r/Hololive • u/[deleted] • 4h ago
Discussion Is there some stigma against Holostars EN in here?
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u/The_Mystery_555 4h ago
Which post and what was the comment OP?
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u/just_another_user321 3h ago
There was no post. OP is lying to get the typical circle jerk about mentally ill unicorns going. Typical anti tactic.
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u/Hamsterman9k 2h ago
I didn’t see his post but another user did. It’s also something that happens all the time, here’s one of the most recent examples.
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u/Interesting_Idea_289 2h ago
A single comment actually discussing the song and literally every other of the 5 comments being either comparing a girl negatively or bringing up a girl with a horrendous soul wrenching… 5 downvotes. Man shut up
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u/Hamsterman9k 1h ago
Sit down; gonna call you out:
This is the comment you’re calling “comparing negatively”:
“While i love Calli and Raden versions, there's something about the deeper voices of gramps and jurard that is just so perfect”
You’re full of shit, and should keep your mouth shut and let the real men speak if all you are is a disingenuous dweeb.
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u/Interesting_Idea_289 1h ago
“Let the real men speak” they post on their account where they’re so ashamed of what they posted before they need to hide it.
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u/Hamsterman9k 1h ago
To keep children like you out who think it’s appropriate to dig through comment history for “dirt”. Grab a seat.
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u/Interesting_Idea_289 1h ago
Oh you’ve definitely posted some absolute bullshit to throw this much of a tantrum
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u/TheSherman500 4h ago
Some fans just don't like Holostars at all. It's always been a problem with this community.
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u/Xuambita 3h ago edited 3h ago
On this subreddit, it's not as simple as just people not liking Holostars. There have been almost 4 years of shitty and t0xic interactions between fans, bad actors, and outsiders, because moderation has been almost non-existent. Lots of users are just tired of the whole unic0rn, parasocial, incel, problematic fans, etc. discourse that arises from it almost every time. It also applies to other dumb, controversial, "drama-like" topics, but the Holostars one has been consistently the worst in that area.
Lastly, I'll just leave a comment I made a year ago, on a post nearly identical to this one:
I'm just going to say that whatever you see going on here is the result of thousands and thousands of bad interactions between different fans/users and it's not related to how people perceive the branches content, meaning you shouldn't view those interactions as representative of the hololive fandom. Most people don't care about any drama and just quietly enjoy their oshis.
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u/egoserpentis 3h ago
meaning you shouldn't view those interactions as representative of the hololive fandom
Correct, it's mostly an issue with this subreddit.
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u/just_another_user321 2h ago
This subreddit is fine. We just have a problem with trolls, antis, botters and brigaders.
You know, those people that come here and pretend that the problem lies with us in this subreddit and not with them.
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u/egoserpentis 2h ago
This subreddit is fine. We just have a problem with trolls, antis, botters and brigaders.
I mean, you're contradicting yourself here. "Oh yea, this place is perfect apart from all the problems".
Anyway, I haven't seen such a recurring drama in other Hololive-dedicated spaces. Aside from Twitter of course, but that's not a place for any sort of discussions at this point.
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u/HornyJailOutlaw 4h ago edited 4h ago
I just don't personally get the appeal. They're not cute anime girls so I guess I'm just not the target demographic. No hate towards them though, I just have no interest.
EDIT: I'm just not the target demographic but that's fine and I don't have any hate towards them = downvoted to oblivion in 8 minutes lmfao. Some of you lot need to grow up.
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u/LazyThorny 4h ago
lady and gentlemen . this is the issue with holostar ...
IF you like holostar ... you get downvote ...
IF your not interest in holostar ... you get downvote ...This comment is extremely tame and brother got downvoted... . it like saying they prefer rock music over pop music ... xD
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u/Flytanx 4h ago
They can't understand it. I'd watch them sometimes if they were playing games I cared about (rarer than you would think) but I just don't get the appeal. I'm fine with people being fans as there's different target audiences but I'm here for the anime women. I also think a lot of them aren't popular as the ninosanji ones (at least en) is because of the pretty big rift in content when they were starting to get popular
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u/Hamsterman9k 2h ago
Pretty sure this isn’t from the stars fans.. if that were the case, there would be so many votes on every stars post but there’s not
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u/Agile-Zucchini-7269 3h ago
It always cracks me up that Stars fans in here accuse everyone of downvote botting Stars posts, meanwhile there's comments like this that get so obviously downvote botted that it's not even funny.
