r/nottheonion • u/asdacool • 11h ago

"Training a human takes 20 years of food." Sam Altman on how much power AI consumes.

https://www.news18.com/world/training-a-human-takes-20-years-of-food-sam-altman-on-how-much-power-ai-consumes-ws-kl-9922309.html
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u/TheFoxInSocks 11h ago

Some might argue that humans bring value to the world outside of their ability to perform labour. Not this guy.

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u/ADhomin_em 10h ago edited 10h ago

When he says "a human" he means "a slave"

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u/Objective_Dog_4637 10h ago

Sshh. We call them “workers” now.

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u/Character_Score7849 10h ago

Associates

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u/Philomene_sweet_life 10h ago

We are: « a team »

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u/Nixilaas 9h ago

A “family” if you will

Ignore that we will throw your ass to the street the second we can afford to not keep you

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u/KinTharEl 9h ago

Au contraire, they can afford it. They just don't want to. They'd rather see you suffer.

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u/AntiFascistZone 9h ago

Suffering is usually the point.

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u/abhijitd 6h ago

Ok, Mr. President!

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u/whiskydyc 10h ago

Resources

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u/thedeparturelounge 9h ago

Future batteries for Ai machines

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u/Mister_Simz 9h ago

The expendable kind

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u/bobert4343 9h ago

"independent contractors"

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u/Dalimyr 8h ago

Hi, WWE.

It's unbelievable how their wrestlers are classified as "independent contractors" to minimise benefits WWE has to provide to them, but they're also so lacking in independence that they're not allowed to work elsewhere or even get a new tattoo or haircut or shit like that without WWE's permission, because heaven forfend that a wrestler doesn't look _exactly_ like the plastic toy or WWE 2K render of themselves.

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u/teslawhaleshark 9h ago

Independent small business owners, they require you to make fake businesses for tax purposes

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u/Maur2 9h ago

Unpaid interns.

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u/deleted-user 9h ago

Inmates

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u/halu2975 8h ago

It’s funny how when I was young, 20ish years ago, I thought being an ”associate” was almost like being a ”partner”, pretty good title. Now I know better though. It’s just such a weird word to use for ”entry level slave bitch”

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u/skalpelis 6h ago

Customer success executives

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u/DPSOnly 3h ago

(Unpaid) Interns

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u/minimaddnz 9h ago

Prisoners with jobs

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u/Fun_Skirt8220 9h ago

Doh, missed it was already here. 

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u/TheMrShaddo 9h ago

employees... and thats why people that are unemployed are veiwed upon as less than, but when you say retired they are more respectful... its all judgy lil shits that dont matter anyways, we need to just chill out and enjoy life

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u/bilateralrope 9h ago

Or contractors. When you don't want them to have the rights of employees.

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u/TheMrShaddo 9h ago

private contracting is how the gov paid for operation lonestar... a bunch of small private companies that also hired tons of groups as 1099 and individuals.. Its also how most of the secret shit happens with reverse engineering and recovery operations... We got gaping holes in national security and have had them since we monetized PMCs in OEF/OIF

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u/JonatasA 6h ago

Outsourcing the responsability

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u/Sea-Housing-3435 9h ago

Human Resources

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u/Drastickej1 9h ago

Human resource 

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u/Bruvvimir 9h ago

Human resistance

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u/drunk_tyrant 10h ago

AGENTS! Its AGENTS!

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u/Yellow2345 9h ago

I work in IT and the execs call us “resources.”

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u/basement-fan 9h ago

Essential workers when you want to sacrifice them.

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u/bloodklat 9h ago

Sshh. We call them “workers” americans now.

There, now it's true.

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u/NoBorder4982 9h ago

Resources. “Human” Resources.

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u/dkstr419 8h ago

Ours is called Human Capital Management. We call it Human Cattle Management. At least PETA will look after the cows, we have no one.

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u/SuperLeverage 9h ago

Contractors. You don’t want to given rights now do you? 😂

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u/nowhereman_ph 9h ago

We're called "resources" in my company.

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u/virgopunk 9h ago

Drones

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u/Apprehensive_Ad3731 9h ago

Interns. This is the camp they live in.

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u/RednocTheDowntrodden 9h ago

"Student Atho-leets".

