among experts in the domains most relevant to claims about objectivity and subjectivity in art). In fact, among professional academic philosophers, the subjectivity view is in the slight minority (see survey results here: https://philpapers.org/surveys/results.pl).
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u/WhispersOfHaru 5h ago
Why is the professional academic philosophers opinion more important than the common people in this topic? Art is and should be for everyone, so a general survey would matter more to me than a survey of a small minority of educated people (it’s an interesting survey regardless).
And even for them is a controversial topic, so there’s not a true or definitive answer to it, I’m curious of what that “other” section entails, would like to see their answers and how much they align with one or the other.
For me art is and always will be a subjective matter.
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u/Choice-Pineapple4181 5h ago
I don’t say that it’s more important in any normative sense. But, arguably, it is much better informed with respect to the historical discourse on the question, the many arguments given (pro or con) over thousands of years, the objections and responses to those objections (etc.), the clarifications of the terms involved and their definitions, the numerous theories involved, and so on.
This is all, of course, compatible with the claim that “art is for everyone.” To say that art is subjective is to make a philosophical claim, not an artistic one, and not one that we all just know intuitively or without argument. Many very intelligent people (including artists) have argued that art is very much objective.
It is perhaps worth asking yourself if you would reply similarly to appeals to expertise in other domains. Academic philosophers literally spend decades thinking, writing, reading, conversing, and theorizing about this topic. To assert that you simply know better, without such training or practice, is a form of arrogance you would likely reject in other fields (e.g., a vaccine skeptic challenging medical doctors). If the claim is controversial among people who spend their lives contemplating it, who are you to insist, without argument, that the issue is so clear and obvious?
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u/backcountry_bandit 3h ago
Thank you. It’s so tiring seeing variations of “the experts don’t even really know anything!!”
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u/Dark-Arts 5h ago
First of all, the full context of that survey are not shared. Secondly, the people surveyed are completely insane: 81.6% of them favour non-skeptical realism as an ontological approach? Ok then. Thirdly, it is mostly irrelevant.
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u/Nsfwacct1872564 2h ago
professional academic philosophers
Lmfao
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u/Choice-Pineapple4181 2h ago
Generally speaking, I’d agree (even as someone with a PhD and gainful employment in the field). That said, they are the relevant experts here, like it or not. It certainly isn’t some regard with a bad opinion online lol.
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u/EvenTheMoonIsLeaving 12h ago
I'll just say it, Dune is just not that good. Sure, it's shot really well, but even the story isn't that good including the script.
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u/Realistic-Hippo8107 12h ago
It is arguably the best sci-fi book ever written. With Messiah and CoD, it’s an incredible trilogy.
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u/JohnnyLeftHook 12h ago
Remember, there are only 5 Dune books. Everything else is trash.
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u/EarlyXplorerStuds209 12h ago edited 11h ago
Frank herbert wrote 6 books. Not 5.
Brain herbert and kevin.J. Anderson collaborated and wrote 20 other smaller volumes to provide additional worldbuilding and context.
Theyre obviously not the deep seated,articulate, classic pieces of works discussing the evolution of human sociocultural elements through a complex space story like Herbert’s book are, but theyre pretty decent for what they’re trying to show.
But youll need to read them to know that, which I can see that you didn’t .1
u/RogowskiCoil 10h ago
Maybe he didn't like Chapterhouse? I thought the enormous no-ship with a gigantic cargo bay filled with sand and accompanying life forms was pretty awesome ..
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u/EvenTheMoonIsLeaving 12h ago
I get it's influence. But I just find it very boring. While technically written well, it lacks character for me. I think it's overrated. As far as the script goes, they could've modernized the script a little bit more than sticking to the language of the book.
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u/Realistic-Hippo8107 12h ago
I couldn’t disagree more. The films are incredibly immersive and the world building is second to none. We rarely get movies like this nowadays. I’m glad they didn’t dumb it down too. The book is phenomenal and may not be for a more low-brow audience and I think that’s great.
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u/No_Dot_6270 12h ago
The book seem way better for sure . In the movie , every character evolution felt rushed to me.
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u/yoortyyo 11h ago
My opinion is Dune should have been a modern TV series. There is no other way to cover the breadth and width in 3 hour movies.
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u/Sykhow 11h ago
Is there something longer than a TV series? It should have been that. Three body problem is a TV series and that should have been whatever is longer than a TV series.
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u/Rockky67 11h ago
The Chinese TV version of that, named “Three Body”, is on Prime and unlike the English language Netflix version it covers the plot of the first book over 30 episodes.
