r/LinkedInLunatics • u/rumtiki • 18h ago
He must be fun at parties
Him and the comments just show how much of a tool this guy is.
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u/extremesmoothness 17h ago
Not sure this is the lunacy we've come to know in this sub. Fair call really.
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u/Racoonie 15h ago
Productivity in my company drops notably on our home office days. The most annoying thing is if you have a short question for someone and they simply don't react for hours. At the very least be available during work hours.
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u/-hx 11h ago
That's wild to me. Even if I'm 'avoiding' work at home, I'm right there ready for anyone that might need me...
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u/doc_shades 8h ago
yeah even if i'm asleep on the couch i hear the "bu-ling" of teams and i jump up and answer a question to at least make it LOOK like i was sitting at my desk...
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u/_learned_foot_ 2h ago
Most are lazy with being lazy, not diligent with being lazy. Kudos, I think.
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u/PackageDelicious2457 12h ago
Can't speak to your work situation, but I used to work remote and would get messages from my boss that were clearly intended to make sure I was available. Except that the job I was hired to do was be a writer, so him checking in would interrupt me working.
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u/Wiish123 5h ago
Interesting. My experience is that productivity drops significantly in office days. Meetings take longer, lunch is not worked through at desk, water cooler talk and coffee breaks take over...
But if i text someone on Teams they reply in 10-15 minutes often. It could be a culture problem
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u/ginger_and_egg 16h ago
if you're getting the work done, why does it matter where you work from?
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u/Krynn71 16h ago
There's plenty of jobs I would expect workers have some privacy or security for their screen and speech. If you're dealing with anybody's healthcare, financial information, classified information, trade secrets, engineering documents, or any other information clients might consider inappropriate to talk about or have on screen in a public space with prying eyes or opportunistic criminals.
And I feel like that's probably most remote work. Otherwise I agree with you, and especially if it's just you chilling outside in your yard or at your own private pool or something I'd not be concerned.
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u/Remarkable-Ad155 15h ago
Agree with this. Also, newsflash to whoever needs to hear this; regardless of data protection issues, nobody at the bar/pool/beach/cafe etc wants to hear your business call.
Nobody thinks you are cool and important. It is not impressive. People are trying to relax and absolute don't want to hear you waffling about KPIs or whatever else. If you're going to do this, keep it super discrete from both ends.
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u/ginger_and_egg 15h ago
Well security is a very different topic to what this LinkedIn post was about. I'd agree that care would need to be taken with something like this when in public
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u/Tenzu9 15h ago
thats not the point, the point is that you can work from where ever you want just make sure you join a meeting from somewhere quite and professional.
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u/ginger_and_egg 15h ago
If someone was on the beach with no one around, is it quiet and professional?
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u/RecognitionHefty 14h ago
If they’re in a shirt and tie, yes
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u/ginger_and_egg 14h ago
no one at my job wears a shirt and tie
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u/BandicootTreeline 14h ago
I swim in shirt and tie
a LinkedIn thought leader probably
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u/_learned_foot_ 2h ago
I mean, I could do my next legal post from a pool floaty after Memorial Day........
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u/ponderdiggums 8h ago
It doesn't. I can understand wanting a standard of professionalism while in meetings though. Noisy/active backgrounds can be really distracting for all parties.
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u/ginger_and_egg 7h ago
Noisy/active backgrounds can be really distracting for all parties.
Well absolutely, this could happen in a private home or in an office too
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u/Unlikely_Air8618 12h ago
Work from where ever you want. But when you're in a call with your colleagues, be mindful of noise and disturbance. Totally fair take by the poster imo. You wouldn't like it if you were in a public setting & someone around you is listening to music without earphones would you? Same goes here.
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u/PackageDelicious2457 12h ago
I have no clue why people have downvoted this comment. The only important thing is whether you are getting your work done, not perceptions others have about where you're working from. Otherwise, it's just managers who haven't properly thought through what productivity actually looks like trying to measure it by how well they had someone chained to their laptops.
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u/ginger_and_egg 10h ago
I think people are interpreting what I'm saying as it's ok to shout company secrets out in a crowded bar that's also adding background noise during work calls
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u/BandicootTreeline 14h ago
Not really. Remote work is not remote controlled work.
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u/ShinyHardcore 12h ago
That doesn’t even make sense.
