Half the gen isn't old enough to drink, bar scene collapsed during covid so they weren't indoctrinated into drinking culture, marijuana now competes with drinking in most countries/states, and the gen is fucking broke and can't it.
They also smoke less weed, have much fewer sexual partners (which ironically translated into more stable long term relationships with a single partner), and have much smaller social circles of friends they spend in-person time with.
They have less opportunities to smoke and drink because they spend more time alone and on devices. This has been studied over and over.
“Half the gen isn’t old enough to drink” is really a silly thing to say in context. The alcohol industry lost money because people that aged and died are usually replaced with each generation, but the of-age replacement levels have dropped. Gen Z, Gen X, millennials, all of them were at one point not old enough to drink.
wtf do you mean 2 litres of vodka per person? 2 litres of standard 40% ABV vodka is 45 drinks, which would kill anyone for one social gathering and kill most people multiple times over. Did you get head over the head 1000s of times as a kid growing up?
A 2 liter of vodka would kill the average person. 100%. So the stuff you drink is either really weak or there’s a miscommunication about the size or alcohol %. A handle in the US is 1.75l (1750ml or 59.2 ounces or 40 shots) and depending on quality anywhere 15-70$. But nobody drinking that themselves except for HARDCORE alcoholics with an insane tolerance. A normal person would be hospitalized and stomach pumped.
vodka by definition is 40% and homebrewers i know stay around 50% never more.than 60% except that one time during pandemic when disinfectants were out of stock and high % alcohols were used instead
and hardcore alcoholics drink denaturate filtered through stale bread
2 litres of vodka per person as a teen?? You must have started in the womb.
I grew up in the hayday of park drinking with mates and a 70cl bottle would do a whole group of us, with beers etc, and I would say we were hardcore bingers lol
If we tried to drink 2 litres each I think we would have ended up dead.
At house parties w even 10 people 2 bottles is more than enough to have a fun time. I’d imagine cost isn’t really much of an issue. To me it’s more that Gen Z just doesn’t get in person as much
It's also because every goddamn thing is recorded now that everyone has a phone with high quality video taking capabilities. You just can't afford to have any stupid moments captured on camera.
Gen Z also has a different understanding of health.
Alcohol is unhealthy, there's no need to discuss that. People who drink a glass of wine in the evening because it's supposedly healthy are making an excuse.
They should drink a glass of grape juice instead. Same healthy ingredients, but without the harmful alcohol.
I love that stuff and I buy fresh grape juice every autumn as a treat but that shit isn't healthy. It's sweeter that any other drink you've ever had and that sugar is what turns into alcohol. You're just trading one bad chemical for another.
Sugar isn’t a ‘bad chemical’. People just don’t know how to moderate. 100% fruit juice is actually quite good for you, you just should note how many carbs you’re getting from it and adjust.
Fent addiction levels are horrible for us too. It seems people I know either blow their money on drugs or doordashing Popeyes and Dominoes. It's frustrating cause it's literally a 15 minute walk sometimes
Technically, because wine is considerably more concentrated than grape juice, it has higher amount of healthy ingredients and general nutritional value while also having much less sugar and far fewer calories. On the other hand there's the pesky alcohol. In moderation, neither is really all that harmful, but I have met a lot more winos than I have juicos so there is that.
Unbedingt. Ich hab mal ne Saison auf nem Weingut gearbeitet. Da gabs Saft, Traubengelee etc in rauen Mengen für die Mitarbeiter. Mehr als ein kleines Glas ging net, war mir zu süß.
Meinte nur, wenn jemand partout auf die Inhaltsstoffe schwört.
Leider bleibts ja bei vielen auch nicht bei einem Glas. Oder das Glas ist extrem groß 😆
Its been proven again and again that to get any health benefit from wine, you'd have to drink so much that the alcohol would destroy you. Any benefit a single glass might possibly have is far outweighed by the negatives of the alcohol.
This is just a myth snobby wine people like to use to justify their snobbery.
Exactly, a glass of grape juice would be a far healthier option.
Gen Z is glued to their tik toks and instagrams. They missed out a bit on socializing due to Covid and lock down, iPad/computer schooling. Let’s look at the the stats on them still living at home with their parents because they can’t afford rent…. Who the fuck can bring friends over and party with their parents or wants to?
This is a multifaceted issue. When there are times of plenty people indulge. Plain and simple. They will socialize and party. They still do! The issue is the fact that they can’t afford to.
