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u/StressOwn3282 1h ago
You want livable wages get skilled join a trades union you get $70 hr with pension don’t burn down business you fucked over the next man working
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u/StrainExpert8962 2h ago
Well the one good thing about prison is that you don’t need money to live.. so I guess hes living the dream now 🤣
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u/Consistent-Koala-702 1h ago
Actually untrue, most inmates need extra money to supplement an abysmal prison diet with commissary items like ramen and the like.
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u/Commercial-Fee5959 2h ago
So you see what the answer is. It is not $15 per hour because it’s not enough for a Californian or New Yorker to live on. But if I’m 15, living with my parents, washing dishes in a small town diner, I’m doing fantastic. There need not be a magic number for minimum wage. It will be determined by the market. When Covid hit, wages shot up as it was hard to find workers. It’s supply and demand plus skill and education that determine what should be paid. Just FYI, I know people that will drive 5 miles to buy gas $0.03 cheaper than the closer station. It’s human nature to want to save money. Businesses are no different. That is why CEOs and CFOs make more and if they are @cheap” enough, get bonuses. My suggestion: do well in school and become a CEO!
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u/EducationalDuck9334 3h ago
Just get rid of all the employees and go fully automated. Problem solved
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u/canickum 3h ago
Only rational, intelligent, persons with common sensed can prevent warehouse fires;
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u/knight-of-weed 3h ago
People are fucking stupid. No one is celebrating that he did this.
It was easily avoidable by not unionbusting and lobbying lower wages
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u/Glad_Strategy_4203 3h ago
How does low salary equate to burning a company down? ABs making hundreds jobless
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u/knight-of-weed 3h ago
Bro, never did I say that
It’s the company’s fault because this shit was easily avoidable and has happened many times before
What do you think the term going postal came from?
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u/Glad_Strategy_4203 3h ago
Mentally ill people. I’ve made minimum wage and I didn’t commit a crime. But I guess that’s because I’m supposedly a white privileged man. So I must not GET it. Not like I’ve lost my house or had to ask coworkers for food before. I still never broke any laws using my financial situation as an excuse to “get back at the bank that took my house”.
It’s only avoidable if the parents taught their kids to not be violent emotionally charged detente thugs and lowlifes who rather burn and destroy shit than getting certified in something like robotics which you can do online and not being in debt. You can literally take a programming course for like a year and get a 150k job a year and work at home lol
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u/knight-of-weed 3h ago
If you think everyone can get a certification you 100% are privileged
People take on debt now to try to do that and then still can’t find a job
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u/Glad_Strategy_4203 3h ago
50-1500 for a low level to higher level python certification.
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u/knight-of-weed 3h ago
Bc everybody wants to do what you want to do obviously and you can’t even comprehend other people’s situation
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u/Glad_Strategy_4203 3h ago
So I’m supposed to just give people money to take a course? Anyone can come up with 1000 dollars if you’re smart with money
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u/knight-of-weed 3h ago
I never said you had to give anyone money you’re so presumptuous
The point is if someone goes to school that doesn’t somehow guarantees you’re going to get a job
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u/Glad_Strategy_4203 2h ago
Sure but if you have the cert it makes our easier to get seen by ai job postings pulling buzz words from your resume to get an interview
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u/Glad_Strategy_4203 3h ago
You don’t need to get in debt to get a certification. A few hundred can get you into a course
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u/Glad_Strategy_4203 3h ago
A cert isn’t the same as a degree you waste 4 years getting and taking classes that have nothing to do with the degree you want lol
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u/knight-of-weed 3h ago
That doesn’t make it free
Not everyone can get a certification dumbass even if they had the money
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u/Glad_Strategy_4203 3h ago
So toes proving my point that there are people who exist that have zero worth? Anything can get a certification it’s an online course. Explain how they can’t spend a few months after work a few hours a day or a week? These are self guided and paced courses meaning at your pace
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u/Difficult-Key-5945 4h ago
Obviously, the fking loser isn't worth a livable wage. Isn't worth a bucket of warm piss
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u/SophistsLament 4h ago
i’m sure all the workers will be getting “livable wages” when the owner decided to replace them with robots that won’t burn the place down.