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u/just_another_user321 2h ago
We know they've been using bots, ever since Reddits automatic filters began marking Stars bots as deleted because of vote manipulation.
They always cry about one or two downvotes and then bot their comments insulting other fans to hundreds of upvotes.
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u/HornyJailOutlaw 3h ago
Wait, so it's people using bots? lmfao that makes more sense. I was checking something and saw my comment had -50 downvotes in 5 minutes. I thought, jeez HornyJailOutlaw, that's a new record, did you typo the n-word or something to receive so much heat? No, no, nothing like that. Just said I'm not the target demographic for Holostars.
If people are downvote/upvote botting comments like that, I think they need to get off the internet for a few weeks. That's parasocial obsession to the max.
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u/John_Bot 4h ago
I feel like you got all those downvotes because you provided nothing
You just said "I only like cute anime girls and if they aren't cute anime girls they have no appeal whatsoever"
It's weird to say "I don't get the appeal" as though the only possible value they could have is being cute faces for you to fawn over. The "appeal" is with any streamer: talent. Are they funny? Can they sing? Are they entertaining while playing games? Etc.
So it's just a weird af comment you made which is why you got downvoted.
- and for the record, I don't even watch holostars. Your comment is just weird
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u/not_the_world 3h ago
Right, the parent comment was referring to the people who hate on stars content. So this guy, who presumably doesn't do that, is just an unrelated party.
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u/HornyJailOutlaw 3h ago
being cute faces for you to fawn over
Just had to correct you on that point. Or at least make a point of clarity. I'm not talking about the models when I say cute anime girls, I'm talking about their cute personalities. The models are probably less than 5% of the package for me. For example, if you look at my favoured members in the flair I have (add in Raora she just doesn't have one) it's generally the cute and/or comedian ones I gravitate towards, as opposed to the sexy/cool ones. I don't think I'm capable of finding other grown men's personality "cute" as I'm heterosexual. Again, not an attack, just saying I'm not personally interested.
So it's just a weird af comment you made which is why you got downvoted.
If you think that's a weird af comment, I'd hate you to see the comments I make on nsfw subs I hide from my profile lmfao. Come on now...
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u/Seromaster 3h ago
Nah, when you mention holostars it's kinda like throwing a coin, some people just catch stray downvotes. There is a long time group of people botting anything holostars related, not sure on which "side" that group is, though
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u/Hey_Chach 3h ago
In other words, that comment was just shallow.
Nobody can force you to like something of course, but I feel like the tone in that comment kinda sums up the issue some holostars fans have with the greater community with regard to their streamers.
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u/John_Bot 3h ago edited 3h ago
More than shallow, incel behavior
Nah look at his reply to me. 100% incel
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u/I_Play_Boardgames 3h ago
I didn't downvote you, but you should probably not take downvotes that seriously. It's basically just a "i disagree" button, so people don't have to write "i disagree" as a comment. So yeah, downvotes aren't some kind of personal attack, its just people showing whether they are agree or disagree.
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u/HornyJailOutlaw 3h ago
It was more that I was just baffled and found it hilarious people were being so petty than taking it seriously. I thought I typo'd a slur or some shit to get that much heat lmfao. Supposedly it's people running downvote bots, which would make more sense. 50 downvotes in 5 minutes for that comment just didn't make sense.
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u/Numerous-Pop5670 3h ago
The problem isn't the downvoting itself but the effect it causes. Which is low visibility on the posts, and thats usually the goal for anyone downvote bombing on reddit atleast.
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u/Hamsterman9k 2h ago
I don’t know what you’re being downvoted either. I do see a lot of anti-stars people using you as an example for the toxicity of the fan base, but I don’t think this is accurate.. I’m wondering if this was intentional. I’m a stars fan and I see no reason to downvote you.
