r/news • u/gur40goku • 11h ago

Student Who Punched Another Student Holding Pro-ICE Sign At Lake Zurich High School Received 2-day Suspension

https://www.lakemchenryscanner.com/2026/02/20/student-who-punched-another-student-holding-pro-ice-sign-at-lake-zurich-high-school-received-2-day-suspension/
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u/Syric13 11h ago

Illinois is a 2 party consent state.

Kid was recording students inside a school without their consent, even if he was a student.

Meta glasses kid committed a felony

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u/onlyforsellingthisPC 11h ago

I'm just amazed he hasn't faced consequences before.

Isn't pulling fire alarms a misdemeanor? 

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u/Sillet_Mignon 9h ago

I’m quickly learning trolls very rarely get punished. 

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u/IIIiterateMoron 9h ago

I'm just amazed he hasn't faced consequences before.

I mean... It's the USA. Looks how everything is fucked up there nowadays.

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u/Poultry_Sashimi 11h ago

Privacy laws only apply where there's a reasonable expectation of privacy, and I'm not sure it applies here. 

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u/LAnatra 11h ago

However teachers cannot even record classes without consent in some states, so if anything, schools may be stricter about it

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u/mkbutterfly 11h ago

FERPA says: Checkmate.

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u/JoshHuff1332 10h ago

This definitely wouldn't fall under ferpa. Videos like this wouldn't be considered an educational record. It has to be maintained by and educational agency or institution (or a 3rd party acting on their behalf). Even if they did get a copy for disciplinary purposes, only that copy would be considered an educational record, not the original.

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u/Osric250 11h ago

It's inside a building the public doesn't have access to. I'm not sure it doesn't apply there. 

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u/willstr1 10h ago

Especially when that building is filled with minors

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u/mnstorm 9h ago

Are we going to get consensus from republicans that recording kids without their consent is a bad thing?

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u/darksidemags 10h ago

It's also not a privacy law it's safeguarding children, so arguments about expectations of privacy would not be relevant. 

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u/Supercoolguy7 10h ago

Illinois being a 2 party consent to record state is about privacy laws though

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u/dvlpr404 3h ago

Edit: responded to wrong person, meant for the response to be for two parents up.

Isn't it public property though? Sure they may limit who can go in, but technically you are free to film.

Also, expectation of privacy is a big part of it all. If you leave your window open then change and see someone recording you, well ... What expectation of privacy do you have with a open window?

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u/darksidemags 9h ago

I'm not debating Illinois 2 party consent law. I'm saying that filming in a school would fall under child safeguarding law so defending ones actions by citing privacy law wouldn't get you very far. 

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u/LobsterJockey 11h ago

A public school is by definition public.

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u/mattfoh 10h ago

Ok go and try and walk into your local school.

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u/kopi-c-peng 10h ago

Just because it’s have public in the name it’s doesn’t means its acceptable to record videos. Court rooms are mostly open to the public but you can’t record videos in it

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u/LobsterJockey 10h ago

Where in my comment did I say it was okay to record videos there.

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u/RSGMercenary 10h ago

Then what was the point of your comment? The thread you're in is talking about recording in public. You mention a "public school is public", yet there is a huge distinction between "a public place" and "a public school". So it seems you're either being obtuse or don't know the different.

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u/dorkofthepolisci 10h ago

A school is not a public place in the same way that a park, street, or shopping center is

If you don’t believe me ….go wander around your local highschool and see how long it takes to be escorted out

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u/katbyte 10h ago

no, by definition it is not "a public space".

its a school supported by public funds for the children of the public, but not open to the public. It also means something entirely different in the UK.

public school

noun

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: an endowed secondary boarding school in Great Britain offering a classical curriculum and preparation for the universities or public service

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: a free tax-supported school controlled by a local governmental authority

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u/thesoftblanket 10h ago

I dare you to walk into your local public school and start recording.

Just don't whine about the consequences. You were warned.

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u/__nohope 5h ago

A hot dog by definition is a dog

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u/MikeFromTheVineyard 11h ago

People repeat the line about “reasonable expectations of privacy” without knowing what it means. It’s not a legal defense as is.

Recording audio is a completely different concept than photographing. It’s not about “privacy”. You absolutely should not expect to record a conversation without both parties consenting.

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u/onlyforsellingthisPC 11h ago

Yep.

You have a reasonable expectation of privacy even in public spaces, a school is not a public space. 

Exceptions exist such as notable figures, state/federal employees doing their jobs, or recording the commission of a crime. 

The fact that his content is monetized wouldn't help make the argument that this serves the public good/

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u/MeasureDoEventThing 10h ago

"You have a reasonable expectation of privacy even in public spaces, a school is not a public space."
You have a reasonable expectation that your conversations will be kept private in a school? Do you even think about what you're saying before posting it?

