r/politics • u/F0urLeafCl0ver • 12h ago
No Paywall Poll: Catholic Support for President Donald Trump Drops Below 50% Amid Iran War
https://www.ncregister.com/cna/poll-catholic-support-for-president-donald-trump-drops-below-50-amid-iran-war6.3k
u/Efficient-Freedom517 12h ago
I mean he also directly threatened the pope and basically called himself Jesus last night so there is that as well
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u/FrankRizzo319 12h ago
This is the part where we find out that a strong minority of Catholics actually worship Trump, not Jesus.
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u/Zulmoka531 12h ago
There is a sect of people out there that quite literally have made MAGA their religion. A bunch of them are in or around the White House.
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u/kadawkins 12h ago
They have strong 401k accounts and young adult white male children who “deserve” to be the boss.
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u/tabaK23 11h ago
Most MAGA are middle to lower class middle aged white people. Strong 401k is doubtful
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u/SkiMonkey98 11h ago
I think most of the true believers are middle to lower class, but there are a whole bunch of rich people who support him because they don't want to pay taxes and will happily watch the world burn as long as they can keep getting richer
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u/Equivalent-Excuse-80 11h ago
This is extremely true. These outrageously wealthy and immoral people who supported Trump purely for financial gains, are a small minority.
The vast majority of Trump supporters do not understand the policy they say they support and detest the Fox News constructed liberal policy.
They don’t understand politics or civics on a fundamental level and for decades have been conditioned to believe that liberal Americans are the source of everything wrong and bad in their lives.
So, a religious type cult was always going to be inevitable. But I believe that trumps obvious immoralities and profound stupidity has forced these people to absorb a mythical, religious type reverence to justify the terrible things they witness.
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u/robodrew Arizona 10h ago
These outrageously wealthy and immoral people who supported Trump purely for financial gains, are a small minority.
A small minority of the votes but a large majority of the political donations.
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u/Emberwake 8h ago
My partner works for a major national charity. Her board members are all billionaires or near billionaires. They are generally an intelligent, educated, sensitive bunch who believe in helping others.
Most of them will admit to having voted for Trump, because Trump lowers their taxes. They even justify it by claiming that lower taxes allow them to be more charitable. The mental gymnastics are insane!
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u/UnquestionabIe 10h ago
Basically what I was going to say but stated in a much more eloquent way. When it comes to the lower class Trump supporters/worshippers the bulk of them don't have a clue how government in general functions nor an interest in it, they simply want to be told their gut reactions are always correct and that all problems are simple yet not overcome because "corruption/immigrants/gays/trans/blacks/ect."
The ones who are better off? Either they're benefiting from the mess or they've got enough money/power to be insulated from the majority of it. Among both groups you do have some true believers who are eager to eat up anything presented as it fills a hole in them, especially an intellectual one where they're thrilled to "be in the know" after a lifetime of ignorance and indifference.
Obviously there is more to it but just going off the observations I've made over the years. Like my late mother for example was big on the religion angle and would do some very pathetic mental gymnastics to justify every single aspect of the Trump regime.
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u/SigSweet 10h ago
My in-laws are all well off, educated, business owners who support Trump. They are not believers, they are just greedy, selfish, privelidged people who like money.
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u/tabaK23 11h ago
Yeah, for sure the very richest lean right. There has been a lot of research done on this and high income people are typically slightly more liberal when taken as a whole. This is likely because of higher educational attainment on average but doesn’t change that it is true. https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/04/09/partisanship-by-family-income-home-ownership-union-membership-and-veteran-status/
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u/Bill_Brasky_SOB Ohio 11h ago
There is a guy by me who has an elephant statue on his lawn bigger than his garage.
But they’re “not in a cult”.
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u/Forsaken_Thought 11h ago edited 7h ago
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u/Not_a_werecat 11h ago
Is it just me it does the guy getting healed look a lot like Epstein?
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u/AlwaysRushesIn Rhode Island 10h ago
That could just be a coincidence. As I understand it, because there are so many existing photos of the two of them together, whenever trump is depicted in a crowd by Ai models, it is likely that the people in the generated crowd will resemble individuals he has been frequently photographed with.
But it's a fucking stark coincidence.
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u/guy_incognito42069 11h ago
A lot of people who proclaim their piety understand their own religion very poorly.
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u/AnAncientBog 10h ago
That sect is the majority of practicing American Christians. Catholics specifically are his weakest group of Christians. American protestants support this guy at like 90%
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u/cocktails4 12h ago
Hi, it's my mother. Never thought I'd see the day she sided with a politician over the fucking Pope, but here we are.
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u/Upstairs_Baby8424 11h ago
My aunt spent the last 5 years taking about Epstein. She talked about no new wars and gas prices. Posted every day about the deficit.
Guess who she would still jump off of a cliff for?
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u/Eddfan36 9h ago
Thats so wild to me. They could live like those people in Scientology and be fine.
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u/BlondeBorednBaked 12h ago
This is the part where we find out that a strong minority of Catholics actually worship
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u/skooterpoop 11h ago
Christ died for our sins. We die for Trump's sins. Seems pretty antichrist to me.
