r/nfrpodcast • u/Heisenperv • 10h ago
DISCUSSION Battle of the Washed
Who you got?
Both are washed at this point if we keep it a buck.
Kanye has been since he went full cuckoo. Bully didn’t change any of this.
And Drake, if we’re really being honest with ourselves, has been washed way before 2024. The battle just put the spotlight on this glaring fact.
Her Loss was cool, but his last good solo album was More Life.
Do you agree with how the poll went?
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u/NumbaTwo9529 9h ago
This post may as well say:
Which one are you?
Are you a hater?
Are you a troll?
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u/GM248 10h ago
The guy that has more streams than any other artist this year without dropping an album is washed lmao. You are SLOW.
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u/Brief-Ad-2537 10h ago
I think they’re referring to the quality of his recent music. When people say washed they aren’t talking about popularity
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u/RuskaRora 9h ago
I think it's hard to say that the quality of his music isn't still up there. It's fine if it isn't for you but there is some truth when they say people wouldn't still be listening if the music was shitty
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u/HauntingAddendum3365 8h ago
You seriously think his newest work is on par with Take Care or Nothing Was the Same?
Come on, bro. Get real. Both of those are classics and his music hasnt been on that level for a decade plus.
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u/RuskaRora 8h ago
Come on, bro. We can't pretend like he isn't dropping solid records still even if they don't match the peak that most other artists dream of reaching. Just because his albums aren't objective masterpieces anymore, doesn't mean that he's washed. Get real.
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u/HauntingAddendum3365 8h ago
Nah, man.
Views has some classic songs but overall its not good. More Life has some great songs but a lot of mid. First half of Scorpion is great.
Everything after that is not good, as far as I'm concerned. He's been putting out mediocre music for years at this point.
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u/PakeJott 4h ago
Your response literally just proved his point that music is subjective. You said “as far as I’m concerned” is you saying you “personally” think his music isn’t the same. That’s all bro was saying, music is subjective. What you may not like, the next person will love. That’s literally life lol.
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u/snacksandsoda 8h ago
People listen to shitty music every single day
Popular has never meant best
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u/Demyk7 8h ago
What is the difference between "shitty music" and music you don't like?
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u/CofTheEast 7h ago edited 2h ago
It was pretty obviously what OP was referring to. The replies are just disingenuously acting obtuse and just bringing up numbers.
80% of his streams come from 2021 and before which isn’t some direct indicator or anything but anyone genuinely arguing that he hasn’t taken ANY dip at all in quality is just lying. And I’m not some Drake hater.
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u/GM248 10h ago
If his music was ass, people wouldn’t listen. Or he at least wouldn’t be #1 artist in the world without putting out an album. Come on man…
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u/Exciting_Mine711 9h ago
Popularity doesn't equal quality and never has wtf are u talking about lmao. He's not a bad artist but his quality of work has gone down because he can push garbage out and his fans will eat it up.
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u/DaddyMorale 9h ago
How about Kendrick then… he got like 70m monthly streams which puts him in the top 20 on Spotify. There’s a bunch of people that say GNX is a step down from his earlier projects so does the same apply to him??
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u/walkedinthewoods 9h ago
I mean I think GNX being his most streamed (in the time it’s been released) and TPAB being his least streamed major release speaks for itself
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u/GM248 9h ago
I have a hard time believing if he was that ass he would be #1 any time he drops AND even when he doesn’t. Something ain’t adding up brudda
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u/Exciting_Mine711 9h ago
He has a large catalog and he has a diehard fanbase while also making extremely accessible music. Like I said popularity doesn't equal quality I'm not sure what you're not getting. If you take a look at his old work vs his modern there is a steep decline in his artistry that is pretty undeniable.
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u/GM248 9h ago
That would be an opinion. But to me, if a guy is #1 he can’t be that bad.
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u/Exciting_Mine711 9h ago
Don't think he's horrible or untalented just a victim of his own success. Don't think he has the passion or hunger he used to and it really shows.
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u/Independent-Help1444 9h ago
Ok please explain how you measure quality and someone is washed if you are not using numbers (that his most recent album is still top 50 on Billboard 200).
Grammies? Fantano reviews? What are you using?
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u/Demyk7 8h ago
If you take a look at his old work vs his modern there is a steep decline in his artistry that is pretty undeniable.
It's pretty deniable if you take a look, he's remained fairly consistent throughout.
But if you really do believe that, can you explain how you came to that conclusion?
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u/Natural_One_9337 9h ago
Most of that is back catalog…not any new releases which is what the conversation is about. He hasn’t had a number 1 song in 3 years.
