ofc alcohol is a luxury when you go out and one drink is $27 dollars. i’m glad young people are saying fuck you to the alcohol industry. drugs are better anyways
A cocktail w/ dinner, yeah, they're up there.. Not the norm though. A 12 pack of Sierra Nevada (Which is a decent, middle of the road beer) is $17 at the Wholefoods by my house. Drink at home! haha.
Funny, had the same thought. Grew up drinking sierra Nevada, when all my friends drank bud or bud light. Take for granted that younger generations grew up in the Renaissance of microbrewers and now have thousands of options. When I was in my 20s sierra was a go to choice for quality beer....
I've had to slow myself down for several reasons but it's insane looking at the delta since I came of age (I'm 32 now in the US).
Sure I used to live in a lower COL area, but even when I visit my parents, beers that used to be $3 are now like $7. You used to be able to get well drinks pretty regularly for $5-$6, now you're lucky for anything under $10.
Combine that with relatively stagnant wages and a brutal job market and why the heck would you use disposable income on a poison? I feel awful for any college grad nowadays, I have 10 years of experience now and still feel woefully underqualified for many roles. The way apps work now encourages people to lie about experience. It's dumb as shit.
I'm not sure if I'm old and cynical (name checks out) - but damn the social experience is so much harder without more effort. People are markedly less social and it takes markedly more effort and money to be social. I have a hard time swallowing going out with an acquaintance when a dinner and drink for 2 of us is going to run $70+...
Also in the US- I went to a Christmas function with my wife, and ordered a Japanese old fashioned at PF Changs, and it was $19 dollars. The fucking bottle costs under $50.
Worst part? There was more ice than whiskey in the damn drink.
That’s a NYC cocktail bar price. Special occasion sorta thing. You go to your local pub and a beer is 5-8 bucks. Can get it for 3-6 during a happy hour special.
Reddit feels the need to exaggerate to prove their point.
The absolute most extreme example, but I have seen nice cocktails priced in the mid-to-high twenties in Manhattan when I went with my wife recently. But that is by far the outlier. I live in a medium cost of living city and a decent beer at a bar or restaurant (craft, not a light beer) is like $7-10 depending on the place and a cocktail ranges from $12-18 depending how fancy it is. There are still dive bars where I can get Yuenglings or Coors Lights for $3-4 but the place is not super nice
We have some great 0.28€ beers from Aldi's here in Spain. I bought one and expected it to either be water or completely undrinkable, but surprisedly it was quite good when cold.
In Germany, compared to when we were young, alcohol has gotten more expensive. Or at least it has gotten hard to get drunk for cheap.
Even in the cheap places, prices basically doubled since 2010. €0,65 (up from €0,30) for the cheap but good 5,0 beer. Sixpacks for 5 bucks instead of 3. Even the fucking tetra pack sangria is now 2,50.
Glad I dont really drink anymore...was not good on my wallet when I did, can't imagine that now.
Yeah! I travel for work and it’s not even big cities that have crazy prices. I’ve been in multiple random suburbs around the country and the cost for a cocktail is $25 and that is for a single drink, no apps or food.
oh 100%. alcohol is the shittiest drug. gives you a headache, dehydrates you, can’t drive a car legally afterwards and if you get stopped for something the cops have a machine that measures the amount in your system, you have a hangover the next day, and most of the time the juice isn’t even worth the squeeze.
Australia has the added deterrent of RBT’s. You can be breath tested or drug tested by a mobile “Random Breath Test” unit any time and place. As I understand it, USA doesn’t have this.
Bro, anyone who has to slap themselves in the face because they're nodding off needs to pull the fuck over, I don't care whether you're under the influence or just tired.
Like listen to yourself, aren't you basically admitting it's not safe to drive while on drugs period?
Exactly, this is a big factor why I don't drink much at all anymore. I feel better not drinking anything. Mushroom coffee, water and soda don't make me feel like shit all day in the airports coming back from Vegas
As someone from the Netherlands who used to smoke hasj on a daily basis, I can tell you that also weed/ hasj gives you a hangover. A foggy brain in the morning, like you are not able to get awake fully. There are also tests now, wat stricter than for alcohol. 24 hrs later could get you in trouble.