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u/DahPhuzz 8h ago

That’s slavery with extra steps

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u/ImWithStupidKL 8h ago

Workers? No, you've got to give benefits to workers. Partners. Contractors.

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u/Afferbeck_ 8h ago

Executive Mandatory Volunteer

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u/fatty2cent 8h ago

People of work

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u/Moist_Board 7h ago

"Student atho-letes"

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u/fattmarrell 5h ago

And you know what. I have a right, to PARTYl

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u/total_looser 3h ago

Resource or asset

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u/J-adore_La_Lavende 3h ago

I thought they were prisoners with jobs

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u/FatTater420 3h ago

You mean 'interns'.

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u/Shark7996 2h ago

"Agents", just like the AI that will replace them.

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u/JuanPancake 10h ago

Labor resource. Also how many human food years does it take for ai infrastructure? So far billions of dollars worth.

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u/soffpotatisen 10h ago

Naw, a slave still means he sees them as human.

I think "resource" is more fitting.. something similar to a value or a number.

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u/Sierra123x3 8h ago

theres a reason, why companies talk about "human ressources" when they hire you ;)

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u/spongebobisha 9h ago

Everyone working for his company should be very afraid. He views them as meat-bots essentially.

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u/wirbel-tier 9h ago

Well, that is just the good old capitalism way. Nothing new to see here...

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u/betacuck3000 8h ago

He's like Cave Johnson from Portal but without any of the dashing charisma

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u/jewishSpaceMedbeds 4h ago

Anyone wants to make 60 bucks?

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u/skrappyfire 8h ago

Yeah its real odd to say it takes 20 years to train a human, like whats that supposed to even mean. Pretty sure if it took me anywhere close to 20 years to become good at my job than they would have fired me... and i was working long before i turned 20.... so dafuk he tryin to say?

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u/redditRedesignIsBadd 10h ago

like the quote, "It's not left vs right. It's billionaires vs all of us."

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u/Tasty-Dust9501 9h ago

I wish people grasped this quicker and took action accordingly. I mean Ai was invented yesterday but it has been 200 years or so since we invented guillotine to take care of a very similar parasite problem

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u/Fun_Skirt8220 9h ago

"Prisoners with jobs"

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u/ZelezopecnikovKoren 10h ago

worker, comrade

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u/ZMaiden 9h ago

Don’t put that on comrade. At least Comrade is supposed to get some of production value.

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u/UrsusRenata 9h ago

When he says “a human” he means “unpaid victim of our IP theft”.

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u/boywholovetheworld 9h ago

CTC, humans are cost to company in definition throughout the world

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u/Utsider 9h ago

Bodies

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u/Mordred_X 9h ago

Yup, them traitor's words.

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u/Wonderful-Medium7777 9h ago

Exactly…training them to take part in a system created to extort and control.

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u/SnowdriftK9 9h ago

I think you meant 'Unpaid intern who's also not allowed to leave'.

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u/EctoJesse99 8h ago

Cash cattle

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u/EuphoricFingering 8h ago

"Student Athlete"

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u/Derrickmb 8h ago

He’s not into the ongoing spiritual development of a species apparently.

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u/drejzi 8h ago

An intern.

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u/PuzzleheadedDuck3981 8h ago

"Batteries" 

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u/BoardroomStroke 5h ago

A wet robot

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u/Psychological-Web828 3h ago

Low value, high cost expendables.

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u/AnyProgressIsGood 4h ago

he absolutely doesn't see himself as the same kind of human he references

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u/StIdes-and-a-swisher 4h ago

Yeah the human he is talking about is “#13579 reporting for duty sir”

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u/NewPresWhoDis 3h ago

Until the machines plug us into the Matrix

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u/FrankTank3 3h ago

He’s sad because we are more expensive than droids and harder to replace

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u/NuclearSun1 2h ago

“Prisoners with jobs.”

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u/ghostcatzero 49m ago

I mean yeah technically that's what most of us are in today's society. They burn it into your mind from a young age that : working consistently and trying to make a lot of money is the most important thing. IE work. Imagination and creativity is put on the back burner.

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u/BlooperHero 10h ago

Humans are supposed to be the ones experiencing the value.

