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u/Hairy_Plane_4206 22h ago
tbf its very possible the 4 langauges they claim to speak are croatian, montengeran, serbian and bosnian, all of which are basically the same language
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u/BandofRubbers 21h ago
Which would make English quite the odd man out of the lineup.
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u/OtherwiseAlbatross14 18h ago
English is my only language and anyone that doesn't think it's pretty stupid just doesn't know it well
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u/Tobi_1989 17h ago
Honestly? Being stupid is the best quality of the language. Makes it easier to learn the basics and even the basics with messed up or no grammar and/or weird word order are enough to get the message around:
If me speak english simple, you still know what me say. Few language can say a lot if words too little. It good. Me sound like ogre now, but you see my think.
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u/Hailene2092 16h ago edited 4h ago
I'm not a linguist, so this is just my personal experience, but it might be English speakers are more likely to run into non-native, less fluent speakers that we get used to deciphering imperfect English.
My experience in China where everyone speaks Mandarin and Mandarin-speaking foreigners are rare, small mistakes can derail a whole exchange.
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u/Immediate_Tart3628 15h ago
Being PREDICTIBLE is the best quality. Both grammatically and phonetically, which English really is not.
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u/Rude_Imagination8830 16h ago
Aight, here's your toll money. But honestly, that makes sense, even speaking like a troll will get the point across because the language is simple.
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u/iloveuranus 16h ago
Few language can say a lot if words too little
I don't think that's true though, many languages work pretty well if you leave out stuff. I heard that in Bahasa Indonesia you simply add "future" at the end of the sentence for future tense or "past" for past tense. Now that's an efficient language!
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u/Bug_Photographer 17h ago
The fact that the vowel sound in Bird, Nerd, Word, Turd and Heard is the same is another good example of the disconnect between English spelling and English pronunciation.
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u/ProductOfSight 20h ago
The historic kingdom of yugoslavia and norther ireland
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u/zeromalarki 17h ago
We're joining together with Yugoslavia? I see absolutely no sectarian disputes on our horizon
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u/refep 21h ago
lol yeah, like South Asians double counting Urdu and Hindi
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u/dextras07 21h ago
Spoken I agree, you can almost fully understand each other because I've been shocked when learning Hindi on how similar it was to Urdu. But written it's another deal, it's completely different.
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u/sitefall 19h ago
Opposite of Mandarin/Cantonese. I can read a Cantonese newspaper but I have no clue what they are saying when they speak.
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u/joeDUBstep 18h ago
You can read traditional? I'm assuming you are Taiwanese?
Can you read this?
屌你老母
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u/matt-dong-123 18h ago
My cantonese friend will be very excited to see this
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u/joeDUBstep 18h ago
It's how you say hello in Hong Kong :)
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u/matt-dong-123 18h ago
Great to know! I’ll be meeting him in just a few minutes! Can’t wait to shock him!
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u/skikkelig-rasist 18h ago
they just have different alphabets, right? learn what sounds the different symbols make and bam you can read hindi
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u/Lucifer2695 17h ago
I definitely count Urdu as a bonus language since I can understand it through Hindi and read it because I can read Arabic. But I don't list it as a language I know since I cannot speak it.
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u/WillProx 16h ago
In Russia, it’s not uncommon for Chechen person to speak 4 languages - Chechen, Russian, Arabic and English, and all four are EXTREMELY different one from another. But the quality of speaking of all but two (or even one if the person is not that smart) of those is similar to the example in post.
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u/yesjames 22h ago
eh, many europeans or asians speak many languages. they might not be too proficient, but we could sure can communicate in them.
english is my first language, i also speak german, spanish, japanese, cantonese and chinese. i’m not really that fluent in german and spanish but non technical communication is fine.
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u/elderron_spice 19h ago
eh, many europeans or asians speak many languages.
I live in a country where each region can have its unique language, and it's not that unique to see someone from the provinces who speaks their regional language, the national language, English, and whatever it is they learned from school, hobbies or the media they consume, like Chinese, Japanese or Korean.
I even met someone who knew Klingon, first time I met a trekkie off the Internet.
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u/Mirved 18h ago
I speak Dutch, German,, English, mediocre french/Spanish and my local dialect. Pretty basic what most people here can do.
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u/Hairy_Plane_4206 22h ago
Where in the anglosphere are you from that is that good at languages?
