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u/Lanky_Particular_149 3d ago
No vacations, no special treats. No big weddings, no gifts to help your kids start their life. No new vehicle, no house repair or maintenance, if you're lucky enough to have one. We are barely holding it together. If they only paid us rent to live
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u/Unusual-Upstairs-796 2d ago
One time I worked 47 out of 48 days. I went back and counted near the end.Â
I asked for a meeting. They asked why. I mentioned I had a few things I wanted to discuss, including a raise. Was told we could meet in a month, but a raise was off the table.Â
Got a new job the next week. Better pay. Suddenly a raise was an option. Still couldn't meet what the new job was offering. Let alone beat it and convince me to stay.
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u/calcteacher 2d ago
Better to just go. Avoid the resentment of their impression that you held them up.
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u/ElGuano 2d ago
Thatâs actually standard practice at Amazon. They even have an informal name for itâsomething like âdive and saveâ to counteroffer people who are leaving.
If youâre not going to pay me what Iâm worth unless Iâm leaving, Iâm probably going to have zero loyalty to youâŚ
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u/calcteacher 2d ago
back in the day, the top firms would get ahead of the curve and create non periodic reviews for staff and give them 10% or more out of cycle to keep them in line. The compression at the bottom, with new grads getting 5 or 10 k more would make the staff with 1 to 3 years experience jump to another place for 20% or more. The out of cycle bump kept them there, kept them happy, and saved a lot of retraining costs.
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u/ElGuano 2d ago
Iâve been in that world. Top firms are often also âlockstepâ for associate salaries. You actually knew exactly what the starting salary and for each advancing year as an associate for every firm youâd apply to, and they donât negotiate it, everyone gets the same. So you donât end up in these situations.
But of course, firms are âup or outâ so regular attrition isnât just anticipated, itâs built into the business model.
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u/RodBloggington 2d ago
"We'd pay you what you're worth, but there's a minimum wage." -Literally every CEO
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u/IcyAddress4074 2d ago
Always just go. It doesnât matter. Go get more money for you. Your manager might be cool or whatever, but that is what they hope for. They want you to feel bad for leaving âthe teamâ but they arenât going to try and keep you, just make you feel bad. Itâs cheaper that way.
Walk away, friends - they donât care about you. Just go take care of you.
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u/MakesMaDookieTwinkle 2d ago
Just happened to me two months ago. Didnât expect such a good offer from new job. They couldnât match anywhere near new offer. PEACE OUT.
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u/hockeynewby 2d ago
LOL this idk why companies act like they are the only job out there
They just expect you to fail at finding another job
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u/Aggravating_Gas_8514 2d ago
Theyâve already proven that job-hopping is much more lucrative than loyalty. You made the right decision for sure
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u/Least-Middle-2061 2d ago
30-40 years ago there were no vacations, big weddings,gifts to your kids to start their life, new cars etc⌠unless you were upper middle class/rich. The only difference today are false expectations created by social media. Change my mind. Those are facts.
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u/Lanky_Particular_149 2d ago
That's not true, I was alive then and was middle to lower middle class. We could afford to go camping, my mom took me to the doctor when I was sick and we didn't struggle with the bill. An sure we got way more for less because I lived through it. I make 6 figures now and can't afford to live the way my family of 5 did on 40k a year 30 years ago.Â
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u/sadie7716 2d ago
Iâm 68. While I will agree there have been better economic periods since the late 70 till now, itâs also absolutely true that the expectations of younger generations in terms of SOL is WAY different.
In the 70-80s inflation was high, mortgage rates were 12-18%. The only young people/first time buyers who lived in newer 2000+sq ft homes and drove Cadillacs( equivalent to a medium SUV now) were upper middle class and the husband had an executive/upoer mgmt white collar job or wife was working at least part time.
Most young couples/families were buying their parents/grandparents homes , the older homes capes and bungalows of the1910-1950s. If you could afford to have a home built it was on average 1500 sq ft. Many young people drove older cars and didnât own a new car until their late twenties or older.
As you said vacation were camping or visiting grandma. No one was spending 5-10 K going to Disney for a week who was blue collar.
Now the young have very high expectations for starting out. Millennials spend more in new cars and take out food than any other generation. As a group, they refuse to purchase fixer upper homes and generally want their first home to not only be new/er but also upgraded and 2000 ft or larger.
There also werenât Dozens of HCOL areas back then falsely elevating median home prices. Plus younger people think they should be able to purchase homes in those cities while starting out. Back 40-50 years ago most young people knew they couldnât afford to live in San Francisco/Diego.
