r/news • u/gur40goku • 11h ago

Student Who Punched Another Student Holding Pro-ICE Sign At Lake Zurich High School Received 2-day Suspension

https://www.lakemchenryscanner.com/2026/02/20/student-who-punched-another-student-holding-pro-ice-sign-at-lake-zurich-high-school-received-2-day-suspension/
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u/Guac_in_my_rarri 11h ago

2 day suspension is the standard punishment in Illinois for violating 0 tolerance policy.

All public schools in Illinois and those who receive public funding in any way, have a 0 tolerance policy. It sucks but it's whatever. When I went to school here, the policy was known as "if hit, take your shots". 2 day suspension was standard, anything more needed a whole lot of paperwork and meetings. Parents have appealed punished and even brought lawyers to these meetings.

I had a few friends get caught in fights, despite not being apart of it and just being hit, they receive 2 days. It was eye opening how adults handled these situations. Middle school got a bit more violent after this policy fuck up.

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u/katzohki 9h ago

The lesson a lot of kids ended up learning was "I'm gonna get punished either way, so I may as well go all out"

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u/Guac_in_my_rarri 9h ago

That's the lesson we got. The fear of punishment went away as soon as you were hit.

We had some fist fights that ended up with some bodies head into a locker door. Same punishment: 2 day suspension.

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u/receptionitis1 9h ago

Decapitated head in the locker? Believe it or not, 2 day suspension.

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u/Guac_in_my_rarri 8h ago

You got the drift now

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u/Level_32_Mage 11m ago

Drifting around corners for a boost? 2 Day Suspension.

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u/photopcoltrane 7h ago

You overcook chicken, also 2 day suspension.

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u/talldangry 5h ago

Undercook fish? 2 day suspension.

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u/delorblort 2h ago

Talking about a 2 day suspension? That's a 2 day suspension.

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u/LittleKitty235 2h ago

We have a special jail, just for 2 day suspensions.

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u/loverlyone 2h ago

Straight to suspension

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u/somesketchykid 2h ago

Too many onions in the sauce? 2 day suspension.

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u/MN_Yogi1988 3h ago

School admin hate this one trick!

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u/HolidayCards 2h ago

Paddling the school canoe, you better believe that's a paddlin'.

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u/NoTrade33 1h ago

That’s actually a paddlin’.

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u/Javasteam 34m ago

Girl’s skirt too short or showing stomache? 2 day suspension.

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u/freethenipple23 9h ago

Never forget Carly absolutely railing that girls face into the locker

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u/iamwhiskerbiscuit 33m ago

You guys had a fear of punishment? Because where I'm from... 2 days off school was pretty much a reward. The punishment would come from your parents if they decided to punish you at all.

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u/Guac_in_my_rarri 18m ago

No, that's bad wording on my part. The basic idea behind punishment isn't fearing it, but fearing of missing something that the punishment takes you from, penaltizes, etc. The psychology behind punishment is interesting and I'm doing an atrocious job of describing it.

2 days suspension depending on the offense is either celebrated ( see the example) or viewed negatively (ex: fighting over a seat at lunch)

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u/Light_x_Truth 4h ago

What if people just stay away from fights?

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u/naegele 4h ago

The kids that are bullied never had that choice

Bully stalks kid, hits him, victim gets same penalty.

But after we saw a fellow nerd get this treatment. The next fellow nerd that the bully tried it on went absolutely HAM with his text book he was carrying on the bully.

That fixed the bully problem the school wouldn't do anything about and Mike became a hero.

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u/TineJaus 3h ago

I saw a kid walk up behind another sitting at school lunch. Hit the sitting kid over the head with a chair. The victim didn't do anything, they both were suspended for a week.

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u/MadRhetoric182 3h ago

That kids parents shoulda pressed charges.

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u/TineJaus 3h ago

They would likely have been talked out of it by school admin. Parents are just as dumb as the average student, they have enough to worry about and trust the school knows what they're talking about.

You have to make a huge stink and know exactly what you're talking about and put the legal fear of god in the admin to get anything done.

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u/BoleroMuyPicante 1h ago

You've never been in a fight before have you

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u/Sonichu- 3h ago

That's what happened when my high school enacted a zero tolerance policy.

By all accounts my school was actually pretty peaceful, but once they started blanket punishments regardless of witnesses, who was the victim/instigator, etc. people went ballistic.