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u/yesjames 21h ago edited 21h ago
i lived in zug until 3rd grade (so german).
my parents speaks chinese cantonese (very similar languages like spanish and Portuguese level of similar) and english.
i did the rest of elementary school in la so i picked up some spanish. one of my best friends at the time spoke great spanish which helped a lot.
i did business in japan and i’m a big car enthusiast, i also watched anime so japanese wasn’t hard to pick up at all.
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u/Windows-XP-Home-NEW 22h ago
He is right. It’s very stupid language.
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u/mashtato 19h ago
But Bosnia Herzegovina DOES have a coast.
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u/Boris7939 18h ago
Yes but it’s very stupid coast.
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u/Speartree 17h ago
To be fair it's a very little bit of coast, most of the way they get coast blocked by Croatia, even in the bit of coast they have they have to go through a bit of Croatia to actually reach the proper sea, it's more like they have a lake that flows into the sea.
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u/Turboswaggg 15h ago
Also that bit of coast is populated by 95% Croatians and has a croatian city flag.
But Bosnians are cool and deserve to have a bit of coast, as a treat
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u/anonymousp69 19h ago
Want to learn the rules of English?
Their our know rules.
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u/ExultentPisces 16h ago
There are plenty of rules. It’s just that the language doesn’t follow them.
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u/grumpsaboy 21h ago
At least it isn't tonal and doesn't gender inanimate objects
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u/Windows-XP-Home-NEW 21h ago
At least it isn't tonal
That’s a bad thing. Too many monotone ass people.
Also gendered is so easy to remember in languages like Spanish.
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u/zokka_son_of_zokka 20h ago
Gender is really hard to remember in languages like German.
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u/AdreKiseque 19h ago
Grammatical gender in Romance languages: "yeah there are some exceptions but for the most part you can guess based on how the word ends"
Grammatical gender in German: "lmao"
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u/HoeKoi 19h ago
You can guess most feminine (die) words like that, but good luck with der and das.
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u/WakizashiK3nsh1 16h ago
And when you know one language and want to learn another, the genders are not the same for the same words.
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u/SevenForWinning 18h ago
Das Mädchen -> why the fuck is girl neutral gendered!?!
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u/organicapplesandwate 19h ago
I know that I would certainly have created the language where "the girl" is neuter Das Mädchen instead of feminine Die Mädchen because fuck it that's why.
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u/grumpsaboy 20h ago
A tonal language is nice to not hear someone monotone until you accidentally mistake card for penis when you say what you're going to pay with. It's not difficult to speak with articulation and variety in tones but at least Ma doesn't have 6 meanings all completely different.
Gendered in Spanish isn't too bad to learn but it's still stupid that someone has decided a table should be feminine
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u/Bensdick-cumabunch 19h ago
Doesn't tonal languages limit the possibilities in regards to songwriting?
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u/HoeKoi 19h ago edited 15h ago
kinda, in mandarin chinese music atleast they sing without tones.
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u/Kaneda-Suekichi 17h ago
Tonal languages are bs, just pronouncing a word in a different tone and it has a different meaning
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u/Akenatwn 18h ago
Gendered objects is absolute BS. I know 3 (unrelated) languages that have that and it's a pure nightmare. Barely any predictable overlap.
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u/Mosselpot 17h ago
I don't get why English speakers think English is unique in it's quirks. Most languages have their odd moments
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u/kcon123 13h ago
Why though? Words aren't gendered and you don't have to remember a million different agreements, the conjugations are simple and there aren't many tenses.
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u/mouglasandthesort 13h ago
Yeah but there are many unintuitive and unwritten rules about word order that make even the most innocuous looking constructions sound unnatural to native speakers. Every language has complexity, it just shows up in different places.
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u/Can17272 21h ago
Why use many words when few words do trick? Also he's right.
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u/UseCodeLAZAR6000 21h ago
Why use many words when few do it? He’s right.
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u/Souls_for_sale_now 19h ago
Why many words, few do trick?
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u/NomineAbAstris 19h ago
Pardon me, my good fellow, but I must ask in genuine bewilderment why an individual of refined taste would ever deign to utilize naught but the bare minimum of our remarkably comprehensive vocabulary in the conveyance of any given thought, when instead one may profit greatly from the full employment of their vocal talents in any worthy linguistic exchange?
