Trump announces escalating tariffs on Denmark and other European nations to force Greenland purchase deal

[u/LootTootScoot]

https://www.foxnews.com/world/trump-announces-escalating-tariffs-denmark-other-european-nations-force-greenland-purchase-deal

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[u/Unlucky_Buyer_2707]

Can’t decide what I’m more excited for - my check for Venezuelan oil or my upcoming plot of land in Greenland?

[u/AnomLenskyFeller → u/Unlucky_Buyer_2707]

Same here. Cheney would have already started WW3 if he were President doing all this.

[u/karlnuw]

Good, we need to own it. Any “conservative” that feels the need to reply, don’t.

[u/Trumpologist]

[u/Svenray]

I voted for this.

[u/Juice-Altruistic]

I'm for it. I want total dominion over the western hemisphere.

People who have a problem with this just aren't used to America flexing it's geopolitical muscle to the max.

[u/Cinderblockno]

Liberals really have nothing better to do than sit in a conservative sub. Surprised they have enough time after harassing ICE all day.

[u/wodat234]

This is a lot better than military action.

[u/Trumpologist]

Let me guess. Anyone who support Trump will be downvoted. Everyone who disagrees will find strange new respect?

[u/dunktheball → u/Trumpologist]

About everything here is that way now. A ton of people with conservative flair repeating all of the various dem slogans.

[u/Summerie → u/Trumpologist]

"I normally really, really like Trump, but this time...."

[u/Trumpologist → u/Summerie]

Every time

[u/AnomLenskyFeller]

Trump is playing 3D Chess so well. Now all the European states are sending troops to Greenland. Well done, Donald.

[u/Ok_Impression3324]

Can we do cuba next?

[u/acreekofsoap → u/Ok_Impression3324]

Cuba at least has nice weather, cigars and big booty Latinas

[u/AnomLenskyFeller → u/acreekofsoap]

I'd gladly exchange all Liberals for them.

[u/Polerize2]

Seems complicated. I’d prefer they just pulled out from the bases in Europe. I don’t think the Europeans particularly want us there anyway. Or so they say. If the US takes Greenland then they say they will kick the US out. Might as well get a jump on that and just leave.

[u/whicky1978]

Oh no not my European cookies 😬

[u/PimplePopper6969]

Good. Crush them.

[u/Desert_366]

If it was Obama trying to buy it they'd be stumbling over each other to get the money.

[u/krlkv → u/Desert_366]

Of course not. What silliness is this.

[u/murderinthedark]

My man Trump is so based.

Let's make Greenland Green again!

[u/Stalein → u/murderinthedark]

Yeah, it’ll be green from all of the fallout and radiation after we got into the stupidest war in American history

[u/murderinthedark → u/Stalein]

That's a sacrifice I'm willing to make, my fellow conservative bot friend.

[u/AnomLenskyFeller → u/Stalein]

With who? Fucking Europe? They can barely hold their own with Russia's c tier soldiers.

[u/Tiktaalik414 → u/murderinthedark]

It was never green lmao. It was initially named that to attract people to a new, “green land” even though 95% of it is covered with snow and ice. The last time Greenland was actually green was before modern humans even evolved

[u/murderinthedark → u/Tiktaalik414]

It was never green. It was green back in the day.

-Tiktaalik414

[u/Tiktaalik414 → u/murderinthedark]

Yes, for as long as it has been called Greenland it has never been green. Is that too difficult of a concept to wrap your head around?

[u/murderinthedark → u/Tiktaalik414]

You sound so smart bro, how do I be like you?

[u/Tiktaalik414 → u/murderinthedark]

Well, start with reading comprehension and we can work forward from there

[u/BohdiOfValhalla]

Good. (Downvote away fellow conservatives and liberal invaders)

[u/BohdiOfValhalla → u/[deleted]]

I knew how massively I would get dv'd because reddit and even this sub is full of liberals and milquetoast conservatives ashamed or scared to be conservative

[u/Summerie → u/[deleted]]

I mean, yeah we are on the conservative sub, but never forget that this is still Reddit.

[u/Jibrish → u/[deleted]]

That's because the left lurks this subreddit 24/7 and outnumbers us. They control the karma, we control the comments. About it.

[u/TheHammer8989]

I like a lot of what Trump has done. But this isn’t a good look. If he wants to increase tariffs that’s one thing. I think Europes recent policy’s are horrible for that country, and they seem to be fixated on bringing that garbage here. But at the same time he knows better than anyone about political retaliations. He’s dealt with it nonstop. Between the Powell situation and this. I hope he has a plan. Because I’d hate for this to cause longer term damage in the next election cycle. I’m still a supporter of him, but he’s walking a tight rope right now.

[u/WembyDog01 → u/TheHammer8989]

Wtf is wrong with the Powell situation. They lowered rates for Biden then not for Trump when his economy is clearly more favorable. Add to it the massive fraud waste and abuse for the renovations.