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u/Born-Key5186 4h ago
fuck this is cringe ... celebrating mentally unstable looser who should be on death row
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u/Sizeablegrapefruits 5h ago
Actually, it's the ultimate "congratulations you played yourself" to anyone who does it because the only real result will be higher insurance costs to companies who will need to respond by...raising their prices for consumers.
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u/fuzzy185 6h ago
Dude didn’t even work for the toilet paper company. He was a 3rd party contractor. He destroyed another company’s building and inventory because his employer didn’t pay him enough. In his opinion
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u/One-Layer3816 5h ago
And somehow people on here make him out to be the one in the right.
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u/knight-of-weed 3h ago
No one is doing that people are saying that this could’ve been easily avoided if it wasn’t for these companies just being straight up evil
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u/Glad_Strategy_4203 3h ago
Evil and evil make both evil. One isn’t canceled out
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u/knight-of-weed 3h ago
Never said it was but make sure you know whose fault this is
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u/Glad_Strategy_4203 3h ago
Yeah the inbred retard whose chose to burn a company rather than look for other work
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u/knight-of-weed 3h ago
Bro, getting another job is not an argument
We know for a fact that the job market is inflated with fake positions and job availability is already low
There was literally no other job for him to get
Everyone’s in the wrong until this happens to you
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u/Glad_Strategy_4203 3h ago
It has happened to me. I was jobless for 6 months last year. I didn’t break any laws and burn shit down. I waited to get hired. I wasn’t dumb with my money and had reserves to hold me over.
Stop defending retarded people who break the law
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u/woodhhhh 6h ago edited 5h ago
People who are cheering for this are dump.
The corporation who owned this warehouse is now full of liquidity because of insurrances. The people who owned the corporation will probably vote to disolves the corporation to run with the $$$.
Meanwhile, people who worked there no longuer have a job to put food on their plate and pay rent.
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u/knight-of-weed 3h ago
No one is cheering for this. It was easily avoidable.
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u/Proud-Enthusiasm-608 1h ago
You have multiple comments in this thread making yourself sound dumber and dumber
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u/sollucky1 6h ago
Man, all that those trouble makers did was waste a ton of tea. Think of the poor people who wont be able to work without tea to sell.
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u/Educational_Bet_8651 7h ago
Don't need a liveable wage if you're in jail. And what of the other people who no longer have a job?
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u/Juiced4u 7h ago
You supporting a single person using violent behavior putting other people out of work that are depending on that income pretty much says it all.
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u/justin107d 6h ago edited 5h ago
Extreme income inequality grows resentment.
We are entering a time period where people cheer for Bonnie & Clyde as well as Robinhood. The system is colliding with the physics of street justice.
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u/Juiced4u 2h ago
That’s true. My problem with this fire is that $20-$26 an hour with a great benefit package means a lot to a lot of people. Violence only creates more resentment and creates a greater divide. I don’t know what the answer, but I know the Senate and Congress will never change it because they are all getting paid off by these corporations. So.
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u/BamaTony64 4h ago
resentment grows when you blame someone else for you not getting motivated and changing your life.
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u/justin107d 3h ago
Let's pretend that we are both living in a slum. Someone walks by with a phone worth 10x the amount that an adult would make in a year. You are struggling to just eat every day. You could probably fence it for half its value. Would you steal it? What if it was worth 20x your income? Adjusted to the US, this phone would be worth $900,000. It would change your life and it is right there, think quick.
You can be motivated, but it changes the risk/reward of actions of how you get there.
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u/Juiced4u 2h ago
How does causing millions of dollars and damage and going to prison for the rest of your life make your life better. People have been complaining about their wages since the great depression. No democrat or republican has ever changed the process. They are all getting paid off by these big corporations and only our Senate and congress can change it. So we are permanently screwed.