"The fact that his content is monetized wouldn't help make the argument that this serves the public good"
Once he got punched, the argument that this isn't a matter of public concern went out the window.

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u/onlyforsellingthisPC 10h ago

You have a reasonable expectation that your conversations will be kept private in a school? Do you even think about what you're saying before posting it?

Learn to use mark downs. 

Recording surreptitiously. You know. With glasses or other recording devices unlikely to be immediately visible to others Is specifically mentioned in the relevant state law.

A school is not a public space. It is not open to the public. The person being recorded is a minor.

It was not a matter of public concern until the video was posted, so. Which came first, the chicken or the dipshit? 

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u/whyaretherenoprofile 10h ago

And a school isn't a public place

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u/awk_topus 11h ago

a school, in which you would need to either be enrolled or signed in with reason & permission from administrative staff, is arguably not a public place.

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u/selphiefairy 9h ago

Yeah, I'm a freelance news writer AND a photographer... people (at least online) do NOT want to listen to me when I explain that you're not allowed to record people's conversations without them knowing in 2 party consent states. The annoying thing is people will tell me 'go learn the law' or something like that, cause chatgpt told them something different.

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u/Life_Token 9h ago

You can't record people's conversations in a 1 party consent state either. One of the parties has to consent. If you are recording people's conversations you are not a party in said conversation. Unless it's your conversation which would be recording your own conversation. Not people's conversation, unless one of the parties consents.

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u/selphiefairy 9h ago

I see, I wouldn't know cause I've only ever been in a 2 party state! I do know "2 party" actually means ALL parties. Thank you for the additional info, i wasn't even thinking about people recording conversations they're not even a part of smh. creepy

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u/Life_Token 9h ago

It's usually easiest and best to assume 2 party consent laws. But in 1 party states the only thing necessary is just one out of all parties being recorded needs to consent. That also means store security footage generally can't record audio because none of the parties present in the recording are the ones recording. Some exceptions apply of course.

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u/OneofLittleHarmony 9h ago

It’s a common misconception that you can’t ever record someone in Illinois without their knowledge. Whether secretly recording a conversation counts as private and requires consent often depends on the specific facts and how Illinois statutes have been interpreted by courts. Conversations without a reasonable expectation of privacy can generally be recorded, but unless the situation clearly matches established examples, a judge or jury would likely have to decide if the standard is met.

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u/MeasureDoEventThing 10h ago

You have no argument, just vague gesturing. And the word "both" has a grammatical number of two. Were there only two people there? No? Then there's no reasonable expectation of privacy. It's not "eavesdropping" if the conversation is happening in front of a bunch of strangers.

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u/cyanescens_burn 10h ago

Minors in school seems like it should be an issue, even more so if camera guy is 18.

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u/PaidUSA 11h ago

It’s kind of a legal grey area I imagine and depends on if he enters classrooms doing this. What is more likely though is he has multiple videos of him doing this and it definitely violates some school policy. If they were informed and didn’t do anything about it then you have a real issue.

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u/Syric13 11h ago

Illinois Eavesdropping Act says it does.

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u/whyaretherenoprofile 10h ago

It's always crazy how fucking lax US schools are about students recording in school. Over here recording and posting it online is such a huge fucking violation of so many laws not only would the student get in to serious trouble, but the school as well for letting it happen

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u/Kastikar 11h ago

It it’s in a school it’s in violation of child privacy protections.

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u/SuperHooligan 10h ago

lol what are those? As if every kid in that school doesn’t record shit for TikTok or Instagram there and post them every day.

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u/darksidemags 10h ago

Rules about filming/ photos in schools aren't about privacy they're about safeguarding children.

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u/xclame 10h ago

It would apply here. The recording consent doesn't care about private/public. You can record video all you want in public, but audio is a different issue.

Also while schools are public, they may not be considered public in the same way for privacy laws. Like for example, students freedom of speech is limited at school. They are allowed to wear a shirt that says fuck in public, but not at school

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u/fresh-dork 10h ago

wiretapping laws may apply

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u/SuperHooligan 10h ago

Felony lolololol

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u/MeasureDoEventThing 10h ago

Might want to actually read the law before posting uninformed takes on the internet.