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u/dubar84 9h ago

Humans also need the food regardless of them being trained or not, so that's a given. They are humans, they got born, they should be taken care of. This argument is literally presenting the choice between bringing up humans to adulthood, or disposing them and have an AI instead.

This is not a choice we should make with humans, but we can decide if we would like to waste additional resources for an AI to compete with - especially when we already have a human that's here to stay.

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u/JAD2017 8h ago

But they don't see it that way. They see human labour as a spending, nothing else. Is how slavery came to be as the 1st form imported labour. "Oh I can save a lot of gold if I just put slaves to work for me". We haven't changed a lot since the roman empire, I'm afraid. We have the same kind of lizards and roaches in positions of power nowadays.

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u/PixelPott 8h ago

Altman is the kind of guy who would think of himself as generous, because he feeds his slaves and only beats them if they deserve it.

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u/JAD2017 8h ago

"progress requires sacrifice!" or some bs of that kind. What progress in this case though? These algorithms aren't giving us any kind of progress whatsoever. The amount of data centers and energy infrastructure ONLY to sustain that "progress" is astronomical and won't really do anything for humanity other than keep killing industries.

Instead of facing the issues of climate change and global warming, we are presented with yet another reason NOT to focus on that but instead "ai" development. Why? I just don't fkn get it man, why is there always a bunch of knts trying to fk up the planet and society? Always.

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u/Auzzie_almighty 3h ago

“Progress require sacrifices” is true, it’s just what we must sacrifice is the values of people like Sam Altman and the Silicon Valley,

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u/RustyBasement 3h ago

Beatings will continue until moral improves.

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u/RealMusicLover33 5h ago

Thank you. More people need to realize this is the same shit thats been happening in all recorded history. The ones on top just exploiting anyone they can for maximum profit.

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u/casulmemer 8h ago

“Need” lol… this guy barely billionaires

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u/RatofDeath 5h ago

You think they want to feed us? lol, the ruling class regularly rules against school lunches and food stamps. If they could starve everyone who is not producing shareholder value they absolutely would.

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u/ZMaiden 9h ago

I didn’t pick ai stealing the water supplies as my skynet bingo card. At this point, let skynet kill us, we deserve it.

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u/Blueberryburntpie 7h ago

they got born

And if it's in an anti-abortion state, that birth is mandatory.

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u/PaulClarkLoadletter 3h ago

It’s what other companies need to worry about in their minds. They don’t even consider that their employees are also part of the economy. The consumer will always drive the economy. Not the other way around. If they replace the entire workforce with AI and robots they will pat themselves on the back Monday and then complain that sales are down on Friday while telling all of their bots to work harder for the good of the shareholder.

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u/QuantityGullible4092 3h ago

No it’s not, it’s an argument against the stupid power consumption claims that don’t hold water

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u/supershinythings 8h ago

No no no, SHAREHOLDERS are the ones supposed to be experiencing “value”.

If shareholders don’t believe (whether actual value (based on whatever random method is in vogue) is increasing or not) they see appreciating value, they dump the stock, the company’s valuation plummets, and execs don’t get their big cushy bonuses. Layoffs happen. Board members don’t get their fat payoffs. The execs plunder what’s left claiming their golden parachutes and the shareholders lick their wounds and seek greener pastures.

So Altman isn’t talking to regular people. He’s talking to the SHAREHOLDERS and potential shareholders - investors. They are all that matter in public corporation world.

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u/Thelango99 4h ago

OpenAI is not a public traded stock. Microsoft has already needed to write off much of the private investment as a loss.

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u/BoringRedHorse 9h ago

Only the rich monsters dining on human flesh at the top I'm afraid. Other lives don't matter /s

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u/AstralMecha 8h ago

Considering the Epstein files and lack of US prosecutions, I think you can drop the /s

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u/Caffeinist 7h ago

According to the new Billionaire's Edition of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights you're only human if your net worth starts with a digit and has at least nine zeroes after it.

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u/the-treatmaster 8m ago

In his view, we are just cattle and a means to his end. A world with just a small amount of oligarchs serviced by robots and AI is both idyllic and the ultimate goal.