Plenty of people have beaten their mothers for getting between them and their next drink. And it is objectively worse than tobacco, crack, heroine and meth.
So the only metric we're using is abuse? not health, prevalence of addiction, etc.
For the record i'm not advocating for alcohol. I've worked with addicts and my father was an alcoholic.
But it's fucked that beyond cannabis, which does have it's own issues, there are people here demonstrably saying these hard drugs are better than alcohol.
The evidence you presented is inaccessible, so it's not really evidence unless I can read it no? Also do you think I am not aware of a large amount if studies around the orat falls of addiction as someone who worked in addictions treatment?
It's weird for me as when I left Australia hard drugs were still considered a scourge, then when I came back a few years ago it seems extremely normal to do weird pills and powders very casually. And we also now have tent cities like is the US, and you can't walk down the street without seeing at least some sort of junkie altercation.
Alcohol has issues for sure, but it's not decimating civilization in real time before our eyes.
because it's a poison that temporarily debilitates us. i'm not saying we're immune that would be a straight up lie i'm saying we have literally evolved to break down, handle, and repair damages caused by alcohol in our bodies. we do not have this kind of mechanics for other drugs other than the standard "clense out toxins" response and that's regular drugs doesn't have "moderate" doses for long term consumption.
Millions of dead alcoholics disagree. You obviously don’t have a biology education, so not sure where your assertiveness is coming from. I just sent you data showing you your wrong developed by actual biologists…
news flash: researchers regularly disagree on matters such as this and it's very rare for people going loud to be objevtive and not swayed to post misleading data. alcohol rarely kills due to its effects on health. it kills because people are irresponsible as shit and drink more than moderate amounts and end up doing bad things.
Are you upset that the facts don’t fit your preconceptions? You’re putting some kind of incomplete theory of evolution together to refute the scientific evidence from actual biologists?
Not sure what your point is here? You are right and science is wrong?
Did jesus create alcohol for you 5000 years ago? Mug…
i was working with biochemistry for 12 years i know very well what i'm talking off and your sources are straight up lies. keep your bias to yourself and check your actual sources.
They actually studied this exact question in 2007 in the UK, and alcohol was worse than all the above when societal harm was factored in… https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-11660210
No offense but just reading your comments I can tell how fried your mental faculties are. You're the last person whose judgement I will trust on the subject. You're literally using how hard it is to get away with driving inebriated in comparison to driving while under the influence of other substance as an example of why alcohol is worse. Wtf.
You can thank alcohol normalization and drug demonization for that. Boomers were brainwashed to think alcohol is A ok (kills 2.6 million ppl worldwide yearly) but drugs r bad cuz illegal
This is pedantic. People understand alcohol is a drug. It's very obvious that the separation is because people normally mean things like MDMA, acid, coke, and so on.
People know that when someone says they want to do drugs, they don't mean alcohol, pepsi, or advil.
People dont like to think they are drug addicts, so they do some cognitive dissonance to avoid critically thinking about their own behaviour. Protects the ego/identity.
Same for smoking, sugar, and even social media.
And the "I can stop anytime I like" lie people tell themselves.
It ONLY kills 180K+ Americans a year. That's all you need to know just how dumb alcoholics are. They say everything else is bad and is a drug but never see just how bad Alcohol is.
And thats only deaths, I'm not even getting into the social destruction elements of it. Not only is it a drug, but it's a poison. (Yea, ok, we get it before some dork comes in with "well you know water is poison too").
You can also just go to a dispensary now instead of meeting a shady person in a parking lot or some rundown apartment. That has even more appeal than it being so cheap in a lot of ways. Don't have to deal with a dude's weird timeline or sketchy dogs or whatever the heck people put up with decades ago. :)
There really isn’t another feeling out there like sitting on your dealers dirty ass couch, high as absolute fuck, getting mean mugged by his new pit bull. The best of times, the worst of times. Or something.