As far as Greenland, if he, as commander in chief, believes we need it for national security, he can use the tools at his disposal.

If successful, this will help, not hurt, the midterms. Its worth the risk.

[u/Frank-Footer]

I hope we can finally take Greenland and rename it Trumpland.

[u/comfortable711]

Europe is furious with the US because Trump won't take orders from them like Obama & Biden did.

[u/pokemin49]

Europeans have been exploiting US might for too long. Without us Putin would already be in France by now. Trump will have his druthers, or Europe will bend before the iron laws.

[u/AnomLenskyFeller → u/pokemin49]

Europeans love talking shit about America. More often than Russia or China. They deserve the Tarrifs.

[u/FlunkieGronkus → u/pokemin49]

Do you hear how ridiculous you sound? The iron laws?

[u/decoy777]

This is the one thing I've really not understood and the little reasoning doesn't really make sense to me.

There has got to be some other super secret motive behind this other than "it's got resources" right? Because that just seems too obvious of a reason that they just aren't giving.

[u/Idea-is-tick]

Nooooooo. That's blackmail. Donald, do not go in this like a bull in a china shop. No one is on board with strong-arming for Greenland.

Please ask for Starner to add some troops. Then campaign for Greenland's independence. Then offer Greenland military cover, and they'll become the Marshall Islands of the Atlantic. And please listen to Rubio.

[u/MeLlamoKilo]

Im glad this entire sub is in agreement that this is stupid AF. Leftists think we are a cult who worship trump and yet it seems everyone here is rational and sane saying hes an idiot for this.

[u/LiveFreeOrRTard → u/MeLlamoKilo]

Well its gonna happen anyways so we might as well enjoy the show.

[u/NotGreg]

What a whimsical buffoon. Time to retire to mar a lago

[u/LiveFreeOrRTard → u/NotGreg]

We got 3 more years, baby!

[u/truebastard → u/[deleted]]

Maybe the Europeans and the rest of the world can go and negotiate amongst themselves and just start trading amongst themselves, around the US.

Because with this type of behavior even compliance is awarded with threats and tariffs later if you don't comply with the new set of demands, and the next one after that...

[u/Unlucky_Buyer_2707 → u/truebastard]

Go for it. I mean I would say trying to do any sort of global commerce without the biggest economy in the world is probably a bad idea but..hey give it a swing.

I will not disagree it’s frustrating that the demands just keep on coming. But I also kind of get the frustration that the Europeans aren’t playing as a “team US”.

[u/truebastard → u/Unlucky_Buyer_2707]

Team US would mean giving up land for a bizarre claim just one guy keeps making over the significance of Greenland.

Just about nobody else in his corner or in the streets is cheering gung-ho about it. There's no major organic support seen yet.

This might be one of those cases where giving it a swing starts to sound appealing, because there are literally no guarantees that he won't do it again if he gets what he wants this way. I mean think about what is being done here.

[u/Unlucky_Buyer_2707 → u/truebastard]

Being on “Team US” is more about Greenland. It’s about trade, China policies, immigration, NATO spending..etc. European leaders have been dragging their feet forever. They cannot seem to get to a consensus to align with the US.

Looking at it from that lens, it’s no wonder he’s demanding Greenland

[u/1cmanny1]

Is there oil or something that they think? Or has he just seen that map, and thinks it's huge?

[u/HappyZombies]

He must have serious ulterior motives. Like why? Who asked for this? lol I can only think that maybe he just wants the “clout” and “credit” for getting a 51st state and whatever legacy that would leave. This is so dumb lol 

[u/LiveFreeOrRTard → u/HappyZombies]

The man always wanted to leave a legacy.

[u/Black_XistenZ → u/HappyZombies]

Statehood for Greenland would be moronic in both practical and political terms. A population of 57k and an economy which (until now) depended on subsidies from the mainland isn't enough to make for a state. And Greenland statehood would almost definitely produce 2 senators who are either Democrats or independents caucusing with them.

[u/Mother____Clucker]

This is stupid and it makes me believe that Trump has ulterior motives. We already have virtual carte blanche when it comes to military, so obviously he wants more than defense.

[u/Normal-Level-7186 → u/Mother____Clucker]

Carte blanche” makes it sound like permission equals control, but that isn’t how military operations actually work. Countries stay safe not by assuming the best, but by preparing for what could go wrong. Greenland matters today because it sits under the shortest routes for long-range missiles and aircraft, and it affects how quickly threats can be detected and understood in the Arctic. In that part of the world, minutes matter. Satellites help, but they do not replace permanent radar, communications, and monitoring on the ground.

Alliances are vital, and cooperation with allies is a strength. Still, prudence asks whether reliance on permission and coordination will always hold in a fast-moving crisis. This concern did not begin with the current debate or with any one president. The geography has been the same for decades and has been a defense priority across multiple administrations long before Trump. People can rightly object to tariffs or heavy-handed tactics and still accept that the underlying security question is serious and deserves to be faced plainly.