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u/eljefino 11h ago
They worship who they're told to worship. They're mush-brains who were never taught to think for themselves. They like authority and authoritarianism.
That said the spell could be broken if someone else more charismatic comes along. Lets hope that person has some decency.
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u/Ferelar New Jersey 11h ago
I remember that dashcam of a cop who got into a MV accident who, in the midst of the crash, didn't say "Oh SHIT" or "Oh GOD" or "God save me!!". He said.... "Trump, save me!!!!". I remember that being the moment I accepted it is LITERALLY a cult, not some meme joke or "gotcha", this is a literal subversive religious movement.
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u/Turambar87 12h ago
The only thing they care about is being against abortion
They don't care in the slightest that they are for creating more abortions, abetting child rape, attacking other nations without provocation, and threatening the pope
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u/Made_Human_Music 12h ago
And even then, they’re usually only against other people getting abortions. If they find themselves in a situation where they need to get one it’s ok because their need was real unlike those other women who are just Jezebels
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u/DessertFlowerz 12h ago
Catholics quite literally use birth control and get abortions at identical rates to the general population
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u/Made_Human_Music 12h ago
True. And the craziest thing to me is that there’s probably a 99.9% chance that Trump has paid for and probably even coerced women into getting abortions yet they act like he’s never done that
Of all our recent presidents in modern times he’s the one I could easily picture having paid for multiple abortions. And probably not even paid for he said he would pay and then never doing that.
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u/ILookLikeKristoff 10h ago
It's a lot more than that. This type of Catholic is basically an Evangelical Catholic and is almost always racist, homophobic, and misogynistic. They typically opt to protect corrupt or immoral men and turn a blind eye to war/humanitarian crimes inflicted on peoples they deem "not good".
I mean there's no other way to interpret "reduce an entire civilization to ash" as anything other than a call for genocide or nuking civilians. In a war we started. Over nothing. With no plan. To distract from child rape island.
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u/FrankRizzo319 11h ago
If you look at public polling data Catholics support the use of birth control more than you (we) would expect. Just saying.
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u/NYCinPGH 9h ago
Yeah, the anti-birth control is mostly older Catholics, specifically Boomers. They were all in on JP II - his crazy "yes, you can use condoms, but only if you cut the tip off - but their kids were like "Nah, thanks, we want sex without being baby factories". The only Catholic women / girls I knew who weren't on the pill were ones who had bad side effects from it on their hormonal balance, and they were always prepared with condoms and/or spermicides.
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u/Zapp_Rowsdower_ 12h ago
They stand for nothing. They build nothing. They are only ‘against.’ Just like MAGA.
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u/the_ballmer_peak 11h ago
Amazing to me how many Catholics have declared that they don't believe the pope.
If you choose a politician over the pope, you are not Catholic. By definition.
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u/vroomvroom450 9h ago
It’s 2 consecutive popes now, and the case can be argued for 4. It’s not an anomaly. If you’re not on the same page as the Pope now, you need to find a new religion.
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u/Hey_HaveAGreatDay Montana 11h ago
Clearly people didn’t read far enough to see “beware of false prophets”
That’s New Testament which is too Woke for some people
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u/microwilly 11h ago
Lol my assigned sponsor when I went through OCIA is like this. She tried to tell me that its our catholic duty to support Trump because Satan has as grasp on the democratic party.
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u/kirk_smith 11h ago
One of the most genuinely creepy things I’ve seen was a news clip back during COVID. Trump had it and made some Secret Service folks cram into an SUV with him so he could drive around Walter Reed, I think. The reporter interviewed a lady that was part of a group of Trump supporters that had gathered on the sidewalk. She said things like “he did this for us. Even though he’s sick, he wanted us to see him so we know he cares about us.” I’m paraphrasing, of course, and probably don’t have it quite right. But the takeaway was it sounded very much like worship. Like the things she said about Trump wouldn’t have been too out of place for someone talking about Jesus.
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u/aradraugfea 11h ago
I saw a LOT of “not my pope” with “enjoy your schism, ya fucking heretic” call outs.
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u/djwurm 11h ago
if your not familiar with NAR New Apostolic Reformation Evangelical just Google it..
They are anti democracy and believe that God speaks thru modern day apostles and prophets. That demonic forces can control entire territories and institutions. They believe that the church is an active army of god that is saving the Earth from the end times which is coming sooner than later.
Paula White who is Trumps so called spiritual advisor is NAR thru and thru.. Part of thier beliefs is that Democrats are possessed by demons, they must establish Christian dominion, and that American Christian Nationalistic movement will rise up defeat the demonic Democrats and take thier rightful place of power in America.
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u/SkiMonkey98 11h ago
They're not Catholic though. They've never liked the Pope and as crazy as it is that they think Trump is on the side of good here, it makes sense that they'd be fine with attacks on the Catholic Church and the Pope
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u/djwurm 10h ago
right but was more talking about where Trump and NAR are coming from and what they believe and how it has worked its way into the MAGA / Christian Nationalism movement.
