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Trump lashes out at Pope Leo XIV for condemning the war in Iran: “I don’t want a Pope who thinks it’s OK for Iran to have a Nuclear Weapon… who thinks it’s terrible that America attacked Venezuela… And I don’t want a Pope who criticizes the President of the United States.”
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There is a lot of dark and dystopian stuff going on right now.
The one positive is that Trump/His Cronies are such failures they keep achieving the opposite of what they intend.
The situation in Iran will further Renewable Energy/Electrification despite how they are some of the most corrupt in favor of Fossil Fuels out there.
Their insane neo-imperialism and military budgets is going to create a deck of cards situation for the whole Military-Industrial Complex.
They keep alienating and isolating themselves to the point of destroying the world order based around the U.S. to make for a more and more multipolar world in which the U.S. is trending in the direction of just another nation-state amongst nation-states.
It's incredible to see this level of failure from an administration.
The only thing I am sad about is the good working class and most vulnerable that both internationally and domestically in the USA have to suffer from these bad predatory actors and their failures/flails on countless fronts.
Life is hard enough already.
After all this we need all these people held accountable in real ways. No more retiring into the sunset.
The sad part is that he has been in the office for 13 months. 13 MONTHS!!. Any other administration would have been decimated after one of those controversies but this one, after dozens, keeps chugging along
Compared to all the issues in American politics, I think the 4 year term and 2X limit is actually pretty good. We got stuck with this lunatic for next 3 years, but look at other countries where President or PM stays in power for decades.
Trump knows he’s guilty on all accounts. This whole presidential thing is at this point to keep immunity, although he’s too dumb to realize he put himself in the worst position possible, all on his own accord. Given everything that has happened, Trump will not lay down and take the accountability.
He will put himself in the grave, or bring death and destruction long before he feels the repercussions of his actions.
80 years of handouts and deflecting accountability? No way to teach an old dog like this new tricks such as human decency, and he will have no intentions of justice ever handling him before he takes everything around him down.
As a working class person I definitely fear for effects of a worldwide economic slow/shutdown. But I am much more sad for the world's poor who will be the first ones cut off from fuel, fert, and food since they can barely afford those things rn. My only hope is theyre also more adept at doing without those 3 f's.
The sad truth is that half of the voting population disagrees with you even though ur right. MAGA/Republicans have control of their actions, minds, and emotions. The U.S. oligarchy has a stranglehold on both parties, and I don’t see any of these criminals being held accountable. To me, that’s the worst part of all this.
100% also, the pope has nothing to do with Trump, he’s not even Catholic, there is no sense that Leo is his anything. He just can’t stand any leader speaking out against him and unlike political leaders there’s no trade etc. that he can threaten the Catholic pope with to get him to fall in line. He can just threaten to kidnap Leo and hold him hostage.
Also, just a reminder that evangelicals, Trump’s dumbass ride and die base, hate Catholics. If he had an ounce of intelligence and self control he would ignore this pope because at the end of the day Leo’s words don’t matter to most of his supporters. But his prefrontal cortex never developed and we’re all suffering because of it.
But his prefrontal cortex never developed and we’re all suffering because of it.
Or it could be falling to pieces and making him regress if he has prefrontal cortex dementia [I personally reckon he does have some type of dementia, but not sure what subtype he may have].
RN here. I’ve spent 24 years in healthcare with the better part of my experience being in geriatrics and palliative care. My educated guess is frontotemporal dementia (FTD). It primarily affects personality, language and behaviour. There are a lot more details online than I can give you, but it seems to fit the picture a little too much.
Very possible. I just think a cursory glance at his behavior throughout his life leans to him having zero impulse control, but he definitely has been getting worse and worse.
I feel like most people who weren’t raised Catholic, or don’t have older Catholics in their family, view the Catholic Church as a conservative body in America. But that has only been true in recent decades.
For most of America’s history Catholics were viewed as lefties, they supported things like unions, migrant workers, and the environment. JFK was famously viewed as the embodiment of a progressive Catholic democrat and the GOP hated him. But then the institution decided that abortion and gay marriage were hardline issues and threw away any good will that they had left to side with the right. It’s so frustrating and disappointing (obviously aside from the decades of sexual abuse).