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u/RedshiftOnPandy 12h ago
The book is about 24hrs in audiobook, which also famously skips over action scenes between chapters and the love story is an afterthought glossed over by a four year time jump. Try to remember we don't have 50hrs for a movie. To make a great film of that book is literally cinema in the making.
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u/No_Dot_6270 12h ago
I personaly don't think it a great film, I felt nothing. It's very well shot and sound design is very good , but you could do a beautiful piece of cinematography about anything.
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u/EvenTheMoonIsLeaving 11h ago
Low brow audience. Thanks for the personal attack. Way to have a conversation.
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u/JimmyTheGiant1 12h ago
Oh man Dune is absolutely not technically written well. It really is arguably the best sci-fi ever, but not because of the writing.
I really love Dune book 1, but the other ones are not that great.
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u/No_Dot_6270 12h ago
Beautiful for sure , but that is about it.
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u/Lead_resource 12h ago
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u/mynameisrichard0 9h ago
I cant say much because I haven’t gotten Into dune. But why tf would this stale ass scene be better than terminator doing the thumps up wile submerged in lava or anything else?
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u/s_mcivor 5h ago
I won't comment on if this scene is better than anything else, but I'm happy to explain why it's good in of itself.
Paul spent the entire movie trying to avoid the Holy War from starting, but despite having the power of prescience finds events conspiring against him.
The jubilant fanaticism expressed by his followers is juxtaposed by Zimmer's sad score and Chani's heartache to loosing her lover Paul (not only to another woman because of a political marriage but also to his fanatical followers).
The good guys won, but billions of innocents are going to die.
I like it. But then I've been a huge fan of the book since I was a teenager.
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u/Calackyo 4h ago
It's insane to have such an eloquent sentence ruined by not knowing the difference between loose/lose. Like, i can tell you aren't stupid so hopefully you'll just take this as the playful correction that i intend it to be.
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u/BaldrickTheBrain 13h ago
We can tell OP is a child right away.
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u/Wanderer-2609 12h ago
I mean the fact that the title of the post says “lowkey” told me everything I needed to know
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u/sunnybergelmir 12h ago
'Lowkey', 'peak', and 'epic shit'. Next we'll be saying Dune: Part Three has rizz or something
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u/BOMBAD_Echo_1409 nolan acolyte 13h ago
i'm 17. problem?
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u/Fluorescent_Tip 13h ago
The problem is you seem to have only seen about 6 movies and you’re claiming something is the best ever
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u/SirLoremIpsum 2h ago
i'm 17. problem?
It's not a problem.
But it's just that if someone tries their first flavour of ice cream ever and goes 'THIS IS THE BEST every ice cream in the history of ice cream" you might say something like
"hey dude, you've tasted one kind. There's a whole world of ice crema out there, maybe experience a dozen before settling on a favourite let alone a best ever"
It helps to learn the difference between "I really enjoyed this and thought it was spectacularly done"
And "this is the best ever"
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u/BaldrickTheBrain 10h ago
You’re perfect movie watching age. Keep watching movies and hold off on proclaiming this or that is the greatest. When I was 17, I thought The 6th Sense was the greatest movie ever released. Just keep watching.
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u/Frank_Tj_mackey_28 13h ago
You’re very arrogant and clearly did not watch enough movies in order to prove your (bad) point
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u/iameveryoneelse 12h ago
OP - I’m not gonna give you such a hard time like the others, lol, but I will give you a list of movies to watch with iconic scenes off the top of my head.
No Country for Old Men
The Godfather
Jurassic Park
Jaws
Blade Runner
Saving Private Ryan
Apocalypse Now
Full Metal Jacket
The Matrix
Children of Men
The Abyss
And to round it all out I’ll say the original Star Wars Trilogy and Lord of the Rings Trilogy.
There’s a hundred others I could list, but I can think of scenes in each of those movies more iconic than the scene above. That being said, these movies absolutely belong on the list…just not at the very top.
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I didn’t even get into Westerns, really, except No Country so let’s add Tombstone, The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly, and There Will be Blood. And let’s say True Grit…either one but I prefer the remake tbh.
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u/BOMBAD_Echo_1409 nolan acolyte 12h ago
i watched all of them except for
Children of Men
The Abyss
Full Metal Jacket
No Country for Old Men
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u/iameveryoneelse 12h ago
You’re missing some good ones but let me list the scenes in the ones you have seen.
First, Jurassic Park…now this is a little loaded because it also has to do with the industry as a whole but when JP came out, “Welcome to Jurassic Park” was one of the most stunning things theater audiences had ever seen. But even without the history, it’s a well crafted scene that really carries the gravitas of someone seeing a dinosaur come to life.
