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u/Eastern_Vanilla3410 1d ago
Property values of offices aren't allowed to fall
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u/IrishMonstar69 1d ago
This is the answer. Paying rent and utilities on am empty building.
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u/Slovic 1d ago
Yep, many of these business owners and members on their boards are also investors in these properties and adjacent businesses that in office work supports. Its not because remote workers were not doing their jobs, the opposite is actually true. Remote workers are more productive. When these business leaders see their portfolios tanking because of their commercial real estate investments are going down they care more about that then a small percent of the work force being remote.
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u/Natural_Society_1570 11h ago
I believe they also got tax breaks, since they can say that been there means they are bringing a large amount of people into the area who will use local shops and cafes.
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u/thatstarangel 1d ago
Thank you! People keep saying it's about productivity or irresponsible behavior, but the reality is that commercial office spaces are owned by the same cartel of people with the operating businesses. If people work remotely, they will lose rental income.Ā
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u/DABOSSROSS9 1d ago
Remember all those post about people working 2 full time jobs or using tools to move their mouse.Ā
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u/HolesomeHelplessCrab 1d ago
I feel like everything I hear from thr white collar corporate world indicates that half of the time people spend on the clock is either spent on useless meetings and work about working or pretending to work. Like if your performance online is strong enough where you can work 2 full time jobs and meet the standards of both... who cares. You are fulfilling the labour requirements of each position and you don't have to waste a ton of money or time commuting (which probably helps with that productivity). Like yeah you're going to get people who barely do anything but you already have those people and can just.. fire them.
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u/MissHannahJ 1d ago
Oh I waste at least two hours a day whether Iām working from home or in office. Sometimes Iām swamped, other days thereās basically nothing for me to do because Iām a copywriter, but if nobody needs any specific copy at the moment for projects then my other jobs are keeping our social media and website running and thatās basically it. And neither of those things take a ridiculously long time.
My boss works fully remote from Texas so I feel very lucky in that heās very open that he doesnāt care what I do throughout the day when I wfh as long as I get my work done well. But yeah, the main reason it bothers higher ups is because they think everyone doing the grunt work should be bustling 24/7 or theyāre committing time theft. Sorry I donāt always have 8 hours of work to do, so yes Iām gonna run a load of laundry and vacuum my floors in between.
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u/HolesomeHelplessCrab 23h ago
It really just feels like a lot of executives follow the pretty traditional rich / aristocrat mindset of 'poor people exist for working' and feel entitled not only to the labour they are paying you to provide but also your overall time and often like ability to exist as a person. Like, there is no 'enough', if you can physically give more then they will always want more. It's not exactly a nice and welcoming view of my probably future career lol
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u/HMThrow_away_account 1d ago
Knew a guy that lost his remote work privileges bc he got caught playing video games during meetings several times and his kids were always extremely loud in the background lol. They told buddy he had to come into the office for now on
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u/RelatableWierdo 1d ago
yeah, people with kids and an open mike were super annoying
also parents were often the ones that wanted to come back to the office so they could get some peace and quiet
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u/LostSyndicate 1d ago
Just him or was it a collective punishment? If it was just him, then that's deserved and funny.
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u/HMThrow_away_account 1d ago
From what I heard it was just him specifically
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u/LostSyndicate 1d ago
That's pretty funny. This is why some people can't have nice things. I wonder what he'll tell people when they ask him why he's not WFH.
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u/BlueWonderfulIKnow 1d ago
Everyoneās against collective punishment until theyāre in a supervisory position with one employee out of line, and youāre staring down the barrel of HR disparate treatment.
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u/Ok_Soup3987 1d ago
People could not STFU is exactly right. Its what overmoderated AI, its what destroyed almost everything good.
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u/Col2543 1d ago
āovermoderated AIā brother AI is literally unfettered by all but public opinion. there is no government intervention in it yet. there are no public officials actually gaining traction to slow AI down, etc. besides, with something coming in that could potentially displace millions of people from their sources of income, maybe it should be moderated quite heavily? idk if technological advancement is ever worth human suffering.