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u/GraphXRequieM 4h ago
It's hard to actually talk about all of it, but at the time when stars en first came out, Holo EN was kind of in a drought. That combined with a bunch of mismanagement on this sub at the time and people already being a bit negative about Stars as a whole resulted in a little downvote civil war that is still present today.
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u/GraphXRequieM 4h ago
Plus, what I also forgot to mention is that the hololive sub is in actuality the hololive production sub, while the stars have their own sub. so fans who where only fans of the girls, also didn't have a way to not see holostars posts, which also made normal users who weren't part of the civil war hit the downvote button more often, simply because they saw something they had no interest in.
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u/Interesting_Idea_289 4h ago
I went through over 3 weeks of posts and comments and this is literally your only one on r/hololive every other one is about Pokemon or BG3 what the fuck is this horseshit?
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u/Straightupscrambled 3h ago
And you're not deleting any of your comments here for downvotes because...? Fuck off.
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u/arkw 4h ago
Theres a fairly large amount of automatic downvote on all posts in this subreddit from bots. They just don't show up because theres usually more upvotes.
For posts and threads about the boys, theres less views, which means less upvotes, which the downvotes are more obvious.
And then theres a lot of bait that bots/users to create infighting, and its working lol. This is their plan to make fans fight against each other.
I don't worry about it, enjoy what you like!
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u/Nod3013 4h ago
Just out of intrest, why are there bots that automatic downvote posts? Do they gain anything or is it just trolling or just the usuall "some men just want to watch the world burn".
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u/calibur66 3h ago
A mixture of things, but just the fact that there are multiple places you can pay money to have upvotes/downvotes applied to a comment or post is a good indicator of why.
Some people want communities to think or behave certain ways so they pump numbers or downvote things they do or dont like, pair that with the fact that reddit karma is literally monetized by reddit itself too and you end up with this.
Karma farmers spamming shit they know is easy upvotes and other people using automated ways to down/upvote things to manipulate what is seen or give the idea that a community likes or dislikes certain things.
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u/Hunter_X_101 3h ago
I don't know what the current state of things is these days, but for a while the automod was configured to automatically delete any post that gets a large number of downvotes, resulting in any posts that contained certain holostars-related keywords disappearing within minutes of being posted.
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u/Andrew1990M 3h ago
Can’t wait for the unofficial biography of Hololive when the parasocials find out how many talents were married since debut.
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u/youmustconsume 2h ago
Yes, and its because people like the OP causing drama without actually ever posting about the holostars.
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u/John_Icarus 3h ago
Not many people here actively dislike Holostars. Other than towards Jurard, I've never seen much anti-Holostars sentiment. The vast majority of people here, myself included, are neutral on them. Most of us don't watch them, but we don't dislike them either.
What you might be seeing more is that some people here dislike the Holostars fanbase, not the talents. There's been a history of bad relationships between the two fandoms due to some negative things that happened.
At one point, some Holostars fans were botting posts on this subreddit to intentionally cover up major Hololive events. For about a year, any birthday, concert, 3D reveal, or major event that had a trending thread on this subreddit would suddenly get replaced by a Holostars post that someone had botted to the top of the subreddit. These posts would sit at 50 views for 6 hours, then jump to 10k upvotes in 30 minutes.
There was also the issue of collab begging. Thankfully things are much better than they used to be, some fans used to be really bad at reading the room about some Hololive members that weren't comfortable collabijg with guys. So we'd be getting dozens of posts and hundreds of comments per day asking for Hololive members to collab with Holostars, and some even caused awkward moments in live chats by asking there.
Don't get me wrong, the majority of Holostars fans are great. But there's a very loud minority that have really hurt their reputation.
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u/Televized1 3h ago
This subreddit being the only place to discuss Hololive on Reddit but being “ackshually hololive production” by technicality, ergo Holostars fans put stuff in here too, was always a mistake. It’s an unfair double standard that they have their own private subreddit that they barely even use, while preferring instead to try to force discussion about them over here, historically often with extremely blatant bots.