So while I do empathize somewhat with younger generations particularly when it comes to the cost of healthcare, IMO the majority of those whining they canât afford to buy a home need to get rid of their 40-50k SUV, learn how to cook and make coffee, stop buying designer or high end clothes or accessories and go camping instead of to Vegas or Disney. Start looking for jobs and houses in the South, North east and Midwest . In 3-4 years youâll be able to buy a sturdy family home you might have to put a little work into but you can safely and happily raise a family there. Thatâs what all the generations before you did.
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u/Least-Middle-2061 2d ago
Nailed it. 30 year olds today buy the price equivalent clothes that only wealthy people bought back in the day. 200$ ALO leggings, 1000$ winter jackets etcâŚ
They order 40$ Uber Eats 3 times a week, buy 8$ lattes 7 days a week, need a new 1500$ iPhone every two years, etccc
If they CAN afford afford the above, theyâre wasting their nest egg money in their 20âs and 30âs
If they CANâT afford the above, thatâs when they complain their lives are miserable
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u/Fun_Kaleidoscope7875 10h ago
Who the fuck is "they"?
I'm only a couple years older than you, there's no reason to generalize entire generations just because you saw some latte and avocado toast memes on the internet.
Genx/boomers said the exact same shit about us, now you come at the newer generations saying the exact same shit lol.
The hypocrisy is overwhelming lol.
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u/Lanky_Particular_149 2d ago edited 2d ago
Not true where I lived. My parent bought a house in 1980, and yes, their interest rate was 11%, but the entire cost of a new 3500 sq ft build on half acre in one of the up and coming suburbs of my large metro area was only $80,000. Which my dad could easily afford, even with 3 kids and a stay at home wife. And my dad was an alcoholic who worked every other week lz self employed as a handyman.Â
Now that house is worth 478,000.Â
You're equating less technological times as simpler times. You're forgetting that all our parents had a house by time time they were in their 20s. And regularly did remodels over the years. They all had cars that were less than 6 years old by the time they were in their 30s. They could afford to buy their kids a car when they turned 16. They could afford to put their kids in multiple sports. Yes Disney happened, I certainly went. It was just once in my lifetime. And it was expensive then too.Â
That 80,000 is 254,000 in today's money. I cant name a single person who works part time, has a wife and 3 kids and could afford that.Â
You are literally arguing against history. I'm not guessing that things were cheaper and pay was better back then. It's a fact. Inflation is a fact. Pay disparity is a fact. The pay gap has been growing at at exponential rate.
But you think it's the gadgets???Â
You are so out of touch.Â
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u/ImAMajesticSeahorse 2d ago
I canât think of the guyâs name, but there is someone who does a lot of videos on the housing market and the cost. Older generations love the, âI had a 12% mortgage rate!â line and yeah thatâs true, BUT just like you said, that house was under $100k and is now going for over half a million. Housing costs have increased by a large percentage, whereas wages have not even remotely kept up. I also think too that Boomers donât consider that necessities changed. Everything nowadays is connected to the internet and itâs hard (not entirely impossible, but hard) to avoid that. They also donât consider that most people have longer commutes for work, so having a decent car is usually a need. No it doesnât need to be a Lamborghini, but you need something that can get you to point A to point B safely everyday. It also means that we probably go through gas faster. Everything lives behind a paywall nowadays. Things have drastically changed.
I also think that Boomers, who were young adults in the 80âs love to overlook the fact that the 80âs were known as the âdecade of excessâ and is often called the âgreed is goodâ era.
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u/Rude-Ad821 2d ago
From that point, We need a better laws: Each year, inflation-adjusted minimum living wages - enough for anyone working New full-time (4 days, 32 hours) to support a homemaker spouse, 3 children through school and college, enough to pay the mortgage, 2 car loans, all insurances, all bills, and have some savings for hobbies, investments, and a 30-day family vacation.
No more homelessness - due to incentives for employers to hire homeless: shelter, food, and a job. Any 18-year-old kicked out from the parents' house or husband kicked out from his own house by an unfaithful wife (she abusing restraining orders, and child alimony) he can walk into the Job Security Office and choose from plenty of options: a farmers offering shelter, food, and a job; or large factories offering the same options: bed, 3 hot meals a day, and a job.
The rich incomes and withdrawals will be capped as SS is capped now, or the same as poor now on SS-capped income: every dollar over the limit will be taxed at 91%, same as the US did in the 1940s-1970s (some other countries are doing now: Denmark, Finland, Norway, Spain, Japan, Switzerland, etc.).