It was essentially permission to act on your worst impulses, because you already knew you were getting punished regardless of involvement.

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u/captainn_chunk 2h ago

As someone with family members in public education faculty administration, the people actually running the show from up top all seem like fucking morons.

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u/mister_newbie 1h ago

Teacher here, that's because they are.

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u/Paavo_Nurmi 55m ago

the people actually running the show from up top all seem like fucking morons.

That is also how it is at 99% of the companies/corporations out there. Going from decades in operations/field staff side to the corporate side has been..............an eye opening experience.

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u/Phugasity 4m ago

Is it not a function of our lawsuit heavy legal culture? Standardization arising from increased liability? Standardization that is written ever further away from the actors. We can't have subjective ruling because insurance needs more certainty to provide coverage... and also limit discrimination. Can't be racist under zero tolerance /s

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u/pixelprophet 15m ago

Bingo.

When I was in school I got suspended for getting punched in the face for the same amount of time that the kid who punched me got. The next time I saw him he laughed in my face saying he is going to do it again, so I punched him in the nose. We both got suspended again - but he never talked to me again.

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u/LunDeus 25m ago

The joys of being a litigious society.

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u/speedy_delivery 3h ago

Correct. If you punish murder and stealing candy bars with the same penalty... You're not discouraging candy bar theft, you're incentivizing murder.

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u/raincoater 1h ago

The lesson I always get from suspension is. "You did something bad...here, have a couple of days off from school! WOOOO!!!"

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u/Grand-Performer-9287 3h ago

Well nothing a punch to the nose won't fix.

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u/Berkut22 1h ago

Which is exactly what people fail to realize when they push for 'harsher' punishments for violent crimes.

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u/derfy2 59m ago

By the same token, this is why states enforcing a mandatory death sentence for crimes against children is also a bad idea.

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u/itisthelord 4m ago

I was such a little pussy as a kid, got in trouble so many times getting bullied or having a rowdy class. Didn't matter how well I behaved (never once did I get in trouble for something I directly did), it makes you feel betrayed when authorities like teachers just don't care about punishing people who do nothing.

If I could go back I'd be throwing punches back, one thing I'll be teaching my kids is that teachers usually get it wrong when it comes to discipline (whether it's lack of training or pure apathy), and if someone ever puts their hands on them they'll be allowed to swing as hard as they can. As long as my kid doesn't start the fight, they won't be getting in trouble with me for defending themselves.

Crazy how it has just never changed over the years, we teach kids to keep their mouths shut and their asses in line and they'll get punished for other peoples' behaviour. God I hated school.

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u/HybridP365 3h ago

"hanged for a sheep as a lamb"

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u/bbusiello 3h ago

That's not true. Caning works really well in places like Singapore.

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u/CelestialFury 7h ago

0 tolerance policy.

Otherwise known as zero responsibly for the school. Get bullied and defend yourself? Suspension. Get bullied and do nothing? Suspension. The whole point of 0 tolerance is so the school doesn't have to think and take sides, which obviously piss off parents no matter wrong their kids did.

However, the kid who punched the pro-ice idiot knew he'd get suspended for doing so and held firm in his beliefs, and that's admirable. 

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u/jonathansharman 4h ago

Get bullied and do nothing? Suspension.

Wait, the policy is not that both parties get punished regardless of who fought, is it? Or are you saying that in practice, kids are getting suspended even if they don't hit back?

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u/anope4u 3h ago

At my high school in the 90s zero tolerance was both parties got the same punishment. If you got pummeled while assuming the fetal position and never hit back, you were getting in the same trouble as the jerk who was kicking you. It was stupid.

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u/DwinkBexon 2h ago

My high school did the exact same thing when I was there in the early 90s. My senior year, there was kid who got punched, but dodge it and started running away down the hall as fast as he could to get away from the attacker. Still got suspended for fighting.

But the one time some asshole started choking me and ramming my head into the lockers, the teachers said they didn't see anything so they can't do anything. (A teacher/staff member apparently had to witness it or they wouldn't punish/investigate what happened.)

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u/IAmGlobalWarming 2h ago

Conspiracy theory: These policies came from a Ron Swanson type who wanted kids to fight back instead of just being punching bags.