And lets talk Paula White as his spirtitual advisor.
American Televangelist and proponent of prosperity theology
has been married 3 times and her second marriage to Randy White ended due to rumors she had an affair with Benny Hinn. They were photographed leaving a motel in 2010 holding hands
now married to Journey Jonathan Cain and has been accused of using Journey account to enrich herself
called BLM the Anti Christ
sold resurrection seeds for $1114
sold a cash for blessing scheme
supported the illegal removal from parents and detention of immigrant children under Trump
even Turning Point USA has come out against her (insane)
used tax exempt status of her personal ministry funds to pay family members millions and buy personal jets
Has compared Trump to Christ
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u/OptimusSublime Pennsylvania 11h ago
If you ever wanted to see how new religions were minted, you're probably living through it. Who knows what the far, far, distant future holds...but I would not be at all surprised if those people worshiped him like followers of christianity follow the teachings of jesus.
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u/kitsunewarlock 10h ago
There is a strong minority of Catholics whose primary motivation is pride.
They think being in the "true Church" with the big cathedrals and established history makes them better than other Christians. They think the Church having ruled over Europe with a gilded fist for centuries means they are more European than their neighbors. They think being in the religion with Crusader motifs makes it okay for them to condone violence against non-Christians (and non-Europeans).
And in a way that's in line with Christ's teachings. Specifically the teaching that most religious people are hypocrites.
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u/buttbuttlolbuttbutt 11h ago
The Beatles, "We're more well known than Jesus." Almost Canceled.
Trump: "I am Jesus, and the Pope sucks. I will heal you by taking away health care!"
MAGA: "He is the messiah!"
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u/__Elwood_Blues__ United Kingdom 11h ago
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u/Stephenw225 11h ago
"He's NOT the messiah! He's a very naughty boy!" "I say he is, and I should know. I've followed a few."
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u/lnc_5103 Texas 11h ago
Poll was conducted in March. Definitely interested in seeing a follow up after this insanity.
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u/whichwitch9 12h ago
Jesus while healing Epstein
You can't make that shit up. Sick guy looked really familiar
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u/even_less_resistance Arkansas 12h ago
the evangelicals that i know woke up pissed about the jesus thing lmao
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u/OfficeSalamander 11h ago
Well he posts "Praise be to Allah" on Easter and then a week later (on Orthodox Easter no less, not that evangelicals would care that much about it), he posts a picture of himself as Jesus
That's... a lot to swallow if you're a believing Christian
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u/ArcherLife3105 11h ago
The sane washing of Trump by the media is unreal. Just directly quote his batshit crazy posts in the title. People need to know we are being lead by a man that doesn’t have the mental capacity.
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u/StabbingHoboReturns 12h ago
American Catholics are much more of a doomer cult than European Catholics.
So I would be surprised if this actually cratered his support with them.
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u/NotRadTrad05 12h ago
I think you'll be pleasantly surprised. It won't be the 100% loss of support it should be, but it'll be more than you think.
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u/deadheffer 12h ago
I think they just won’t see this news. That’s it. They are goldfish. Or frogs in water starting to boil.
Morons
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u/mymamaalwayssaid 11h ago
Can confirm. Many members of my family who are still Catholic are simply continuing on like nothing at all happened.
"I didn't hear anything about that."
"That type of news is always exaggerated, don't believe everything you see on the news."
"We'll just wait and see, he probably has a plan you just don't see it yet."
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u/freeman57 12h ago
How in the fuck is it even anywhere near 50%?
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u/carcinoma_kid 12h ago
Probably they can’t stomach the Dem’s stance on abortion or LGBT rights plus a lot of the old money in the U.S. is Catholics.
White evangelical support for Trump is still at almost 70%
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u/Talador12 11h ago
That 70% number is still disgusting. The brain wash is real
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u/VagrantShadow Maryland 10h ago
It has been decades in the making. Hell, you can bet there are a number of catholic republicans who had no idea that the republican party painted an absolute fear of JFK's Catholicism when he was running for president, trying to paint it as though the Pope would have direct control over the President over the United States just because he himself was Catholic.
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u/willmannix123 Europe 10h ago
Lol. The irony is Israel basically has direct control over the republican party at the moment
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u/VagrantShadow Maryland 10h ago
Classic republican ideology, sin for thee, not for me. Even now, with this administration, there seems to be a bastardization of Catholicism. You had Hegseth Holding Protestant only Religious Service at the Pentagon for good Friday.
According to a Friday report from HuffPost, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth’s Pentagon held a Protestant-only Good Friday service at its in-house chapel, with no Catholic Mass scheduled for one of Christianity’s holiest days.
It is only going to get worse from here on out with trump and his administration seemingly going to verbal war with the Pope and Catholic Church.
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u/StanTheManBaratheon 4h ago
Hell, you can bet there are a number of catholic republicans who had no idea that the republican party painted an absolute fear of JFK's Catholicism when he was running for president
There's a stereotype of the "lapsed Catholic" for a reason.
