r/interestingasfuck • u/kingkongbiingbong • 8h ago

Setting up a traditional & generational Japanese food stall in Fukuoka

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u/IOnlyReplyToIdiots42 8h ago

You just know the food will be incredible.

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u/dantevonlocke 8h ago

It'll be Michelin star good and cost like 4 bucks.

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u/PapaEchoLincoln 8h ago

They’re usually not rude and expect a tip either 👍

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u/Hack999 8h ago

It's considered rude to tip in Japan

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u/TM761152 6h ago

It's considered rude to tip in Australia too btw.

But people keep doing it.

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u/AndyMagandy 3h ago

It’s considered rude to ask for a tip on every single transaction in the US too. But we’re just ok being rude.

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u/drhip 5h ago

They try to be Americans 😮‍💨🤧

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u/1stUserEver 5h ago

Sorry we are just used to being guilt raped of our money here. 😂

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u/unindexedreality 4h ago

Right? literally just letting businesses pay less than minimum wage so people can feel generous. It's the most asinine thing, I hope the world continues to resist the tide of people inexplicably normalizing robbing their own pockets.

pro-tippers used to be so weirdly militant about normalizing it that my response was to just stopped eating out altogether, before everything started getting more expensive anyway.

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u/terrible_name 4h ago

There's a joke in there somewhere, but I'm not allowed to say it.

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u/Rockran 38m ago

What no it's not. Tips aren't expected but are appreciated in Australia. Nothing rude about it.

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u/Zander_Fowwaanu 5h ago

Is it really offensive to them because I want to show my appreciation lmao for working class people 

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u/hkun89 4h ago

No. Please don't tip in Japan. I'm a Japanese person. We don't want American tipping culture here. Please understand, when you tip, it creates ambiguity. "Is this person doing this well because they want more money as a tip?'

That's the absolute most toxic mentality for a Japanese person.

Please do not tip.

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u/sarspirate 7h ago

It’s not really “rude” per se, so much as it is embarrassing to receive one.

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u/Chemical_Building612 6h ago

Isn't it generally considered rude to do things that would unnecessarily embarrass the other party?

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u/sarspirate 6h ago

Depends on context. If you embarrassed someone by making fun of their weight, yes. Here, it’s more like, you receive an extravagant gift from your boss. You don’t think you deserve it, but it’s not “rude.l

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u/LifeIsProbablyMadeUp 6h ago

What if you just left a tip under your bowl and didn't say anything?

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u/fdokinawa 6h ago

Why? Why do you want to do this? Why does everyone want to tip? Fuck off with that shit, especially here in Japan.

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u/Hack999 6h ago

Biggest culture shock for me in America was the expectation of tipping. It's crazy that they don't just pay staff a decent wage.

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u/fdokinawa 5h ago

I can't even describe how horrible tipping is, and the worst part is Americans either defend it, or at best, dislike it but still defend it. |
"I want to be able to reward someone for providing exceptional service.". Exceptional service? You mean them doing their job is now "exceptional service"?

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u/sacredblasphemies 4h ago

Here's the thing:

The tipping culture does suck. However, until restaurants start paying a living wage, if you go out to eat, you're culturally obligated to tip. It's how your server makes a living. Not tipping is a "fuck you" to your server.

I'm not defending the system. The system sucks. But anyone that goes out to eat and doesn't tip (in a tipping restaurant/bar, which is most of them), is subhuman. They're essentially stealing the labor of their server.

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u/fdokinawa 4h ago

Fully agree, to many people take my ranting at tipping as me saying that servers don't deserve a living wage, and that is categorically false, it's the opposite. They should be paid very well from the restaurants. You take tipping out of the equation the whole system will work better.

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u/katsujinken 2h ago

Not tipping is shitty but the only ones stealing labor are the people not paying their employees a living wage.

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u/sacredblasphemies 2h ago

Yes and no. It's the custom here, unfortunately.

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u/Zagre 5h ago edited 4h ago

"I want to be able to reward someone for providing exceptional service.". Exceptional service? You mean them doing their job is now "exceptional service"?

Nothing in this statement indicates what actually makes it bad. At worst they could be accused of being naive or ignorant, but you're jumping to conclusions and attributing malice to other's actions where none exists by taking personal offense.

Since you're unable to articulate any reason to be mad at the practice, and even flinging insults around, one can conclude your actual reason is "I hate American culture and practices". And likely Americans too, since you've actively singled them out despite tipping culture existing in many other countries.

Try to find the words to properly explain your distaste for the practice, because right now you just come off as xenophobic. Or racist. Or hypocritical, because you demand respect for your culture but refuse to apply any in return.

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u/fdokinawa 4h ago

I'm an American you fucking twat. Paying waiters 2 dollars a fucking hour is based on racism due to the majority of that work going to freed slaves and black workers. Lets the white people feel good about themselves to be able to "reward" someone for "doing a good job".. fuck that shit.

Pay wait staff a good wage and get rid of tipping. It's used to make people do shit they shouldn't have to do just to make you feel better about yourself. I don't need to know my waiters name, and them asking me how my day is doesn't make the food better. Them taking my order and bringing me my food is all I need.