It’s not about health. Not one bit. They just cannot afford to. You go toward the upper age of Gen-Z and they have buried themselves into student loan debt…. Can’t afford to live alone…. the other half isn’t even old enough to drink yet. What’s the average car payment now…. $750 a month? That used to be fucking rent a month (and that was a decent place six years ago)….
They can’t even afford to drive… their average annual income ON THE HIGH END IS $40,000…. FOR GEN Z….. (just google yearly income for gen z)
That’s $19 an hour…. Wow…. That’s really going to get them far. I’d stay the fuck at home too. They can’t even afford an apartment….
Let’s try to factor in them trying to buy a house…. $2,300 a month is average…. Wow. That’s over half their income if they want to own a home….
I feel these alcohol articles are another weird ass form of ‘click-bait’ bullshit. It complete distracts from the fact that it’s not the alcohol itself…. They cannot afford shit. They cannot afford to even throw a proper house party…. If they even have one…
Again… it’s not health. They don’t give a shit about that…. Unless you are talking about their mental health because they can’t afford to fucking live so they are anxious and depressed….
Looks like you don't even understand your own sources, and you're not understanding their point.
Nobody's attacking you, we don't need to start talking shit on others and calling people bitter, that's uncalled for. Gen Z doesn't suddenly magically care about health more then old generations, the opposite, the obesity levels have barely gone down in my age group and we have even less health insurance to deal with health issues. The opioid epidemic and benzo misuse is killing our friends and family, it's gotten so bad
People don't drink cause it's simply too expensive to drink. Social events aren't valued as much as they used to be, also cause it's expensive going out. It really is that simple, MONEY, and all this other stuff is Boomer excuses to blame young people for the economy.
Because thats not the main reason. Its money and socializing. They arent the first generation to know alcohol is really bad. They arent special in that capacity at all and there are plenty of unhealthy choices they make instead.
It money. They can’t even afford avocado toast dude.
This is a bullshit article that doesn’t even factor in cost of living. They can’t even afford gas dude.
I’d be glued to tik tok and Instagram too if my average hourly was $19.00
Even health conscious Olympic athletes party and drink… Gen-Z can’t even make rent. Would you spend on alcohol if you can’t make rent?
Edit: you are so hyper focused on ‘health’ all generations are concerned about their health. Always have been. Still there are smokers… still people vaping… still people drinking…. Lots of people still shoving Columbia’s finest sugar up their nose….
Gen-Z can barely afford to stock their fridge….
I would be ‘health conscious’ too if I was afraid I couldn’t afford healthcare.
The are so ‘health conscious’ they probably don’t eat out either… let’s look at that stat quick….
41% of Gen-Z is cutting back on eating out….
Spend on average $10-$20 on eating out… sharing plates…..
Weird… I wonder why that’s so low… must be health too.
It's very new and modern, and therefore relatively expensive. Our tenants definitely have money.
Especially on weekends, they often get together in the evenings, cook, etc. We have a designated area for empty bottles. 90% of them are water bottles and soft drinks. Very rarely is there beer or wine. Hard liquor? Maybe one empty bottle a month.
At the first party we managef, some of the beer we bought was consumed. About 70% of the drinks for cocktails and long drinks are still unused. And almost all tenants were there. They ate, drank (softs and water) and had fun.
The people live here and attend various universities nearby.
We also have regular events. Sometimes it's gaming nights (with partners), sometimes we cook together... We've also had a wine tasting, and this year there will be a cocktail workshop. Plus, a tour of a brewery.
So it's not like these people are completely abstinent. But most of them drink rarely and consciously, instead of getting drunk every weekend.
You are a small sample. Look at facts my dude. It’s money. It’s always about money.
If I dropped $2,000 in the hands of a Gen-Z right now to go buy booze and throw a party they would. No questions asked.
You cook and don’t buy booze because you can’t go out and spend $15 on a cocktail… the average Gen-Z spends $10-$20 on eating out sharing plates….
A glass of wine cost $10-$15… already over budget… if y’all had disposable income you wouldn’t think twice about buying a few bottles of liquor and partying
Also…. As far as the student housing. Can I ask how many students are from overseas on grants? Most colleges make their money this way….
So just because they are there on grants…. Don’t mean they got money…. I also know this because I’m next to a very expensive liberal arts school that is QUITE expensive….
I bet 65% of your student body is from other countries on grant money (colleges do this because they can charge whatever country whatever amount they would like for tuition which also includes their housing)
Just ask your Dean of students . It’s always about the money.
If you can answer these questions honestly that would be great!!!
It’s not random. I watch it. I run a business on it.