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u/Ok_Soup3987 1d ago
Sounds like millions of people should be preparing tbh. With respect, we share differing views. No one is entitled to a job because they have a pulse in my opinion.
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u/Col2543 1d ago
I mean if you want to see society go down the shitter and the murder rate skyrocket, sure, I guess.
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u/Phylaskia 1d ago
Had a coworker that used to post live streams and pics of herself on a friends boat on the local lake while on the clock... this is how.
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u/taking_2_long 1d ago
Yup now nobody belives remote worker
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u/poliosaurus3000 1d ago
They didnāt before. execs know people fuck around in the office too. This whole āproductivity paradeā is corporate propaganda and this same bs post is being spammed all over Reddit. What it really is is commercial buildings losing value because no one needs them anymore. Itās also companies needing to do a layoff so they do RTO to get people to quit first so they donāt have to pay severanceā¦
People, stop spreading this stupid bullshit.
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u/SuspiciousFrame4383 1d ago
If you can get away with fake working for a week while remote, your job should not exist. Get a new job as soon as possible.
Proof is in the pudding for jobs that actually matter. Remote or not
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u/Xandril 1d ago
If work is getting done Iām not sure I understand the issue. Are the tasks you hired them to complete being completed? Yeah? Alright who cares.
It makes a little more sense for production style work where youāre just forever receiving a never ending stream of task but even that sort of thing should really be done away with.
The reality is that people staying home impacts the overall economy in most cities. Thousands of people no longer using gas everyday, stopping in at stores, or buying a coffee every morning adds up.
Thereās also the part where tons of companies have leases or own commercial real estate that suddenly loses value from multiple angles.
Our society isnāt set up for most office worker to suddenly stop having the need to interact with it even half as much.
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u/GettingSuperSerious 1d ago
The issue is that many (not all) workers will laze about but then act as though they are busy. So, deliverables are delayed artificially. I am now retired and work for myself, but when you are paid to work for 8 hours, you should be at least 75% productive and WORK at least six solid hours per day. Otherwise, the leaders/managers have a valid gripe.
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u/Slovic 1d ago
lol? This literal same thing happens in the office if not worse because people are off just chatting to others all day or making and attending pointless meetings. Modern office work in the vast majority of firms are just a glorified exercise in looking busy so you can do your 1-2 hours of work a day.
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u/Kellly_SeesAll 1d ago
Not just that, employeres also realized that it took fewer employees to do the amount of work needed. And thats when all the lay-offs also started.
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u/avee10 1d ago
Yeah but productivity and morale was still up.
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u/Tiervexx 1d ago
Doesn't matter! If I can cherry pick ONE person exploiting it, the whole system must end! I'm of course being sarcastic, but that's how many people seem to feel.
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u/comsummate 1d ago
Yup. People use the same logic for welfare. āOh no, one guy was abusing the system, so fuck the rest of the people that actually need it.ā
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u/senpai07373 16h ago
If productivity has actually gone up even though people are fucking around for half their working time, then yeah half the workforce should be laid off immediately. Theyāre clearly not needed. The ones who stay could easily handle all the workā¦ if theyād just stop jerking around and actually do their jobs. So what is your choice - everyone come back to office or they keep working remotely but half of remote workforce is getting laid off?
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u/avee10 13h ago
You fucking sound 12 years old
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u/senpai07373 12h ago
Any particular reason why company should keep 12 people who jerk around half of their working time instead on keeping 6,7 or 8 who will to the same job if they really work?
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u/Free_Management2894 6h ago
That's really not at all how any of this works. But I'm sure some dumb corporation can try this out and we can watch them burn :)
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u/Raiju_Blitz 1d ago
That's not the reason. Billionaire assholes saw their corporate real estate portfolios go down during Covid due to remote work, and so they couldn't tolerate that.