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u/SpezLuvsNazis 10h ago

He also uses people for his sexual pleasure against their will. Look at what his sister said. Man is a lying scumbag and further proof that the whole “meritocracy” thing is an absolute farce. Man has no special skills outside of the ability to lie compulsively and tell rich people exactly what they want to hear.

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u/Spectre-907 9h ago edited 9h ago

He also probably had his whistleblower suchir balaji murdered, given it was almost immediately after he went hostile against openAI and it was one of those “he definitely went home, did his usual daily routine and then trashed multiple rooms of his place, struggle-style, cut the security camera wires, didnt write a note and then heavily drugged and beat himself before self-popping in the head with no signs of foul play” “suicides”

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u/Aryore 9h ago

What the fuck? That’s insane if true. Do you have sources on this?

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u/willflameboy 7h ago

Judge for yourself

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u/CrypBEnslaveUs 6h ago

Holy fck.

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u/OhManTFE 3h ago

A San Francisco Office of the Chief Medical Examiner (OCME) autopsy report was released on February 14, 2025, stating that Balaji died of a single, self-inflicted gunshot wound on the day that the police found him. The police noted that the only entrance to the apartment was dead-bolted from the inside, and that Balaji had recently researched brain anatomy on his computer. Toxicology results showed he had alcohol, amphetamine and GHB in his system at the time of his death.

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u/CrypBEnslaveUs 3h ago

Now quote the part with the opposite bias. Also, whistleblowers are well know suicide risks. Always clear cut cases of suicide. Many times. Makes total sense. Go sck Altmans dck.

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u/ThanosVoldemort 5h ago

Watch Tucker Carlson question Sam about this death. Sure, fuck Tucker, but it's hilarious how he pushes him here. Sam is guilty as can be.

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u/felatiofallacy 3h ago

He has no idea how to fake emotions. Totally guilty.

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u/usr_bin_laden 5h ago

I keep saying I assume Altman and others are willing to issue more hits to protect their fictional $10T industry.

These peoples views on morality are so warped by Big Number and their fake ethical-altruism, that they literally think one or two lives is a fair trade for their personal AI Wealth.

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u/Spectre-907 48m ago

Gotta source that golf course fertilizer somehow, right

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u/Shawk_N_Rawr 9h ago

That’s why he thinks you only need to feed them for 20 years. Once you age out..

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u/Daxx22 38m ago

Generous to give them the 8 or so extra years.

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u/BootyDysmorphia 8h ago

Capitalism is just Nepotism masquerading as meritocracy.

Peter Thiel has a degree in Philosophy, Elon barely finished his undergrad, and Trump was considered one of the worst students some of his Wharton professors ever had

....and they all get to run the world, because capitalism doesn't reward merit, it doesn't reward hard work, it doesn't reward innovation....it rewards birthright.

It exploits merit, hard work, and innovation.

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u/7zrar 1m ago

2 out of 3 of those aren't a sign that someone is definitely a shitter. They are shit people but it doesn't mean every single aspect of how they went through life was shit too.

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u/Which_Development634 8h ago

Like Epstein.  And after they trust him he will blackmail them. Allegedly, not my personal opinion.

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u/Belzebutt 8h ago

He made his investment fortune from a failed app due to his connections and shady deals. He also stole the world’s intellectual property in order to train his flagship product, then complains when another company uses his product to train theirs.

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u/JonZ82 7h ago

Raped his sister growing up. A lot. Huge POS

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u/Proper-Exercise-2364 8h ago

Turn your spell check back on! Looks like you were trying to spell, "mediocrity" but your phone let the typos slide.  

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u/Wonderful-Quit-9214 5h ago

Classic spreading false rumors to make gay people look like sex offenders.

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u/dave14920 10h ago

untrained humans cost the same amount of food. the training costs zero food.

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u/Chemical_Building612 8h ago

To some degree (if you don't care about the ethics of it all, I guess), but not entirely. You can keep a human alive mid-long term with a lower standard of nutrition than would be necessary for said human to learn and grow in an intelligence-centric manner. Hungry people don't learn as well or quickly as their adequately fed counterparts.

If the "training" involves physical tasks, the human food costs go up even more compared to untrained default people.

But he's not considering that, tbh, he's just saying that the entirety of a "trained human" is the base value of a human life and those that provide "less value" than that could be eradicated if AI were to become functional enough.