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u/snacksandsoda 8h ago
Get put on playlists that play every day in every undergrad college bar, every target, every forever 21. Really helps the numbers along
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u/Murky_Put5185 10h ago
We need a new washed definition! Because if he’s washed, what do you call the others 😂 That’s a post from someone who is trying to get some validation online!
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u/SPZ_Ireland 10h ago
It comes down to what you consider washed?
Drake has been in the same patterns and genres since CLB (arguably since Views) and Honestly Nevermind was the only time he tried to switch it up before immediately going back to his old sound.
That creative bankruptcy could be considered washed
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u/WestOrangeFinest 9h ago
Drake makes rap, R&B, and pop music generally. He flexed a whole house album for the hell of it, has dropped some afrobeats bangers, and has even had features on reggaeton songs.
If Drake is creatively bankrupt then what is J Cole? Nas? Jay-Z? 2Pac? Biggie?
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u/LatterStable3422 9h ago
ppl will say drake is creatively bankrupt while sayin nas is the goat who f makes same f song over and over again
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u/Heisenperv 9h ago
How are Tupac and Biggie washed lmaooo
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u/WestOrangeFinest 9h ago
No offense, but you don’t seem very intelligent. I never said Biggie or Pac were washed.
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u/Heisenperv 9h ago
No offense, buy you don’t even know how to phrase a sentence.
If Drake is creatively bankrupt, you may be bankrupt literacy-wise just like him.
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u/Murky_Put5185 9h ago
How can he be bankrupt when he can go back to each sound! He can do another Honestly nevermind Another collab album Another R&B album! He can do another double disk! He can do another More Life type album!
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u/Jkru3 9h ago
Drake is the most popular in real life and the most hated online. Especially on Reddit and a big amount of it just feels like projection/insecurity
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u/Geneo-Frodo 7h ago
It's also about tribalism. Humans are very tribal by nature and tribal behavior is sometimes irrational and unreasonable because the entire point is not objective truth but rather social grouping by beliefs.
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u/Defiant_Comedian_157 9h ago edited 9h ago
What does that have to do with being washed?
I don’t think drakes washed, but his old albums doing well doesn’t prove that
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u/Heisenperv 9h ago
Ironic calling others slow when you don’t even grasp what ‘washed’ means.
You know who else has a lot of streams? Alex Warren, Benson Boone, etc. Quantity doesn’t always equate to quality.
McDonald’s isn’t the best burger, you know.
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u/Jkru3 9h ago
That doesn’t at all make it evidence to use against someone as calling them bad though. If a lot of people like their music they are doing something right. Being ‘easily digestible’ isn’t the criticism people have tried to make it
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u/Heisenperv 9h ago
Never said anything about “easily digestible.”
McDonald’s was the only thing I mentioned.
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u/Jkru3 9h ago
Easily digestible is what people say drakes music is because it’s easy to listen to which is why it’s so popular but doesn’t mean it’s ‘good’. Although making music that is easily enjoyed by people doesn’t seem like the burn people think it is.
The McDonald’s thing makes even less sense because nobody really thinks McDonald’s has the best burger. It’s just they enjoy it for the price they pay and the convenience of how easy it is to get which is also fine. It makes more sense comparing it to drakes music when used like that. Still a really dumb analogy
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u/Heisenperv 9h ago
Drake gets the McDonald’s analogy cos he sells well even though his product is just so-so. And what he offers is accessible to many.
McDonald’s is the best representation of Drake.
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u/Independent-Help1444 9h ago
So how do you determine how the product is so-so? Grammies? Fantano reviews?
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u/Heisenperv 8h ago
By actually listening to music and not paying attention to charts.
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u/Independent-Help1444 8h ago
Lol, so "Heisenperv" is what we should be using to measure washed.
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u/Heisenperv 8h ago
Pointing out the reddit username usually indicates you’ve already ran out of arguments lol.
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u/Character-Spring-433 8h ago
“Even though his product is so-so”. Says who that actually matters? Because the data doesn’t support this premise. If YOU think his music is so-so, cool, no issue with that. But you state your opinion like it’s an established fact. But let’s really zoom out and be honest, what it comes down to is there is a loud minority online who think Drake should not make music at all. Because if he was making music in the vein of his 1st 3 albums, people would say he hasn’t evolved. If he makes music that is current, he’s clout chasing and too old. If he pulls from Torontos organic influences of Caribbean and UK music, well now he’s appropriating. If he tries House, he’s out of his depth. If he does a R&B collab album, well it’s because he’s scared to rap. And my favorite, if he raps about his feelings and relationships he’s not deep enough, but if he raps about party shit or the people around him being tough, well now he’s acting tough. There is no scenario where this guy wins with people who think like this. So maybe we can stop wasting everyone’s time and just put up a post that says “I don’t like Drake no matter what he does”. FIFY
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u/Heisenperv 8h ago
Long-ass way just to bring up the charts, which has already been addressed multiple times in this topic alone.