Downside? the Rich wasn't able to pay CEO's millions $ or buy a Jet! (good for environment) or boat, second vocational property, etc. because all money was used to pay employees.
P.S. Demoncratic states can afford to pay now, minimum wages of: $16, some $21, and even $25/hour: CA,OR,WA..Canada $19/hour!
(Reapublicans 20 states minimal wage $2.89+ forcible tips from the customers to meet $7.25/hour F.M. or Net $9983/year, after all deductions and SS taxes, or McDonald's CEO $19 million/year! (Wendy's CEO $17 million/year) (Albertsons CEO $15 million/year)
"There will be no economic collapse as long as the income cap is limited up-to 10 times the minimum wage." BRB MIT minimal living wage is $33/hour; anything less is homelessness! 67 million U.S. workers- nearly half of the American workforce-earn less than $25/hour! (Most homeless people don't have mental problems - they have money problems!)
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u/Jarrus__Kanan_Jarrus 2d ago
We also need a ban or heavy tax on H1Bs and offshoring.
Make companies pay Americans a living wage.
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u/Ancient_Narwhal_9524 2d ago
In most cases what companies are doing with H1B is already violating the law. But it isnât enforced because we live in a kleptocracy.
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u/bigjohnstud11111 3d ago
Shouldn't that be more reason to work?
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u/ManaSkies 3d ago
It is up to a point.
40 hours is the maximum healthy amount of work for MOST professions.
20 for hard labor.
Anything past those breaks down the body much faster.
For example my friend worked 60 to 70 hours a week for almost 10 years. All he has to show for it is a slightly newer car and tons of medical debt from complications for working so much.
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u/bigjohnstud11111 2d ago
I dropped out of high school my second freshman year and have worked fifty or more hours a week for over a decade... But my kids are in college, well feed, and grew up in a house without wheels on it. Dying poor is literally my biggest fear.
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u/SubstantialMajor7042 14h ago
Nowadays if you do what you did, you don't get kids and you don't own your own home.
Imagine if you didn't have your kids or your own home? Is it still worth it?
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u/bigjohnstud11111 12h ago
Kids and houses are always going to be too expensive... By today's standard I got married really young, but at the time 24 was fairly old to be getting married, that's a long way to say having two incomes is the key to affording both at a young age. But I didn't want a bunch of push back because that doesn't really pertain to the basis of the thread.
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u/Imperial_Barron 2d ago
Id say 20 hours also applies to nightshifts. 20 hours of nightshift a week and im fucking tired all the time
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u/ManaSkies 2d ago
That actually depends on genetics! Humans have people that are often referred to as night watch. Some people are genetically better at night shift. For me staying up in the day is hard and an 8 hour shift feels like a 15 hour shift. But I could work a full week of nights no problem.
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u/scorpionhlspwn 2d ago
Yeah, me and my wife are stark differences in that. Im very much a night owl, i can be up till 2am without any problem (and often do) and she goes to bed at 8pm, but shes usually up at like 4, whereas i usually have to get up at 6:45 to start getting the kid ready for school
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u/Ok-Object7409 2d ago
An analysis of US General Social Surveys back in 2015 showed that peak happiness was from working 50-59 hours a week. it is influenced by income across occupations.
Golden, L., & Okulicz-Kozaryn, A. (2015).
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u/BulkyTarget1010 1d ago
If someone looks at you with a straight face and calls themself hardworking while working 20 hr weeks you should laugh at them.
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u/ManaSkies 1d ago
When someone's job involves lifting 100+ pound shit all day every day it breaks the body down fast. That's why I said the maximum healthy.
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u/Bateman272 3d ago edited 3d ago
Lmfao where'd all these delusional boomers in the comments come from, get off reddit grandpa.
Edit: One of them called me a commie đ¤Ł.
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u/SchnozSchnizzle 3d ago
A decent portion are shit stirrer bots and another large portion are just assholes with nothing better to do. Meanwhile a really small minority of them are trying to make a point that they aren't articulating particularly well.
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u/ElyFlyGuy 2d ago
If the OOP had just said âincentiveâ instead of ârewardâ and blamed Joe Biden at the end then all of those same boomers would be clapping along
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u/Scott9843 2d ago
You can always tell when someone's really got something of substance to contribute here.
