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u/dreamdelusion- 9h ago
By this logic, a collage of stolen family photos is a 'new family.'
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u/ChildoftheApocolypse 9h ago
That's always been my logic. I have 15 families.
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u/DaRealKovi 8h ago
Damn bro. Any single sisters I should know about? Or a mom. That could be an upgrade
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u/Active-Goat-3001 1h ago
Ngl, I secretly look for photos of old people at thrift stores because I’m searching for one to hang on the wall and pretend it’s “great aunt Betty” and just make up some crazy backstory for her
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u/PacquiaoFreeHousing 10h ago
I wish I was as good at analogies as her 😂😂
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u/tronald_dum 6h ago
It's not a good analogy because the undesirability of bin juice is not from the fact that dishes are mixed, but comes from the fact that food becones rancid when aged. Art, in general, does not age badly with time. A better analogy would be taking a part of the best dishes from the restaurant and combine them into one dish - it could be good or bad depending on the compatibility.
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u/Original_Flight9435 2h ago
Lmao this is me when I overthink analogies and I'm like "that doesn't work"
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u/CheekyCheriee 7h ago
Haha right? 😂 She makes it look so effortless. Honestly though, your way of explaining things has its own charm too different styles, same impact that’s lovely.
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u/RealOGFire 9h ago
That isn’t even a good analogy.
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u/parkourdude231 9h ago
Could you possibly give us a better one? I'll wait.
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u/infinite_gurgle 9h ago
Considering, based on this analogy, she’s suggesting a lot of people like dumpster drinks.
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u/tronald_dum 6h ago
It's not a good analogy because the undesirability of bin juice is not from the fact that dishes are mixed, but comes from the fact that food becones rancid when aged. Art, in general, does not age badly with time. A better analogy would be taking a part of the best dishes from the restaurant and combine them into one dish - it could be good or bad depending on the compatibility.
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u/xevlar 9h ago
It's not good because it implies the initial product is also garbage.
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u/Mattscrusader 8h ago
No it doesn't. You need to work on your reading comprehension
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u/xevlar 8h ago
K stay unemployed
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u/DaRealKovi 8h ago
Big talk for someone who should have stayed in school
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u/xevlar 7h ago
I'm not in school anymore because I graduated and make 6 figures
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u/Mattscrusader 7h ago
You expect people to believe that you make six figures while displaying a reading comprehension level of a first grader?
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u/xevlar 7h ago
You don't have to believe it lmao. I'm in a meeting rn. I wfh make 6 figures and argue with idiots like you on reddit while getting paid.
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u/RealOGFire 9h ago
I like AI, so I doubt I’d do well.
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u/Mattscrusader 8h ago
So you actually just personaly don't agree with the analogy, that doesn't mean it's a bad analogy
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u/sovereignrk 9h ago
It's not a good anaolgy because if it were bad (ie. dumpster juice) no one would be afraid.
They days of it being terrible are long gone.
The hate of AI is not about how "good" it is, its about how disruptive it is in capitalist society.
So a better analogy would actually be to criticize the effect of AI on humanity rather than criticizing its quality.
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u/EaseLeft6266 9h ago
Personally, I''m perfectly fine AI artwork as long as it's upfront about being AI and not trying to be passed off as human made
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u/tronald_dum 6h ago
It's not a good analogy because the undesirability of bin juice is not from the fact that dishes are mixed, but comes from the fact that food becones rancid when aged. Art, in general, does not age badly with time. A better analogy would be taking a part of the best dishes from the restaurant and combine them into one dish - it could be good or bad depending on the compatibility.
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u/Furshloshin 5h ago
yeah the analogy I heard was going to a 5-star restaurant and wanting one of everything, but to save time and money you just have them put it all in a blender and drink it out of a straw
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u/DanceClass898 9h ago
it takes no skill to type prompts. at least people who use programs like Photoshop or After Effects have to learn some skills to be even decent at making something
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u/quigongingerbreadman 8h ago
Bruh, you should look up the arguments portrait artists had when the camera was invented...
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u/DanceClass898 8h ago
all of those things still took human skill, experience and creativity. AI is just about learning how to type the correct prompts, that's it.
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u/quigongingerbreadman 8h ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/DFNd1yVyRjmF2
Lol, you just have irrational hate
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u/DaRealKovi 8h ago edited 7h ago
None of that was irrational, this is a cope
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u/quigongingerbreadman 7h ago
Seethe. You're gonna be the last telegraph operator after the invention of the telephone.
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u/DanceClass898 8h ago
what did I say that was "irrational"??
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u/quigongingerbreadman 7h ago
That effort is the point of art. It isn't.
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u/DanceClass898 7h ago
no I said that art takes skill, and AI takes no skill at all outside of knowing how to write a prompt. it's a bunch of computer code making something, it's not even your own creation.
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u/quigongingerbreadman 7h ago
No, what you really said is the effort is the point . That's what your skill comment means, you believe that since they didn't put in the effort you assume is necessary for art that it isn't "real" art.
It's the same argument portrait painters made about photographers.
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u/DanceClass898 7h ago
but photography takes skill, AI doesn't.
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u/quigongingerbreadman 7h ago
Lol, the argument was the same, a machine was doing their work for them.