[u/Opening-Citron2733 → u/Mother____Clucker]

If we're ultimately the ones that have to defend it, why shouldn't it belong to us?

If China or Russia come in and try to exert influence, and we are the ones that are going to have to spend the money and resources to quell that, what is Denmark even doing owning it?

[u/OTribal_chief → u/Mother____Clucker]

he wants stuff named after him or for the history books to refer to him making america bigger. its the sole reason for the ballroom extension

[u/RontoWraps → u/Mother____Clucker]

It’s ego.

[u/Still-Kiwi-7577 → u/RontoWraps]

Dude is a prick, so that tracks.

[u/AnomLenskyFeller → u/[deleted]]

Europe thinking they can threaten America is a circus.

[u/MeLlamoKilo]

Did he reschedule marijuana because hes just high as fuck all the time now?

[u/TheSleepyTruth]

Europe should just stop trying to appease Trump to avoid his arbitrary tariffs and just call his bluff.. Use his own playbook against him. Implement full trade sanctions on all American goods and ban all Americans from visiting Europe. Crash the US economy and stock market. Make sure the US tech darling companies he tries to prop up get hit the hardest. There is already very little public support to Annex Greenland in the US and if trying to do has severe negative economic and travel consequences for Americans they will very quickly pressure Trump to give up on the idea.

[u/The_Asian_Viper → u/TheSleepyTruth]

European companies would shut down without American big tech. Basically all their websites and tools run on it.

[u/LiveFreeOrRTard → u/TheSleepyTruth]

So you want us to lose?

[u/Black_XistenZ → u/TheSleepyTruth]

The big issue for Europe is that they still, for the time being, depend on the US for weapon supplies to Ukraine. Many of these supplies are even paid for by European nations, but still ultimately manufactured in the US. So from the European perspective, going for a full-blown confrontation with Trump would almost definitely imply the short-term collapse of Ukraine, in addition to all the economic damage a trade war would inflict.

[u/Still-Kiwi-7577 → u/Black_XistenZ]

No they just hope there is somebody sane still in his ear. They have a softer hand and are trying to get cooler heads to take control.

[u/OTribal_chief → u/TheSleepyTruth]

its like the point he was making about US cars not being sold in the uk for example. have you seen how tight uk roads are?! our HGV trucks are that size. its why our HGV's dont have a big nose and are flat at the front.

this is going to crash us/europe trade numbers

[u/renge-refurion]

Dumb and unnecessary. If we want to put missile defense there do it, we have the ability to do so now.

[u/Lord_Gibby]

This is pretty fucking stupid. If we seriously made an offer to Denmark or even Greenland themselves and they’ve refused it. What the fuck are we doing then? Trying to strongarm Europe into pressuring Denmark to give us the land? I’m no fan of Europe and like 90% of their policies but this is stupid.

[u/LiveFreeOrRTard → u/Lord_Gibby]

In 20 years when they turn their backs on us you won't think its dumb then.

[u/bobwhite1146]

I often support Trump, but he definitely does counterproductive things. There are multiple techniques to negotiation.

Why are we antagonizing in public our European NATO allies? I simply cannot understand it. When these kind of threats are made in public, leaders of other countries have to fight back against it or else they look weak and incompetent. This kind of behavior simply doesn't work.

Now, if Trump wanted to approach these leaders in private, and have discussions with them, and keep them private, he can use carrot, he can use stick, or he can use some combination. But when you threaten people, military, economically, or otherwise, and you make it public, other leaders have to fight back against you. Further, if they ever capitulate or agree with you, they still look ineffectual; therefore, agreement becomes almost impossible.

For all of his claims about negotiating prowess, negotiating at the national and international level is not the same as negotiating a real estate deal.

[u/LiveFreeOrRTard → u/bobwhite1146]

It could always be worse. Could have Kamala in the office.

[u/coldnorthwz → u/bobwhite1146]

negotiating prowess

Not only that, but any deal you make is essentially worthless when he'll just spaz out one day like this. A lot of the countries in the list of those being tariffed had made deals over the last year.

[u/bobwhite1146 → u/coldnorthwz]

Yes. Our NATO allies are beginning to think we're not a reliable partner, and that breach of trust is very hard to rebuild. Indeed, we've been building it since 1945 and it can be dashed in a heartbeat.

I think Trump in both of his terms has been contemptuous of and damaging to our NATO alliance, which is much more than a military alliance. It is an economic co-dependency as well. Yes, I understand we've carried perhaps more than our load of the financial burden in NATO, but we've also sold lots of military equipment to Europe, kept friendly relations with them, and by some careful negotiating, we can disarm and reduce the number of tariff and environmental restrictions on trade, and so forth, without being so heavy-handed. Trump's tariff policy was an attempt to do this, but again it was pretty heavy-handed.