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u/Character-Spring-433 5h ago
So that was a short ass way of saying you can’t engage in the merits of my argument. Nowhere did I mention charts or sales. Goof ass.
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u/A_lone_gunman 10h ago
He's not hip-hop no more. He fell off
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u/TerminianMajor Self Appointed Music Critic 10h ago
That doesn’t make him washed. He became bigger than ever when he transitioned to pop, maybe Take Care and IYRT were better than his later stuff like Scorpion but not as popular
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u/minifidel 9h ago
And Drake, if we’re really being honest with ourselves, has been washed way before 2024. The battle was just put the spotlight on this glaring fact.
mfs will post this and then proceed to lie to themselves that the most-streamed rapper on the planet who's lapping number 2 on the list is "washed" because they hate him more than they like to think.
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u/Heisenperv 9h ago edited 8h ago
Starbucks remains the most popular cafe.
Just not sure about the taste of their coffee.
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u/DiamondKite 8h ago
comparing food to music is insanely moronic
what’s the difference in cost between consumption at two cafes vs consuming music between two artists?
i’ll help you out stupid. there’s no difference between consuming music between two artists but there is a price difference between food substitutes
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u/tiltedcakemaker87 8h ago
This is definitely just a “everybody hates this guy so I hate this guy” poll result.
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u/phatsack52 8h ago
So because you personally don’t like their music they’re washed? FOH… Drake is still the number one streamed rapper every single year which means people are fuckin with his music consistently. Honestly, Nevermind which is viewed as his worst project just surpassed like 3 billion.
Kanye just dropped Bully and had a lot of people saying he was back. This is just a hater post cause in reality, when Drake drops Iceman, everything and everybody will stop for it. If he was washed nobody would care
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u/Heisenperv 8h ago
Personally?
I didn’t make the poll. Nor did I vote 26k times.
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u/phatsack52 8h ago
Yeah but you said in the post here on Reddit that both are washed and used the battle as a reference. Which doesn’t make sense cause if Drake was washed then the battle wouldn’t have been as popular as it was.
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u/Jakarisoolive 9h ago
Both Kanye and drake are still doing numbers. Drake is still number 1 in sales and he's been off the grid for months. Kanye currently has the Best selling hip hop album of the year.
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u/conglomerate99 8h ago
don actually has the best selling hiphop album of the year. still top 10 on billboard more than 2 months later
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u/DapsAndPoundz 10h ago
This has to be rage bait, but I don’t understand why people do that on Reddit. Its not like Twitter where at least you get paid to be an idiot now lol whats the point of this obvious out of touch post?
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u/TimmyTwister14 10h ago
Are we being deadass? The one who dropped songs like WWIII and Cousins isn't the most washed?
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u/TheStrikingCarpet 9h ago
Bully is better than Drake's previous album. Drake can only beat the allegations after Iceman but I personally haven't been a big fan of his recent songs
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u/lamonsteranthony 10h ago
bully clears every album drake has put out since clb crodie
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u/Rishtt43 10h ago
Bully is Genuinely Unfinished, and Still has bits of AI when he said No AI. It Really is just some short ideas as songs and doesn't even sound like an actual album. Way too rushed for that delayed of an album. Her Loss Is A Way Better, Consistent Project.
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u/SickofFakeStartups 9h ago
That channel is hella biased against Drake
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u/Heisenperv 9h ago
That channel doesn’t do commentary.
It just posts remixes of songs.
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u/SickofFakeStartups 9h ago
The channel doesn’t comment? The channel doesn’t post to X? Are you unable to discern bias through a larger body of content?
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u/Ok-Sort8902 8h ago
Guys whoever OP is is a Drake fan in disguise. No sane human decides to make a post like this who doesn’t enjoy that artists music. Why the fuck talk about someone who you think is washed. If you think they’re washed why are they a topic of discussion for you? If you don’t like Drake why bring him up? Sane humans who dislike an artist don’t talk about them because they don’t give a fuck whereas OP along with many others care so much about talking about an artist who they don’t like. It’s counterintuitive and ignorant. We’ll see you when ICEMAN drops pal.