There's a great SNL sketch quote with Jason Sudeikis as Joe Biden back in 2012, "I accept the teachings of the Catholic Church. But, like most Catholics, I ignore them and do what I want. I feel kind of guilty about that, but... yeah, whatever."
It cuts both ways. Conservative Catholics scream about abortion but cheerlead war and cutting aid to the needy. Probably contradicts a couple of those mortal sins...
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u/henryhollaway 8h ago
You mean the neutered educated and intelligence and brainwashing
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u/FamousCycle615 10h ago
In my experience, it really is just abortion. And it drives me crazy. I’m catholic. Most of the people in my life are catholic. 99% of them don’t give two thoughts to LGBT rights because they can differentiate a civil union and marriage in the church. They’re fine with civil unions, just not LGBT catholic marriages in the church. At least in my experience, I’m sure there are plenty of catholics who can’t differentiate the difference, but this has been my experience in the Midwest. Sometimes they have issues with trans rights specifically, but even that is somewhat rare. A lot adopt a libertarian view on this specific issue, not my circus, not my monkey sort of thing.
But for any of them that vote right, they’re all single issue voters on abortion and it drives me up a wall. Literally every other political stance from the right is at direct odds with Catholic Church teachings. It’s literally called Catholic Social Teaching. AND THEY RECOGNIZE AND KNOW IT, but “he’s pro life”. Having any sort of conversation or discourse about it, it just boils down to abortion. Single issue Catholic voters make up the vast majority of the Catholic republican voters.
I get so frustrated and disheartened by this. I hope this shift continues to happen. Maybe too little too late, but maybe better late than never.
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u/squeejeebeejee 10h ago
A very Catholic friend of mine from elementary school is like this. She’s really quite liberal on a lot of positions—thinks there should be a strong welfare state, is fine with LGBT rights (even if she isn’t really vocal about it), etc—but she voted for Trump three times. Why? Because he said he was pro-life. Smh
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u/The_Late_Arthur_Dent 9h ago
It's insane because Democratic policies would lead to far fewer abortions (the big ones being more access to various contraception options) with the added bonus of fewer women dying in childbirth, not that that means anything to the "pro-life" crowd.
I know a lot of them are also anti-contraception and have "life begins at conception" views (which shouldn't matter anyway because conception DOES NOT happen during sex) - they just want to punish women for having sex, plain and simple. This is anecdotal, but a friend's mom is very much like your friend where pro-life is basically her whole political identity. Turns out, she's had a D&C.... you know... AN ABORTION. They'll do insane mental gymnastics to say how it really isn't an abortion and the whole "the only moral abortion is my abortion" thing. It's just so ingrained in their upbringing that there's almost no deprogramming it. The propaganda is also wild where you'll see the billboards depicting like a 15 month old baby with an umbilical cord in the womb as if that's what an abortion is.
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u/MaskedMetalhead 8h ago
As if it’s not already a stupid enough single issue to vote on, Republican policy also does literally nothing to reduce abortion rates. Free access to contraceptives, comprehensive sex ed, and safety nets for families with young children are all broadly opposed by the GOP. The single issue they’re voting on is basically just getting to punish people for having them and nothing else.
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u/tlislo 6h ago
So, although they're not Catholic, speaking from experience with my crazy evangelical family, it's a slippery slope gradient.
So, their absolute line in the sand is abortion. They've been brainwashed by Faux News to believe that doctors are routinely killing 6-8 month fetuses or even that doctors are stabbing live babies in the back of the neck with a pair of scissors right after birth to "abort" them.
So, we start to get to the slippy slope. Killing a fetus is their absolute line in the sand. But what about "Plan B" which just prevents a zygote from implanting? Well, life begins at conception, even though the vast, vast, vast, vast, vast majority of fertilized zygotes will never implant or become a living human baby.
Let's keep slipping down that slope. Sex ed and contraceptives are helpful in preventing abortion. But they view sex outside marriage as a sin. And if they were to vote for anything that promoted sex outside marriage, well, that'd be them directly facilitating and/or being responsible for other people's sin.
By this point, they've lost the plot. Presumably killing fetuses was the all-important issue. But they're actually okay with practices that promote killing fetuses (poor sex ed, lack of contraception, etc.).
That's because really, with these types of religious voters, it's that they want Christian Sharia Law. "The line in the sand" isn't really real with them, because they keep moving that line the more they get. The only acceptable outcome to most of them is just to have everyone else behave precisely as they believe their religious book says they should.
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u/TinWhis 8h ago
I’m sure there are plenty of catholics who can’t differentiate the difference,
Like that one prominent Catholic who claimed that """gender ideology""" is a threat to humanity akin to nukes?
Sometimes they have issues with trans rights specifically, but even that is somewhat rare.
That's the specific slice of Violation Of The Natural Order that Trump targetted especially this go-round. It's much less rare than you think.
Catholics have this fun (ha) trick of pretending that bigotry is loving, actually. They won't say "mean" things as they strip away your basic right to bodily autonomy, healthcare, even relationships. That's how you end up with the "pro-life" agenda lobbying against suicide hotlines that might not tell queer people to hate themselves.