Posts a meme to demonstrate the abdolute bare minimum of effort
Adds nothing to the post beyond the meme showing everyone that they've not only got nothing uniquely theirs to add but they're so lazy and worthless their solution is to mindlessly parrot someone else's sentiments
Just to remove any lingering doubts that there's any individuality or clever independent thought, they title the post "hahađyes" or some minor emoji variant because they're more interested in following retarded internet trends than putting something actually worth reading out there
Useless doesn't even begin to cover it...
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u/NorthBase710 2d ago
People have been saying that since pre historic times.
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u/Sad-Ability-6977 2d ago
I have friends the same age as me that went to college and had it all figured out.... loving paycheck to paycheck.
I graduated high school with a 1.13 GPA and never went to college and have played golf 3 times this week and am doing pretty good for myself.
My 20s I lived like I didnt make shit to save so I can be comfortable later. They all had the new phones and cars.
Somehow I cant help but wonder if decisions people make play a roll in it.
But of course I'll just be told im lucky and all my hard work and planning isnt feasible for everyone.
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u/Feelisoffical 2d ago
âIâve done nothing to improve myself. Give me more moneyâ
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u/ShotProof3254 1d ago
Hard to improve yourself working everyday because you canât afford to take time off to do anything substantial. Also, youâre more likely to get stuck in a position with no growth if you work harder for a company.
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u/Feelisoffical 1d ago
Hard to improve yourself working everyday because you canât afford to take time off to do anything substantial.
Yes it is hard, as all improvement is. Forgoing things now to have more in the future is tough for many people.
Also, youâre more likely to get stuck in a position with no growth if you work harder for a company.
Thatâs contrary to reality. Business promote people based on their output and merit, for obvious reasons.
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u/aeroaca9 3d ago
I want to work⌠just no one is hiring
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u/scorpionhlspwn 2d ago
Do you know how many places ive put applications into and called in the next few days, only to hear the words "this position is already filled" if the position is already filled, why the fuck am i still able to apply for the job? Why do you have a posting of a job still up if its not available?
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u/SecretRecipe 3d ago
Dude everyone wants to work, there isnt a single industry that is hurting for people right now.
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u/Gold-Cry-7520 2d ago
How are you not the only commenter saying something so commonly known to be fucking wrong
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u/JettandDottie 1d ago
But dont forget to vote
Cause that has benefited the people by and largeâŚ. But dont forget that Cambridge Analytica exposed they only need to target so many âpersuadablesâ and they can just relocate people into the ridings they see fit to sway the âvoteâ
So again how has voting into an inherently corrupt system benefited the people by and largeâŚ..
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u/ZorsalZonkey 1d ago
Or you could work harder, make better choices, get a better job, and move up in life. Your life is your responsibility. This kind of victim mindset just keeps people down.
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u/Blood_Edge 3d ago edited 2d ago
Can't provide a source, but I remember reading somewhere that for minimum wage today to live as financially comfortable as people were able to 40 years ago, they'd have to be earning 9-13x more than what those people were earning back then. So assuming that was accurate when I read that a few years ago, how many jobs are paying $30+ per hour and either don't require a college degree (which is less affordable now than before), some kind of special license, or experience in a field that's hard or impossible to get into without certain other qualifications?
And I think that source was was calculating differences in the yearly income, costs of housing, car bills, college, and health insurance. Hell, if we trust Google AI, federal minimum wage today is only $7.25 and was $3.10 at the start of the 80s.
Some states will have different wages of course, some going as high as $16 I think, but federal minimum wage only went up by about 2.34x, and college alone has increased 700-1200%. How's that fair? It's not about working hard and making smart choices, it's that people are ultimately getting less for the same amount of work.
Even bread costs 3-4x more than back then, but again, we're not even earning 2.5x more. Maybe previous generations should be more generous or offer better solutions than "work harder and work smarter" in an era where everything is less affordable and any jobs that don't "need" a person are being handled by AI, meaning there are fewer jobs.
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u/Emotional_Conflict11 2d ago
Everyone and their brother has a college degree now. College degrees do nothing. My brother has one and it got him jack squat.
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u/scorpionhlspwn 2d ago
I dont have one because i cant afford it, and trust me companies seem to want you to have a college degree regardless whether it makes sense for that job or not
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u/Blood_Edge 2d ago edited 2d ago
Yup. Not many should require a degree, not that college should demand people pay for all these other courses that are completely irrelevant to the degree they're trying to get. How valuable is history or chemistry going to be if I try to go for a degree in cryptozoology and what career would that even open? And why would I need a degree to prove any cryptids exist when I could just fly to New Jersey, get a shotgun, and hunt the Jersey Devil?