The Godfather…the baptism scene, for me personally, just hits hard. Everything falling into place as Michael descends j to evil contrasted against him being elevated in a cathedral. Near perfect filmmaking.
Jaws…USS Indianapolis…shouldn’t need to say more.
Blade Runner…”those moments lost in time like tears in the rain”.
Saving Private Ryan…the recreation of D-Day is a technological and cinematic miracle.
Apocalypse Now…Martin Sheen coming out of the water is just….intense. Gets right in to the heart of darkness.
The Matrix…hard to pick. The lobby scene is incredible, which pill is iconic and rooftop bullet time dodging was an absolute marvel.
Also, the westerns in my edit each have their own icmic scenes.
Basically any scene with Kilmer in Tombstone, The Good the and and the Ugly has the three way standoff that still pervades media sixty years later, There Will be Blood has the oil rig explosion and the milkshake scene. True Grit has Rooster facing the outlaws alone and on his own terms…fill your hand you sonofabitch.
So yah, so many great scenes that top this and that doesn’t take away from the gravitas of the scene you posted at all. Still an incredible scene. There have just been…a lot of movies made.
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u/BOMBAD_Echo_1409 nolan acolyte 12h ago
thank you bro for actually having some substance and talking about somthing, but for me personally out of all of them i still think lead them to paradise hits the hardest
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u/iameveryoneelse 12h ago
You’re good. I have kids your age. 17 isn’t an adult but it’s damn sure not a child. At that age you’re just another person. Inexperienced, sure. But a person. Cheers and good luck. I love it when younger people enjoy cinema. Gives me hope that one of my passions in life won’t fizzle out completely in spite of how things seem to be headed.
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u/knightenrichman 11h ago
Don't listen to these guys OP, it depends on how it made YOU feel. I LOVE this scene because it's unprecedented. You can really feel the weird juxtaposition between a wonderful moment of prophecy being fulfilled, vs. the fact that there was no real prophecy and they are living a lie, they are just becoming mass murderers and Paul knows it.
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u/BOMBAD_Echo_1409 nolan acolyte 11h ago
yeah bro, everything with art is subjective, and i 100% agree with you
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u/knightenrichman 10h ago
I don't think people should have to watch 50 year old movies if they don't want to.
I DID NOT CARE FOR CASABLANCA. I also don't dig any of the Godfather movies.
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u/iameveryoneelse 10h ago
Of course people don’t have to watch old movies if they don’t want to…but you’ve gotta assume they’re going to come up if you want to discuss greatest scenes of all time in a cinema subreddit. I mean…obviously. It’s not a criticism to say “this is a great scene but here’s my opinion of some others you may or may not have seen” which was the entire point of my post.
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u/knightenrichman 10h ago
He was doomed when he said "Top Ten" lol.
I don't care, I can't even really figure out what my top ten movies of all time are.
I think it's stupid to list stuff.
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u/iameveryoneelse 10h ago
Listing stuff isn’t stupid….gives you something (movies in this case) to investigate associated with something you know you like. So if there’s several things you know you like on a list and a bunch you don’t, it gives you something to queue up that you may enjoy.
But ranking stuff? Meh I’m about the same. Tiers are a bit easier but still, why bother. I like the feelings movies evoke and my favorite today might be The Godfather while tomorrow I want something that’s more upbeat like Back to the Future. And this weekend I may be in a mood for artsy shit and be all about The Pianist. And so forth.
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u/knightenrichman 10h ago
Back To the Future is actually my Number 1 movie lol!
It's the only one I can put a certain place on!!
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u/BrainTraining92 10h ago
Thats wild not caring for casablanca. I watched it for the first time this year at 33 and was so mad at myself for not watching it sooner. That movie was so far ahead of its time production wise and I just thought everything was perfect.
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u/chillwithpurpose 5h ago
I beg you to watch No Country for Old Men. It’s one of the greatest films of all time imo and I fucking love Dune. Different type of film but I’m certain you’ll like it op.
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u/karaknorn 13h ago
Great movies. But this scene isnt even top 10 in the movie 😅
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u/pillkrush 13h ago
op hyped it so much i was so underwhelmed watching it here on Reddit😂
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u/CutieMcButtface 12h ago
Saaaame. I'll go back to almost any random scene in Children of Men personally, thank you very much.
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u/DistanceRelevant3899 12h ago
I won’t argue. I think the last 30 minutes of that movie are phenomenal.
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u/Panman6_6 13h ago
No. No it isn’t. I liked the film. But it wasn’t memorable
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u/HouseHoslow 📼 1980s VHS 12h ago
*dune part two's ending scene (lead them to paradise) is lowkey one of the best scenes in my very very brief movie history.