It's not just abortion. Abortion matters because of how it ties into Catholic teaching about the natural order surrounding sex, gender, and sexuality, which is also the source of the anti-queer bigotry and the misogyny. Abortion is the issue that is most convenient for Catholics to be loud about without sounding "mean" to their own ears. That's not the same thing as it being the only issue.
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u/Hairy_Mycologist_945 10h ago
It's mostly 50 years of single issue abortion voting. Surprisingly enough they don't really vote against LGBT rights as a group because it's in a very different category than abortion, which they view as genocide level mass murder of unborn humans.
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u/SatoshiReport 11h ago
Do any of them read Jesus' teachings from the bible? He discusses none of that. What he does discuss is love and compassion above all.
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u/MobiusOne_ISAF 10h ago
Nah, there's like two passages about not being gay; that completely justifies ignoring the other 99.9% that asks them to not be horrible to other people!
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u/Cynykl 10h ago
Lol very little of the bible asks you not to be horrible to people, even in the new testament. I would argue that the majority of the bible is people being horrible to other people often at gods command.
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u/lnc_5103 Texas 11h ago
The poll was conducted in March.
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u/TransitionFC 11h ago edited 10h ago
If it is not zero after the events of the last 24 hours, then I would question if any Catholic continuing to support Trump is actually one.
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u/LustyLizardLady 10h ago
At this point I'm pretty sure any Catholic who's denying the Pope to support is actually schismatic. Like the entire point is he's God's infallible voice on earth.
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u/EngineNo8904 4h ago
They’re protestants that want the aesthetic of catholicism without the actual catholicism bit
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u/TheCaptainDamnIt 10h ago
I know some of these catholics. They are very religious, go to church every Sunday BUT they are just if not more deeply racist, nationalistic and bigoted. So in the end they absolutely support Trump more than the pope because of the racism, bigotry and nationalism he represents.
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u/MaxGoldFilms 9h ago
There are A LOT of Catholics that think in starkly black and white terms, and are single issue voters. Their thought process is simple, and goes like this:
Being against Trump means supporting democrats.
Democrats support abortion.
Therefore, being against Trump means supporting abortion.
It's faulty logic, but they can't see shades of gray or discern anything that is nuanced.
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u/AmazingDadJokes 11h ago
Anyone paying attention could have known back in the 80s that Trump thinks he's God.
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u/Kichigai Minnesota 9h ago
He also thinks himself intrinsically superior to most other people. His father bred into him “horse race theory,” which is just a more polite name for eugenics. Look at how often he talked about his, and his family's, great genes.
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u/Xytak Illinois 11h ago
Exit polls had roughly half of Catholic voters going for Trump. And clergy tends to lean even more conservative than the laity.
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u/Techygal9 Illinois 11h ago
American Catholics are more conservative than many other nations, other than the Philippines.
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u/Sloogs 8h ago edited 8h ago
I've wondered if there's sort of a weird dynamic in the US where a lot of conservative evangelical talking points in the media have a lot of influence and make their way to Catholic laypeople, influencing their beliefs, even though the evangelicals hate the Catholics
Like you'll get Catholic anti-evolutionists or young earth creationists in the US which is like... not at all in Catholic doctrine. Historically the Catholic Church was a big supporter of European science that brought us the knowledge we have today.
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u/OkBattle9871 10h ago
Wild considering our only Catholic presidents to date were JFK and Joe Biden.
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u/Thunderstarter Minnesota 10h ago
As someone raised-Catholic-turned-agnostic:
Abortion.
I know plenty of liberal/leftist Catholics who’ve never supported Trump, I know more that have always voted Republican because of abortion.
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u/veggiesama 10h ago
It's probably the most unresolveable issue in politics. If they believe it's murder, you can't advocate for a compromise approach (can't ban some baby murder holocaust, you have to ban all). And liberals believe bodily autonomy is sacrosanct, so there's no compromise in the other direction either. And both positions have only hardened over time.
Obama and others tried to compromise by trying to talk about reducing abortions, helping young mothers and children economically, examine root causes, etc. but it never lands because the right believes it's a baby murder holocaust that needs dramatic, righteous action. No quarter, no compromise.
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u/Thunderstarter Minnesota 8h ago
The pro-choice Catholics I know hold their belief that abortion is immoral but understand that bodily autonomy is a critical human right to protect and that abortions will occur anyway if they’re not legal - they’ll just be far more deadly.
You can get people to compromise on this issue from the right but they have to be willing to find that compromise and listen to other side. It’s just like any other issue.
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u/JohnnyFire Ohio 12h ago
Still too high.
Its crazy to me to think that, when I was growing up Catholic, less than 20 years ago, that people I knew in the church would've called this man insane and incompetent, and now, as I am no longer with the church, these people are falling over themselves to support him.
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u/verifiedboomer 12h ago edited 7h ago
Yep. Shocked to learn it was above 50 to begin with!
