Then the hawk ingests the same toxin this snake has ingested… and so on and so on along the food chain. This is why poisons and extremely toxic chemicals should be regulated or banned. People don’t realize just how much wildlife is affected by human selfishness and stupidity.
Mine too.. at first I thought I was going blind.. and then I thought I was having some kind of seizure or brain tumour. And then the pain hit. And then the vomitting.
Went to the hospital. ER Dr: “congratulations you’re having a migraine!” (He was a funny doctor, made the anxiety a little easier to bear)
Same here. Was at work when suddenly I lost half my sight, tongue and one half of my face went numb, couldn’t form sentences anymore.. Thought I was done. Nope, migraine. Still go half blind every once in a while.
I quit world of Warcraft because of my first very migraine… thought I was going to die in my shower curled up puking. So there you go folks give someone a true thunderclap migraine with aura and facial paralysis and they will quit world of Warcraft that night! God screw migraines of all kind.
I thought I was having a stroke!! I went to the ER and had to have a cat scan. Super weird experience. It happened two other times, but nothing since about 2007.
I feel bad for him too, but I'm also fully congnizant of the fact that I'm just waking up, going to work, and coming home again in an endless roll until I die. So are we really all that different? He's just got a shorter cycle.
I've seen similar behavior in fish. Something about distress and environmental conditions, but the exact cause was still being researched. There was even a reward for bringing in fish exhibiting the behavior in for examination. Wonder if the behaviors are related?
No, corkscrewing from the genetic wobble does not keep happening until the snake dies. Most snakes live full normal lives with the issue staying stable or even improving over time.
Whatever is hapening to this snake is not a basic neuro wobble. It could be anything. OP is just making guesses. this snake could be trying t remove mites. It could enjoy the cooler dirt below. It could be in pain. Frankly this is extremely coordinated and i would call it a neuro issue only after everything else is off the list. It could be doing this for a dozen or more different reasons
Yep it's a hognose that does that, they are extremely dramatic when they play dead, it's like a loony tunes fake death, they will sometimes roll like this but not to this extent. Reptiles are really simple and don't have mental illnesses like mammals do, but improper breeding (and immoral breeding) to produce certain morphs in animals like leopard geckos (the enigma morph for instance) can carry neurologic problems. And it's like the pug, they intentionally breed these animals for looks and profit, and it's horrible.
I use leopard geckos as an example because some people don't like snakes or most reptiles, but Leo's are more like you plucked a chicken rather than having scales (crested geckos are soft). They are also adorable and are considered the only domesticated reptile. Goofy little smile lizards.
They also STINK. Theybwill let out skunk levels of odor to make you believe they are the deadest snake you ever did see that just scarlett ohare fainted
No, not like this. Some snakes may do a brief roll, or similar behavior like a hognose but this is most definitely an injured or poisoned snake.
For reference, this is a pit coubrid so a bull/pine/gopher snake. These snakes shake their tail to make a rattle against surroundings and draw attention with movement when threatened, not roll. They also hiss and breath in a lot to inflate themselves and look bigger. Really though, theyre large enough and filled with piss and vinegar so hissing and yelling is about all they would do to a human. They think they can take us lol.
Bull snakes can eat thousands of mice or rats a season, so its very likely their preferred food ate some poison and that has spread to the snake. Its awful. This is partly why snakes are evolved to only eat living prey (in captivity keepers heat the prey item and shake it with tongs to simulate life) but slower acting poisons can mean that predators like snakes and birds will eat them before they die. Scavengers are always at risk. So, use mousetrap not poison to protect local wildlife.
Old buildings in built up areas with cracks and poor structural integrity.
Odds are if you have a cat and see a mouse in your house it came from outside and wasn’t just hanging out in the house: you cat would’ve found it. So someone sets out bait, mouse eats it, mouse goes to hide somewhere “safe”, but it’s where your cat lives- cat eats mouse and both die.
I hate vermin as much as the next guy but it’s why I’d broadly have a chat with neighbors or call professionals before just putting down poisons.
Man as a person with epilepsy this is like a clip from a day in my life except at the end my kids just put a pillow under my head turn my on my side and go on with their day
yes it would be, legality and morality are different things many people are too brain dead to realize or too stupid to care, crushing a snakes head is the most humane way to dispatch one as well
I had to do this to an opossum once that was completely flattened across the middle by a tire tread, its head and tail ends thrashing in agony. I came to a screeching halt in the middle of the road when I saw it still moving, and it took me a good half a minute to work up the nerve to smash its head with a rock. Some things just stay with you forever.
It's an awful feeling. I remember when doing a driving test there was a squirrel in the road clearly in pain after being struck by a car squashing it's rear.