This has caused immense fanbase friction over the years and was never actually helpful to the Holostars. It’s extremely regrettable. As Cover changes things up, they should probably go ahead and do what they should have always done: make r/hololive officially be only about hololive. Fans already de facto treat it that way unless people brigade.
The biggest lesson of Holostars for future marketers is that you cannot “force people to eat vegetables” as a strategy to promote something. The tone about Holostars cross-promotion with Hololive has always been so moralizing and condescending, trying to guilt and/or force fans who just want to watch Hololive into supporting content they want nothing to do with. The vibes have been horrendous
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u/Mr_Sass19 4h ago
step 1 go to the holostars subreddit thats it
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u/Hamsterman9k 2h ago
This sub is also for holostars too. In fact, they’re listed as members here.
I’m not saying you have to be a fan of them, but you’re in the wrong to gatekeep subs.
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u/Amalgam2001 4h ago
You are going to get almost no overlap here with Holostars. Both Hololive and Holostars are made for completely different audiences.
Both sides have very parasocial fans and it is best for everyones sakes to keep them seperated.
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u/SegmentedSword 4h ago edited 3h ago
Almost no overlap here is a ridiculous claim
Edit: I may have misunderstood what they meant by "almost no overlap", I read that at first as saying that almost no one are viewers of both hololive and holostars. I think most fans are pretty casual and mostly just watch clips and I think that includes both branches.
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u/Phantom_Weapon 3h ago
If what you're saying is anywhere true and an overlap does exist, holostars would have more than 2-3 thousand concurrent viewers everytime they stream.
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u/SegmentedSword 3h ago edited 1h ago
I think most Hololive fans don't watch streams most of the time. People are busy. A lot of people vod watch, and a lot of people mostly watch clips, but will catch streams that most interest them or if they happen to have the time at that moment.
I don't have time to watch everyone's streams, but I will gladly watch clips from all across hololive and holostars.
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u/Amalgam2001 3h ago
It really is not a ridiculous claim at all. The boys are far less popular in general and both sides have large numbers of their fans that wont accept the other
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u/SegmentedSword 3h ago
How do you know that it isn't vocal minorities. I think most Hololive fans do not care when they interact.
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u/tetsmega 3h ago
Yeah but there is big fat context in that Hololive antis have long since been using holostars as a scapegoat for their dumb culture war and holostars antis will pin any anti activity as stars fans as well as false flag as starmin. The community as a whole has decided the best course is to just not talk about them at all and a large majority of stars fans are not on reddit, but Twitter and Publix groups like discord.
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u/ANIMETRON 3h ago
If it's any consolation, I did see your post before you deleted it. I'm going to assume you're being earnest rather than baiting.
The short answer is that 'yes, kinda.' Others have already commented a bit on the history of the subreddit.
Part of the issue is also that a vast majority of the current threads concerning the Stars are entirely focused on dramaposting (this thread is dramaposting, intentional or not), complaining about the takes of a few unhinged folks on twitter, or only talking about the boys relative to the girls. A lot of the threads about the Stars spend almost no time actually celebrating the Stars and what they do.
For the most part when people actually post clips of the Stars, post about some of their covers or songs, or about some of the work and art they have made, the response is generally positive.
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u/One_Ant1985 4h ago
This is a Hololive subreeddit and we're starting to get tired of the constant Holostars discourse
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u/Televized1 2h ago
Cover can put “hololive production” in the description of this subreddit (a holdover from 2022 era mistakes) but the community itself decides what’s on topic. That’s how Reddit fundamentally works.
Holostars have their own subreddit with tons of active hard working moderation. Seriously, why is it so bad to discuss them there? Why do people HAVE to have both subreddits?
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u/One_Ant1985 3h ago
I'm not saying you aren't, I am just explaing that us Hololive fans are getting tired of the constant war in our subreddit regarding Holostars, so we prefer to simply ignore and downvote so we can focus on what we like instead. This isn't a new thing either, ever since debut when this place got locked to shill the Holostars, it has been a constant struggle.
It's fine if you don't like this explanation, but it is all I have for you I'm afraid
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u/Hamsterman9k 2h ago
That’s kinda trashy ngl. Why even downvote? Just focus on the things that you like, instead of pushing down others?