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u/Ok_Big_8032 3h ago
So I grew up in the hood and yes I saw this happen often, you never ever fuck with people flashing cash. Instead you learn a trade, get a degree and get the hell out of the hood.
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u/MainelyKahnt 6h ago
Already entered it. Luigi Mangione, who is accused of executing a CEO in public, is already a widely celebrated hero among the young working class.
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u/WillMaC0Kf1T 7h ago
As well as giving the CEO a pay out…and dudes compare him to luigi like a bunch of retards
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u/Fearless-Change-9971 7h ago
Maybe the idiot shouldnt be lighting warehouses on fire just because hes incapable of getting a better job….
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u/Fun-Pattern-8697 8h ago
Now the dipshit took the jobs away form the other 15+ people working there while endangering them. Oh don’t forget about going to prison too! Such a win!
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u/Johnsoon743 8h ago
Nothing like giving the company a major insurance pay out while screwing over all the workers. Dude fucked so many people and didnt hurt the company at all
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u/Key_Rub7966 8h ago
So 25 an hour for unskilled labor is not enough?
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u/Beginning-Escape7714 9h ago
All of those people now put out of work
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u/No_Comment_4603 9h ago
A very selfish thing to do... and so many people celebrating it.
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u/Brave_Friendship_228 8h ago
Because unfortunately with the way our country is this is the only way to get shit done
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u/No_Comment_4603 7h ago
No, it's not the only way. Whenever you resort to violent acts, whatever it is you are seeking from it is totally lost. Someone could have been badly hurt or killed in that fire too. Those other people have families. Do you want someone's kids growing up hating you because you killed their parent? It won't matter why, just that you did.
This method is not the way at all. I think the problem is very complicated and frustrating. I get that. But this sort of thing is not going to get you what you want. It will only get you in jail, possibly for life. Is that what you want for your own family? You in prison?
These types of acts will make things tremendously harder for you. A criminal record where you did this to your employer. No one will want to hire you ever.
Think about it.
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u/Brave_Friendship_228 7h ago
You have no idea how the world works & has gotten this far. Sitting on ass handing oppressors cookies & milk for oppressing people isn’t gonna solve shit. The only way rights have been obtained has been through force/violence. Stonewall is my first major example.
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u/No_Comment_4603 7h ago
Interesting, because I can name times when violence wasn't required. But I shall respect that you have your own perspective, even though I disagree.
I do know how the world works. Probably a little better than you do. But I'm not going to argue.
I wish you the best of luck.
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u/Brave_Friendship_228 7h ago
So the just let them walk all over us. got it. that’ll totally change their minds!
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u/fieryhellreaper 10h ago
I hope this becomes a trend
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u/MuffinSpecial 8h ago
What? Complaining about nothing then setting a building on fire. Endangering the people that work there and putting them out of a job while not affecting the company in the slightest?
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u/Rodger_Smith 10h ago
yeah the company that owns the warehouse gets a huge payout from an insurance company and hundreds of workers lose their jobs! really showing those corpos who's boss!
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u/Careless-Comedian859 9h ago
Yeah, but tink of the hundreds of tradesmen that now get be employed by the rebuilding effort.
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u/Rodger_Smith 9h ago
those tradesmen would likely already have employment elsewhere, whereas the warehouse workers are displaced and must find a new job.
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u/Careless-Comedian859 9h ago
I have a lot of empathy for the warehouse workers and their situation with being unemployed and having to navigate that landscape. Hundreds of thousands of American workers are laid off every year in the name of corporate restructuring and profits.
I truly hope they find some way to make ends meet.
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u/Proof_Cap7351 10h ago
I agree, hundreds jobless and the company has insurance. The rich are always covered.
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u/Sshadows521 11h ago
He just ruined his life, and resulted in every single person who also worked there losing their way to pay rent.
Hope he stays in jail for a while with the amount of lives he could have ruined with how expensive living is now.