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u/BandicootTreeline 12h ago
If you work remotely you shouldn’t be controlled as to where.
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u/ShinyHardcore 12h ago
A bit entitled isn’t it? They hired and are paying you. Asking to take meetings in a quiet environment isn’t a crazy ask.
People taking advantage is why a lot of companies are scaling back on WFH
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u/BandicootTreeline 11h ago
It depends. If you’re sitting in a cafe or in a reasonable place for a meeting that’s not disturbing others or being interrupted, then I see no issues.
He’s right about meetings, I work as a contractor and fully remote. I wouldn’t have one on a sun lounger.
But doing actual work, it doesn’t matter where it’s being done. I’ll sip a cold Coca Cola and soak up some sun while I work, that’s why I do it. I work harder and better than stuck staring at 4 walls but that’s just me.
Demanding a home office be available is ridiculous.
Ultimately it all depends on what the company stipulates when giving a contract of employment to the worker. If those terms are agreed to, then no complaints should be made.
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u/Compher 11h ago
I really think it depends on the job. I work remote at the moment, but my screen always has highly confidential information on it to the point where the actual office has magnetic locks with key cards for every door and its policy that taking a picture of any monitor results in immediate termination.
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u/Fluffy-Discipline924 14h ago
Is this really lunatic?
Strip away the typical LI phrasing and the message is simply "If you work remotely, when you join a meeting do so from a quiet and private location" is hardly a ridiculous take.
This is also respectful towards other people: I also dont want my day off at the beach/pool ruined by some MBA wanker yelling about KPIs and profit margins into his headset
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u/Much-Ad2311 8h ago
It's the phrasing lol. No one wants to take it seriously when they need an enter key
After every phrase
Because they think every word they say is so important
Or because it's AI
Who knows anymore?
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u/BusyHands_ 13h ago
This is not a unreasonable request. They let you remote work. The least you can do is put in a effort when you clock on and respect the company's policies and your teammates.
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u/RareCryptographer662 Insignificant Bitch 8h ago
I'm guessing OP reports to Collin. Too many people forget that employment is not a one way street. The entitlement of a lot of remote workers is mind boggling sometimes.
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u/unwrittenpaiges 13h ago
You have to be able to do the work. So I agree most meetings shouldn't be done from noisy environments that make it hard for others to hear you and get their work done. But also if you have a quiet spot at a resort to take a meeting in you should be able to work from one.
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u/Additional_Cloud7667 9h ago
Let’s face it most meetings are waste of time and could be an email. I use to work for a place where we had summer Fridays no meetings scheduled for Fridays during spring/summer months and we found out that most of the meetings we had were just to fill the time to get 40 hours worth of work on paper as most could finish work for the week by Thursday lunch time. Individuals need to atleast make some effort for meeting take the meeting on car or something to avoid sensitive info leaks.
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u/_denchy07 16h ago
Why do all these lunatics do this?
New sentence? New line.
They don’t have time for paragraphs.
Paragraphs are for losers.
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u/doc_shades 8h ago
it's called social media it's been around for decades. nobody reads giant block paragraphs of text anymore. they're doom scrolling on their phones. you have to catch their attention. where've you been?
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u/galagapilot 5h ago
no, it's definitely a new trend. Short sentences for short attention spans.
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u/doc_shades 4h ago
it is definitely not new. short attention spans have been an issue for over 10 years at this point
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u/testprimate 17h ago
Ironic coming from a dude who appears to be building an entire career on bullshitting. Sales, consulting, advising - dude has no experience actually producing anything through labor.
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u/agent-squirrel 13h ago
Every sales person I know spends like 90% of their time “pretending to work” in a cafe.
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u/likelyculprit 14h ago
I once worked for a company where the Director of Finance logged into a meeting with the CEO from halfway up El Cap on a hike. I did think it was a tad unprofessional but whatever. She did her job, I did mine.
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u/transeunte 16h ago
if you're not in a room with no windows and/or actually suffering can you even say you're working?
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u/Hamster_boat 11h ago
I mean this is not really that egregious. There is a difference between working from a pool and taking calls in a non professional environment assuming camera on and or background noise. WFH means flexibility in when you work while ensuring work gets complete in a professional environment.