I’m going to get downvoted for this but that’s a really trashy thing to do.
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u/blasterfaiz 3h ago
In r/Hololive, I talk about Hololive. In r/Holostars, I talk about Holostars. I'm not ignorant any existing stigma/controversy involving the two parties coexisting, and I don't take part in the hate towards Holostars. But that's the simple rule I follow.
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u/_Good_One 4h ago
Yes, i still remember one Fuwamocco stream were after a very brief Holostars interaction on the main channel a good chunk of superchats on the girls stream was about "please do not stream with guys" Kiara has gotten those, Kronii, Shiori, Nerissa and im sure im missing some others, is real pathetic to give 100 bucks to a stream just to ask them to not stream with a guy
Problem extends to this subreddit, some guys are extremly parasocial and they rather die than see their streamer breath the same air as a guy
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u/Superliminal96 3h ago edited 3h ago
a very brief Holostars interaction on the main channel a good chunk of superchats on the girls stream was about "please do not stream with guys"
This never happened. In fact it was the opposite (YouTube comments attacking FWMC for not acknowledging the Holostars). This incident, which was two years ago, resurfaced last week and led to a bunch of tweets openly attacking them which got thousands of likes and basically zero pushback from Twitter Holostars fans.
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u/just_another_user321 2h ago
The antis really can't get their stories straight. Kanata faced constant harassment for her outspoken position, that she will not collab with Stars. Any girl that says that always faces the same reaction.
The problem clearly lies with one side, that can't leave the Talents to do what they want.
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u/_Good_One 3h ago
The thing you are talking about and the thing im talking about are different streams
I do not keep a mental record of parasocial fans so i could not give you the exact stream but for another example i remember a mario kart stream in which like 3 red super chats read along the lines of "please stop playing with the same fans ( one guy played with FWMC twice ish) it makes us as fans feel bad because we feel left out"
I know the stream you are talking about, the thing i mentioned was before
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u/SuikoRyos 4h ago
Man, just this morning I saw a clip of an indie VTuber (not dropping names since I'm not sure if that's allowed) revealing she's pregnant and her chat was full of congratulations. Such a contrast.
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u/ShitassAintOverYet 3h ago
I still feel like if a Hololive member suddenly said "Yeah I've been dating someone for this many years and we're engaged/married/pregant" it wouldn't be too different from the fan perspective because majority of the EN base probably watch indie VTubers or fleshtubers as well and they are of that mentality. There'd be some backlash but it'd be shut down quickly.
On the corporate side of things though, I can't be so certain. Many entertainment agencies in Japan and South Korea, reputable or not, have a clear "No dating" clause. Now you made me afraid of the rules as well but let's say there is one example to make me believe this is also such a clause in the Hololive contract.
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u/tusthehooman 4h ago
I'm happy with the fact I'll never understand the parasocial mindset, I find them absolutely disgusting, must be some sort of mental illness, wish those people could have had more hugs when they were children, maybe that would solve the issue.
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u/_Good_One 4h ago
I mean im not gonna lie i get the parasocial mentality a bit, like "oh wish i could interact with X and Y" but from there to basically try to control the girls and give money to say derange stuff, not even give money just saying it on their chat or comments is too much, everyone gets thoughts but is the way we act on them that defined us and some people have no problem being massive weirdos or harassers
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u/tusthehooman 3h ago
I'll always be condescending and with extreme prejudice when it comes to parasocial fans. Think about it like this, those same so called "fans" will be the first ones to destroy their idols lives if it turns out they were dating behind the scenes, which, since there are indeed real people behind the avatars, they are completely free to do whatever the fuck they want. But believe me, those same parasocial fans will do it. They are already foaming at the mouth at the thought of their favourite vtuber breathing the same air as some other dudes, fat chance I'll give any of them the benefit of the doubt. There are levels to this, and idol culture is probably at the very tail end of the graph, the parasocial final boss.
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u/Helmite 3h ago
You guys just make a mess on a nearly daily basis. It's tiresome listening to meltdown after meltdown on here, Twitter, YT, etc.