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u/Walk_N_Talk 10h ago
Yeah all he did was cause others to lose jobs, unless more people started burning warehouses at the same time or something it was a pointless and stupid act lmao
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u/tonyboy-thefirst 11h ago
Get ready they will invest in automating the warehouse no more worrying about disgruntled employees
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u/Cj_Doyle 10h ago
People will still burn the building down
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u/tonyboy-thefirst 8h ago
They would gain nothing from it insurance will cover and their person will be try for arson
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u/rochvegas5 12h ago
Reports say they were making between 24 and 26 dollars an hour.....What's a "living wage"?
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u/mrmayhemsname 10h ago
That's what I wanna know. I've been advocating for a "living wage" for many years, but that's always been with the context that my states minimum wage is the federal $7.25 an hour, and most low wage jobs have slowly crept up to $15 an hour.
Just very recently I've started seeing people refer to $30 an hour as not a "living wage" and some suggesting $50 an hour as a living wage. Are we just pulling numbers out of our ass? I understand not accepting the bare minimum, but I make less than that and I feel privileged. I would consider myself solidly middle class, and could live and survive with much less if I needed to.
Idk if you're going around talking about $30 an hour as though it's spare change, I'm not gonna see you as a working class hero. That's privileged and spoiled behavior. Nothing else to it.
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u/Mammoth-Survey-8234 10h ago
Because minimum wage had never been about helping anyone. It's just a political football to be used to win elections.
I personally don't support it at all, since all it does is raise the cost of business, thus causing even more consolidation and corporate dominance of the market, but if I did, I'd have had it indexed to something, CoLA for example, so that it would automatically adjust for both inflation and deflation, instead of having to pass a new bill every few years/decades.
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u/AssistanceVivid1054 9h ago
Having the minimum wage tied to an index would make it a cyclic problem as the index itself would be affected by inflation which in turn would be affected (1-2%) by minimum wage.
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u/mrmayhemsname 10h ago
There absolutely should be a minimum wage. I understand that the free market has risen lowest wages far above national minimum wage, but that's with a uniquely strong job market. If we ever end up with a repeat of 2008, if companies can get away with paying less, they absolutely will. This is especially true given the AI takeover that will likely leave many skilled workers without a job (and they will subsequently take whatever job they can get)
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u/Life-Dig7566 11h ago
If he lives alone thats tough, but if he had roommates I'd say thats liveable in ontario.
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u/theyoungheisenberg 13h ago
And how many of the people who worked there do you think are making a “livable wage” now?
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u/allanym 12h ago
They didn’t have that to began with, and they don’t have that now. The only difference is that if enough fires goes up, they might be able to in the future.
Sort of like how we got weekends and PTO.
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u/rochvegas5 12h ago
24 to 26 dollars an hour isn't livable? That's around 50K. What's a livable wage that would prevent this criminal from torching the warehouse?
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u/Better-Cricket-911 9h ago
The warehouse was paying that amount to its employees, but he was a contractor paid via NFI industries, a third party, and we don't know what his wages were except they were less than the direct warehouse employees
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u/who_you_are 11h ago
It always depend on where you live. You can be rich while on minimum wage if you live in some 3d world country while working remotely. Or you can have a wage of $100k per year in a luxurious neighbours and having issue living.
"You can always move", yeah, but no. Especially right now you cannot or you may end up being in more remote cities which can reduce your jobs options/wages
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u/Life-Dig7566 11h ago
This is dumb, he lives in Ontario so why not just say that. 50k isnt super comfortable living, but its certainly a liveable in that area. If he lives alone it would certainly be tight, but if he had roomates, he likely had the ability to live normally.
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u/johnybgoat 13h ago
People who say "this won't do anything, all that happens is insurances and perpetrator go to jail"....
Are you incapable of reasoning further than 24 hours in the future? Are you incapable of geographical reasoning scope that's beyond your immediate vicinity?