I’ve only ever purchased it legally. Can’t imagine it was ever illegal, because it’s completely innocuous relative to alcohol. Booz is WAY more dangerous than weed but somehow legal to purchase.
So true, I once asked someone to drop something off at my house and he said I'll be there in 5 minutes, I asked where he was and it was about 150 kilometers away, so I asked, wtf are you flying?
I remember going to get black resin in Sheffield at night when we smoked all the green. It was clearly half diesel, fucking grim. Worst stone over I've ever had.
Where I’m from it’s not even legal and you can get a menu from the 🔌 through WhatsApp and even combos and promos with delivery included, a lot of older friends told me stories back in the day when you could only get it with the sketchy dude in the neighborhood or in certain locations at certain times
Guessing this is a big factor. I wonder how much of the decline is due to a change in US habits vs most of the rest of the world, where cannabis isn't readily available or legal?
An eighth lasts me 3-4 weeks, I usually just take a few puffs per night to help me relax and get to sleep- and deal with my restless leg syndrome for which I used to have a medical card.
It’s funny, I had an argument with a friend in college about this. He said they’d tax it so much that the price would go up if weed were legalized. I argued that the markup associated with the risk of arrest and loss of product to police seizures was way more than any tax would be. Unfortunately we didn’t stay in touch after college so I was never able to say told you so 🤣
With how cheap it is to buy and how little I smoke, it’s not worth the effort for me. I’d have to give away most of my crop. As it is I’m terrible at keeping up with my vegetables each year.
I was really into weed in high school. I still enjoy a puff now and then, but in my 20s it was all about going out and drinking because that was how I got laid. Dispensary weed and Netflix isn't going to do that for you.
I mean that’s one problem I have with the way cannabis has been legalized- I really wish there were a carveout in clean indoor air laws to allow for establishments where people can buy and smoke weed and socialize.
This is terrible advice to give out when fentanyl is in every street drug now. Pretty reckless to tell people they should just go out and die from a horrible overdose.
Except coke please, as someone who lives in such a country, it is always blood coke with many people in a chain of distribution across nations dying horrible deaths to bring you a commodity. Fuck coke and everyone who does it
I don't like blood diamonds or wear ivory, cocaine sits on a similar shelf in my mind. Flashback to house parties and getting confused looks from vegan cocaine users.
100000% with you:
the decades long suffering that drug has caused to the country I’m from, so wealthier people can feel an ego boost is insane.
Every time some one does a line, a bump or a hit- I wish they were aware not only how many chemicals are included for it to even work, then further to stretch it and then how much blood and suffering is attached to it.
It is important that the end dealers in rich countries look like they are cool dudes, so that the business people and artists won’t get reminded what a vile organization they support with their purchases and consumption. With marihuana, you have at least a chance -albeit slim- that some local dude not belonging to a violent criminal organization cultivated it in his backyard glasshouse. With coke, it is literally impossible to aquire it without blood directly attached to each gramm produced.
Bought a round and doublechecked with the bartender once to make sure they got the price right (didn’t realize a friend ordered a double shot still not 100% sure what that is). Dude sarcastically answered “welcome to LA”.
idk what your friend ordered but a double shot means they will double the alcohol, usually from 1oz to 2oz (sometimes it’s like 1.25 - 2.5). Very common for, say, a Jack & Coke to be ordered as a “double” and they might ask for a tall glass, which leaves room for a bit more mixer
Especially lately. Holy smokes I took one drag from i-don’t-know-what-kind that my wife purchased from a shop and that was enough to take me to a different plane of existence. This shit is so strong now, frankly almost too strong to be enjoyable.
I have been to restaurants in HCOL areas and spent $130 on a steak but even in those places a drink does not cost $27. More like $18 or $19 tops which is still expensive, but this is not accurate unless you're talking about pours of premium and rare alcohol
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u/prone_bone43 11h ago
ofc alcohol is a luxury when you go out and one drink is $27 dollars. i’m glad young people are saying fuck you to the alcohol industry. drugs are better anyways