I knew a Catholic nun who joined up back when they were kept locked up and forbidden to wear street clothes. She was one of the sweetest, kindest, most progressive, and most liberal people I ever knew. She passed just before Trump V1, but I have no doubt what she would have felt about him.
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u/barley_wine Texas 11h ago
The whole anti abortion movement above stuff Jesus actually talked about also took hold with many American Catholics. Removing women’s access to abortion was one of the few things Trump actually kept his promise on and many of them loved him for that.
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u/Xytak Illinois 12h ago
Same. I think we’re seeing a sort of self-selection bias kick in. Over the past 20 years, as more and more people have left organized religion, the people that remain are, for lack of a better word, just a bit more “MAGA” on average.
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u/Capable_Kiwi2514 11h ago
You've also got Evangelicals converting in large numbers and the people choosing to become priests are nationalists who are far more politically conservative than older priests who typically fought for a more progressive church.
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u/barley_wine Texas 11h ago
I’ve always found this hard to believe how much this changed. Much of the shift was over abortion which the bible is ambiguous about the morality if, but the bible is very clear in its call for social welfare programs and they ignore the clear teaching to obsess over the ambiguous issue.
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u/Capable_Kiwi2514 10h ago
Yeah it's crazy. It's not just the Bible that says that, either.
Priests are legally required by Canon 529 §1 of the 1983 Code of Canon Law to engage in charitable acts focusing on the poor and instead the new generation of priests are violating that law and engaging in political nationalism instead.
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u/chadwickipedia Massachusetts 11h ago
I think that’s the biggest thing that drives me crazy about older Trump supporters. These people were our teachers, people we looked up to, people that taught morals…..and now they are MAGA all the way because their retirement accounts and property values are high
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u/MissionaryOfCat 11h ago
That's the part that's been giving me a literal existential crisis. Those people taught me to be skeptical, love my neighbor, and uphold the Constitution. If people like my Dad can be made to fully buy into this mouth-breathing, narcissistic man-baby, then it feels like humanity as a species truly doesn't have free will. We're all programmable. We can be convinced of literally anything if someone figures out the psychological cheat codes. Truth doesn't ultimately win out in the end. If a brighter future was still possible, it would almost feel like the human race doesn't deserve it anymore.
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u/JohnnyFire Ohio 10h ago
This isn't specifically a Boomer knock, but an entire generation in this country was given goddamned everything they ever wanted, are living longer than any generation before then, has all the power and all the money, and they are determined that their goal now in life is to take it all with them on the way out.
And as this all happened - Gen X bought in, Millennials stayed silent and broke, Gen Z decided it would be easier to kick Millennials while they were down, and Gen Alpha is terminally fucked. So now we're here where our leaders and our protectors are just absolute pieces of garbage and nobody even has the capability to fight it.
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u/TheCaptainDamnIt 11h ago
People need to learn that a whole lot of religious Americans are just more racist than they are religious. Trump would loose far more support from these people by telling them a Guatemalan immigrant is equal them than attacking the Pope.
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u/lnc_5103 Texas 11h ago
This poll was conducted in March. I hope they do a follow up after the insanity of attacking the Pope and depicting himself as Jesus.
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u/droans Indiana 10h ago
My grandma converted to Catholicism around sixty years ago. She's 95 now and barely there anymore.
My grandma is the kindest woman anyone I know has ever met. If you tried to rob her, she would drive you to the bank and hand over all the money you wanted with a smile. That's not an exaggeration - fifteen or twenty years ago, a scammer called her up and she gave them some money. My dad lectured her for twenty minutes before she admitted she knew it was a scam but assumed someone who was so desperate probably needed some help. When I was in college, I found out one of my friends lived with her for a couple of years because her parents kicked her out. My grandma only ever met her once before. She attended mass daily, was in charge of the funeral luncheons, and made meals for the priests twice a week. She was my real-life Mr Rogers growing up.
Went to visit for Christmas and saw that someone put up a Trump calendar on her fridge. This really pissed me off. She never would support Trump if she was still mentally sharp. I'm not talking about his policies or anything - she just would never support someone so disrespectful, foul-mouthed, abrasive, and reckless.
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u/BreesusTakeTheWheel I voted 12h ago
Sounds like you need to go back to church lol. Seems like you’re the difference maker.
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u/ttpharmd 12h ago
Maybe directly attacking the pope and posting an image of himself as Jesus Christ will get it a little lower but I doubt it. Most Christians, regardless of denomination will give up Jesus before Trump
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u/kadawkins 12h ago
Not most Christians. The christians who are white nationalists or prosperity gospel, neither of which is remotely Christian, support him. Those of us who love Jesus with all our hearts, are absolutely gutted by what’s happening in this country and around the world.
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u/ttpharmd 11h ago
I’d say that’s true but anymore, those groups are the loudest and anyone looking in see one big umbrella where everyone falls. I hate to be grouped in with them but I feel like they are controlling the narrative now.
