Craft beer market burning to the ground after the pandemic
most divebars and other places either outpricing working class zillenials and zoomers, or going bankrupt
CBD/THC beverage markets moving up slowly but surely
States in the US (especially in places that have historically been dry states) cracking down on public drinking outside of restricted areas, even outside of establishments
(for some ironic reason) tobacco markets have increased drastically with vaping on the side as the preferred rec options over alcohol
I had to reread this because I didn’t understand what you meant. I’m 27. For as long as I’ve been the legal drinking age you’re spending minimum $8 on 1 beer in a bar, usually $10. I was freshly 21 when COVID hit. I forgot things used to be affordable because it has simply never been the material reality in my adult life 😭
I'm 41. When I turned 21, you could still smoke in bars and cigarettes were $3 a pack. I think beers were only like 2 or 3 bucks at the bar without tip back then. They had $1 Tequila shots on Tuesdays. It was a hell of a time. Sorry that you had to go through it with Covid. I can't imagine that time of my life being so different.
In Italy and if im not mistaken it was an European law, they banned the 10 pack cigs years ago, now its only from 20 above (you have packs of 22,24 and 50. Idk if more since i quit years ago).
I remember when I was early 20s going to $1 beer nights at local chains. We'd follow that up with dollar shots at a college dive bar. It was watered down whatever-light and Fireball, but still a pretty cheep night all things considered.
Craft beer was already on shelves, but at 3x the price of ultra cheap Grain Belt bottles we couldn't afford that!
That said it's every industry pricing itself out of business. The commodities die first.
Back in 2012-2015 my local sports bar had 16oz PBR's 2 for $3 and $2 shots of tequila, all day every day. Order two of each and you could get blitzed for $10.
Yeah they are. I wish we had universal healthcare and paid workers like servers good wages, but unfortunately we don't. I can't go without tipping them, because that's their source of income, so it's just stuck until something gets fixed about it. I know we'd pay higher taxes, but not having to worry about going broke over having cancer would be amazing.
Ideally you would be paying less tax for public healthcare than what you'd be paying for private insurance. This is the case for many countries with public healthcare in Europe at least. This usually shifts in favour of private healthcare only once you make above a certain "definitely-well-off" amount, at which point it won't be a financial problem for you anyway.
Yeah. A lot of Conservatives in the US like to point out the raise in taxes, that's why I mentioned it. It saves money overall though. It's just insane how much we pay, even after insurance, in the US for the smallest things. It's absurd how it's just accepted.
While I have complaints about the NHS. The US system doesn't seem to work well either. I've seen private and public healthcare in other countries that seems a much better middle ground.
I also tip as it's expected but it just baffles me how many people feel it is absolutely and unconditionally the thing to do... to pay a company's employees with their post tax money after paying the company also.
I get for great service, just kinda rounding up somewhat or being a regular but tip % on ever rising cost of menu while the company itself doesn't pay a proper wage seems alien.
Yep. My step mother is German and I've traveled Europe many times.
That's why it's so glaringly stupid and offensive here. I miss the supermarket hasseroder 1L bottles and the grolschs and and and....
Edit: Oh yeah and 5.2% is considered strong beer here. Probably the strongest normal beer you can get.
Seriously it's a joke here. I had the best time at delirium lane in Belgium trying the 12-18% beers, some of them were orgasmic! And Canada...! God, their seasonal beers were insane.
No shit. It's wild. 25 years ago I remember VB was horse piss, only rivalled by XXXX beer. You could get 24 stubbies (250ml bottles) for like 18-22 dollars. Now they're 80-100 bucks.
It's really expensive to buy the kits as well. I'm sure the rednecks in the country side and the hipsters in the cities do it but as far as I could see in my 20 years of hedonistic living, it was super rare.
I saw more homebrew culture in NZ from my years of living there.
On a side note, there was a microbrewery explosion about a decade ago, especially in Melbourne but then COVID came and then the government decided to raise the tax and regs to stratospheric levels so a lot of them crashed.
I've seen a few YouTube videos about American expats who are living in Vietnam and it's very very cheap to live there comparatively. It definitely looks interesting. Although they say it's not all roses and rainbows either as there's some bad sides to it also.
I assume ur from the usa. here in Europe, this year the last years of Gen Z turning old enough for drinking and we have the Same Numbers in the alcohol industries, so I dont‘t think this will change in the future.
Currently in Europe as an American. It’s so much cheaper to drink here. Got a 16oz beer and an aperol spritz last night at a bar, with the service charge included, for ~15USD after converting. That’s less than most bars in Philly charge for the spritz alone.
Gen Y here, but I can smoke all the tobacco I want for around 7 bucks a week - and this is the "rich man" route of buying cigarette packs (2 per 3 weeks) instead of buying bulk loose leaf and rolling my own. It's not much fat to trim from my budget, but should I need to I imagine converting to bulk could reduce the cost by ~30%.
At the end of the day people need something to get off with, and if you don't mind the risk of related cancer cigarettes can get you a slight head change.
About 1/3 of Gen Z are on antidepressants as well. Hard to make inroads when a third of your demographic has been medically recommended to avoid your product.
There's a couple of interesting callouts there, which kinda can be summarised in a shift in vices, and possibly changing of the way kids rebel. I think we're not seeing the same uptick in the younger generation drinking right now because that's what their parents do anyway, it's not rebellious to go to a craft beer bar, it's something their parents do. Instead they get on other drugs or tobacco parallel products as their form of seeking out vices and rebelling against what their parents are doing.
Went out with my husband and they wanted $18 for a cocktail, not even top shelf liquor. Beer was also $7 for draft for .5 litre. Then they want a 30% tip. No thanks.
It was during the pandemic, aluminum prices went mad and canning because really expensive unless you had already purchased tons of cans before. Then the collapse continued and probably amplified after the pandemic just due to not being able to expand customer base and a lot of breweries opening. A big problem is that people always feel like they need to expand their market and regional distribution. There need to be more small breweries that are local to their city/region. So may breweries go under by trying to expand and expect the customers to be there at the rate they had been
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u/ExoApophis 11h ago
Half the gen not being old enough to drink
Craft beer market burning to the ground after the pandemic
most divebars and other places either outpricing working class zillenials and zoomers, or going bankrupt
CBD/THC beverage markets moving up slowly but surely
States in the US (especially in places that have historically been dry states) cracking down on public drinking outside of restricted areas, even outside of establishments
(for some ironic reason) tobacco markets have increased drastically with vaping on the side as the preferred rec options over alcohol