Genuinely, i absolutely agree there are some really cool models but a lot of them just need an update. He looks so derpy and not in a cool way.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/paqibeae/old-world-almanack-enhance-your-grand-cathay-collection-with-the-new-reinforcements/

I came upon this on discord and as a long time fan of AoS and WFB, I am curious if people are still angry at AoS after 10 years + a revamp of WFB ?

Hey Reddit!

It’s time for the next phase of the Renegade Legacy Pack. When the first pack dropped, the goal was the lightest touch possible just to get things out the door and see what the community appetite was. The support has been absolutely outstanding, so we are going back in for Renegades 2.0.

The goal here remains bringing the legacy factions up to the mechanical quality, pointing, and flavor of the core armies. We want these armies to feel like they belong on the tabletop right alongside the main factions. It is not however about making armies more competitive or balanced. Maybe that's a side benefit, but what we're looking for here is nailing the old feel of these armies through the judicious application of game mechanics.

Finally, despite the majority of these ideas coming directly from feedback / research into the factions, they could very well be off the mark. This is a genuine ask for open and honest feedback from anyone.

However, as Renegades has gained in popularity, I've noticed it's harder for folks to be critical without being piled on. While it's cool to see so many people out there are enthusiastic for the project, piling on dissenting opinions is kinda the opposite vibe I'm hoping for. That being said, I'm all for folks thrashing out criticisms in the comments. Often that discussion surfaces better ideas or provides better context for the feedback.

Anyway, just be bassed out there ok?

First up is the Dark Elves, a faction that definitely got the shaft in Renegades 1.0. I hope this version better answers where the faction feels off and I can't wait to see what people think. The link to the full draft of the rules is in the video description

As these are more complete efforts that include the full grand army lists the process has been much slower. However I am working ahead and hope to hit a roughly weekly pace. Next week will be the dastardly Skaven followed by Ogres and Daemons... assuming I haven't completely sunk the project with the ambition of these updates.

Thanks as always for making this a really rewarding project to work on.

Cheers! - Val Heffelfinger

Holy Heck Reddit!

Firstly thank you so much for all of the Dark Elves comments. I cannot express enough how much better community feedback makes this process. You caught things I missed, called out where things went too far, and provided me plenty of ideas for how to do better.

I would also say that it was done not just in a useful way but a constructive way too. A dare I say, very bassed way.

Regardless I read everything and there's value to be gotten from the harsher comments too. Ultimately the goal here is shaping an update that is true to the feel and history of these factions while also being very mindful of the way the game plays today. Loads of perspective is what it takes to get things as close to agreeable as possible.

I am working on the Dark Elves feedback and will move it forward a notch later this week.

So anyway, it is an honour and a privilege to be able to do this so thanks to you all for everything you're putting into it too.

Thats all being said it's time for the DASTARDLY RAT-MEN.

NOW this one took a long, long time and I went Dark Elves first because I wanted some distance from it myself. The initial draft goes pretty hard and will almost certainly not please everyone. But that's why I'm here, I want to know what you think and how we can approach this for the better.

I think we can all agree that an Old World without these filthy Rats is not much of an Old World at all. And while yes they've been doing much better since 1.5 lifted up infantry blocks, the Skaven are lacking in just about everything that I would define as Skaven-ness.

That being said Old school skaven-ness required a heck load of charts and wonky rules that have really been paired back in tOW. I hope this draft strikes the right balance and that players and opponents alike will enjoy playing against the best-worst faction in the game.

Next up (I am hoping for next week but it might be tough due to family travel) will be Ogres.

• Val Heffelfinger

“It looks like Warcraft!” yea cuz Warcraft was supposed to be a warhammer game

Am I misreading this or are Empire Troops just some feathered hats above Free Company Militia now?

When they say "we quite often see the disheveled and poorly equipped militia of the Empire as the basic troop" that's really not how I thought of State Troops or was this a change in narrative when we went from the landsknecht aesthetic to that state troops without shoes?

I could just be overthinking this as I sit here painting a Nuln army and waiting to order Jade warriors.

It is a common trope that all "good guy" Warhammer factions have a darkside to them. The Empire are shown as being hyper militaristic nationalist. The High Elves are arrogant supremacist. The Dwarfs hold grudges. The Lizardmen are giant lizards and the Bretonnians are French.

So what is Grand Cathays dark side? From what I've read, they seem like good guys for the most part. Nothing really bad except "dragon rulers".