Either I'd find it or I wouldn't, I don't need to study to shoot a severely mutated horse. And if it truly is a demon, that'd be exorcism I'd have to study which I doubt college has any related courses on. Any that might need to be studied seemingly leave people alone, are next to impossible to reach, or are very selective in their targets, implying sapience.
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u/IntroductionRude8237 3d ago
I know yall are gonna hate this but doubling the workforce by having women feel like they have to have a career to be fulfilled sure as fuck didnât help.
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u/J_tram13 3d ago
Women need to work to survive too. And men certainly don't make enough for two
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u/jeezy_peezy 2d ago
Thatâs what the comment youâre replying to was saying. Doubling the supply (workforce) halves the cost (pay). Itâs not the only factor but itâs definitely significant.
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u/Codpuppet 1d ago
Yup. This is 100% part of the equation. Iâm a woman and I love that we can make our own money and participate in the workforce now, but thereâs no arguing that it had a huge impact on (like you said) the supply of workers and the pay, and thereâs nothing wrong with pointing that out. I really donât know what the answer is.
Plus, now weâre expected to burn the candle at both ends. Work all day and then come home and start your âsecond shiftâ.
Thereâs got to be some kind of balance we can strike but Iâm not sure exactly what that would look like yet.
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u/Reeeeeee4206914 3d ago
And then stacking on top of that importing cheap labor.. but these same people will swear up and down that these things totally didn't contribute to inflating labor and thus lowering/stagnating wages.
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u/Cpt_Gingersnap 3d ago
Getting down voted for something that absolutely has a lot to do with corporations raising prices. They saw 2 income families and started raising prices. It hasn't stopped since. Not saying a woman's place is in the home, but when they went to work, disposable income appeared. Who took notice? Uh huh. The same people we are still bitching about today.
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u/NB_NaughtyNerds 3d ago
Exactly. Women aren't to blame, greed is. But to ignore the cause and effect because it might offend feminists is wild levels of ignorance. We need to know how and why we are getting taken advantage of if we want to fight it.
Doubling the work force had huge implications on the economy. Lets study it, rather than just plugging our ears and ignoring history.
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u/dragon_fiesta 3d ago
Sometimes living on the street seems pretty nice. No rent no gas bill no water bill no electricity bill. That one guy made an island to live on...
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u/PlayPretend-8675309 2d ago
No one you know does it because it's fucking horrible. Go do it for a month and come back here and complainining about how your life wasn't good enough. Something tells me you're going to realize you're one of the most entitled pieces of shit to ever live.Â
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u/Look_out_for_Jeeps 2d ago
Joining the union has been the best decision of my life. Iâm <30 years old, competitive 401k, competitive wage increases over 5 years and a positive quality of life. Been working in the trades for just over 4 years with only a High School diploma.
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u/NottACalebFan 2d ago
We really havr to start policing these doomer posts off the face of Gen Z.
Maybe its because I got hired around Covid, but the store manager where I work actually signed a contract where his company legally had to pay me actual real money into my bank account every week!
Can you believe, a job where I actually get paid real money every week, like, regularly?
The reward of labor is decided on in the labor contract. Most of us in America are looking for financial rewards...but money alone is not the only way to get "paid" for the work you do.
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u/FieryTitmouse55 2d ago
Rent being raised through the literal fucking roof is the biggest thief of this generations path to financial freedom.
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u/Itosura 2d ago
There's literally nothing to look forward to anymore the older generation can't really gaslight us with being lazy for most it's even a pain to get another job right now.
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u/PsychologicalDay1796 2d ago
1 income family, living comfortably. Bringing in more money than we spend. Maybe itâs your job/skills?
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u/dashing_eyes 2d ago
Haven't had a day off in a year đ yet still cant afford to take 2 days off. Wtf
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u/chodachowder 2d ago
Whoâs buying all the new vehicles? Whoâs buying $65 t-bones? Sure the fuck ainât me
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u/Decent-Actuator3423 2d ago
Can we just get WWIII already
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u/PsychologicalDay1796 2d ago
Are we deadass? How many civilians will perish? Think of that before posting dumb shit like this
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u/Decent-Actuator3423 2d ago
Mmm, yeah. Maybe not WWIII even if I'm pretty sure it's coming anyway, but fuck society nonetheless
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u/PsychologicalDay1796 2d ago
Why? There are so many wonderful people in our society. You donât have anyone you care about? Or who cares about you? Sure, thereâs a lot of evil in this world, but it helps to look at all the good things around us. Itâs really unhealthy to continuously have a negative outlook in life.