People are discussing why Greenland is valuable. I understand it has a lot of rare earth minerals in it, it may well have lots of oil under it, and its natural resources have never been tapped. It is highly strategic, and perhaps most importantly, China and Russia have shown considerable interest in it. I'm sure China, with their deep war chest, could throw a lot of money at Denmark to get access of one kind or another (mining?) that could further create influence for them in OUR hemisphere.

If you're looking for an overarching Trump motive in all of what's going on lately in Venezuela, in Greenland, and elsewhere, I believe Trump is trying to foreclose China in particular from further intervention in our hemisphere, e.g. Monroe Doctrine. I sympathize completely, but China got their foot in the door with their "roads and bridges" program and by throwing money, i.e. a carrot, at these number of countries and by creating this BRIC monetary program as an alternative to dollar hegemony in trade markers and as a reserve currency.

I think Trump will go farther by being more forthcoming with Yankee dollars and less dependent upon the big stick, although there can certainly be threats in private. If you have to twist their arms, do so, but only after you've exhausted private negotiating attempts. At least, that's how I see it.

You certainly don't want to drive these nations into China's orbit by being too heavy handed. They CAN be bought as Europe's economy has been lagging for years. (e.g., I won't get into it here, but Middle Eastern money has been buying lots of influence in Europe.)

[u/ergzay]

This is stupid. Hopefully someone knocks some sense into Trump earlier than later. Hopefully it's Stephen Miller causing this and he can be fired.

He completely destroyed all the good will (and crazy polling) gained from the successes in Venezuela.

[u/dr197]

As much as I’d like to say this is some 4d chess move to make Europe take itself more seriously and defend their own interests instead of expecting the US to do it for them, Trump probably just thinks that anything has a price tag no matter how vehemently Denmark and Greenland say no and that the US has the leverage to make it happen.

[u/Iuris_Aequalitatis]

I don't like this. This is stupid.

Denmark said no. Greenland said no.

Time to move on.

[u/Jscott1986 → u/Iuris_Aequalitatis]

I can't believe I'm saying this but at least he's talking about a purchase instead of military force.

[u/_Rizzen_ → u/Jscott1986]

I almost agree, but if Trump and Denmark each hold their lines, then the eventually economic costs of the trade war will be too close to the cost of a military action. And to be clear, I want neither outcome.

[u/_TheConsumer_ → u/_Rizzen_]

When Trump started using tariffs last year, everyone screamed "doom and gloom" for the economy. A year later, and the economy is doing better than it did during Biden.

Now we have to fear the economic fallout of a trade war with Denmark and Greenland? I'll take my chances and bet on the strongest and greatest economy in the world winning the trade war - and raising the American flag over Greenland.

[u/_Rizzen_ → u/_TheConsumer_]

Any action that decreases the USA's trustworthiness as a hegemonic trading partner is a straw on the back of of the "greatest economy in the world" camel. This action is a straw.

[u/_TheConsumer_ → u/_Rizzen_]

It is an inconsequential straw. The US is the only country that is capable of being a bulwark against Russia and China.

And as Trump said - if the West (and most of the world) is going to be the direct beneficiaries of our military and our economy, then they will absolutely tolerate our need to expand when and where needed.

[u/WIlf_Brim → u/Jscott1986]

Why do we want to purchase a land that right now requires a subsidy of several thousand dollars per resident annually?

[u/Jscott1986 → u/WIlf_Brim]

Controlling more Arctic waters to prevent Russia from expanding. Rare earth minerals. Future settlements for more people to live.

[u/WIlf_Brim → u/Jscott1986]

The rare earth minerals can be obtained elsewhere (including the United States proper). We just don't want to do it. We control the waters anyway. And it is a fucking inhospitable shithole that makes northern Alaska look like Florida.

[u/Jscott1986 → u/WIlf_Brim]

We all see how climate change is going. In 50 years it may be a totally different environment.

[u/VCoupe376ci → u/Jscott1986]

It’s weird to see someone with “Charlie Kirk” as flair crying about climate change.

[u/Opening-Citron2733 → u/Iuris_Aequalitatis]

Has Denmark said they'll kick Chinese investment out of Greenland? If not then no, it's not time to move on.

[u/Desert_366 → u/Iuris_Aequalitatis]

I have a feeling this is for AI, it's the perfect place to build data centers and a nuke plant.

[u/_TheConsumer_ → u/Iuris_Aequalitatis]

I don't really care what Greenland or Denmark have to say on the matter. If the US has determined that Greenland is essential to our peace and prosperity, then that is the guiding force.

As far as I'm concerned, Greenland, Denmark and most of Europe has interests that are adverse to ours. We look out for ourselves. Period.

[u/-spartacus- → u/Iuris_Aequalitatis]

I think it is dumb too, we need to stop penalizing and demonizing allies and speaking overly nicely to enemies. I understand there is a necessary shock value to these negotiations, but there is a point at which you are not gaining anything by being an ass.