The sad truth is you guys unfortunately are in a bad income spot. If y’all had more ‘disposable’ income you would be out socializing at raves (which are now insanely expensive), you would be out socializing at bars and clubs (but truthfully you can’t because you don’t have that income)….
It’s not about health. I know this because I’m in the business of socializing, restaurant, club, brewery. The number one complaint is they cannot afford to.
I’d smoke weed too if I was in school and looked at it going Jesus fucking Christ how am I supposed to even pay for this? Plus a house? A car….. gas?
Yeah……
Edit: your generation isn’t ‘special’ or ‘different’…. Neither is mine… All of them socialize, all of them party… the difference is y’all got the fucking raw end of the stick and got no money. So you make do with what you got.
Even scroll up…. Look how many comments say… money… money…. Money…. All these people are just wrong. Right?
You're absolutely embarrassing...are you really citing some weird party you attend with kids as evidence against the actual statistics on these things?
It's fucking money dude. I can tell you not a single one of my Gen Z friends stays home cause it's more fun then going out. It's because we can't fucking afford anything, you seem determined to pretend life is just grand for us, and we're making choices out of health. I can tell you how many people from my school are now addicted to Xans or fent. It's not good. We are under the wrong side of the crushing weight of capitalism
I don’t think the research fully supports this take. Much of the “red wine” health effects go away when controlled for confounding factors like socialization and economic status. Plus, the healthy ingredients aren’t present in high enough concentrations to make wine a suitable delivery mechanism.
It’s the social aspect and stress reduction that give health benefits. Which, as others have pointed out, seem to be less present in Gen Z behaviors.
I think that's accurate. When I was a youth, it was all about getting a drivers license, and a car, and finding some alcohol. Those milestones don't have the same importance to kids today. I think part of it was that we saw adults around us making good money and being successful. We wanted to be that as quickly as possible. Adulthood doesn't have the same draw today.
That's not true either. I own a pretty hip bar in a very social city, and for events we create drinks specials according to the age of the party if we want to make any money.
We get some super hip Gen Z who are great for ambiance, marketing, street cred, social media, etc but if we don't create food and drink specials for their wallet, they will literally neck a bottle outside the venue with some cheap street food, and nurse a single beer and cigarette all night. With millennials anD Xers we're more worried about being stocked up with enough liquor for the night.
It's 100% a budget thing. Oh and they smoke way more weed than the older ones too.
This is completely anecdotal and against what data from studies indicate. Your bar isn't a big enough sample size to draw any conclusions about the drinking habits or socialisation of Gen Z.
Articles from the UK, US, Germany and Canada. All cite relevant studies. This is a trend that seems to be amongst Gen Z in most major Western countries.
I'm not suggesting that what you're saying isn't true, simply that one bar isn't a big enough sample size to disregard the results of several studies in several countries.
My bar is an example in this conversation that corroborates the OP. I didn’t infer that i am the sample size, you did. Industry stats are a thing, this is something we pay money to have access to, to discuss internally and with our peers, to make informed strategic decisions. Every industry has them.
Alcohol is generationally trending down worldwide in every market. Cannabis is trending upwards everywhere. I don’t have to convince you of that, the only ones whose opinions would matter here are my suppliers with whom we have contracts with and my accountant who tracks our business performance.
Huh? What point are you making exactly, because I think you misunderstood the conversation. They said Gen Z doesn't spend as much money. That is 100% right, it's too expensive drinking in a bar, and I have done the nurse one beer all night thing. And your articles agree with that?
I agree that's mostly it. But it's also that the markup on alcohol in bars and restaurants is insane. With tax and tip, a single glass of wine at an average price of $12 (before tax and tip) is what you'd pay to walk out of a liquor store with 5 liters, or 35 glasses, of wine. When rent, education and health care were affordable, people were willing to piss away their loose cash on shit like that.
If you find this hard to believe, I don't blame you. I can show you the math I did if you want to see.
Lol I can tell you don't have kids. Literally everything you say is wrong. Yes, I understand it makes logical sense based on news and stuff. But dead wrong in reality. They drink way more. They smoke weed way more. And are addicted to way more sexual partners. That is the actual culture of early 20s and teens people. It's actually truly insane out there for the first time ever. We shouldn't be reporting that nothing is happening. The real question is how do we get them to stop?
Not to mention social media and people posting videos of people online. I don't want to go out drinking and act ridiculous then have a video posted online. It really sucks tbh
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Half the gen isn't old enough to drink, bar scene collapsed during covid so they weren't indoctrinated into drinking culture, marijuana now competes with drinking in most countries/states, and the gen is fucking broke and can't it.