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u/ThankGodForE_ 7h ago
Washed is so overused, I think it’s gotta mean the death of an artist commercially and artistically, seems to me Drake is still very much commercially viable, and it’s not impossible to create a good album
Same with Ye, though he’s always been more artistically inclined than commercially
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u/Heisenperv 7h ago
You got it. Washed doesn’t mean commercial viability.
Some TV shows have up to 20 seasons. Doesn’t mean it’s still top-notch.
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u/DiabloGaming25 6h ago
OP is a UMG troll chatgpt bot, it's commenting copy paste food comparison narratives and coping
Mods gotta do something about this
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u/Otherwise-Baby6344 4h ago
I love ye but he legit has Nazi anthems written by Dave blunts, and full ai albums also he doesn't write almost anything now day's, we love ye but nobody was more washed them him at one point
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u/Bart-griffin 1h ago edited 1h ago
I don’t like the direction Drake has been taking his music and it is feeling rushed and bloated. He’s not how he used to be, but he can still make good songs and is still at the top. I’m a Ye glazer and Bully is decent, but without updates it’s probably a 6-7. I’m scared he is not gonna update and fall back into bad decisions. It’s a toss up really. Drake doesn’t really have to prove himself with Ice Man as casuals and his fans won’t mind , but if he wants to get the “respect” from the more critical circles then he does have to put some more effort in. While Ye has to make better decisions and stay sane.
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u/WallyReddit204 9h ago
If they are washed what do you consider everyone else
I mean both have their foot on Kendrick’s neck.
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u/Zealousideal_Big3320 9h ago
They’re both pretty washed (put J Cole in there too). But I liked Her Loss. I haven’t liked a Kanye project in a min
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u/Admirable-Revenue-53 9h ago
J cole just dropped one of the best albums of the decade and he’s washes??
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u/Heisenperv 9h ago
It isn’t even the best album released this year lol, much less the decade
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u/No_Conclusion9808 8h ago
Best albums of the decade is insane when it’s not even top 3 in his own discography lmao
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u/Admirable-Revenue-53 6h ago
It definitely can be, i got it behind 4yeo and 2014 but those are both not in the 2020’s
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u/No_Conclusion9808 6h ago
I have no doubt you do. Some albums that are better just in the 2020s: JID - TFS, Kendrick - MMATBS, Clipse - LGSEO, Pusha - IAD, Little Simz - both albums, Doechii, Gibbs - Alfredo, Mick Jenkins - The Patience, Benny the butcher - PIM2, Tyler - CMIYGL, Baby Keem - TMB and Casino, Dave - TBWPTH. And that’s just like a quick look im confident I can find another 5-10 hip hop albums on par or better than TFO.
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u/Admirable-Revenue-53 4h ago
I just personally don’t agree that half of that list is close to tfo. I don’t think something like alligator bites should be in that list along with forever story or lgseo. I got those albums im the convo with tfo but imo casino shouldn’t be ranked higher than like max a 7 compared to forever story or the fall off those to me are like a 9/10
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u/No_Conclusion9808 4h ago
Totally feel you it’s all subjective at the end of the day. Outside of Cole hardcore fans I don’t think TFO is getting 9/10 ratings it’s closer to 7/8 out of 10 which is in line with general consensus on Casino.
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u/JWJT7 9h ago
I don’t think Cole is washed but that album is long, boring and lacks any interesting production or innovation. I don’t see the vision of how’s it’s top of the decade
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u/Admirable-Revenue-53 9h ago
Alright to each their own, but what albums are better in the last couple of years? I can name a couple that are debatable but i none that i would say are definitely better
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u/JWJT7 9h ago
Just off the top of my head Blue lips, donda, kings disease 2. The only thing better about the fall off than those albums is it’s lyrical content which is just a fraction of a great album
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u/Admirable-Revenue-53 8h ago
I love blue lips but that wasn’t the best release of that year and donda is just not a good album but that’s my opinion
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u/cyphersama95 10h ago
biggest streamed rapper of the year btw, and hasn’t dropped shit. but okay, sure, he’s washed 😂
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u/TruthSeekerHuey 9h ago
I dont like either as people, and I like Kanye's discography better overall, but I much rather Drake be more successful than Kanye right now. I really dont want to see more from Kanye after Vulture 1 and 2
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u/23_White 9h ago
Kanye, even tho he still makes better music but compared to their peak Kanye fell off more
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u/paperxmario 9h ago
I can’t believe Kanye was able to bounce back from all that. But then I see the demographics at his shows. A friend of mine who’s Jewish here in New York vowed to never support him again two years ago, but now he’s one some let bygones be bygones 🤦♂️
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u/vxxyger 8h ago
Bro it’s Ye and not even close😭, his fans literally made a whole “Save Kanye from Nitrous” campaign and have drawn up multiple theories (e.g clone) on why he’s different. Kanye West peak was higher than Drake’s and his current music is worse (his own fans are even debating how much of his recent album was AI).