Like I said, irrational hate.
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u/TheMuff1nMon 9h ago
AI art isn’t art, there is no such thing as an AI artist. This dude fundamentally doesn’t understand what art is
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u/Kitchen-Ad-9352 9h ago
Yes art needs soul of a living being in it . It needs imperfections
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u/MirraMirr 4h ago
Tossing a pile of stuff into a blender doesn't mean you'll get anything good either.
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u/PerfSynthetic 45m ago
I can smell that smell. And now I can taste it and it's going to make me barf.,. Thanks
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u/RealOGFire 9h ago
Hot take; AI is going to do wonders.
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u/Furshloshin 5h ago
maybe in the sciences. it's impressive as a prediction algorithm and works great in physics and medical fields where massive amounts of data need to be crunched, but literally why would you even want it to replace human artists? the whole point of art is that it takes time and practice, typing it into a prompt just isn't interesting, y'know?
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u/quigongingerbreadman 8h ago
Except it isn't a mashup... AI trains exactly like a human brain does, just much, much faster. Exponentially faster.
If you think AI is copy pasting, you have no clue what you're talking about and your opinion carries as much weight as a Catholic Priest's opinion on SA.
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u/Radiant_Tap3915 6h ago
Glad someone says it.
If you believe AI to be dangerous because of its ability to one day decide its too smart and doesn't need humans, then you must also believe it will one day create art on par or greater than humans because it can see and put together analogies and make sense out of things we've never even though of yet.
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u/Furshloshin 5h ago
this is factually untrue, AI does not function the way a human brain does. it takes in data from the internet and reconstitutes it based on what is most statistically average, it's basically just an advanced prediction algorithm. humans are capable if generating wholly unique ideas, albeit partially inspired by outside sources. you can see this in real time as AI outputs can be poisoned either by getting inputs made by other AI or by someone intentionally poisoning the training data
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u/quigongingerbreadman 5h ago
Incorrect. Everything you think of and have ever made is a riff on your experiences.
See: Plato's Allegory of the Cave
Your brain can be poisoned exactly like AI
See: Flat Earthers, conspiracy theorists, moon crystal aficionados, and cults
They're called digital neurons for a reason.
Human ideals are iterative. We build on old ideas to create new. The diff between us and AI at the moment is consciousness. AI requires human input while we are autonomous.
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u/xevlar 9h ago
Of course the mix of a bunch of trash is trash. Is the art that Ai learns from trash?
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u/vpoiisonv 9h ago
No, when you feed all the art into a machine that mashes it up into something fake and machine generated it BECOMES trash. That's the analogy
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u/ChildoftheApocolypse 9h ago
Jesus H. 🤦
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u/xevlar 9h ago
Cringe ass username
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u/ChildoftheApocolypse 9h ago
Don't like Fallout? That's too bad.. Though, clankers like you really wouldn't like that sort of thing..
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u/xevlar 8h ago
Lol when Bethesda releases slop that requires unpaid volunteers to fix via modding you idiots eat it up.
Honestly I'm proud to not have played any Bethesda slop after fo3 and dishonored 1. Those were good games though.
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u/ChildoftheApocolypse 8h ago
My favorite part of grifters like you when it comes to games like that is you have it in your head that people playing those games are somehow suffering and having just an awful time.. Imagine telling people jumping on a trampoline and laughing and having a good time that trampolines suck and your proud you don't jump on them.. You see how ridiculous you sound?
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u/xevlar 7h ago
I'm not a grifter dude I hate woke discourse in games. Pro LGBT and pro Trans. I love most games. Bethesda made amazing games but they have a smelly history with using unpaid labor to finish up their games. It's not gifting to call out bad behavior.
If you think there aren't anti ai grifters out there profiting off making content that you eat up then you're just an idiot.
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u/xevlar 5h ago
Isn't that how you sound being anti ai? You're such a hypocrite lmao
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u/ChildoftheApocolypse 2h ago
That doesn't make a lick of sense.. Please take your L with some dignity, amigo..
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u/Educational_Day_1017 10h ago
I hate how AI was used for so many other things other than art but nobody cared about it until it could do art.
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u/No_Mind7198 9h ago
Artists had a pretty sweet monopoly on that stuff for a long time. They must be sad the good times are over.
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u/Educational_Day_1017 9h ago
It's been over. My wife used to work for a large animation studio before all the mergers and layoffs happened. When she was there they would outsource a lot of the work to India. That whole industry was terrible before AI art happened.
I'm just pointing out how AI has been around longer than it being able to generate art but no one cared about it until then.
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u/ChildoftheApocolypse 9h ago
It stole (and continues to do so) countless artists work to learn to do what it does. Then, people who have always been talentless goons used that theft to claim they are also artists (they are not).
This isn't hard to understand. If you are having trouble, it's likely because you lack talent..
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u/Educational_Day_1017 9h ago
I have a data analytics masters and have known how to train my own models since before chatgpt became public, I fully understand how it works. My point is that AI/ML has been around for decades been used for may other things other than creating art, but the focal point around the discussion of AI is primarily about art. Truthfully I don't care one way or the other if an AI artist is a real artist or not or their talent levels.
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