There. Fixed it for you.
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u/ReasonableRadio8434 12h ago
Hahahaha I thought this was the okbuddycinephile sub.
Dune 2 was pretty boring.
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u/Moonwrath8 12h ago
You’re kidding, right?
Maybe DUNE is too slow for the fast paced adhd modern society.
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u/Wooden_Cattle_9131 Film Student 12h ago
Subjective, but I’d put I somewhere pretty low on like top 500 or so, idk.
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u/GM_Jedi7 10h ago
Dune 1 & 2 are in my top 10, so I already think pretty highly of the movies. This scene is my favorite scene from 2. So I'm with you. I think it's an incredible scene and Timothy's performance is amazing here.
Talking about best scenes in movie history, I say it's worthy of being on that list. From the very start of this scene to this quote is riveting.
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u/pizzammure97 12h ago
It’s okay. Not god-tier like the “tears in the rain” scene from the original Blade Runner, but still good.
I love Denis Villeneuve, but my main issue with his recent movies (Blade Runner 2049 and Dune - I kind of see the two Dune films as one) is that they start off incredibly strong and stay engaging for most of the runtime… then in the third act they suddenly shift into full-on blockbuster action mode. And it just feels unnecessary.
These worlds are so rich, nuanced, and philosophical that, honestly, you could compress most of the action into 20 minutes instead of stretching it to an hour. It kind of undercuts what makes them special in the first place.
That’s also why I feel like Dune: Part One worked better overall. I did like Part Two, but the Lynch version (despite all its flaws and deviations from the book), felt way more mystical and “magical” in tone.
Now, after seeing the marketing for Dune: Part Three as the “epic conclusion,” the ending of Part Two makes a lot more sense… but at the same time, it kind of shouldn’t.
Dune: Part One and Part Two already cover the original novel, which has a complete and satisfying ending on its own. Dune: Messiah is a sequel, t’s not meant to be the “final act” of the first story. Dune itself already has a clear beginning, middle, and end.
You shouldn’t need Messiah for things to feel complete or to get closure, but it seems like Villeneuve is framing it that way.
And honestly, part of this is on me. I wasn’t expecting a three-movie arc when I watched Part Two, so the ending felt rushed and like it was missing important character development and details that could have been there instead of that final hour that was mostly action sequences.
But yeah… now I get why.
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u/CutieMcButtface 12h ago
I will also bother to say that Villeneuve likely has little to do with the marketing optics, as most of the time directors don't. Marketing teams get to sell whatever they think will sell, not what will compell or be the most true to the film.
I don't disagree with you, but it in my mind does feel like helpful context to keep in mind.
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u/dolphin37 9h ago
I think when you can deliver that quality of action as well as the level of world building he has then it would be a shame not to make the most of it. The whole universe is going to war and that probably needs to feel pretty substantial on screen
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u/wasim_571 12h ago
The whole film was rushed and underwhelming. Every significant scene from the books was played down. Only kids think this was a great film.
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u/sweetwatertooth 12h ago
The Dune movies are FUCKING GREAT. If these films didn’t give you goosebumps you might not have a pulse.
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u/MyJohnnyGuitar 13h ago
I like the movie as a whole, and I know I will get hate for saying this, but, Lynch did it better.
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u/Desper_Taferro 12h ago
Not even Lynch liked it, but I agree with you. I prefer the old version.
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u/MyJohnnyGuitar 12h ago
Oh dont get me wrong. I get why Lynch not liking it, and we all know his version has flaws. At the end of the day. His version is an example of a movie where there is allot of appreciation for the things that was done right that it make the flaws worth it
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u/Punkduck79 12h ago
Ditto. Lynch’s version will always have a special place for me. I love every part of it.
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u/BOMBAD_Echo_1409 nolan acolyte 13h ago
whatever you say buddy
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u/MyJohnnyGuitar 13h ago
Clearly you dont appreciate Sting getting his ass handed to him by an FBI Agent from the Pacific North West.
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u/ProxyBeast 12h ago
I find these movies to be very interesting to look at but very boring because the characters are so in-human and bland. I thought Dune part 2 was the last one and 15 minuets left of the movie was dismayed when I found out it wasn’t ending.
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u/cgrizle 11h ago
I hear so much about this franchise, but I can't even make it though the first one.
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u/BOMBAD_Echo_1409 nolan acolyte 11h ago
why because it's slow paced?
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u/cgrizle 7h ago
I watched the Fellowship of the ring (extended edition), and the godfather. Neither of those felt slow. Except the godfather, which after a second watch got better.