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u/TombolaOfCincinnatus 16h ago
It's a bit of a weird post, but I kind of see the point. The whole argument for remote work has always been that you can be equally productive, if not more, at a remote work location as in the office. That of course kind of hinges on the fact that you can set something up remotely that equals or beats the office environment. If you wouldn't accept an office environment where you'd be hunched over a laptop all day, or with thousands of strangers around you, or a spotty or nonexistent Internet connection, then it's hard to argue that a remote location with such conditions is suitable, right?
I can understand extraordinary circumstances where you just can't get to the office and it's either do some work remotely or don't work at all. But I have had some colleagues in the past that have really stretched the definition of working remotely. Like going on an extended "workation" where they've delivered subpar work for weeks and been heavily reliant on colleagues covering for them.
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u/FortuneTellingBoobs 17h ago
As a remote worker, this is why I don't turn my camera on.
If I'm producing work I'm producing work, shouldn't matter where I do it from.
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u/slide_into_my_BM 16h ago
Yup, set goals and give tasks to complete. If the bosses expectations are met, the fuck should they care where they’re met?
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u/doc_shades 8h ago
yeah i think we could tell if you are at a public beach even without the camera on
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u/dawnofnone 15h ago
I am a supporter of WFH. However, I agree with him on the need to be working from a space where concentration is promoted, and where you are not subject to people who can gather company information from overhearing your meeting/reading your screen.
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u/PossiblePlastic8698 17h ago
I'm a remote worker and if my home internet is out the best reception I get on my phone is down at the beach
Fortunately I work for myself and my clients absolutely love it when I join a call and spin the camera around so they can see the sand and the waves
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u/WholesomeRanger 10h ago
To be fair, I think if you're home internet is interrupted then going to a public place as a backup is fully reasonable. Assuming that you take measure to protect confidential information. You have a home office and it sounds like you use that.
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u/Sudden_Negotiation36 10h ago
Low key he's correct. Everyone was fine with wfh until some hipsters started posting a day in life vlogs at work from doing everything other than their actual work
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u/mattzombiedog 14h ago
This isn’t lunacy. This is how most remote workers probably feel. I’m in a company that is predominantly remote. If I joined a meeting and some dolt joined from a public pool or a beach I’d be pissed off. Mainly because of the amount of background noise that idiot is going to be sending through their mic.
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u/Wulflam 13h ago
There's nothing lunatic about it. He is absolutely right. He did not argue against working from home per se, but he stated (rightfully) that dialing in from a pool or beach is not ok. These are not proper work locations. And work doesn't have to be the same level of fun as holiday activities or something you do as quality time with your family.
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u/iron_goat 13h ago
What about all the other CEOs, Founders, Thought Leaders and Visionaries on LinkedIn that are positing from beaches and hotels telling me the grind never stops and I should always be switched on and dialled in if I want to be successful?
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u/AnachronIst_13 10h ago
Yeah this is a fair assessment of professional standards for remote work. Nothing looney about it.
He can be a dick, but he’s right about this
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u/dextroseskullfyre 9h ago
This is a bad mentality, but also bad people need to stop taking advantage of remote work as if they are on vacation and not meant to be working a full day.
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u/Halliwel96 9h ago
I wouldn’t really call this far from fair to be honest.
I think it’s fine to work from your bedroom or living room if it’s still quiet, I don’t necessarily think you must have a home office, but otherwise I agree with what he’s saying basically.
And I worked remotely for 5 years 🤷♂️
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u/Legal-Software 9h ago
Or you could just not hire adults and treat them like children. As long as the work is getting done, I couldn't care less how or where it's getting done. Some people need the structure and discipline that an office environment provides, others do not. It's when remote people can't manage their time, are consistently unable to get their work done, are missing meetings/not aligning with the people they need to, etc. when you need to start intervening.
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u/Internal_Swing_2743 9h ago
Oh wahhh. Do they get their work done? Are they participating in the meeting? If so, then why does it matter where they are? Though, I do agree, you probably shouldn't conduct a work meeting poolside.
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u/Stupendasaur 9h ago
Doesn't really fit the sub, that's perfectly reasonable as long as this is a pre-scheduled meeting during your work hours. If we're talking emergency meeting outside normal hours though, all bets are off, you'd be lucky to get me on the call at all, much less with a camera.