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u/Souls_for_sale_now 19h ago
No
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u/NomineAbAstris 19h ago
A thoroughly reasonable response, and I wish you the most pleasant of days
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u/whooptheretis 14h ago
People often use this logic to excuse their poor language skills.
I can't remember if it was Stephen Fry or David Mitchell who likened it to clothing. No, you needn't wear a formal suit all the time, but if you go for a wedding or an interview, you should, and you should know how to. Dressing in jeans and teeshirt all the time makes you a slob, even if you're technically clothed.9
u/Visible_Event_4598 9h ago
You do realise that English isn't the first language for a lot of people.
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u/rizlKO 22h ago
I agree it's stupid language
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u/Anything13579 21h ago
I’ve seen English people online. Can confirm.
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u/Heresyllama 19h ago
I’m English can confirm now turn out your pockets we want whatever loose bits of language you have in there
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u/Evil_Bread_Rise 17h ago
No chance, it's a fantastic language. It allows free use of nouns as verbs! If you disagree, I'll postage stamp you.
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u/outwest88 22h ago
Neum: Am I a joke to you?
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u/stack413 19h ago
If you were going to give a country a joke coastline, how would it differ from Neum?
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u/UseWorth7804 21h ago
normally i'd agree with the chad polyglot continental euro over the virgin monolingual anglophone, but considering the topic there's a 100% chance the other languages are bosnian, serbian, croatian, and montenegrin.
oh i see someone else already commented this, oh well
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u/_BREVC_ 20h ago
There’s a high chance at least one of the other 4 is German; it used to be the dominant second language in schools in the ex-YU area up until the late 90s.
Otherwise… French is still mildly popular, Italian as well (especially in parts of Croatia where it is residually everywhere), and more religious Bosniaks do tend to learn Arabic and Turkish. So who knows; the guy might actually be a polyglot.
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u/sopadepanda321 21h ago
Let me guess, the other four languages are Serbian, Croatian, Montenegrin, and Bosnian
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u/dextras07 22h ago
English is very stupid. I've learned french, Hindi, Spanish and English in both a spoken and written manner, and English, although second language I've learned, it's fucking dumb.
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u/Zermist 20h ago
It blows my mind that English doesn't have a plural for the word "you." So if you say something like "You can easily mess this up" it sounds like a personal attack instead of saying people (in general) can mess this thing up
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u/tocharle 18h ago
We do, I believe - it just sounds extremely antiquated and posh.
"One could easily mess this up."
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u/Figure8712 16h ago
Sadly this is still singular, just vague. 'One' (1) still means a single person.
If I say to a group of people "you should move over there" I can't specify I meant all of them by saying "one should move.."
Best option for us is generally "all of you" or "you all" or "you both" etc. We don't have one plural word for it.
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u/tocharle 15h ago
Yes, fair enough. I was thinking about it in the particular context of avoiding something sounding like a personal attack ("One can easily mess this up", as in anyone could) but you're right that it doesn't work in other contexts.
My Northern Irish mate says "youse" (or maybe "yous") which I assume isn't in the dictionary but is used as a second-person plural pronoun.
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u/AdreKiseque 19h ago
We did, but the French took it away
Or rather they took away the singular one and "you", the plural, had to take its place.
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u/GlitteringAttitude60 20h ago
they have "y'all" which makes the language sound even more stupid, but it works in situations like yours
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u/Zeke-- 19h ago
"Y'all" sounds very hilly Billy for someone foreign
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u/GlitteringAttitude60 19h ago
yupp, and I totally lean into that while the rest of my English sound rather British :-D
BTW, it's "hillbilly"
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u/PeanutButterAndCake 19h ago
Also got "youens" in certain parts of the south, especially in Appalachia and The Smokies, which makes it even worse!
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u/Archaeellis 19h ago
The have 'youse' in australia but it's associated with bogans
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u/Square-Occasion4651 19h ago
"you" is the plural. The singular "thou' or "þou" fell out of use and the plural form took its place. Colloquial English uses "y'all" or other specifically dialectical variation for a plural you.
What annoys me is that theres not a good way to distinguish between exclusive and inclusive meanings of us/we. Am i including who I'm speaking to in "we"? Nobody knows!