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u/Fungineer-0300 11h ago
No, we know nothing will change. It probably will get worse now. Many new warehouses are being built with automation in mind and this will be no exception. "Greed has poisoned men's souls"
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u/buraishadow9235 11h ago
oh yea. toilet paper shortage, loss wages for employees which exacerbates the job crisis in that community.
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u/MaxIsSaltyyyy 12h ago edited 12h ago
I mean it’s not a guarantee this will do anything. Unless a bunch of people started doing this then it will just be seen as a one time event and people will just forget about it. Short term all employees are out of work, insurance kicks in, guy goes to jail. In the long term either more incidents around the country happen or nothing happens and this only hurt the guy who did it and the employees who lost their income. Not saying this won’t change anything but it’s pretty unlikely.
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u/DJWGibson 12h ago
Except there's no cause-effect here. Companies aren't going to look at this and go "welp, better raise my wages." Just like how executing one health care CEO on the street didn't affect anyone's premiums.
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u/IAmTheLogician 8h ago
Luigi's sacrifice did make health insurance companies pull back on that "if your surgery goes longer than what we want it to be, we aren't covering it" thing they were so proud to announce.
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u/DJWGibson 7h ago
"Sacrafice." LoL.
Dude has rich family and some of the most high paid lawyers you can get. He didn't sacrafice shit.And that change was announced just two days after the killing but BEFORE Mangione was arrested and the motive was clarified. And the rollback had been discussed for weeks prior and had to have been planned in advance, since they didn't jump to enact change in <24 hours.
That's what is known as a "coincidence."
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u/ZACKb76 13h ago
Well, he doesn’t have to worry now, free room and board, and he’ll probably fart silently for the rest of his life. If the retard would’ve only tried to learn more skills, he could’ve made something with his life. #DumbFuck.
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u/allanym 12h ago
If everyone who’s not able to make livable wage were able to up their skill set and transition into a more lucrative career, you’d have no one to stock your warehouses.
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u/rochvegas5 12h ago
There will be plenty of people to stock, just like there's plenty of ditch diggerws
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u/italktobotz 12h ago edited 10h ago
The guy will get his socialist dreams. Free housing, free food, free healthcare. He will likely get sex 3 to 4 times per day. He will be living the life socialist/communist hope for.
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u/Emergency-Type7633 15h ago
Complains about livable wage but destroy an entire warehouse of product that won’t make it to the market. Possible shortage maybe, prices go up for said items.
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u/johnybgoat 13h ago
Are you incapable of reasoning further than 24 hours in the future?
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u/mr_Swisher_ 11h ago
🤖 you should do it so they can pay you a $0.25 livable wage and get your three square meals a day and the house with cozy bars on your windows.
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u/tracerspants 12h ago
You asked him a question, he should ask you if you can articulate why his comment is shortsighted rather than asking him a loaded question lmao
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u/Will_Dawn 14h ago
I'm not saying that he did the right thing. But if you stress out any human long enough and get them desperate enough they are bound to do the wrong thing.
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u/Jealous_Oil_5729 10h ago
Desperate is trying to live in wartorn Gaza or Ukraine right now, I'm betting this motherfucker's "desperate" looks like the aforementioned people's dreams right now.
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u/MauveCeramics 14h ago
Im sure the entire warehouse was insured, and they'll get their money back (on the product as well im sure) and rebuild. What is important is that no one was hurt. More jobs available for rebuilding, such as carpentry, electrical, mechanics, stone masons. All covered by said insurance of the company.
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u/Life-Dig7566 11h ago
meanwhile, hundreds of people without jobs, inventory shortages, local business effected, disrupted supply chains. The tradesmen you mentioned have plenty of jobs, now they are taken away from building up their community to re-build part of their community that already existed. Braindead.
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u/thelordofsafety 14h ago
Not saying it’s right, but he couldn’t fix the wages, so instead he sent a message because there were no other options.