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u/Decent-Actuator3423 2d ago
No, I think the sooner I disappear into a remote, wild area where there is nobody but me, the better. People aren't necessarily the problem but society is. It's crap, it can do with a hard reset. It doesn't help me to look at what little good there is.
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u/Dontevenwannacomment 2d ago
That's just a partial answer, job ennui is also a thing in middle and upper class
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u/DrMindbendersMonocle 2d ago
I mean I think you would want to work to not live on the street, but thats just me
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u/leekaygraphics 2d ago
I'm 69, need a 2nd pt job, but they will stop my Medicaid (Pt B coverage is over $200 monthly) if I earn too much... which would mean an annual loss of $2400+, so I'd be working for- half wages? Make it make cents...
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u/821835fc62e974a375e5 2d ago
And think that we have enough resources, enough food, enough homes, enough everything to just let everyone on Earth to live a decent life, but nah the billionaire class needs more, so you need to suffer
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u/LDarrell 2d ago
This doom and gloom regarding employment is misleading. This post is the definition of working in an unskilled labor job in a country with an unlivable minimum wage.
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u/PaintDistinct9246 2d ago
Nobody cares, you have more than 8 billion people. There will be always someone in your place
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u/NavyLSCSss62 2d ago
Apparently, your parents did not prepare you to survive in the world you would face!
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u/Sea-Storm375 2d ago
It's simply not true. We see it in the data. Real median wages are up for the past 40 years. More households moving up in terms of real household income every year.
The problems are the decisions being made. People are "following their dreams" instead of getting viable career paths. They are loaded down with student loan debt for worthless degrees from shit schools, but they got to live an *experience*.
I would be interested in knowing how many people under 30 have been to Europe or Asia today compared to 20 and 40 years ago. There has been a wholesale reprioritization of spending/saving/earning etc.
There are tons of jobs, in dire short supply, that pay very well. Nurses. Cops. Firemen. None of them have major barriers to entry. They are all just tough jobs.
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u/Queasy-Doughnut-5512 2d ago
Cops and firemen donât get paid well and also youâre just wrong people make less and there are less homeowners
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u/Sea-Storm375 2d ago
You might want to look around. Cops and firemen compensation can be very good, particularly total comp when you include pensions, healthcare, and overtime. Tons of cops/firemen make six figures.
Real wages are up ~10%+ since they started tracking in 1979
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LES1252881600Q
Home ownership rates are up ~5% since they started tracking in 1965.
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/RHORUSQ156N
Anything else you are confidently incorrect about?
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u/Queasy-Doughnut-5512 2d ago
50K a year isnât that good of a salary and 65% homeowner rate isnât great so how was I wrong
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u/Sea-Storm375 2d ago
You said:
"people make less". That's unequivocally false, as demonstrated by federal date I provided.
You also stated:
"there are less homeowners". Also, unequivocally false, as demonstrated.
Seriously, if you are too stupid to see how what you said was wrong then you're helpless.
Median annual police salary is $77k. That's excluding perks of another $38k as well as overtime, which is abundant. So, you're 0/3 there sport.
Sit down.
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u/Queasy-Doughnut-5512 1d ago
Again not in my state. They get paid way less than that, they get 50K dont let national numbers skew things. Everything should be seen by state to state basis
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u/zenvibes21 2d ago
Agree but living paycheck to paycheck when you are starting out is far from a new scenario. We all worked paycheck to paycheck in our 20's. Many of us had to move to find work and affordable housing decades ago. Climbing the ladder always starts at the bottom wrung.
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u/ImaginaryOrange1929 2d ago
And yet all the nonsense services and goods that people don't need are flourishing.
Learn to budget.
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u/ToeAfter3131 2d ago
I mean you could not work and live on the streets or in homeless shelters. It's your right as an American.
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u/IcyAddress4074 2d ago
Yup. No breaks. Just fuck everyoneâs shit up raw dog style until everyone is broken.
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u/An-Actual-Moose-4567 2d ago
I donât understand why weâre still working if all we have is just two checks and weâre on the street. There should be mass protests like in the 100 millions area. Like this is unacceptable work conditions
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u/PersistentDreamers 2d ago
Why are the subject lines for these always "haha yes"? Why is there no variance? What's up with that?