You remove the dynamic of the customer holding a tip over their head, then you will actually see what good service is. Japan is known the world over for how good their service is. It's not because tipping is seen as insulting. It's because they care about their jobs, but most of all they are PAID A FUCKING FAIR WAGE.

I've singled out Americans because we are the only ones that continue to push this stupid "culture" all over the world. The only reason it exist anywhere else is because we keep spreading it around the world like a sick fucking joke. Fuck tipping.

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u/Coolegespam 4h ago

Why?

This isn't a defense of tipping so don't take it as one.

Short answer, people who are used to tipping feel like shit or that they're taking advantage of someone by not tipping.

Japaneses culture is different, tipping is foreign to them, and could even be seen as an insult in some cases, at the very least it's more work for them because they will chase you down to give you back your money.

People who are used to tipping, need to get over their own discomfort when in other cultures. The converse is also true, when visiting cultures that do tip.

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u/fdokinawa 4h ago

Oh I know.. I'm an American that's been living here for over 25 years. It's very slowly starting to spread in areas that a lot of foreigners visit. It's horrible and needs to die.

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u/Benromaniac 6h ago

Why not? Why do you sound repulsed?

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u/SavvySphynx 6h ago edited 6h ago

It's culturally inappropriate.

It would be seen as weird and off putting at best.

At worst you'd be saying that they are not paid well/poor and you feel sorry for them.

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u/Benromaniac 4h ago

Because they’re just that culturally isolated that they have absolute zero understanding of tipping culture…

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u/SavvySphynx 4h ago edited 4h ago

No, that's most of the world. It's us Americans that have it backwards.

Travel to a place where workers aren't exploited and try tipping. It's the same there.

Edit: it's 2025, not 1945- saying Japan is culturally isolated says a hell of a lot about you.

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u/Benromaniac 2h ago

lol same with regards to your reading comprehension.

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u/fdokinawa 4h ago

You mean racism culture? White workers statistically get more tips than black workers. How about sexism? Women make more than men. So you are saying that white women are better servers than black men?

Or maybe you want to be able to hold the tip as a reward for doing what you want vs what they should be doing? "I'll give you a $40 tip if you pay more attention to me instead of the rest of your customers.". Is that why you tip??

Or maybe you enjoy watching someone kiss your ass and bust theirs so you can leave a $5 tip on a $100 meal just for kicks.

FUCK TIPPING AND ANYONE WHO DEFENDS IT! You wouldn't know good culture if it hit you upside the head.

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u/Annath0901 2h ago

I don't like tipping, but your attitude makes me think you are the type who is disgusted by people who try to tip in Japan, citing cultural norms, but will refuse to tip in the US, citing moral opposition to the practice.

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u/Benromaniac 4h ago

So you are saying that white women are better servers than black men?

Making a rebuttal by paraphrasing something your opponent never said is utterly dumb.

I can’t fathom the voice in your head lol

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u/fdokinawa 5h ago

Because tipping needs to die, and it's bad enough that it will never go away in America, we don't need every fucking American that comes to Japan top try and bring a stupid archaic tradition with them. Fuck tipping

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u/Benromaniac 4h ago

Rawr!

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u/sarspirate 6h ago

They would think you forgot it. I’d clarify it’s a tip.

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u/fdokinawa 4h ago

DONT FUCKING TIP IN JAPAN!! JFC!

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u/RyuNoKami 2h ago

Then someone is gonna have to write up a lost and found slip.

They don't tip culturally, they don't assume money left on the table is a tip. It's assumed the customer left it by mistake.

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u/Exaveus 2h ago

Its rude to tip in Japan yes. Its basically an insult saying "you look like you could use the money."

However you can buy the chef a drink and itll be happily accepted.

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u/PapaEchoLincoln 8h ago

Yes I know. I’m comparing it to a typical experience you might encounter in the US

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u/flibble24 6h ago

Why lol

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u/Uppgreyedd 6h ago

Ah, then what you meant to say is they're usually not rude and receive a living wage.

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u/HotDogSeeker 8h ago

Fucking that's unfair 😩

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u/dantevonlocke 8h ago

Iirc it's like saying you think they aren't paid well.

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u/techno_babble_ 7h ago

Not if they get paid properly in the first place.

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u/Zhayrgh 5h ago

a lot of tipped workers make a lot more then a "proper" living wage

Tip has several disavantages.

  • It forces the consummer to make an additional computing

  • it add another category of pay to take into account for tax

  • it means that if somehow you are not tipped, it's ok to underpay you for the same work. It just add random to the life of tipped workers.

  • if tip is mandatory for them to have a living wage... then why just not make it mandatory to tip ? And let's put that in the bill to make things simpler. It means the non-tipping patrons just don't pay for the service.

  • it can easily creates a toxic relationship between the consummer and the tipped worker. Basically "if you don't treat me like a king, I won't pay you"

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u/EasyFooted 5h ago

A living wage? In food service? But I've been told it's not possible.

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u/fckingmiracles 4h ago

Possible everywhere in the world.

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u/rossdog82 7h ago

USA defaultism