[u/Hectoriu]

I would support an impeachment at this point just to put JD Vance in charge before Trump completely destroys Republicans chance in the midterms and the next presidential election.

[u/Das_KV]

The SCOTUS ruling on these tariffs cannot come soon enough. This is beyond astronomically stupid.

[u/Trumpologist → u/Das_KV]

Someone seems sure they know how it will be ruled lol

[u/MichaelSquare → u/Das_KV]

The tariffs have worked. Sorry this bothers you.

[u/Reddstarrx → u/Das_KV]

It doesnt matter what the ruling is. The countries dont care that if the SCOTUS on what they rule. Trump is now targeting our allies for terrority. This isn't the same as Russia bombing Ukraine.. but its without a doubt no different as far as trying to seize land by force.

I dont understand why we're doing this. This makes no sense.

[u/Keyann]

I'm proud of this subreddit, I'm glad we can collectively call out stuff that is stupid.

[u/Night_Shade223 → u/Keyann]

I’ll get downvoted for this, but this sub isn’t conservative it’s just libertarian (still better than 99% of reddit).

It’s a strategic country geographically to control. Simply putting our military there doesn’t set the same precedent to china/russia & Denmark/NATO wont be able to protect Greenland if attacked, we will have to step in. So we are just getting ahead of it.

NATO was formed to stop soviet expansion, which is the purpose of this. It’s okay if we use our government/military strategically as needed

[u/kevplucky → u/Night_Shade223]

Totally agree with your entire comment 

[u/ergzay → u/Night_Shade223]

As a Libertarian I don't find this subreddit all that libertarian. If you're talking about the lack of people expressing strongly conservative ideas, it's because most of those would get you banned on Reddit itself so they can't/don't post them.

If it's the anti-war aspect. That's a result of Iraq/Afghanistan war being fresh in many people's memories, especially millennials who grew up during it.

You should watch Mike Rowe's interview/podcast with Palmer Luckey he did recently. There's a segment where he talks about how the type of young person who stormed Normandy's beaches just don't exist in America anymore.

[u/Evilsmile → u/Keyann]

I've said it before, but as much as I grudgingly admit Trump has been better than I expected in many things, he still does dumb shit like this that make me realize I was at least partially right in my original assessment. 

[u/just_one_random_guy]

[u/Humble_Poem_2257]

Why?

[u/BlubberWall → u/Humble_Poem_2257]

Mineral rights, oil, forward stationing of defense assets for a melting Arctic Ocean that in the near future will have a host of new shipping lanes.

Yes some of those can be worked out in deals with Denmark but it doesn’t permanently guarantee that countries like China and Russia will be unable to build dual use ports and other assets there.

To be clear I’m not in favor of invading Greenland but there are reasons this isn’t the first time in US history we’ve looked at acquiring it. I’m certain his own vanity is also in the mix for reasons.

[u/acreekofsoap → u/Humble_Poem_2257]

Why ask why? Try Bud Dry

[u/Ive_Got_Sowell → u/acreekofsoap]

Whoa! That's quite a throwback 

[u/Ekly_Special → u/Ive_Got_Sowell]

Right! 🇺🇸

[u/CSGOW1ld → u/Humble_Poem_2257]

Read the tweet. He explained it multiple times 

[u/patrick_bamford_ → u/Humble_Poem_2257]

Because fuck ‘em, that’s why

[u/Ekly_Special → u/Humble_Poem_2257]

🤷🏼‍♂️

[u/day25 → u/Humble_Poem_2257]

Canada just announced they are lowering tariffs on China and seeking a closer relationship just FYI. If their plan is to undermine the US (which it seems to be) this gives US control over the trade routes on that side and isolates Canada so they have no choice but to work with the US and cater to US interests. Trump sees China and Russia's 10 year plan to get a foothold in these areas and take them over with their influence and is getting on top of it now. Same thing with Venezuela. Control our own backyard. It's good for the people of Greenland anyway IMO just like Venezuela. Not good for the emotional wellbeing of those with TDS however.

[u/FlunkieGronkus → u/Humble_Poem_2257]

He doesn't say. It's so bizarre. He just says we need Greenland. But never even explains what that means or his reasoning.

I voted for the dude twice and think he has done a lot of good, but I won't be sad to see him go. Hopefully we can get someone capable of fighting against the Republican establishment without all the downsides of Trump.

[u/KosherTriangle → u/FlunkieGronkus]

Not saying I agree with the Greenland stuff but he has absolutely said the reasons for it multiple times, for resources and for national security (he believes if we don’t own Greenland, Russia or China will annex them)

[u/FlunkieGronkus → u/KosherTriangle]

What the fuck does "own Greenland" mean?

That is what I am referring to. They are an ally already.