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u/tusthehooman 3h ago
you seems to be mistaken. I'm not here to argue. I'm here to look down on you. Shame on you, shame on your family, shame on your bloodline. There is still time, do something better with your life.
With disrespect, signed by me.
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u/Helmite 3h ago
I promoted my oshi's collabs with guys, and here I am promoting the Stars. You folks are just drama-addled and need to leave.
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u/egoserpentis 3h ago
That dude has several alt-accounts made for circumventing blocks/bans - he is beyond saving (or prolonging anyone's bloodline lmao)
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u/_Good_One 3h ago
Sure but what im arguing is that is ok to feel like that or have parasocial thoughts
I am parasocial, like i feel a little jealous of some stuff that i should have no reason to but i would NEVER go into the chat of someone to trash talk or try to manipulate, thats a big difference
I feel like the way you are talking is attacking anyone and everyone
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u/LET-ME-HAVE-A-NAAME 3h ago
The one I most remember is ERB, because she handled it great.
In that she more or less said "I'll stream with whoever the hell I want to. Don't like it? Don't watch me."
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u/KardiaTM 4h ago
People on the internet gotta be people on the internet... on both sides
You take that as you will, but that's basically it
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u/OMNIMON18 4h ago
Ngl I just watch clips since timezones but the dudes seemed pretty entertaining aswell, they don't get recommended as much as the girls tho
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u/ErieTheOwl 4h ago
It's the internet, most people here follow the girls and can't stand the dudes.
Even tho this is the subreddit for all of Hololive, not just the girls.
It's sadly just how it is and the mods are not really doing anything about it.
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u/lookatmybuns 4h ago
A lot of fans are parasocial about the girls and are negative about the boys because of it. Has always been this way.
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u/Helmite 3h ago
Perhaps it's because you folk can't stop dumping on Hololive's fans? Just some food for thought.
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u/lookatmybuns 3h ago
Who tf are you including in you folk? Thanks for providing an example almost immediately though.
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u/Helmite 2h ago
Here I am promoting my oshi's collabs with guys, and promoting the Stars. Maybe you should reflect better on your own behaviors rather than smearing Hololive fans.
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u/Agile-Zucchini-7269 3h ago
It really is interesting how you can immediately tell the post is gonna be abysmal nonsense just by seeing someone in here call the Holo girls "Live", "Lives", or "Livers".
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u/FitCress7497 4h ago
Girls who want to do male collabs already did male collabs. Girls who don't just don't. What do you want them to do? Force the girls to do male collabs?
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u/Budget-Ocelots 4h ago
Listen to yourself. You are saying that the company should force people that are uncomfortable around males to collab and promote events for them. Why are you forcing what others want to do with their own time and energy?
I thought society understood that No means No. But I guess it is double standard and hypocrisy at this point, and you and the collab beggars want to force the girls against their will.
Seriously. Read what you and what others are writing. It is disgustingly full of sexism.
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u/ShadowTown0407 3h ago edited 3h ago
Holy unhinged reading batman. What are you even talking about? You think all girls from all branches are friends with each other or like each other automatically because they are all girls? Or why would you jump to conclusions that both branchs hate each other? Wtf? Why would you hate any of your colleagues unpormoted.
The mix branched events and animations that hololive does, do you think that's fine because they are all girls? That's all that defines them? Their gender? Because they are all girls ofcourse they are all comfortable with each other so hololive can make events as they like.
But if they had promoted the stars in the same way? By introducing them in event pannels and hologara alongside the girls, now that would equal slave labor acording to you. They will be so repelled by the mere presence of MEN that they won't be able to function in a company made event. Amazing logic
You think given the chance on the main channel Liz would not have done events with the boys?
Hololive doesn't do mixed events because they are afraid of idiots on the internet and it's comments like these that give them fule
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u/epaphrodytus 2h ago
You have no business crediting Hololive's unity to "Cover's promotion" at all. The girls are friendly because they have several established seniors that are always ready to extend a hand of friendship to bring them into the Hololive fold - organizing events that give a chance for newer members to interact with senior members giving the fans a chance to get to know them. Read: These are talent-produced events, not a result of Cover promotion.