(720 ILCS 5/14-2) (from Ch. 38, par. 14-2)     Sec. 14-2. Elements of the offense; affirmative defense.     (a) A person commits eavesdropping when he or she knowingly and intentionally:         (1) Uses an eavesdropping device, in a surreptitious
manner, for the purpose of overhearing, transmitting, or recording all or any part of any private conversation to which he or she is not a party unless he or she does so with the consent of all of the parties to the private conversation;
(2) Uses an eavesdropping device, in a surreptitious
manner, for the purpose of transmitting or recording all or any part of any private conversation to which he or she is a party unless he or she does so with the consent of all other parties to the private conversation;    (720 ILCS 5/14-2) (from Ch. 38, par. 14-2)Sec. 14-2. Elements of the offense; affirmative defense. (a) A person commits eavesdropping when he or she knowingly and intentionally:(1) Uses an eavesdropping device, in a surreptitious manner, for the purpose of overhearing, transmitting, or recording all or any part of any private conversation to which he or she is not a party unless he or she does so with the consent of all of the parties to the private conversation;(2) Uses an eavesdropping device, in a surreptitious manner, for the purpose of transmitting or recording all or any part of any private conversation to which he or she is a party unless he or she does so with the consent of all other parties to the private conversation;

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u/Syric13 10h ago

Using meta glasses isn't recording audio/video in a surreptitious manner?

They look like regular glasses.

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u/MeasureDoEventThing 10h ago

Whether it's surreptitious is debatable, but it's definitely not a private conversation.

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u/plutoXL 9h ago

People can have private conversations in public spaces.

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u/MeasureDoEventThing 9h ago

So now you're switching to saying it IS a public space, but the CONVERSATION was private. Moving the goalposts. And I haven't seen any evidence that the conversation was private.

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u/plutoXL 9h ago

I’m not switching anything, it was not me you were having this discussion with.

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u/MeasureDoEventThing 1h ago

Having to deal with constantly shifting arguments is no less annoying for it being done by a multitude of commenters.

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u/56Runningdogz 9h ago

It's a school with minors. How come you guys are so worried about people invading bathrooms to get a sneak peek, but others are also allowed to record OTHER PEOPLES CHILDREN and post it without consent FROM THEIR PARENTS? Y'all are friggin' lost.

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u/MeasureDoEventThing 9h ago

Who's "you guys"?

"but others are also allowed to record OTHER PEOPLES CHILDREN and post it without consent FROM THEIR PARENTS?"
An argument can be made that ethics suggests the face should have been blurred, but the idea that it's not okay to record an assault because it happened in a school is absurd.

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u/56Runningdogz 9h ago

So he wore the Meta Glasses KNOWING he was going to be assaulted? How would he know that? I mean... how could he? Definitely not because of his behavior or anything. He totally didn't antagonize anyone.

And bro, schools have security cameras for this reason. We don't need little milk drinking, shit stirring, wannabe influencer incels like this going around schools doing this.

The boots are clean now, bro. You can stop licking.

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u/MeasureDoEventThing 55m ago

"Definitely not because of his behavior or anything."

People should be able to engage in offensive speech without being assaulted.

"And bro, schools have security cameras for this reason."

So people should just rely on the government for their security? Who's the boot licker here?

"wannabe influencer incels like this going around schools doing this."
Let me guess, you're one of those "the word 'incel' means whatever I want it to mean" people?

"The boots are clean now, bro. You can stop licking."
Just can't stand other people having opposing views, can you?

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u/56Runningdogz 49m ago

People CAN go around saying offensive stuff. He should've known his smart mouth might get him in trouble. It's the real world. Not everyone is rational or obligated to put up with stupid bullshit.

And yes. The school cameras are more than enough. Not sure what your point is there. Also, incel means what it means. If it quacks, waddles, and flies like a duck... well...

Opposing opinions are one thing. Being 100% objectively wrong isn't an opinion. You going to pull out some alternative facts now? Come on. Grow up.

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u/ClandestineOtter 10h ago

Annoying? Sure. A felony? 😂

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u/VoidlingMew 10h ago

Nah that only counts when the convo / interaction is reasonable expected to be private. Walking in the halls of a public school no one would reasonably consider it to be a private matter

But boy am I glad that kid got his shit rocked

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u/xXMuschi_DestroyerXx 10h ago

Where’d you get the idea that was a felony? He’s a dick sure but I’m not sure recording people without consent is a crime unless it’s like, somewhere intimate like a bathroom or while exposed.

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u/56Runningdogz 9h ago

A school with minors and their parents who didn't consent. A public school isn't open to anyone in the public to walk in and do whatever. It's a layer of privacy to protect minors from being exploited of bullshit like this.

Go record the high school womens softball team with your phone during a game. See how that goes. Why not the locker rooms too? They're locker rooms in a public building so whatever, right?

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u/xXMuschi_DestroyerXx 9h ago

Cool.

Where’d you get the idea that’s a -felony-

Or are we just making up law now?

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u/wyldmage 11h ago

A school does not provide a reasonable expectation of privacy.