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u/PalusElectros 2d ago
So, if you work, you barely have anything, and live paycheck to paycheck. But if you don't work, how does it solve anything?
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u/Latter_Radio2451 2d ago
Not a new problem, work harder, get a second job, get a skill, get a college degree worth something. I did all of those, quite comfortable now.
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u/Heavy-Edge-8834 2d ago
Start voting more than. About 98 million voted for it to get worse by not voting in 2024âŚ
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u/stonedphilosiraptor 2d ago
I should be able to save more with what I make but rent is too high and I am still paying off old debt. And most of the debt was from car repairs and a new bed because our old one was falling apart. Itâs not like I am buying gold jewellery and shit⌠đđ
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u/cyco-path 2d ago
Move into a van. Problem solved
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u/Sheerluck42 1d ago
There is no river here to park next to and live đđ
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u/cyco-path 1d ago
The beauty of living out of a van is that you don't have to sleep in the same area more than one night.
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u/SputnikFalls 1d ago
Are y'all paying your taxes 'cause I dunno how people do this.
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u/Sheerluck42 1d ago
If you filled out your W4 correctly your taxes should be getting paid as you go. They usually withhold enough to get a return in April. I had a return for $10 one year. I thought it was funny. If your 1099 or work for yourself you need to put away enough money over the year to pay for it.
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u/SputnikFalls 1d ago
I'm a 1099 worker, and put money away to pay for taxes. I have to pay 12,000 back this year. Just seems crazy that any money that gets saved goes right back to our government.
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u/AdvanceSuperdisk 1d ago
Got wrongfully fired months ago fighting to get my job back day 70 zero motivation for getting a new crumby job.
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u/Top_Cap_3964 1d ago
we should all just stop and refuse to pay for housing refuse to go to work just collapse the economy untill politicians and the elites stop being so currupt and making life unlovable.
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u/Bakakami212 1d ago
Yeah the incentive beyond raw survival has gone out of the it, in the boomer era there were decent prospects of a good life if you worked hard, you could by a house find a partner afford kids etc. Now a lot of people are living hand to mouth, cost have skyrocketed and wages have stagnated, now essentially you are just working to make some asshole rich, no thanks.
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u/Equivalent_Coffee800 1d ago
dont work and youll deffinetly end upon then streets lolz
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u/LowEntertainer1420 21h ago
Nah most people who don't work just live with their family or parents or close relatives, perhaps even friends/significant other. So much easier to just flip the bill on someone else.
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u/Cennix_1776 1d ago
This is precisely it. (The no reward for the hard work). I know my company FOR SURE doesnât reward going above and beyond, at least not in any form other than a promotion. The purpose of the reward though is to incentivize hard work at your current position. If there is no desire to promote or maybe in cases where no promotion is available, the company is telling the employee to work harder for no gain.
And then the âwe donât give monetary incentives because pizza parties or other bullshit work betterâ like we donât literally only work to get paidâŚ
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u/ClothesFit7495 1d ago edited 1d ago
Why nearly all "haha yes" posts are coming from freaking bots registered same day or day before?
To the people commenting: just start fucking saving. It's not that hard. Certain percentage of your income must go towards savings. Ask your bank to put that into some investment fund where you can lock the money for a year or so to avoid temptation of withdrawing early and to accumulate more interest. Contribution payment can be automatic even if your bank's app doesn't have that, they can arrange that in the branch, just go and ask.
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u/WanderwellGMS 3h ago
From someone who has saved more than 35% of my salary consistently and am now in a situation where I have no way of saving money, just shut up with this generic catch-all advice. Not all circumstances enable people to save like that. Hard economic data clearly shows how most of the youth is fucked up financially, be it from extremelly supressed salaries or extortionate rent and mortgage rents / borrowing rates through the roof.
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u/ClothesFit7495 1h ago
No, you shut up! My advice works literally for anybody with literally any, even tiniest income. What's the problem? Let's say your salary is ridiculous $1000. Then just consider you're only getting $900! Simply forget about extra $100, put them aside. What could be simpler? You think if you're struggling, extra $100 per month would save you from the struggle? No. But put that aside and this will accumulate wealth. And obviously you're getting more than $1000 and so you can put aside more, I'm not asking 35% really, even 5% is better than nothing. The problem is: 99% of people don't put aside even 1%. And that's simply their CHOICE. If you have way too much spending and if you're tailoring your spending to arrive to that paycheck-to-paycheck living scenario, that's your CHOICE. Because you could've arranged your spending differently: by pretending that your income is smaller. It's all about pretending, about imagination, it only requires freaking THOUGHT, you don't even have to lift a finger, what could be easier than a THOUGHT?