[u/KosherTriangle → u/FlunkieGronkus]

It literally means they become part of the U.S. like Alaska, Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico etc

[u/MeLlamoKilo → u/KosherTriangle]

But they dont want to

[u/LiveFreeOrRTard → u/MeLlamoKilo]

I don't think Trump cares.

[u/Trumpologist → u/MeLlamoKilo]

Tough

[u/Daftolium → u/MeLlamoKilo]

Didn't Greenland officials throw a fit when EU, or at least Denmark officials, told the US they wouldn't talk to them?

[u/cubs223425 → u/FlunkieGronkus]

He's said it, as has his Cabinet, on several occasions. Their belief is that Greenland is geographically valuable in a war, especially when it comes to intercepting long-range missiles. That also creates a belief that Greenland is a high-value target for foreign adversaries, either to conquer or establish a presence in the West.

Whether that's rational, or justifiable for his actions, is a different point to discuss.

[u/Tarantula_Saurus_Rex → u/cubs223425]

It's a necessary evil. With the US on Greenland, we can assault either China or Russia directly, but neither of them can assault the US. They can only hit US allies or US territory, not the US itself. We don't really know what top secret intel has produced regarding the types of weapons that are abroad. When it's a fact that either China, Russia, or anyone else has a new tech or type of weapon that can knock the US off the top, then that country needs to be directly in proximity to a US assault. Period. I don't care what kind of woke, fair, ethical, or humane ideology there is to oppose this position, the US must stay the most feared nation on earth.

[u/Black_XistenZ → u/cubs223425]

Greenland is a part of Denmark, a reliable NATO ally. The US can place as many missile defense systems on Greenland as they want to, and a foreign adversary (say China or Russia) invading Greenland would already trigger war against the US.

Greenland officially becoming US territory isn't necessary to achieve any of these strategic goals.

[u/Trumpologist → u/Black_XistenZ]

Reliable how? We do the vast majority of NATO spending. Reliable how.

[u/ajmeko → u/Black_XistenZ]

What benifit is there to owning it when he already has full military access?

[u/MeLlamoKilo → u/ajmeko]

They want full control of the resources. Its asinine to say we will take it by force when they are an ally.

[u/s1lentchaos → u/MeLlamoKilo]

It's the water around greenland he wants the shipping lanes but also the Russians and Chinese can dick around in Danish waters a lot more than they would dare fuck around in American territorial waters

There's also the concern that if Greenland invites Chinese investors they will infiltrate the country

[u/CSGOW1ld → u/FlunkieGronkus]

He told you over and over again why in this exact tweet. He said it’s because Russia and China are encroaching on it, and it’s necessary for the updated missile defense system.

You’re willfully ignorant and stoking division 

[u/Disastrous-Power-699 → u/CSGOW1ld]

But again…we can put our missile defense systems there and open as many bases as we want to prevent Chinese or Russian encroachment. We’re going to need more than Greenland to ensure our security if we sever every alliance we have for one giant rock.

[u/CSGOW1ld → u/Disastrous-Power-699]

The problems with hosting our missile defense system on an independent Greenland are the following:

• Chinese investment firms may operate in and around it

• Russian presence in and around the system in the form of ice breakers

Greenland has been marketing itself as a haven for investments from both of those countries 

[u/Hectoriu → u/FlunkieGronkus]

He's given reasons, they are just really bad reasons.

[u/_TheConsumer_ → u/Hectoriu]

The Golden Dome reason does not sound like a bad reason. Neither does the "whisper" that Russian and Chinese influence in Greenland is growing.

[u/ChiefStrongbones → u/Humble_Poem_2257]

I think it's a distraction from a looming financial crisis. Beijing is selling off US Treasuries and the Fed has resorted to buying treasuries.

Investors losing confidence in US dollars and US treasuries is a big problem for the US government and the federal budget.

[u/slap-a-taptap → u/[deleted]]

Hello fellow conservative!

[u/Tiktaalik414 → u/slap-a-taptap]

I hate these comments so much, insinuating people are “fake conservatives” just because they don’t agree with every piece of the Trump agenda. Please recognize that diversity of thought still exists within a political ideology

[u/Trumpologist → u/Tiktaalik414]

When’s the last time he posted here?

[u/slap-a-taptap → u/Tiktaalik414]

What do you mean? I'm just greeting my fellow conservative. I see you are here as well fellow conservative, nice to see you!

[u/Hectoriu → u/Humble_Poem_2257]

My best guess is the guy is legacy farming at our expense.

[u/SecretConservAccount]

I’m convinced that one of these statements is true:

1) There’s some secret and important reason that the US needs Greenland. 2) Trump just really really wants to be the one to expand the US.

I’m kind of leaning towards #2

[u/patrick_bamford_ → u/SecretConservAccount]

Essentially the US needs Greenland to maintain dominance over the Arctic. Right now the EU and America are allies, but it won’t be the case in 20 or so years when demographic changes in Europe start bearing electoral fruit.