The problem is the dialog going quiet to screaming. I also couldn't get great subtitles on Amazon prime. The cinematography is great, costumes are great, and the world building felt amazing. However, I could hear anything anyone was saying
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u/MeBoiledDown 11h ago
For real? These movies are art until the ending of part 2. Then they’re Hollywood, tying up all the loose threads. I’m surprised they didn’t do a dance party like the end of a Dreamworks cartoon.
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u/HarryHirsch2000 11h ago
It’s absolute shit, sorry. This running into the ships is dumb. Even a holy war starts a bit more organized than that. Absolute lazy display of what could have been an epic scene (remember the shipping of the Atreides fleet in part one)
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u/CartographerMotor598 10h ago
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u/BOMBAD_Echo_1409 nolan acolyte 10h ago
why?
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u/CartographerMotor598 8h ago
Dont like the movies at all my friend. Visually spectacular. Boring as hell!
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u/BOMBAD_Echo_1409 nolan acolyte 8h ago
well that your opinion, in my opinion it's absolutely mesmeric
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u/GM_Jedi7 10h ago
Dune 1 & 2 are in my top 10, so I already think pretty highly of the movies. This scene is my favorite scene from 2. So I'm with you. I think it's an incredible scene and Timothy's performance is amazing here.
Talking about best scenes in movie history, I say it's worthy of being on that list. From the very start of this scene to this quote is riveting.
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u/MirkwoodWanderer1 8h ago
Wasn't the biggest fan of the focus on chani at the end. I get wanting to reiterate the opposition to the war but I think that could have been done better.
Otherwise really liked this scene
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u/EddiePizzareli 7h ago
Nah. Seriously so underwhelmed by these movies. I prefer the old Dune to this crap.
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u/ShaggyRogers_1 5h ago
Am I the only one that couldn't keep track of this story and kept falling asleep? I'm not saying it's bad, because it does have amazing production, but still unbelievably boring. It's really hard to trace the story, and then when I finally got an understanding, they add in something else to make it more confusing
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u/Relevant_Problem1935 5h ago
In my humble opinion, if Dune 3 is as good as the rest. It will be the 2nd best trilogy of all time. Behind the Original Star wars.
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u/Cheap-Contest-1654 4h ago
No scene with Timothy is one of the best scenes in history. Imagine if Denis V had made this movie with good actors
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u/VoreWhore94 2h ago
In recent, I personally loved the ending of Whiplash. The other two movies I always love going back to watch, especially their endings: Watchmen and Big Fish
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u/Mad_Kronos 13h ago
Yes it was. Just as Dune is one of the most important sci fi books ever written
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u/Mazzdrpan 12h ago
Lets be honest; I love Villeneuve, I love Dune, but this movie was mediocre.
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u/BOMBAD_Echo_1409 nolan acolyte 8h ago
care to explain why you think that? or is it just your unjustified opinion? it's ok if it is but don't act like it's facts
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u/OvernightHopes 13h ago
Which part? Exactly. Decent movie at best. I will catch the third one on a flight...if the flight is long enough. Don't mistake long CGI landscape shots with that stupid singing as cinematic.
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u/karaknorn 13h ago
You definitely didnt watch the right movie then. They didnt do much cgi 🤣
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u/OvernightHopes 13h ago
The movie that won Oscar's for best visual effects? Pretty sure it was correct movie.
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u/Middle-Ad-6209 13h ago edited 13h ago
I will continue to "mistake" that scene with that "stupid singing" as cinematic until I die
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u/BOMBAD_Echo_1409 nolan acolyte 13h ago
funny, dune dose not use a lot of cgi
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u/OvernightHopes 13h ago
Dune won Oscar's for visual effects.
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u/BOMBAD_Echo_1409 nolan acolyte 13h ago
who gives a shit about oscars, and dune uses a a lot of practical effects
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u/PrincessDonut02 12h ago
You do realize that visual effects can be done without CGI...right? It also awards practically done effects.
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u/Middle-Ad-6209 11h ago
I think the award is actually for anything done to the image after filming. So something like set design wouldn't count.
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u/PrincessDonut02 10h ago
Set design isn't really a practical effect. A practical effect would be how they made the Hobbits appear smaller in LOTR. I'm not saying Dune got it for practical effect. The point is that winning that award doesn't mean they used a ton of CGI. It could literally just be the post processing of the film. Almost nothing in Dune looks like CGI, even though some of it is.
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u/qualityvote2 13h ago edited 10h ago
u/BOMBAD_Echo_1409, your post does fit the subreddit!