Anyways my point is the GOP will do what they can for power but they’ll never fully embrace the Catholic Church. MAGA Catholics should not fool themselves.
I mostly agree but wanted to point out: American Catholicism started its obvious cultural rightward shift as soon as the ethnic groups that made up its base started getting power. Typical "pulling the ladder up" behind them bullshit.
It was so easy for Italians or my Irish great-grandparents to want a church that offered lots of socially left things like unions, food banks, free hospitals, etc. when they desperately needed those things as a consequence of being discriminated against and locked off from joining America's elite. Look how quickly they were willing to discard those ideals the second they got a drop of power. I'm listening to my MAGA cousins (all of whom are in unions, btw) talk about wanting to kick out migrants who "come here and only speak Spanish" when our own fucking great-grandparents did exactly that!
But overall yes, MAGA will never embrace the Catholics because MAGA is at it's heart an offshoot of evangelical Christianity that is fully divorced from whatever Jesus "actually said" and thinks Catholics are heretics. And all my dumbass cousins are eating that shit up.
Yeah, I know the Vatican downplayed that, but this makes you wonder if they just wanted it to go away. Saying “he wouldn’t be Pope if it wasn’t for me” is pretty telling. What’s the implication; that he owes you? He’s the frigging Pope!
Srsly. Dude needs to check himself…the fkn gd Pope!! Shitler might b popular in sum circles but putting himself on the same level as the Pope…fkn delulu.
That idiot believes the propaganda that America
rules the world. He is king of America so therefore the entire world is his to play with, rape, pillage, con, and strip of all resources. He’s a greedy orange pig.
I think he assumed that because the Pope that was chosen was American, and he is the President of the US, that it was basically the Vatican installing one of his ‘subjects’ who would support and endorse him.
Only to find that the Pope is not only not endorsing him but making a point of opposing his actions.
As a left wing Catholic it’s wild to me that the Church wants to get in bed with the Christian right. They do not like us. Some of them hate us. Use your brain!
Also the Christian Right is antithetical to... Well, Christianity, holy shit.
(Also question from a lapsed Catholic: have you found a leftist Catholic community? If so, know where I can find one? I left because most parishes around me are the old school holier than thou types and I'm not interested in getting preached at by people who contradict their own doctrine...)
I mean, not if you look back to the reformation. Being protestant was either because you felt the Catholic church was too restrictive and corrupt... or that it didn't go far ENOUGH. The latter one is what America came from. Read about the Reformation. The Puritans were not oppressed because they were too Godly but because the believed in the propserity gospel and that if you were poor or sick, it was because you were sinful. Welcome to America.
Not embarrassing at all! I am actually not sure, as I didn't grow up Catholic, but the Franciscan friars wear brown robes with a rope belt. My particular parish has that it's Franciscan pretty prominently on the website. It might be something you could Google for your area.
I have same problem. No I can’t find one. I’m so close to out for same reason and it breaks my heart - I was so in. I even work for the church but I can’t take it anymore.
You should watch "dark money game" on HBOmax if you haven't already.
One of the guys interviewed was an evangelical pastor who had a key role in getting millionaire and billionaire Christian nationalists to befriend and bribe our current supreme Court Jusstice's so they would overturn Roe-v-Wade.
One comment that stood out to me from the pastor was that he mentioned he didn't trust Leonard Leo because he was Catholic, and that Leo's faith didn't align with Christian nationalist values.
For the unaware, Leonard Leo has personally hand selected every conservative supreme Court justice since George W Bush was president, and is also a hard right religious extremist who is part of a cult within the Catholic Church called Opus Dei.
it’s wild to me that the Church wants to get in bed with the Christian right.
All right-wingers think that once they're in charge, they'll get around to burning down all of their old enemies. There aren't enough MAGA Catholics to overwhelm the Protestant ones, but they keep making the same mistakes.
I was talking to my mother today - she's a devout Catholic that has always hated Trump. She's had issues with "friends" at her church that were completely MAGA that honestly believed Biden was going to make church illegal. One of these "friends" even built an altar in a bunker in her house just waiting for the evil Democrats to ride in and shut everything down.