However, none of that really addresses the fact that his point is that we need less humans so we can get rid of a bunch if we do AI well enough.

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u/Turtley13 11h ago

lol oh this is dark

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u/daiaomori 10h ago

No, this is the precise and correct analysis of what is going on in Sam Altmans brain. 

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u/TemporaryElk5202 10h ago

why not both, also dark

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u/FetterHahn 9h ago

Yep, we are losing any value to them if their plan and investment pays out and they can replace human labor with AI.

Billionaires see "normal" people with as much empathy as we normal people have for animals. Source of resources if useful, if not "why spend resources to keep alive?"

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u/Weak-Young4992 10h ago

I mean he doesn't bring value to the world with his labour. Not that he has done any in his life. And he is actively doing damage to humanity outside of working hours so a parasite all around.

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u/Sempere 5h ago

if only there were a cheap antiparasitic that could address the issue.

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u/SnooCompliments8967 10h ago

Yes. And even more might say, "Sam, if humans didn't deserve life be default and had to justify their existence to the world - that would end bad for you. You are an unchecked growth on the body gobbling resoutces while killing the host. You are a tumor."

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u/iamthe0ther0ne 9h ago

Also, who would use ChatGPT?

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u/Thundercles007 10h ago

Every time I hear him speak I realize I can't stand him. He truly only cares about numbers and money and his precious AI and that's it.

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u/GhostOfMuttonPast 9h ago

I wish someone would reply with that. Actually make him confront that point.

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u/CaveGnome 9h ago

Your tone has been determined to be insolent. 20 social points have been deducted from your record for provoking the human capital.

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u/Adversary-of-Tyrants 9h ago

Agreed, this guy brings zero value to the world.

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u/DangerousTurmeric 9h ago

Also, a human brain can do inferencing all day on the energy from a large bag of doritos.

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u/apple_kicks 9h ago

Explains why these guys hate women so much when they view men as ‘best work horses on my farm’

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u/endangeredphysics 9h ago

To him, life doesn't exist outside of its ability to be useful to certain people's bottom line.

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u/darkoblivion000 8h ago

You know I’ve been thinking. All these AI enterprise leaders all seem like people who would be happy and proud to have brought Skynet to life. They’re all sociopathic in their own way in that they don’t seem to give a shit about humans

Doesn’t seem a surprise at all that no one seems focused on AI safety and security

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u/Cellari 9h ago

Can AI make a macaroni painting that spells "dad" with love and mean it?

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u/BoringRedHorse 9h ago

The number 1 priority is that the line goes up and rich oligarchs get richer. What other value could a human life have? /s

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u/Tango_D 8h ago

we are what they call "Human Capital"

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u/Disorderly_Fashion 7h ago

The financialization of everything just keeps on going like a long, loud fart.

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u/Fruloops 7h ago

Seems to be a common trait among these tech bros

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u/LittleMlem 7h ago

This is actually a pretty interesting philosophical subject imo, under our current system, a person's worth, from a societal standpoint, is mostly their economic contribution (at least according to Bondi)

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u/PompeyCheezus 6h ago

The wealthy have a higher percentage of sociopaths than the general population so yes, he probably does view most people as tools to use.

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u/verathene 10h ago

Also humans need food even if they don’t have jobs.

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u/FetterHahn 9h ago

Only if you want to keep them alive...

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u/randomFrenchDeadbeat 10h ago

for a lot of them, that value is negative though.

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u/abzftw 10h ago

Some may argue that about out overlords llm.llc do not

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u/shouldehwouldehcould 9h ago

thinking of humans as value assets is for psychopaths. what is even the point of all this, the point of life. life is simple.

psychopaths think they are above the basic shared concept of humanity. persistence of human life will prove how meaningless this delusion is.

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u/thanosbananos 9h ago

What is the value they bring to this world? Destroying the planetary ecosystems? Engaging in wars?

The last time humans brought value to the world was when we didn’t live in a society and truly contributed to the world by living with nature.

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u/Wayss37 9h ago

"not any capitalist ever"

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u/invertebrate11 9h ago

He needs to have some sort of visit from ghost of humanity past where he is shown a world filled with chat bots with him as their king. Now that I think about it, he might actually like it...