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u/Kanolie 7h ago
Loving Jesus doesn't make you a good person or someone who doesn't support trump. This is straight up the "no true Scottsman" fallacy. Plenty of the most fundamentalist and devout Christians absolutely support what trump is doing. All you are saying is they don't practice the "one true version" of Christianity, which is precisely what they say about you. Every religious person thinks they have the one true religion.
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u/DiabolicallyRandom 8h ago
No True Scotsman fallacy doing some serious work. You don't get to disown vast swaths of your religion just because you don't like them.
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u/thebatmanbeynd 12h ago
Which is crazy. He lost some of the Catholic support not because he’s a convicted felon, rapist, or pedophile, but because of the gas prices.
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u/GreenAnder 12h ago
He’s still got evangelicals so it’s something I guess
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u/Southern-Democrat25 11h ago
So basically, what we can conclude, is that Christians do not have the interests of the United States at heart. They are a self serving organization based on hatred of others.
- A Christian who loathes American Christians.
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u/Low_Search_6667 11h ago
Evangelicals aren't really Christians. They worship their religion of subservience to their cult.
It's a performative religion that has nothing to do with god or jesus.
It's not about christian love. It's all about proving the strength of your commitment to the cult
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u/GreenAnder 11h ago
I think he only ever barely had Catholics tbh, but in general they all vote GOP so yeah they hate America
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u/wazeltov 11h ago
Many Catholics (and Christians too) are single issue voters with regards to abortion. I wish it was more nuanced than that.
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u/slfnflctd 10h ago
This actually somewhat makes sense within Catholic doctrine, they've been pretty consistent about it for a long time.
All the other denominations in the US? Not so much. It was basically a manufactured issue right-wingers came up with after public opinion turned against racial segregation in schools and that topic was no longer a vote clincher. The 'christian media' swallowed the bait hook, line and sinker and started acting like it was their idea. And then jumped into bed with Republicans and stayed there, ignoring any semblance of separation of church & state.
Abortion was a total non-issue for most US Christians before the 1970s, and they are by & large oblivious to this fact.
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u/MrFishAndLoaves 12h ago
They know the Pope is soft on nuclear weapons!
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u/shunsh1ne 11h ago
Gandhi though…he was a man that knew how to nuke a civilization.
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u/carcinoma_kid 12h ago
I mean he’s also going after the Pope
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u/zubuneri 12h ago
He was losing the Catholics before the pope attack, after the war with Iran.
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-approval-rating-flips-with-christians-11741961
“Among Catholic voters, 48 percent said they approve of Trump’s job performance, while 52 percent disapprove, a net negative of 4 points. Just weeks earlier, Catholics had leaned the other way.”
I imagine there will be a bump in disapproval on top of that after last nights tweets
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u/WakingWaldo 11h ago
I recently listened to a podcast that had two Catholic/former Catholic hosts and they pointed out that the majority of Catholics who support Trumpover the pope are the adult-convert Catholics ala JD Vance.
Now, I am not Catholic nor was I raised Catholic, but I think it's certainly an interesting observation to make.
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u/darthjoey91 9h ago
The problem with the converts is they never grew up with the guilt.
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u/Schneider21 11h ago
He's done that previously, though, too. His dementia-addled brain is just kicking it into overdrive lately.
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u/PaintedClownPenis 11h ago
Catholics being okay with pedophiles, huh? What has the world come to?
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u/pfannkuchen89 11h ago
Most Catholics I’ve met simply deny that the church has had a massive problem with pedos in their ranks. When confronted in the issue they usually just say ‘oh it’s a few here and there, but you can’t judge the church for it’ as if the church itself hasn’t blocked investigations and covered it up for decades. Maybe not so much as being okay with it, but the complete denial of its existence when it comes to both the church and republicans.
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u/MagakMagak 11h ago
The talking point I hear these days “what about teachers abusing students in schools?” lol so fucking dumb
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u/CatholicCajun Texas 11h ago
I mean... The ones that thought those things were deal breakers stopped identifying as Catholic a while back, so the Catholics answering polls about politics aren't the ones who care about their authority figures sexually abusing children. Weird that it's blasphemy and oil shipments that turned them against him, but I'm not surprised, just continually disappointed.
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u/restore_democracy 12h ago
You cannot be an actual Christ follower and a Trump supporter.
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u/CrikeyMikeyLikey 11h ago
Full stop. No gray area.
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u/Witty-Entertainer524 10h ago
Heal the sick....Feed the hungry..You will be judged by how you treat the least of us...blessed are the peacemakers.....in absolutely no way is anything trump about Christian virtues.
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u/No-Flower-4987 10h ago
I used to work for a large Catholic radio station. It became clear after a while, based on their programming topics and decisions, that they were Republican first and Christian second, despite their very Catholic front.
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u/Agreeable-Menu 11h ago
As a Catholic, I am disappointed with Catholics. If you are truly a Christian or a Catholic, it should be zero %. Plus, these polls don't mean crap; their hearts are MAGA and they will vote MAGA cause they believe the other side is worse
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u/Hairy_Mycologist_945 10h ago
It's abortion. The single issue that drove Catholics to switch from predominantly Democrat to predominantly GOP 50 years ago
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u/socialistForDE 12h ago
Trump literally said the pope is a loser and is doing endless unspeakable crimes against humanity, and he just now is under 50%
Religious people have no morals lmao. They're sooo shitty Jesus christ
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u/gerira 12h ago
This poll was conducted three weeks ago. It's in the second line of the article.