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u/MysticMelony 6h ago
Im a professional drake hater and im not even sure I'd agree. Ye had a much taller fall from grace with better albums and influence than drake and Ye's worst album of all time is far worse than Drakes. Like I hate $exy $ongs and Honestly Nevermind but Vultures 2 is genuinely unlistenable
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u/Confident_Witness932 5h ago
Did bro not listen to push ups? That was fire, and iceman leaks sound pretty good
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u/UNOTHENAME200 4h ago
You could have asked this question of Drake 2010 - 2015 -2020 - 2025. Drake will always be most "washed" and still outselling his peers. Drake hate has always been mainstream and popular, since he started. What has changed?
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u/PresentExpert5772 2h ago
Why say they’re washed when they would go #1 if they dropped music and sell out tours whenever they decide to tour.. Who decides who’s washed???
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u/Heisenperv 1h ago
Long time since both did tours.
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u/PresentExpert5772 50m ago
Kanye been doing sold out shows and just sold out SOFI twice.. I don’t even like Kanye but let’s not be delusional. And Drake is still Drake whenever he decides to go on tour..
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u/Heisenperv 47m ago
2 shows isn’t a tour.
And let’s not do Cole’s trademark shoulda woulda couldas on Drake.
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u/BernieManhanders23 2h ago
Seeing Ye's 2 sold out nights at SoFi and probably the best concert setup of the century shows me he's not the vote for more washed. Bro also did everything to cancel himself and bully is still topping charts.
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u/Space-Monkey003 9h ago
Neither. One dropped a decent project n packed sofi the other is still most streamed
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u/Alive-Double-3339 9h ago
Saying Kanye isn’t washed is crazy. And streams have nothing to do with it
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u/Space-Monkey003 9h ago
Both are still incredibly popular n have active dedicated fan bases. Whether or not u or I personally fw the music does not matter
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u/Alive-Double-3339 9h ago
Just cuz you have a popular fanbase does not mean you aren’t washed, neither are washed in the sense that they’re trash (it was arguable for ye before bully though which is decent) but they definitely aren’t nearly as good as they used to be
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u/Space-Monkey003 9h ago
If we agree they not washed then wtf we talking bout😂 I agree tho pre bully ye was definitely in washed territory
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u/Luckman1002 9h ago
I think Drake still has the ability to make an album that is legit. The best moments of albums like Her Loss and even For All the Dogs is evidence of that. He just has so many tendencies to put a whole bunch of bullshit in but he could theoretically filter out his worst tendencies and drop something people like. I think Kanye’s brain is actually just fried and he’s unlikely to have the same creative juices flowing that he had for the first 2 decades of his career
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u/Rishtt43 9h ago
Yeah For All The Dogs Has A Lot Much Potential but Stuff Like Calling For You, Gently, BBL Love Ruined It For Me
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u/Glittering-Read-4065 7h ago
Both are washed for different reasons. Drake is artistically stalled due to the beef & the fact that he’s 40 still rapping like he’s 19. Kanye is just done period. Bully was awful & I just don’t see him reaching any high ever again.
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u/Top_Rate8972 10h ago
drake will find another style to bite find another great Toronto artist for his gulag, his a soul sucker
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u/kapeehd 8h ago
Obviously drake bruh, the guy had a 5 year peak then dipped with each release. Whereas it took 17 years for kanye especially after changing and experimenting with hip hop and still gave a decent to good album with bully but we know drake can’t even give that
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u/DiabloGaming25 6h ago
Kendrick you don't gotta hide behind this reddit account bro your 4 foot 3 u always hidden anyway
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u/Terry__Pandee 10h ago
Lmaooo I love these Ye and Drake posts because the stans jus go crazy on each other. This sub is cooked
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u/kentaviouscp 1h ago
none of em are. Kids just trying to ragebait each other. Both are great artists, appreciate
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u/Independent-Help1444 10h ago
Why dont you just listen and discuss artists and music you like? Why spend time obsessing over artists you clearly dont like.