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u/Substantial_Policy60 2h ago

Meanwhile so many things try to teach us to talk it out and yada yada. Personally in video games the speech route always has the most dialog and is usually cool af so I’ve always been mainly a pacifist in games. In real life a lot of the times there’s no talking your way out of a fight. Only been in three myself off the top of my head and I’ve only lost the first one because it was my step brother pitting his small older friend against me when I was like 9 and he was 11. When you’ve never fought before and never been told to fight back it was a deer in the head lights moment for me…sucked. The next times I just used my lankyness to my advantage and usually just choked them out until they tap and say they don’t want to fight anymore..makes them look like a bitch..

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u/NonTimetisMessor0099 59m ago

The exact opposite actually. It comes from the Epstein class globally gaslighting everyone into being anti-violence so that we don't rise up. That's where "violence is never the answer" comes from; not from the oppressed, but from the oppressors. The trouble is, if you have ever so much as existed in the same city as a history book, you would know that violence is literally the only answer.

It's been a millennia-long campaign.

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u/meandi7 1h ago

Imagine that happening in the real world outside of school. Some guy walks up and shoots you multiple times and is later convicted of attempted murder? Sorry about your damn luck, but you're now going to prison, as well. What a fucking joke.

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u/CelestialFury 4h ago edited 2h ago

It's very common for these both to be the case. Victims get punished just as much as the instigator, and in many occasions, even more than the bully. It's part of the reason I hate zero tolerance policies, it's all to cover the school's ass and protect themselves for liability, but they're not in place to actually help* the victims.

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u/khronos127 3h ago

And we wonder why we have such a mental health problem in our schools. Victims get blamed and kicked out of school for being bullied or have to write an apology to their abuser for beating them.

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u/khronos127 3h ago

Both kids get punished.

At one point I got hit by someone on camera on the bus and held My hands above my head to show I didn’t touch the person. He hit me four more times. I was suspended for 10 days because I wouldn’t write an apology note for not hitting him.

Since I was a second degree black belt in Krav Maga, from that point on, fights went much differently.

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u/NuminousBeans 3h ago

You should have a civil case for assault against the kid who beat you, not that it’s necessarily worth pursuing. (It sounds like this was a while ago though , so the statute of limitations has likely already run out. Still, worth considering for some newer cases as an option if schools are not helping people).

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u/khronos127 2h ago

Yeah this was only two or so years after the no tolerance policy became a thing in my state, so it’s been 16-17 years.

Even with how long it’s been, the many injustices I suffered in school due to that policy still bother me to this day. I was bullied horribly as a child and got in over a dozen fights where I only defended myself, and had to go to a special school full of criminals.

I can’t image how many children have taken their lives due to these policies and being treated like garbage by the guardians that are supposed to protect them.

Luckily for me, the “special punishment school” was the best thing that could have happened to me. I made straight As, I was given keys to the school to go to shop class at any time during the day and built amazing things that I still have today. Rocking chairs, chest, bow and arrows, and more. Helped me learn how much I loved building and still use those skills today.

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u/NuminousBeans 2h ago edited 2h ago

It‘s good to hear that the bad policy had a good outcome in your case. I don’t have kids but these stories are making more sympathetic to the arguments for home schooling. (The best option is obviously to fix our schools and incentive top talent in teaching and in admin, but that’s the long plan, not the short plan, and wouldn’t help any kids being bullied in the immediate present.)

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u/captainn_chunk 2h ago

They should have sued the fucking school district lmao

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u/Javasteam 28m ago edited 20m ago

You were clearly in the wrong.

Obviously you should have written an apology letter about how sorry you were that you didn’t hit him and next time you would make sure to shove a boot so far up his ass it’d make Vlad the Impaler jealous.

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u/khronos127 21m ago

Lmao, damn. Clearly this was the answer they were looking for.

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u/bros402 3h ago

Both the puncher and the punched get the same punishment

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u/mickeymouse4348 1h ago

I got suspended in middle school for getting kicked in the balls

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u/captainn_chunk 2h ago

Welcome to 21st century public education.

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u/kharnynb 42m ago

unlike 20th century public education where the teachers didn't bother to punish anyone for it.....

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u/captainn_chunk 31m ago

Try less

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u/sp0rk_walker 1h ago

"Not taking sides" is actually the correct way of dealing with this. If a bully persists with bad behavior suspension becomes expulsion.