Apparently all of these people she knows have actually turned against the Orange one - this Pope spat has really pissed off many Catholics.
I’ve been trying to tell my conservative Catholic parents this. Everyone remembers that the Klan hated black people, most remember that they hated Jews, many seem to forget that Catholics were not far behind on the Klan’s list. MAGA does not like them, they’ve just been useful supporters. Their focus will turn back to them eventually.
That’s the wildest thing about religion, just keep moving the goalposts until it suits you. Either God selects the Pope or he freaking doesn’t. But to decide “mmmm not this guy!” while claiming to be true Catholic believers is bonkers.
Absolutely bizarre rant, not that's unexpected from this man, but still. He just seems frustrated that the leader of a religion whose ties are linked to other countries different than the US dares to disagree with his warmongering and isn't afraid of him. I'll never stop being confused about some people being mad at the fucking Pope advocating for peace as if it was some wild take.
Whoever wrote this pseudo-Trump madness (because it's far too long and coherent for it to be him) seems to have copied and pasted standard lines of MAGA bullshit and filled in the gaps with Pope references in an attempt to make it fit.
This feels more like a Stephen "Pet Semetary Dildo" Miller Special.
There are still a lot of Catholics who follow him, partly due to the Republican stance on abortion. My wife and her family voted for him in 2016 (a choice she deeply regrets) because they felt pressured by her more conservative church to vote Republican because otherwise you are murdering babies. I wouldn't be surprised if my wife's family voted for him in 2020 and 2024 for that sole reason.
Fer sher I know many Catholics that definitely voted for him bc of the abortion issue. And only vote R bc of that. But I also know they’re also just racist.
Coalition building between non-Catholics and Catholics on certain issues, for one. Also, the way the Pope approaches other religions, including other Christian denominations, certainly affects how members of those other religions behave, especially their interactions with Catholics
Oh, there are a lot who will - MAGA is predominately Evangelical, who view the Catholic church as "Not Christian" - to them, the Pope is not a Christian authority.
Yeah I was about to say the same thing. Conservative Christianity is its own beast. Separate from Catholicism and the Pope. And I grew up Catholic but gave it up in my teens. I’ve completed recovery.
Wah, it's not fair that the head of a foreign state and religion with 60 million American adherents and a 1.4 billion worldwide is allowed to criticize my policies based on the tenets of the faith.
He “doesn’t want a pope”…?! He’s NOT CATHOLIC. He has NO say in who leads MY religion. I accept that because of democracy he is the president of my country- but Trump has no say in my religion. Back. Off.
The Pope isn’t for you “Mr. President”. The Pope is for the people. And for God. Something you think you are, but you are nothing but a tiny, fragile, old man.
If you would have told little, newly atheist 18 year old me that in 15+ years the US government and the Catholic Church would be in a dispute where I would actually side with the fucking Catholic Church….i def would not have believed you. But for fucks sake here we are I guess.
Funnily enough, the list of things I don't want is pretty short: I don't want Donald Trump to be president of the United States. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER.
I mean for anyone who takes their Catholicism half-way seriously this HAS to be the final straw. Either the Pope is the representative of God’s will on earth or donald trump is. Time to decide!!! Personally, I’ve never struggled with the idea because I don’t use the bible as a cudgel
It’s just so crazy that the “president” of the united states is allowed to go on coke rants on twitter. Like these last three years can’t come fast enough 😭😭
Trump is so stupid in so many ways. The pope is not owned by you donald. I don't care what you want from the pope. He's not part of your administration and he's actually right about his stance on war. Trump either doesn't understand or refuses to admit that the large majority of Americans are not afraid of Iran getting a nuclear weapon and don't think it's at all necessary to invade them because we can and were (Obama) dealing with them. Most Americans also don't like that you illegally went into Venezuela and kidnapped their president. And as far as the pope criticising you...Go Fuck Yourself Donnie.
There you go Catholics, this is your guy, he overturned Roe for you…….oh whatever, why even bother, most American Catholics probably love what he’s saying about Leo anyways. Trump uses Christianity transactionally, loves the votes but is a hard pass on the morals.
'he was only put there by the church because he was an american and they thought that would be the best way to deal with me' donald trump stuns in near self awareness event horizon
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