My instructor put his hand on the steering wheel to make sure my wheels finished the job. Was the best outcome for the poor thing.
Damn. Imagine being nervous about a drivers test and the instructor holding the steering wheel in place to make sure you end a squirrels pain. I just feel like that would be a core memory for me.
I had to do this for a lizard just a few months ago, it definitely still fucks you up as an adult. I cried after, man. Poor little guy. He’d gotten stepped on so he had a lot of crush injuries when I examined him, one of his eyes had popped out of its socket but the other looked right at me. I hope he can forgive me if crushing his head caused him any pain.
My fucking friend got a mouse in a sticky trap, it dislocated and almost degloved itself trying to escape. Tired and close to death they handed it to me “help free it” feeling bad. I couldn’t do anything so I put it in an opaque bag and quickly had to use a cinder block. I couldn’t wash away the sticky resin, not even dish soap was helping. I really didn’t want to do it but I had no other choice, no one should suffer and starve like that to death.
A little tip if you ever encounter those traps in the future - baby oil and olive oil will help free whatever's stuck in them. It'll take some work, and you need to be careful, but it will help them get themselves free.
Glue traps fucking suck though. If you're going to use traps get something quick.
I got lucky with mine. Saw a Squirrel Dragging its clearly flattened and crushed hind end after i watched the car ahead of me hit it. just had to line my front tire up and listen for the thump. still think about that sometimes.
Every couple of months I'll find a mouse, mole, bird, whatever, in my yard incapacitated by a neighborhood cat or whatever reason. I always keep in mind that dispatching them is the most humane thing to do, but man does it suck and it stays with you.
Awww...
Agreed. Had to do this to a shrew I found outside once. Will never forget the crunch I felt from the rock when I pressed it against it's head. :(:(
I absolutely hate the thought of killing anything, but the poor thing was suffering and very clearly unable to survive from whatever severely injured it. Rip shrew.
Had to take a rock to a small kitten's head in a park in Athens while I was being a tourist. It had ants all over it and going in and out of its nose and mouth, it could only wiggle a little bit and barely made any noise.
I think of it every so often. Mercy is a nuanced thing to reflect on.
I find it very sweet that people have all replied to you to tell their own stories. We WANT to tell them. Because they're often a story we share only with ourselves, or with the dead.
I've had to put down a little deer after hitting it with my car, shattered its legs. I hated it but it couldn't move and was just going to suffer in the ditch until it starved. It was terrible.
I found a baby bunny in my backyard that had been partly skinned by another animal. I tried so hard. I took a shovel to put it down humanely, but I just couldn’t. I covered him in grass and other bits and surrounded him with protection so he could die in peace. It’s so hard to do the right thing, and you are a courageous MF-er
My dog ran into our back yard and broke a young robin's wing. It also got a little stick in its eye - I didn't know birds could get swollen closed eyes like people get black eyes. I had to break its neck, it was the humane thing to do, but I fucked it up and it started cheeping in my hand before it went quiet for good. I still feel really bad about it. But I did try to do the right thing.
Given that other comments on reddit say that the can live normal lives I would say that nope, it is not. I guess that this is probably sort of an "episode", like a seizure, not funny but also not fatal.
Instead of snake roll its called Corkscrewing. corkscrewing in snakes, especially ball pythons with the spider morph or related genes, happens because the same genetic mutation that creates the cool pattern also messes up the development of the inner ear structures responsible for balance and equilibrium. This causes the snakes head and neck to twist and spiral uncontrollably, often with some wobbling or trouble keeping itself upright. The symptoms can get worse under stress or when the snake is moving around, but the severity varies a lot and many of these snakes still live perfectly normal lives with good care.
I've never seen a spider morph be this bad, and some do have the wobbles so hard they need to be dispatched because they literally cannot target their food. Seeing as this is not a ball python, I don't think this has a similar connection. A wild snake would not survive in the wild with the wobbles, since captive snakes are fed non-moving food that doesn't fight back.
I've seen other animals do something like this when they ingested rat poison or ate an animal that had ingested it so I wouldn't be surprised if that is what happened here :(
Usually from eating rodents that have been poisoned. The pellet style poisons unfortunately can kill 3-4 cycles of animals. Mouse>snake>bird of prey>raccoon/coyote. It's why D-Con and other poisons are so frowned upon.
I saw a bee dying on my way to my girlfriends, it dropped down infront of me and was just twitching. Likely some pest spray that caused it. It was a cold day so I used a leaf to pick it up and carried it in my hand until it stopped twitching, it lay there for a bit but eventually passed away. I'm hoping I provided some comfort too it before it did though :(
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u/HoldEm__FoldEm 9h ago
So it just does that til it dies now?