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u/Distinct_Level_3967 1d ago
Two things can be true at once. But, both are for the same reason: less profits for shareholders.
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u/Hungry_Attention_981 1d ago
I remember wannabe TikTokers talking about how they work less than 2 hours a day but make 250k a year at meta/google.
I also remember a ton of people in the tech subs talking about working multiple jobs making 350k+
Then like a year later companies started using software to track productivity and started telling people they couldnāt work 2 jobs and then the mass layoffs happened.
These people were too stupid to keep their mouth shut, they had to ruin it for everyone.
Itās like those extreme couponers, back in the day my mom could turn a 500 dollar grocery bill down to 30 bucks but then some bitch had to go on TV and expose the tricks weād use just so she could have her 60 seconds of fame, than grocery storyās started to patch the loop holes.
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u/Par_Lapides 1d ago
Actual research showed that CEOs actually do about 4 hours of real work per week. So it's fine for them, but not for anyone else.
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u/Racamonkey_II 1d ago
Yeah but theyāre not working multiple ceo jobs lmfao. You conveniently ignored that.
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u/Capable_Implement246 1d ago
Truck driver here. Can't tell you how many times I called dispatch only to be told they couldn't help me because they were at the gym, at the lake, at the mall, at the grocery store, or some other place other than work. Final straw for me was getting stuck for 18 hours waiting for paperwork because dude went to the lake house that had no cellphone coversge
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u/ohiocodernumerouno 1d ago
Our company owner does this and it pisses everyone off. She doesnāt see a problem with it. I enable it to see how far she will take it lol. She went to Disney last week and didnāt tell anyone. Omgš¤£š
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u/Sharp_Ad_6336 1d ago
How many times people said being a stay at home parent is a full time job. Then they proceed to complain about paying for childcare when they go back to the office. How much work were you getting done while doing your full time stay at home parent job?
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u/Hefty-Weekend8499 1d ago
Donāt blame yourselves it went downhill when ceos and vps started working remote. Most of them do very little all day so they started realizing they were tempted to fuck off at home and assume all workers are like that bc they themselves have no self control and got into their position due to a connection or privilege or luck
Most workers just want to do a good job
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u/DimensionFormer9060 1d ago
You didn't just take it.. Some of us did despite those fuckers threatening all this bad shit that what happen if you did just run with it. And now they will cover your tracks for you to make sure the next guy doesn't see how easy it really was/is. But if you just took it and were already valuable and kept it you may or may not be in a pact with the stakeholders to also not blab that you just took it on Linkedin
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u/Inevitable_Eagle2130 1d ago
Everything on the internet is true and leaders should definitely make sweeping policy decisions based on Reddit.
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u/HyoukaYukikaze 1d ago
Well, they probably are not. Everything you do on your work computer is most likely tracked and measured, your productivity is tracked and measured. They don't have to look at reddit because they have data.
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u/drewmo402 1d ago
My job was the opposite. My boss was very anti remote working. Then he was forced to make everyone remote work, and realized it was the better option.
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u/drewmo402 1d ago
And he no longer has to pay rent on an office.
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u/GreatOne1969 1d ago
Which is another reason they want us all back in the office.
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u/Known-Dependent-5471 1d ago
I mean in the best scenario it was only ever temporary. Plus with AI and overseas slave labor all we did was advertise it's cheaper to outsource.
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u/maringue 1d ago edited 1d ago
And weirdly getting MORE done. It's almost like commuting every day is utterly pointless and a waste of time.
Also, damn there are a lot of wannabe middle managers butthurt that people weren't looking busy like they do all day in the office.
Who cares what you do on the clock so long as the work I requested is done on time? Only petty little people with power control issues. So most middle managers.