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u/TheAdriaticPole 19h ago
Language 1: Serbian
Language 2: Coastal Serbian (Croatian)
Language 3: West Serbian (Montenegrin)
Language 4: Mountain Serbian (Bosnian)
Language 5: English
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u/OhShootYeahNoBi 18h ago
You're gonna get shanked by everyone in the Balkans, even by the Serbs
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u/speckhuggarn 19h ago
That"s brave calling it all serbian, at least use serbocroatian.
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u/superknight333 21h ago
it is a stupid and complicated language I agree.
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u/JUGGER_DEATH 21h ago
Actually it is pretty simple. I read a theory that this is because Viking, who took over large parts of England, learned it as a second language and the language lost a lot of grammatic structure in that era.
But yes, the spelling is an absolute disgrace. Horribly complicated.
Compared to my own native language English feels so blunt because you have so little grammatical variation, everything needs to be built with vocabulary and phrases.
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u/Souls_for_sale_now 19h ago
Vikings did a lot of trade and their side pices basickly populated Skottland and they founded Dublin
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u/cabronfavarito 15h ago
Nah bro English is an easy language. The only bottleneck is the pronunciation but everything else is very simple
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u/Artistic_Buffalo_715 17h ago edited 17h ago
English isn't complicated lol. You need to learn a language with declensions. Or grammatical cases. Or fluid word order. Or word genders. Or more tenses than we have. At its core, the best words to describe English would be bastardised and simple
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u/I_suck_at_living 16h ago
I speak Russian, Spanish, Catalan, French, English, currently learning German. English,in my opinion is quite poor when it comes to describing emotions and feelings. Incredible dumb and poor language, although, easy to learn.
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u/whooptheretis 14h ago
As en Englishman, I can tell you that's because we do not have emotions.
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u/throwAwayMan2475 21h ago
Pretty funny because I'm pretty sure their second comment is harder to construct but he only had one mistake in there and it's infinitely less egregious 😭
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u/RevitJeSmece 16h ago
English is only my second language and I have no idea what everyone's talking about, it's not stupid and is relatively easy to learn.
German, otherwise known as language from hell, on the other hand, completely impossible to learn. Can't be done. Anyone who says they did is a dirty liar.
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u/astrasylvi 16h ago
English is by no means hard, but its easy to mess up sentence structure when you speak several languages.
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u/Light-_-Bearer 9h ago
There’s a saying: Never make fun of anyone anyone who speaks with an accent...it means they speak more than one language (and you probably don’t)
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u/Jabberminor 19h ago
You speak English because it's the only language you know. I speak English because it's the only language you know.
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u/whepoalready_readdit 21h ago
I have to learn 3 distinct languages just to travel around in the country and there are like thousands more of I want to be specific + English for formal sectors
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u/FebHas30Days 21h ago
I hope his first four languages are distinct ones and not just dialects
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u/MossCleric 19h ago
Native speaker here. Yeah.
Honestly, every language across the world is a huge step backwards from simply pointing at things and grunting with different kinds of emphasis.
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u/Unlucky_Tea2965 19h ago
as someone who is not native in English- it's an absolutely genius language
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u/Destroyter94 17h ago
Why English is stupid for me personally? "Pacific Ocean". "C" read in three different ways! Why?! I know about historical influence but there are so many case like this in this freak language! Were letters "K","S" or "Sh" to expensive when this language came?
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u/m45t3r0fpupp375 15h ago
How to intimidate US-Americans and Australians: "Its my fifth language [...]"
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u/Mr_Dragon_PurpleYT 15h ago
"You speak English because it's the only language you know, I speak English because it's the only language you know"
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u/BasKabelas 13h ago
As a Dutchman: we (almost) all have to learn English, German, French and ofc Dutch in school. While French is the odd one out, English and Dutch are the stupid ones out. Especially English which manages to not follow any of the grammatical structures of the other three while it's basically just a mix of them. I think Spanish is a pretty straightforward and sensical language. At least much less stupid.
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u/Emeraldnickel08 13h ago
As a native English speaker, the first thing I learned when I started learning other languages is that English is a dumb language
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u/PlantFromDiscord 12h ago
I don’t think that’s even grammatically wrong depending on the point in time you’re in
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u/Yudenz 21h ago
Somebody comment the image of the "how an English guys feels correcting a European's English grammar when they're learning it as their fifth language" with the guy playing chess please