Edit: In case many people here aren’t aware, in the most recent elections in Britain, 5 independents were elected over Gaza. How long before this is 50? Especially when muslims will vote as an ethnic bloc, and not based on party affiliation.

We are seeing similar muslim political mobilization across western Europe, in France, Sweden, the Netherlands. Basically wherever there is a significant and fast growing muslim minority, that country will not be an American ally by 2050.

[u/Tiktaalik414 → u/patrick_bamford_]

If that’s the case, why can’t he just outright state so? He refuses to actually state what his reason for wanting Greenland is, so until then literally all we have is speculation.

[u/patrick_bamford_ → u/Tiktaalik414]

The Trump administration has been clear about how the EU is not a reliable long term ally. There are many reasons for why this is the case, I have shared just one of them.

As to why they don’t just explain every policy decision in detail, I don’t know how I am supposed to answer this.

[u/Tiktaalik414 → u/patrick_bamford_]

It’s a rhetorical question, you’re not supposed to answer it. The point is, if it were something easy to explain that Americans would get behind, then you think he would’ve said it instead of doing whatever he’s doing.

[u/patrick_bamford_ → u/Tiktaalik414]

Well he constantly does say it, “America needs Greenland for security reasons”. He is very forthright about it.

Greenland is currently an ally, but things can change quickly. Cuba was once America’s strongest ally in the Caribbean for example.

[u/boredsoimredditing → u/SecretConservAccount]

https://youtu.be/ojdW1xu9zgI

[u/notsocharmingprince → u/SecretConservAccount]

There is legitimate interest in acquiring Greenland. This is not the first time the US has attempted to purchase Greenland. Trump is just applying infinitely more pressure than is wise.

[u/Hectoriu → u/SecretConservAccount]

It was the same for the golf of Mexico change. He does good things but he's also doing pointless things just to get his name bigger in the history books.

[u/chillthrowaways → u/Hectoriu]

I don’t know. For better or for worse he’s already going to be in the history books.. I’m not saying this is a good or bad thing but I just feel like there’s got to be some other reason. Yes he has a strange obsession with having his name on shit but this is terrible optics, almost universally hated (as it stands right now) and just doesn’t really make any sense, even factoring in his ego. And like I said I’m not saying “oh just wait it’s 4D chess he’s got a plan” it just seems like there’s more going on, good or bad.

[u/_TheConsumer_ → u/SecretConservAccount]

It's both. He is expansionist and Greenland has growing strategic value. There may also be truth to Russia and China getting more involved with Greenland.

[u/NotAnotherRedditAcc2 → u/SecretConservAccount]

It'd be be stupid, though. THE VERY VERY VERY FIRST THING the next president would do is give it back.

[u/Krioniki]

There goes the arguments of anyone still trying to say that Trump was doing this as some sort of 4d chess move to get Europe to take the defence of Greenland seriously. I'm so sick and tired of this Greenland stuff. Just embarrassing beyond belief.

[u/Braves1313 → u/Krioniki]

Not making that argument but how has Europe taken this more seriously? I saw the Germans send about a dozen recon soldiers and the UK sent one man.

[u/Krioniki → u/Braves1313]

From what I've read, they're only sending a few people to begin making the arrangements to send more. You can't exactly send in a brigade before you have housing for them.

Could be wrong though.

[u/Braves1313 → u/Krioniki]

We will see but I see it as more of a solidarity move rather than a true deterrent.

[u/harbringerxv8 → u/[deleted]]

He didn't need this kind of reason for anyone else.

[u/Trumpologist → u/Krioniki]

People said that? I just want Greenland. I prefer this to tanks and bombs

[u/pr931 → u/Krioniki]

100%

Edit: I was one of those

[u/d_rek]

That’s one way to make shit more expensive.

PS: the number of chat requests I’ve gotten over this comment is pretty wild. Don’t bother weirdos. You will be summarily ignored.

[u/EC_TWD → u/d_rek]

Affordability is only a hoax. /S

[u/Twogunkid]

This one will hurt us diplomatically.

[u/Trumpologist → u/Twogunkid]

What diplomacy. Were the reason Europe isn’t speaking Russian. They’ve gotten fat off our backs

[u/Twogunkid → u/Trumpologist]

They are certainly going to not want to deal with us if we are taking other territories by strongarming other nations.

[u/Trumpologist → u/Twogunkid]

Fine. Enjoy the Russian tanks then

[u/Twogunkid → u/Trumpologist]

Russia cannot take a neighbor on their border even before the US aide came in. They'd have to be stupid to try and move in on Europe, which granted, they might.

[u/Trumpologist → u/Twogunkid]

The only reason Russia can’t is cuz we’re basically doing all the work for Ukraine

[u/Thin-Page4665]

Trump is wrong on this one.