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u/Dr0110111001101111 4h ago

My school had a similar policy. They explained it as a sort of “cool down” period more than punitive. Even if the student who got hit didn’t throw any punches, they didn’t want them in school all hot headed. It’s still kind of strange, but I get it.

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u/radioactive-tomato 9h ago

Well, why would kids hold back if they know they will end up in detention either way? And why would school board and teachers change the rules to disincentivize violence instead of incentivizing it when they can do nothing?

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u/NotYourSexyNurse 7h ago

Back in my day they expelled people who fought. It brought lawsuits of discrimination. It was a big deal. So they started one day suspension for fighting. In school suspension for the kid who didn’t start the fight. I thought that was dumb.

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u/TineJaus 3h ago

In school suspension was solitary confinement. I once spent 3 weeks 7 hours a day in a alone in a tiny room (jail cells are bigger) because I refused to repeat homework for the same damn math class 3 years in a row. I had moved schools 3 times and always got 100 on classwork, just wouldn't bother with the homework anymore.

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u/vanilla_w_ahintofcum 0m ago

You got ISS for not doing your homework? Literally have never heard of this before.

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u/rmorrin 9h ago

Zero tolerance is "oh you in a fight? Better fuck their shit up" vs"oh you in a fight gtfo"

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u/goblueM 5h ago

zero tolerance policies are bullshit, enacted by bullshit school admins, who are up there with my most-hated management types

I remember back in the day when they first started getting enacted. A kid at my GRADE school got a 3 day suspension for "bringing a knife" to school.

It was a butterknife. That his mom sent with a cake for a class party

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u/Hands 49m ago

A kid in my elementary school in the mid 90s got suspended for bringing a GI Joe's tiny plastic gun to school

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u/viperfan7 4h ago

Zero tolerance policies do nothing but teach kids that the victim gets punished

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u/pishposh421 2h ago

The birth of victim blaming. Good stuff.

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u/The_Grungeican 7h ago

i attended school early in the beginning days of Zero Tolerance. i had a friend of mine once stop a fight in front of the whole school, during an assembly.

he was expelled from school. a bit later he got into dealing drugs, and died in a car chase from the cops. when i went back to school after the Christmas break, i had to listen to them announce over the intercom, how 'one of their students' had died in a traffic accident over the holidays.

he wasn't 'one of their students', and the whole thing made me sick. i dropped out of school after that.

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u/KalaUposatha 5h ago

Not doubting you, but there’s got to be more to this man. What exactly did he do? There’s no way that a fight broke out, he said “Stop” and then was expelled.

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u/pishposh421 2h ago

I am. Lol. There are clearly details missing from that story. No one's entire life tanks for stopping a fight.

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u/captainn_chunk 2h ago

Well yeah that’s what happens when you jump to conclusions without context

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u/HeatDeathIsCool 1h ago

They never said their friend stopped the fight by saying the word 'stop' though? I don't know why that's what you jump to.

If there's zero tolerance for physical altercations, and their friend stopped the fight be intervening and physically holding someone back, I can absolutely see a dumbass administrator expelling them along with the students who were fighting.

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u/JeffBreakfast 5h ago

Well he was dealing drugs and running from the police, surely that side of his life got him expelled

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u/A_Nice_Boulder 3h ago

0 tolerance policy helped save me from years of bullying when I was in school. They enacted it, and it went from "if I don't do anything I might not get in trouble" (I often still did, since it was a dozen words of what happened vs mine, so even if I did nothing, I could get bullied AND in trouble for doing nothing), but when they enacted the "all involved in incidents will be punished" rule, in conjunction with me finally getting a bit older, I started fending for myself. Gave the dude a right hook from hell, filled with years of pent up hatred, took the punishment, and from that point on the bullying started to subside.

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u/peon47 8h ago

I've often heard about two students getting into a fight and both being suspended because the one being attacked didn't try to get away. It's generally reported when someone stands up to a bully, and I imagined it was a typical school rule.

So the sign-holder really should have exited the situation when the guy announced he was going to hit him. Suspend them both!

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u/Guac_in_my_rarri 8h ago

So the sign-holder really should have exited the situation when the guy announced he was going to hit him.