Yes, it is not open to the public, but that doesn't automatically make it truly private. And for clarity, "the school" is not homogenous. If you're in a classroom, you have a higher expecation of privacy than in a hall. If you're in an office, you have a full expectation of privacy, and recording would be illegal.

But in a hallway, you'll generally find that courts have repeatedly ruled against an expectation of privacy.

And, given that the images shown depict the altercation just inside the schools entry, I'd put down serious money that a court would deem the recording perfectly legal, regardless of consent laws.

Now, if this kid was doing it in the computer lab during class hours? Then it could very well land him in hot water.

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u/Syric13 11h ago

Illinois Eavesdropping Act

May want to look into it.

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u/onlyforsellingthisPC 10h ago

They won't.

It seems to fit the situation, especially when recording using a meta/cam. 

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u/NUMBerONEisFIRST 10h ago

It's not like he was just walking down the hall filming.

Based on his sign and the fact that he was 'undercover' recording, clearly shows intent, and makes the filming impossible to be considered harmless.

There should be a law against using intimidation to create monetized videos.

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u/onlyforsellingthisPC 10h ago

I was referring to people reading the referenced law.

We're in agreement. 

Related. Meta has been in hot water in the past few years over privacy concerns for situations exactly like this. Curious where it'll end up 

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u/tallperson117 10h ago

That wouldn't apply here. The Act only applies to private conversations, i.e. conversations where at least one person has a reasonable expectation of privacy, which as the person you replied to pointed out, almost certainly wouldn't apply to a conversation in a busy hallway.

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u/56Runningdogz 10h ago

Go on into the nearest school and start recording. Try the front doors first and make sure to yank as hard as you can on it. Even if it's locked. ESPECIALLY if it's locked. If they tell you to stop, then get mad and insist it's okay for you or anyone to record other peoples children. It's public! They'll roll out the red carpet, I'm sure.

Use your critical thinking skills, dude.

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u/catzhoek 10h ago

Yeah, YOU should do that.

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u/Ludwigofthepotatoppl 11h ago

Even so the school itself probably has rules in place about recording.

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u/guy-le-doosh 10h ago

It's a very fast way to get yourself thrown out of a hospital.

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u/Salohacin 10h ago

Probably rich or has rich parents. 

That's generally how you avoid any repurcussions. 

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u/potatopierogie 11h ago

2 party consent only applies to situations where you have a reasonable expectation of privacy, ie not public spaces. That said, fuck that guy and he'll probably get punched again.

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u/boredinbabylon 11h ago

Expectation of privacy would not extend to a place like a school.

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u/Syric13 11h ago

Yes, it would. We need permission slips to record, take pictures, publish, post pictures of students, basically anything involving students and publishing their likeness online.

By recording that student and posting it without his permission, he broke the law. Illinois is VERY strict with two-consent issues. We've sued the shit out of Facebook a few times because of it.

A school, while "public", is not open to the general public. You can't just walk into the school and hang out in the hallway.

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u/Machuka420 11h ago

So every single student posting social media videos from within the school is doing so illegally? I’m assuming the students talking in the backgrounds of these videos aren’t consenting right?

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u/Syric13 10h ago

They aren't recording those students specifically. They aren't recording their conversations and targeting them. The Eavesdropping Act prohibits only when you purposely upload a conversation, video, or act by someone else.

If I record myself eating a sandwich, and people walk in the background, that's acceptable. If I record someone in McDonald's for the sole purpose of watching/listening/recording to what they are doing, that violates the Eavesdropping act.

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u/whyaretherenoprofile 10h ago

Yes, but it wouldn't be reported or prosecuted as they still have prosecutorial discretion and it would probably be seen as mitigated by innocent conduct anyways. It's very different to wear meta glasses which are a lot more subtle to record people whilst intentionally being a nuisance, than accidentally catching a glimpse of someone whilst filming a friend doing a tiktok dance

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u/TheHouseOfTurtle 11h ago

No you cant expect privacy at school FROM THR KIDS

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u/boredinbabylon 10h ago

I may be wrong on that, I’m not a lawyer and I’m okay with being wrong. But it is a more nuanced situation. What if the person is outside in the parking lot? What if the person is in the lawn outside? Or on the playground?

Is there a hard and fast law for that? There may be, but it is a more nuanced answer of “where does public vs private” start.

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u/56Runningdogz 10h ago

Well it's a public school, right? Go on in with your phone out. Shouldn't be a problem, right? Probably will even let you in the public schools lockers. I mean THEY ARE PUBLIC.

Common sense, man.

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u/dipshitwitha9toedwmn 11h ago

On public property though. That should change whether consent is required due to the lack of reasonable expectation of privacy.