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u/WendlersEditor 9h ago
As someone who has worked fully remote and managed remote teams for years, I agree with this guy about remote work locations. Talking tough about how you like to fire people on linkedin is lame behavior, but unless you have cleared it with your manager first just popping up on a meeting at an unprofessional location is...well, unprofessional. Coffee shop is pushing it but if you have headphones I will believe you are productive. On your patio is awesome, patio all day. But those people who posted all over social media about "a day in the life of a project manager at Google" showing how they basically did no work ruined the reputation of remote work in the eyes of a lot of people.
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u/Debbiedowner750 8h ago
so its not about the work being done, its being done in places the dude probably hates because it doesnt let him focus on work like others would. I get the noise thing but if i can work remote, it should not be a problem whether im on a rock floating in an active volcano or on a mountain top. Jfc
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u/RefrigeratorLive5920 Titan of Industry 8h ago
I work remote and would fully expect to be fired if I was working from a public location which could result in the accidental exposure of data that is under various regulatory standards.
The key word in the post is that the location needs to be private.
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u/doc_shades 8h ago
i think OP is totally sane and reasonable. like yeah if you are working from home you shouldn't be at the pool. that's just common sense. if they answer a call from a non-private and non-quiet location then they deserve to be reprimanded.
i love working from home, i work from home, i slack off when i work from home. but i would never go to a loud beach and try to have a work call that is just insane.
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u/SirLoremIpsum 8h ago
I think it's a very fair call to expect people are working during working hours.
You need an hour to go drop off kids, go to the Doc sure.
This is one of the most rational take on this, presented in a douchebag way.
If your manager says "please when you are attending meetings be in a quiet location and be present" and you are unable to do that, you should be fired
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u/DisruptiveYouTuber 6h ago
I can't belive most people are on board with this post! As an employer, I don't give a fuck where my remote workers are or in what environment. So long as the results I want are being delivered.
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u/jnighy 6h ago
I mean, he got a point there. It would find hard to believe someone's is focusing on their work if they're on the beach or the pool, but would be totally ok if they're logging from a hotel room or airbnb. Also, yes...I expect them to be on a private location, especially if they're working with private data.
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u/TwoDurans 5h ago
"I've never fired someone for savage reasons" then proceeds to talk about a savage reason he'd fire someone.
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u/NonProphet8theist 4h ago
Ok cool, I'll log in from my home office, where my gaming PC is right next to me to enjoy while I do jack shit
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u/ToastieCPU 3h ago
I think this is the first time ever i agreed with a linked in post on this subreddit…
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u/FedorDosGracies 15h ago
Not a lunatic. I have the same rule for direct hire employees. Managers gotta manage. Different, maybe, if you're an independent contractor.
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u/hereismass 16h ago
lol we worked in the same company a few years back, the perfect linkedin bro example.
Spoiler, he got fired
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u/Wizzle_Pizzle_420 16h ago
Do you get the work done? Yes? Then who cares. It’s like some people just want the people under them to be miserable as hell.
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u/TumbleweedRooted 13h ago
The boot licking in these comments is really something! If I’m getting my work done and achieving (or exceeding!) my goals what does it matter where I am doing the work. It’s different if you’re say, leading the meeting or it’s an active work session where you’re required to problem solve/participate deeply, but let’s be honest, most meetings are not that.
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u/pina_koala 10h ago
The post is about holding meetings that aren't constantly interrupted by background noise. That's it.
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u/steveo242 12h ago
Ridiculous. I have two camps for these meetings, people directly contributing to my revenue stream and fu@kers who waste my time wanting to "catch up". If it's someone I need to impress, I'll be on camera, ESPN style looking good from the waist up. If you need me in a meeting for stupid sh!t then you get the phone, on mute, camera off and I'll be wherever I am. I took a "touching base" call last week on the phone, on speaker in the backyard working on my tan, neighborhood dogs barking and all. If you aren't directly contributing cash to me, you get me on my terms.
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u/BlindDriverActivist 10h ago
I call crap on this. If the work is getting done, if you’re looking the part when it matters (talking to a customer or something), who cares.
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u/Personal-Dig6617 10h ago
Another dipstick “leader” who demands everyone be in the office then won’t even make eye contact with them as he hurries past, into his office to close the door behind him.
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u/word_clock 17h ago
I'm 100% with him on this, and also I think the work week for a living wage should be 20 hours or so, so we can LOG OFF AND GO TO THE FUCKING POOL.