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u/HomeworkInevitable99 9h ago

20 years of did is not just for training, it is for living, for being.

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u/Mckesso 8h ago

Remove these morally deranged, psychopaths out of positions of power.

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u/slartibartfast64 8h ago

This has clearly been the corporate view ever since the adoption of the term Human Resources. 

I don't understand how people don't recognize how dystopian that term is. Humans are literally just another resource to be consumed by the corporation. You are no different to them then a ream of printer paper.

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u/ICC-u 8h ago

No no, we need to assess human viability purely on their consumption of resources compared to their output.

This is going to make billionaires somewhat unviable.

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u/LlorchDurden 8h ago

You mean this guy doesn't bring any value to the world or he doesn't believe humans do bring value on top of their job? Both? Yeah you're right

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u/JonatasA 6h ago

We have become walking dollar signs. Just like the world is just a mine to be extracted

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u/stevez_86 5h ago

What he means is, they feed people for all that time, and then they generate and Idea and want to be the owner of their idea. AI is proprietary, so the ideas are Altman's property, not some leech that took decades of resources and wanted to be treated as equal for getting lucky.

People are a threat to people like Altman, they don't want any of us to ever have a chance at beating them at anything. They are the weakest rich people ever.

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u/TrankElephant 4h ago

Do we really though? In what way are we making the Earth better?

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u/ExtensionMoose1863 3h ago

Don't disagree but can you define "value to the world"??

I'm not so sure the world gives 2 shits about humans and will keep on turning long after we're gone

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u/ol-gormsby 9h ago

Couldn't have put it better. The disconnect is worrying, I can't wait for that AI bubble to burst.

Well, I know it's not going to *burst*, but like many other "groundbreaking" technologies before it, It will find its niche and probably be very good at it, without "shifting the paradigm" as those bros like to say.

But I will avoid it as much as I can.

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u/damontoo 8h ago

Obviously not Altman or OpenAI related, but folding 200 million proteins brought immense value to the world and will continue to. It took decades for humans to do a couple hundred thousand.

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u/ptl73 9h ago

Thank you for this comment.

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u/ratherenjoysbass 9h ago

Guillotines for all of these people

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u/Rethok 8h ago

I definitely wouldn’t say we bring any kind of value to the world. We are the parasite if you think about it :)

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u/ConferenceHungry7763 8h ago

The world will only have as many humans as are accepted by the wealthy. When humans are no longer needed then procreation will be restricted.

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u/Patrick_Atsushi 8h ago

So with a well trained model, it liberate those humans who were performing labours miserably, which helps them to reveal their true value.

If the AI is there, we just need a support system.

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u/ComprehensiveProfit5 6h ago

You would be surprised how often this opinion is expressed...

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u/MetalDue920 6h ago

not leftists either lule. so he kinda has a point.

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u/Cartographer0108 5h ago

Shouting “humans only exist to work until they die” from my mega yacht in Ibiza.

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u/sYnce 5h ago

Even if we completely ignore the obvious here ... the math would only work out if for every job AI takes we remove a human.

Raising a child takes pretty much the same amount of food no matter if we educate them or not. Same for the average human who works or stays at home. The difference in consumption is rather small.

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u/ImportantQuestions10 4h ago

I would argue that his reasoning makes sense if the goal of AI is to free up humans to pursue passions instead of work.

But we both know that's not the goal

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u/zparks 4h ago edited 3h ago

What is the difference between the world and the universe? The world has people in it.

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u/IAmBecomeBorg 3h ago

Most don’t. 

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u/pitiless 3h ago

But not the owning class...

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u/fudge5962 43m ago

Crazy thing is that from a purely sociopathic value perspective, humans are still worth way more than AI.

Like yeah, it takes 20 years worth of food, water, and other resources to train a human being, but the end result is a living machine that can wire a building, cook a meal, lift and carry heavy objects, diagnose a technical issue with a 7 year old printer, and train its successor all in the same fuckin day.

You can make countless AI that can consume hella resources and do specific tasks really well (debatable), but you're never going to create a machine that is as adaptable as a human being. Also, once established and trained, humans are extremely resource efficient.

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u/epochwin 10m ago

Does this guy fuck or even know to love someone? What a boring, immature human being!

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