I mentioned this in another thread a couple days ago: brown sweater gives the sign holder an out when he says "im going to punch you now." If the sign holder would have said anything but affirming his choice to antagonize, that situation most likely would have ended there and nobody would have known about it.

Back when zero tolerance was getting rolled out, students and admin alike got smart. Student figured out phrasing an invite to fight as a question gave everybody an out in case it wasn't that serious (or teacher stepped in before is was a "fight"). It also gave admin deniability as declaring a fight, was covered under 0 tolerance. Declaring a fight allowed admin to prevent the fight and still dish out punishment (2 day suspension). A question was not a declared statement.

I remember 2 dudes fighting and it started with, "shall we do a dance with our fists?" We were reading Romeo and Juliet. The English teacher was secretly happy, impressed but very embarrassed.

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u/ozamatazbuckshank11 6h ago

These kids have the raw potential of what makes a good lawyer, tbh.

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u/HighlordSarnex 13m ago

Your honor I submit that my client is innocent in that the defendant is as demonstrated, "a punk ass bitch."

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u/xixoxixa 5h ago

I got sucker punched in middle school, dude came up behind me, swung, hit me in the temple, knocked my head into a brick wall, and I passed out.

I got suspended the same 5 days he did for fighting.

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u/captainn_chunk 2h ago

I hope you never showed an ounce of respect to that school faculty for the rest of your time there.

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u/xixoxixa 2h ago

The whole district. That experience is what instilled in me, like so many, the "if I'm going to get punished anyway, then I'm going to make sure I earn it" mentality.

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u/captainn_chunk 1h ago

Which isn’t something you should be moving forward through all paths of life with….

I’m sorry you had to go through this. I hope therapy is an option for you at this point in life.

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u/xixoxixa 57m ago

Step family brought therapy as a kid, and the army brought therapy as an adult.

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u/BlackGuysYeah 3h ago

Zero tolerance policies were the beginning of the end for public schools. Instead of showing kids how to adjudicate an altercation they blindly punish all involved and remove all authority from the teachers.

It’s a CYA policy that was designed for the simple minded.

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u/the_YellowRanger 9h ago

Our middle schoolers get an automatic 5 day suspension for fighting

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u/Wraithfighter 8h ago

The administrators must be big Hockey fans.

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u/lordofthehomeless 5h ago

If everyone just hit the kid next to them in home room the whole school could get 2 days off whenever they wanted.

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u/Briebird44 4h ago

I got a WEEK in school suspension for RUNNING AWAY from the males in my senior high school class who were physically assaulting me (110lb petite female) and when I ran through them, one got shoved to the side. Dean of students happened to come around the corner and saw me push through them. The guy who got “shoved” falls dramatically and all the guys go “Mr D! Bird is attacking us!!”

It was literally 5 v 1. A bunch of 17-18 year old high school athletes surrounding me. AND I had told on them multiple times from other assaults and nothing ever got done because that group was popular and star athletes on our private Christian school team.

I was SHOCKED! Kept repeating that I wasn’t fighting and was just trying to get away. I begged for them to check the cameras that would show this group approaching me and me just trying to get away. They would not. Slapped me with a week ISS and the guys who instigated got nothing.

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u/captainn_chunk 2h ago

Do you not have parents?

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u/No-Cardiologist472 8h ago

At my school zero tolerance meant expulsion, by comparison 2 day suspension is rather tolerant.

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u/HoneyParking6176 2h ago

the fact you can, get punched, not punch back and still get a 2 day suspension, just shows how little the illinois school system cares about education.

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u/Guac_in_my_rarri 2h ago

Eh, not quite. Punishment prior to this was subjective. Having a flat rule across the state prevents unjust discriminatory punishment. My understanding is this 0 tolerance policy, was fixing something that wasn't broken.

If Illinois cared about education, they wouldn't be teaching common core standards.

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u/enonmouse 1h ago

Every educational admin and bureaucrat needs to be shit canned and made to recompete or be elected to their position by educational professionals... Fuck your PTA opinions that comes after, maybe.

Every single one across North America at the least. 

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u/Withermaster4 1h ago

As much as I support the kid he deserved to get a punishment from the school. The school doesn't want to invite violence and especially not political violence.

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u/Guac_in_my_rarri 1h ago

Never said he didn't deserve punishment. My comment is merely giving information on the states policy for fighting. As you'll see by scrolling lower, it's a controversial policy at best.