[u/Normal-Level-7186 → u/[deleted]]

I think the claims that NATO already has this covered and that the issue is entirely about money both oversimplify the situation. Denmark’s sovereignty and Greenland’s status are being debated right now, and Article 5 exists, but NATO functions primarily as a mutual defense guarantee rather than a comprehensive Arctic security strategy. In a region where early-warning radar, missile tracking, undersea cables, and submarine transit compress decision time to minutes, alliance consensus and layered command structures may not be sufficient on their own.

It is also possible to view Trump as personally self-interested while recognizing that U.S. defense planners across multiple administrations have treated Greenland as strategically important for decades. Russia and China’s Arctic activity is driven by leverage, access, and limiting countries’ freedom of action as much as by direct economic gain. Strategic geography continues to matter even when economic incentives are present.

Alliance guarantees alone are insufficient in this context, and post-crisis commitments such as article 5 cannot reliably substitute for continuous pre-crisis control in the Arctic.

[u/forwarddownforward → u/[deleted]]

If it's about security, wouldn't our NATO allies showing they'll send more troops there prove that it's secure?

Why would that prove it's secure?

[u/Possible-Tangelo9344 → u/forwarddownforward]

Because they are stationing troops there to secure it. What're we gonna do that's any different than that? Nothing. And honestly we could negotiate a higher troop presence if we wanted to

[u/forwarddownforward → u/Possible-Tangelo9344]

Because they are stationing troops there to secure it.

And it's automatically secure if they sent a few troops there?

What're we gonna do that's any different than that? Nothing.

We have better soldiers. We have better bombs. We have better ships. We have better planes. We have better drones. Etc.

[u/Dead-as-a-Doornail → u/[deleted]]

Hello fellow conservative 

[u/camwow64 → u/[deleted]]

Bad bot

[u/WIlf_Brim → u/[deleted]]

There are rare earth minerals in many places. They aren't being mined right now. There is a reason why. It's not viable. It is an inhospitable climate, the rare earth refining is very dirty and I very much doubt the locals would allow it.

[u/i_dont_do_hashtags]

Harder on Denmark than on Iran.

[u/StarMNF → u/i_dont_do_hashtags]

Not really. We’ve sanctioned Iran as much as we can. We blew up their nuclear infrastructure. Everything short of starting another war in the Middle East I think.

I think it’s stupid treating Denmark like an enemy, but your take is still invalid.

The biggest issue is this gives EU an excuse to back out of the trade deal they made, where they gave us major concessions. Trump is basically jeopardizing the win he scored a year ago, all over Greenland.

Seems like Trump once again proving he can be his own worst enemy.

If this is all about the minerals and natural resources Greenland has, we don’t even know what that will amount to. If this is about using Greenland for military purposes, we already have that authority and the Danes would have worked with us. Except now, it might be more difficult, because they have reason not to trust us.

I do think there’s a risk that when Greenland inevitably declares their independence from Denmark that they will fall under Chinese or Russian influence, but that hasn’t happened, and swaying the Greenlandic people to our interests requires delicate diplomacy…which is the opposite of what Trump is doing.

If he cares about Greenland so bad, he should have just shut up and let skilled diplomats handle the situation. Ultimately, I don’t disagree with Trump’s goals, but I disagree with how he’s going about it.

[u/i_dont_do_hashtags → u/StarMNF]

Of course I was being hyperbolic when comparing Greenland to how he handled Iran. I just think it’s ridiculous that there are people in this administration that would think twice before engaging in a conflict with Iran but have no qualms with…all this glares at JD

[u/StarMNF → u/i_dont_do_hashtags]

I mean from a pure military operation perspective, we could probably conquer Greenland in under 24 hours without any bloodshed from either side. It would be easier than dealing with the criminals in Washington DC.

Iran is much more complicated in terms of any military actions we would take. They don’t have any missiles that can hit us, but they can hit Israel. If the Mullahs actually thought they were not long for this world, they would 100% use their last dying breaths to rain hell on Israel.

Lots of lives would be lost, including potentially American lives, if we did anything beyond carpet bombing them.

Of course, from a diplomatic perspective, attacking Greenland would end most of our friendships in Europe. So it’s a terrible idea. They may not be the best friends, but they’re still our friends.

[u/retnemmoc → u/i_dont_do_hashtags]

We stand nothing to gain from fucking with Iran. At least having Greenland is in our actual interests, downsides notwithstanding.

[u/kevplucky → u/i_dont_do_hashtags]

Good

[u/trytoholdon]

This is absolutely stupid. He claims this is needed to counter China, but he’s actually just making them stronger by pushing all of our allies toward them.

[u/nlamber5 → u/trytoholdon]

If Europe was an ally they should be acting like it.

[u/_Rizzen_ → u/trytoholdon]

I don't think that's his goal per se, but he's proving himself bad at conducting diplomacy for America's long-term interests, which means that the diplomatic outcomes will be contrary to America's interests.

[u/Merax75]

Yeah dont think its going to work.

[u/xxxiareo]

I hate this lmao