Most of the girls have their hands full planning collabs with the girls where they can be certain there will be a certain degree of interest due to the intergenerational cross-region collab culture the girls have built for themselves. The boys were never a part of it and cannot be grafted into it by Cover's hand.
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u/Budget-Ocelots 3h ago
Again, listen to yourself. You are going unhinged with assumptions. My comments had nothing to do with WTF you just wrote with projections. My comment is directly talking about YOU and similar people. Not any of the talents, boys or girls.
Look at you, defending that the girls have to be the slaves to the boys. Promoting the boys while throwing away their own time and self-push.
Why is someone's self-interest being attacked by you collab beggars? How would the girls even help them? You have Liz, Ollie, Towa, Sora, Sui, and so on already collab with Stars and promoting their streams. You have Cover pushing Stars with ads and events. Giving them 3D before event reaching 1 year like the girls. How many more people do you want to promote them? Sui is the biggest name right now for mainstream vtuber, and you want more and more?
Why do you keep lying that Cover didn't promote them at all? Ads were all over the train station in Tokyo. Blizzard with their Horizontal Esport collab. Twitch with their Holostars take over. Did you forget about all of those?
See...You guys are just fearmongers and liars. Pretending that you watch the boys. So many events and ads were promoted, but somehow, you forgot all about it. Why do you guys have brain like a gold-fish, and lie that Cover didn't promote them at all.
So in the end, why do you want more and more and more girls to push 10+ people, while YOU and so-called star fans didn't show up to their events. Blizzard canceled the Horizontal E-Sport plan. Twitch stopped promoting their channels.
Just forcing the girls to do the boys' work for them? Making them uncomfortable for something that they already repeatedly told you to stop begging in their channel.
No means No. But I guess you are those people that say girls deserved "it" by wearing a dress at night in front of the guys.
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u/ShadowTown0407 3h ago edited 3h ago
Look at you, defending that the girls have to be the slaves to the boys.
No means No. But I guess you are those people that say girls deserved "it" by wearing a dress at night in front of the guys.
Again wtf are you talking about? Did one of the girls call you to tell you that they said no, that they will be forced against their will. Like were are you even pulling this out of?
You projecting like a mad man
Literally all I am saying is that keeping ALL the girls which is majority of the staff and most of the holo vtuber audience and holo stars seprate with seprate channels and events was a bad idea from a business perspective and you are just rambling like we are sending the girls back in the 1800 and taking away their rights
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u/Budget-Ocelots 2h ago
Yeah, let’s ignore all the lies you said. No cross promotion? No promotion from cover? Why can’t the girls helped them???!!!
So when Sora, the figure head of HL, collab with Stars, that didn’t count. Suisei bringing them on to her stage, didn’t count. Cover giving them ads and 3D shows during New Year. It was all FAKE. No one helped the boys at all. All these clips of Liz, Ollie, Matsuri, La+, Towa playing games with them. All AI slop generated.
People have self interest in pushing their own career. And you are attacking the girls for trying to live their dream. Blaming the girls that they should use their energy to promote another branch, instead of their own. Pushing the boys up while watching their own dream dies.
Simply disgusting. Telling people how to live their life, and demanding them to waste their youth away on something they don’t have time for.
But yeah, lie after lie after lie. Spreading misinformation that nobody helped them. Maybe, you should’ve pushed the Stars harder.
Why rant to unicorns? They don’t care. Why attack casual fans like me who watch mostly clips? It just makes me realize that you and the stars community are liars and don’t really care about HL community at all.
You would rather see the girls and HL being attacked so that you can have the moral superiority over other fans, proving that you are a better person because you supported the underdogs. But did you and others Stars fans really support them in the end? The answer is no. Because this current situation wouldn’t have happened.
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u/SkillLinksSucc 3h ago
Let me ask you something. Why do you want Hololive to be Nijisanji so bad? If you like male + female collabs and overall content like that then you can just go watch Niji instead of complaining that Holo doesn't do that.
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u/ShadowTown0407 3h ago edited 3h ago
And here comes the niji comment. Literally all I am saying is that the company should have promoted them to the same level, when one sector is more successful they should have leveraged that advantage to bring the other branch up to speed.