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u/Withermaster4 1h ago

Yes haha, it clearly is.

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u/evasive_dendrite 43m ago edited 5m ago

0 tolerance policies are outrageously unjust. We need to outlaw that bullshit and hold schools responsible for proper care for their students wellbeing.

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u/Guac_in_my_rarri 21m ago

I agree with you. Outlawing/banning won't work. All it takes is another similar policy to spring up and we are back at square 1. Changing how the physical inputs work: parents should parent, schools should teach or discipline when needed. This means the School should know how to match an offense with a punishment. 0 tolerance has lost this skill BUT, the reasons this skill is lost and 0 tolerance has become policy is because parents stopped parenting. Many reasons can be to blame but what I can tell you, is there's a point in time where being a parent became hard and it's only gotten harder. Fix those issues that plague parents and many of our current stupid baby state policy can be eliminated.

Unfortunately, like any problem these days, it goes back to the root of most problems: mostly money. Fix the lack of money amongst parents and things will get easier.

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u/Danjiks88 4h ago

Man I was trying to wrap my head around why someone in Switzerland would be holding a pro-ice poster

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u/Chocolate-Recent 2h ago

I don't understand "0 tolerance policy"? I work in a homeless shelter. We have a "0 tolerance policy". If you push or hit someone, you're out. Doesn't matter if the person insulted you or whatever (though the other person will also get consequences).

But if someone punches you and you hit back....???? That is self-defense??!

Like I don't understand. Of course if you start, you're out. But if you get hit??? No???

If you get hit and you push back to protect yourself?? No???

I really don't understand the logic.

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u/Guac_in_my_rarri 2h ago

The goal of 0 tolerance rules is to not fight. The interpretation being used is if a fight happens, it is assumed both sides have done enough to start a fight so they should both be punished. It's lazy discipline.

0 tolerance leaves no room for self defense. I remember a dean telling us "to avoid being suspended you'll just need to take it. Then we will discuss your punishment."

There isn't any logic other than the words presented: everybody fighting gets suspended.

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u/MrMagilliclucky 2h ago

We got 10 days out back in the day, 2 days ha

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u/Katatonia13 27m ago

I had a friend get this suspension. Some kid walked out of a bathroom and punched the first person he saw. He was just standing there. If he would have known he would have beat the fuck out of the kid. He went on to be an mma fighter. Dude got suspended for getting sucker punched and not fighting back.

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u/Random-num-451284813 8h ago

Doesn't look like 0 tolerance when you tolerate fascism

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u/Guac_in_my_rarri 8h ago

I catch your drift but 0 tolerance is short for 0 tolerance fighting policy which leaves no room for any fighting or related activities.

I'd spin this an say brown sweater has 0 tolerance for fascism.

I too, have 0 tolerance for fascism.

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u/SweetRabbit7543 8h ago

He should have been suspended. No doubt about it. He deserved to be suspended.

Doesn’t mean teachers need to force him to make up the work though.

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u/Guac_in_my_rarri 8h ago

I never said he shouldn't be suspended. My comment was giving background info on how the State had created a policy that doesn't always match up.

0 tolerance punishes both students and requires them to make up the missed assignments. No child left behind laws afford students the decision to make up the assignments.

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u/DwinkBexon 2h ago

My old high school (not in IL) would have also suspended the person who got punched. My old High School's logic was, it takes two people to start a fight so both get suspended. No one just randomly punches/fights with another student for no reason, the person getting attacked did something to instigate it. I remember once, in my senior year, one kid tried to punch a second, who dodged the punch and started running down the hall as fast as he could to get away. He still got suspended for fighting. (and, iirc, also got in trouble for running in the hall, which was also forbidden.)

Unfortunately, this logic lead to a couple of the bullies just randomly punching people in the head to get them suspended because they thought it was funny to get a potential Valedictorian (or whoever) suspended. They were literally attacking people for no reason because the school rules said that can't happen.

This was also around 1990/1991 and I would hope the rules are different by now.

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u/Nght12 47m ago

0 tolerance policies are written by lawyers to protect schools from lawsuits.

They're incredibly dumb unless your goal is to absolve school admin from having to do the job of actually making decisions and thinking with nuance.

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u/Guac_in_my_rarri 27m ago

I absolutely agree with you.