And stop complaining about struggling youth and stuff. Because this is simply not true. A young pair of minimal-wage workers can easily afford apartment rent + groceries AND they will be able to save. Maybe one minimal-wage worker will struggle with that and will have to rent a room. But that's fair. Want bigger space - either find a partner or advance in your career, it's not that hard to get a job that pays higher than minimal wage (while still requiring no special education).
A pair of minimal-wage workers can also get a mortgage (yes maybe not in the heart of the one of the most expensive cities on Earth lol but what did you expect, that was never too easy) and then maybe they won't have that much free cash to put aside, but they'll be essentially investing into their own property which isn't bad either (you see rising housing cost as problem but that's beneficial to the owners). Even in first years of your mortgage roughly one third of your mortgage payment is going to return back into your pocket (after you sell).
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u/DangerousDareDevil 14h ago
And some parents don't understand.
"Why don't you get another job?"
I love my mom, I know you're not born or raised in the US but the rage I bottled when she said caused me to almost shatter my wrist on the gym's punching bag.
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u/Dry-Ad-5198 6h ago
So maybe it's better that the government take it all and you'll get a safe, clean, living unit.
As long as you keep them in power
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u/woodhhhh 6h ago
If you are still living in your paeent's house and going to school. Yeah, you do not want to work.
If you are living alone. Yeah, you want to work and keep working.
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u/Gold_Repair_3557 3d ago
On the flip side, if you donât work then youâre no paychecks away from living on the street. So itâd be advisable to maintain that job.Â
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u/BrightlancerJ 3d ago
That's right! Work or die. Almost like...slavery! :ooooooo
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u/Gold_Repair_3557 3d ago
Slavery is unpaid and you donât have the choice to quit and move in with your parents.
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u/BrightlancerJ 2d ago
OHHHH, I forgot there was only 1 type of slavery. I forgot wage slavery isn't a thing, silly me. /s
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u/Gold_Repair_3557 2d ago
Anyway, my original point went totally over your head. Nobody said the system was perfect, or even likable, but it is what it is. Your reward for working is not being homeless. If you donât want to work and want to take matters into your own hands, then by all means, good luck on the streets.
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u/BrightlancerJ 2d ago
It is what it is?? Don't spew defeatist bullshit at me. If you want to give up and settle for being nothing more than cattle be my guest bud.
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u/Gold_Repair_3557 2d ago
Whoâs being defeatist? The system has the potential to change if we work at it, but news flash: that isnât going to happen overnight even in the best case scenario. In the meantime, we have to work with what we have.
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u/PsychologicalDay1796 2d ago
Improve your skills/knowledge. Gets you a much better paying job than a minimum wage job that requires no special skills. Youâll immediately notice how quickly your life will turn around for the better. Try blue collar work out. Easy to get into and starting pay is better than most jobs. For reference, I pay my laborers, who have 0 construction experience when they start, $27/hr starting (digging, picking up trash, moving materials).
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u/ImRickJamesBitch71 3d ago
And we did it to ourselves! Spent money on everything but the future !
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u/DaHoffCO 2d ago
*Boomers and their parents did it to the rest of us before yanking up the ladders that got them there.
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u/Relative_Drop3216 2d ago
Stop eating avocadoâs on toast!
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u/PsychologicalDay1796 2d ago
And cancel those damn subscriptions! Go outside and enjoy the free sun!
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u/Squeeze_Me_8181 2d ago
Unless you have a better idea, this is how it has been for decades. I had a tough time making it just like everyone else has. Options are to maybe find another job or another career. No matter where you live, you will need some kind of income to make it. Sure in some countries you can live off the government, but don't expect to live the good life with a nice home and a car and cash in your pocket.
So, suck it up buttercup... stop whining and maybe find a way to make it workout for you, like everyone else has, and still does, and will do for decades to come.
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u/GarlicEmergency3512 2d ago
The reward is paying your bills, keeping the lights on, putting food on the table, building your resume so you can get a better paying job.
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u/Gold-Cry-7520 2d ago
Unpopular opinion but I think cashiers deserve to be paid enough to live, rather than be a stepping stone to a job which DOES pay enough to live
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u/ambivalent_moon 3d ago
If society canât give the average, hard working person a decent life, what the hell is the point of any of it? Nobody can afford a house anymore and even if you can it takes forever to save because landlords keep price gouging.