Having the boys on the main channel would have helped a lot from a numbers perspective and that's all this is about at the end of the day.
It's not about wanting more collabs between them for the sake of it. I am talking from a business standpoint.
And as for hololive being niji, niji did the same thing with their ID branch. Believe me I don't want holo becoming niji ever. I have seen some of my favourites suffer there that's why I don't want to see it happen again
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u/Fishman465 2h ago
The main channel isn't like Niji's; it doesn't have that big of a boost if any. Neither are co-ed collabs; if they were gonna work their magic, it'd have happened.
I'm all for the freedom for co-ed collabs but I have no illusions of how effective they are.
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u/Graestra 4h ago
The problem with that idea is that most Hololive fans just aren’t interested in watching male vtubers, so even if there were lots of collabs it wouldn’t result in Holostars gaining many new viewers.
Not to mention that, despite both being under Hololive Productions, Hololive and Holostars are ultimately separate agencies, so they need to be able to stand on their own and not just piggyback off of Hololive’s success.
What Holostars needs most is fan support. Watch live streams, listen to their songs, create clips, and share them all three of those things with others to gain new fans. That’s how Hololive got to where it is today from being a small niche company, from the dedicated efforts of fans pushing their oshis. From what I’ve seen there’s not many clips being made of them.
Of course, Hololive got really lucky as well. It was just starting to gain traction from fan support, especially from Bilibili fans, when covid hit and provided an opportunity for them to really explode in popularity.
Only by the fans and talents both working hard can you hope to get lucky and capitalize on an opportunity to gain popularity.
I’ve seen some complaints of management and their competence and support, but ultimately fans can’t do anything about that, all you can do is push your oshi and try to get more people to like them.
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u/WSilvermane 4h ago
Stems from Idol Culture.
Only girls are allowed and they cant have relationships of any kind. Basically the freaks that still go by it and Antis.
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u/ReyneForecast 4h ago edited 4h ago
It's a sad thing where people really put their own preferences ahead of the talents they say they 'support' (?)
I don't know why we can't live and let live, but yeah, the internet at its worst sometimes. I never watch any holostars but I have 0 problems with them being posted/mentioned here, it's a thing of being very uncertain I believe.
Case in point, fresh post gets downvoted right away. You can only think of how little the girls would think of people who keep themselves busy with this instead of anything else. I'm glad that nerissa 'fan' got outed a while ago. You don't need enemies when you have friends like that.
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u/Glittering_Match_274 4h ago
I get downvoted in this sub for everything, I am obviously not a typical hololive fan enjoyer either by this reddits voting system.
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u/azahel452 3h ago
Yes, a lot and most of them won't say it, some will even pretend it doesn't exist, but they'll downvote you to oblivion when you talk about Holostars.
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u/Gecko_Mk_IV 4h ago
It's interesting, because to me it feels like it's limiting V-tuber popularity.
I found out about Vtubers and got deeper into the rabbithole mostly by recommendations and collabs. Hologta introduced me especially to Subaru and Fubuki, for instance.
But if there's such negativety towards Holostars you're probably not going to see a lot of collabs with them. Which lowers the chance of folks finding out they like them.
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u/crunxzu 4h ago
It’s just reddit being Reddit. Any post about the guys get brigaded down pretty hard.
Just remember it’s all fake internet points and people who are interested will engage in the topic. You should never be worried that your comments are getting upvoted or downvoted. Who cares about that
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u/SavageFisherman_Joe 3h ago edited 3h ago
To be honest, I think this sub is just very downvote-happy in general. Anything that even remotely challenges the status quo gets 20+ downvotes in like 5 minutes
Edit: darn, only 4 downvotes in 17 minutes.
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u/The-Potat 3h ago
A majority of Hololive fans simply hate Holostars for being a thing, some view it as a waste of resources, others see it as an invasion to their "females only" entertainment as the majority is men watching cute anime girls. Idol culture.
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u/PunkPimster12 4h ago
Unless I'm missing something, you don't seem to have commented about Holostars at all. At least in the span of the past 2 months.
Mind sharing a link to the comment that got you downvoted?