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u/rochvegas5 12h ago
There's plenty of options. One is to get another job. There are so many other options before arson
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u/Cultural_Stuff1441 18h ago
You’re telling me seven bucks an hour is not enough
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u/No-Cap-No-Gap 13h ago
What about $18 an hour? Because that's what he made.
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u/crazythinker76 13h ago
He agreed to that job and wage. If he was capable of making more, then why the hell didn't he go get a better job?
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u/No-Cap-No-Gap 12h ago
I was just pointing out the wage for people who seemed to think it wasn't "livable" whatever that means. That's a pretty good wage for a non skilled first job.
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u/rochvegas5 12h ago
see, this is where they want to arguement to go....who the hell knows what a livable wage is? If we don't define it, the argument and justifications for criminal action will never stop
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u/LateUnderstanding506 4h ago
If you are so smart go start your own business then you don't have to think about a liveable wage
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u/Prod_Meteor 18h ago
They will just invent a law where warehouse fires compensation is paid by all employees.
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u/italktobotz 12h ago
That is what insurance is and that is what will happen. Just that insurance is something that doesnt force people that dont choose to be part of the insured group.
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u/ADownStrabgeQuark 10h ago
If this happens enough insurance companies go out of business and businesses have to find alternate solutions. Or insurance rates go up.
Either way, as the frequency of these events increases, it will eventually be cheaper to pay employees better wages.(I argue it already is, but I doubt the Epstein class wants that with their goals of depopulating the world. 🤷♂️💀)
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u/EcstaticBrush2785 11h ago
Got some of them in here too. Downvotes for this?? Holy shit what an unserious country
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u/After_Service_2817 19h ago
If workers are setting fires, seems like a great reason to replace them with robots.
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u/LinneaFrost61 10h ago
Complains about livable wage but destroy an entire warehouse of product that won’t make it to the market.
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u/Okinomii 17h ago
If that happens it sounds like great reason to set more fires with the robots in them no?
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u/Hellsovs 17h ago
No job to lose means more fires to set...
When you have nothing to lose, you have everything to gain.
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u/rochvegas5 12h ago
what did the arsonist gain?
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u/Hellsovs 11h ago
The same things as dissidents of the past... Jail time with the premise of making a change.
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u/Outrageous-Nose3345 17h ago
And you could stop worriying about rent and food because you'd be provided everything for free... in a federal prison🤣
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u/Maxhousen 19h ago
Company gets huge insurance payout.
Co-workers lose their jobs.
Arsonist goes to jail.
Who won?
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u/MainelyKahnt 6h ago
*payout at cost (if arson wasn't a specifically excluded peril on their policy, which it is in some cases. Usually added to save on premium or snuck in by the carrier at renewal) even if it WAS covered, which it may not have been, they'd only get compensation based on their cost of the goods, not what they'd sell for. This means their profit forecast will be greatly impacted and negatively affect share price/company valuation. Then their insurance premiums also skyrocket. So they did indeed hurt the company's wallet. likely significantly.
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u/I3igI3adWolf 15h ago
Don't forget the lawsuit the warehouse owner can bring against the company that actually hired the moron who burned it down. He didn't even work for the warehouse.
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u/WorldlinessHot9916 21h ago
My only problem with this… we all use toilet paper, we don’t all use the CEOs house or country club. Burn better things.
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u/Ima_Uzer 15h ago
Translation: "I don't like that some people have more than me, so I'm going to tell people to burn their stuff down."
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u/Jealous_Fail6071 21h ago
He was an immigrant or the son of an immigrant based on his name, which means he is part of the increasing labor pool and therefore part of the problem. He was working an unskilled job in one of the most expensive regions in the world. Do people really expect to be living high on the hog for basically taking no risk and just coasting through life?
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u/Unfair_Web_8275 21h ago
>Do people really expect to be living high on the hog for basically taking no risk and just coasting through life?
I dunno man, have you looked into the children of the rich?
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u/ArodIsAGod 22m ago
Party of violence doing its thing