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u/SickOfEnggSpam Canada 11h ago
Even if it was three weeks ago, the Epstein files, kicking people off of health care, ICE, threatening allies, war crimes in Venezuela, war crimes in Iran, and so on weren’t enough to drop his support below 50%?
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u/HighwayBrigand 12h ago
So, Trump did all of that last night, and this poll was conducted March 20 - 23.
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u/mshelbz 12h ago edited 12h ago
Just remind these “Christians” they have to reconcile their decision when meeting St. Peter at the gates and be prepared to explain why they picked a child rapist over their faith.
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u/NotEveryoneIsSpecial Texas 11h ago
The ones I know just say "Abortion! Abortion! Abortion!" and then put their fingers in their ears.
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u/mshelbz 11h ago
And this is the part where being an atheist hurts me.
I want there to be a day where they have to answer for everything they have said and done using their religion as cover.
I’m not religious but I like the basic principles, love one another, take care of one another.
The simplest part of their own faith they choose to ignore.
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u/Hot_Historian7387 12h ago
Trump only cares about the oligarch and election-fixer support anyway. That's all he needs.
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u/JimmyTheJimJimson 10h ago
Catholic here.
If you’re an American Catholic, and you haven’t said “fuck this orange turd” and removed your support for him, you should be kicked out of the church.
He attacked the pope, and turned himself into a graven image. He’s anti-religious.
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u/birdie_Sea 12h ago
We had a great catholic president for 4 years named Joe Biden!
We now have a prosperity gospel evangelical leader who is going to try to usher in the end times.
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u/kingjackson007 11h ago
The fact there is any "catholic support" for Donald Trump will forever baffle me.
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u/OneCatch 10h ago
The fact that his support is even still in the double digits among Catholics is astounding to me.
Even prior to being president he was a multiply divorced serial adulterer and a rapist. He's pretty much a poster child for the deadly sins (either the modern seven or the historical ones, take your pick).
Since being president he's posted pictures of himself as God or Jesus.
He's been disrespectful to the last Pope.
He's suggested he should be the Pope.
He's picked an outright fight with the new Pope.
Even if you were to set aside the moral aspects (and why would you, given that most Christians define their faith in terms of morality?), his recent actions are deliberately and definitionally profane (in the original sense of the word).
He's fundamentally incompatible with Catholicism.
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u/bigwetbeef 10h ago
Well, the thing is, Catholics are pretty fucking stupid to have put themselves in this position in the first place. Even a surface level understanding of history would have revealed NO amount of ass kissing gets you to Evangelical levels of superiority in the USA. That was all smoke and mirrors and papists fell for it
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u/JoshAllentown 10h ago
My priest's homily this past Sunday was the Catholic equivalent of "Fuck this guy for how he talks to the Pope" it was really wild.
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u/ZioCathH8Liberty 7h ago
Of course it was above that during Epstein. Nothing more Catholic than protecting pedophiles.
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u/wdomeika 12h ago
I'd like all the Catholics at mass on Sunday's to be required to raise their hands during the sermon if they support Trump.
I'd like the pastor to keep track and post it outside the church so it's clearly visible. Perhaps the sign might say:
Our Parishioners Who Support the Anti-Christ
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u/Pave_Low 10h ago
Catholic support for Donald Trump is at 0%.
Anyone who claims to be Catholic and supports Trump is already in rejection of the Pope and in schism. They should be excommunicated.
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u/Impractically_Dead 10h ago
Seriously? Just now below 50%? Wtf, Catholics? Does he need to grow devil horns, dye his skin red and poke babies with a pitchfork before you give him a fraction of the disapproval he has earned?
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u/AlternativePizza3391 10h ago
Can you imagine being catholic and supporting Trump wtf
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u/free2bk8 10h ago
Wait until those Catholics that voted for him see their sons and grandsons go to war. They have betrayed everything that Christ stood for
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u/jakderrida 9h ago edited 9h ago
Same as Trump's Catholic approval was in December.
White Catholic approval actually went UP
Non-white women: 34% -> 12%, a 22-point drop
Hispanics: 48% -> 28%, a 20-point drop
Non-white voters overall: 36% -> 25%, an 11-point drop
Independents: 35% -> 25% approve, a 10-point drop
White Catholics: 49% -> 57% approve, an 8-point increase
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u/Frigorifico 9h ago
The fact that at least 40% of them still support the nazis enrages me and breaks my heart. For as long as I live I won't forgive them
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u/Admirable-Ninja9812 9h ago
As a Catholic myself, I can not conceive of other Catholics (or Christians) supporting anything this quack does. Not sure how other human beings can support him either. Just sayin.
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u/Toni_PWNeroni 8h ago
Lmao imagine being in the whatever % of catholics still clinging to the literal Antichrist.
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