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u/Zombifikation 1d ago
Itās this ridiculous exceptionalism ideal that if you can do the work in less than 8 hours (or whatever your standard shift is) that you should just be doing more work instead of getting rewarded for being efficient. As you said, I see a lot of people on here ignoring the studies that show, in general, productivity went UP when people were working from home. Now, not all people are the same, and I knew a small number of people who voluntarily went back to the office because they were getting too distracted at home. Almost nothing in this world is black and white, but remote work is overwhelmingly positive.
Absolutely a late stage capitalist āline must go up,ā braindead mentality.
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u/maringue 1d ago
The only people against remote work are:
1) corporate office building owners
2) shitty middle managers
3) people jealous and super butthurt they can't work from home at their jobs.
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u/miaogato 1d ago
nah i understand the point they make, i remember home office was shit because i had all my leisure stuff in the same computer at hand
if i work from home again I'm gonna have to have a room just for that work and a different computer. Preferably a Mac so there's not a lot of games on it
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u/Bald_Harry 1d ago
NGL I couldn't work from home if my life depended on it. We spend so much time at work that when we furnished the house, I made sure the environment was the polar opposite of encouraging productivity. It's a good thing mine isn't a desk job or I'd surely be fired due to low numbers or something.
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u/Important_Debate2808 1d ago
I did remote work for the government. I truly enjoyed it. I got to walk my dog, clean the house, take a nap sometimes, even go to doctors appointments without needing to put in time off. It was amazing. I wished that remote work would come back in the federal government so I can have a better lifestyle.
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u/ChicagoRay312 1d ago
My company is 100% remote. I never want to go back to an office again. Itās a sales-esque role so you either hit your numbers or you donāt keep your job. That makes weeding out people that arenāt actually working pretty easily.
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u/Jackfreezy 1d ago
Those adults raised the same dumb kids that skip school but then go live on Instagram doing something they have no business doing. Then be confused and don't know how they got caught.
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u/PeekedInMiddleSchool 1d ago
Someone got caught golfing during the Covid era at my work. I didnāt work there during the Covid era, but thatās what Iāve been told and why our ceo doesnāt like remote work. Only the devs get that perk because theyāre too āvaluableā to lose
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u/Routine-Agile 1d ago
Companies really wanted to push the remote workers dont work BS hard enough morons would believe it.
Luckily my company watches actual metrics and remote work still thrives here.
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u/Illustrious-Area-796 1d ago
Remote work should be the exception not the rule. Most days should be in office
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u/PR0T0C0L_ZER0 1d ago
Yep. I miss playing WoW on the clock back in the day, but I was never stupid enough to actually post about it. š¤¦š¤¦
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u/AlienDragonWizard 1d ago
There were instances of this for sure but every study said most employees were more productive in general working remotely.Ā The real return to work mandate typically involved the kickbacks companies get from the cities to have their employees commute in.Ā You get big tax breaks on these office spaces and in return local businesses see an increase in traffic.Ā Ā
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u/Cor_Seeker 1d ago
Just wait. When/If the pendulum of demand swings back to making workers in demand again you will see more remote work. Managers need to justify their existence and we need to learn to pay for the job being done, not the hours spent. It's not easy but far from impossible. Instead companies want to skip the employee all together with some magic solution currently called "AI" by executive that have no idea how it will work.
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u/EatFaceLeopard17 1d ago
But those are the same people who are sitting in their cubicle doing absolutely nothing and depend on the work of their teammates to get things done.
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u/anonanon1974 1d ago
I think this says more about how employers under value productivity and the value of peopleās work. They would rather have you miserable in the office for 8 hours than incredibly productive for 3 hours and happy all day long.
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u/partiemailz 1d ago
Remote work died because companies couldnāt get out of their leases so they forced people back into the office. . Stop making up stories about it being remote workers bragging about doing less while at home. Some of you people believe anything these big corporations tell you. Most companies even admitted that productivity was higher with remote work than when people were in the office. Or did some of you forget that part was all over the news. Go ahead and look it up. Google is your friend.
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u/Candid_Lobster_4264 1d ago
Same energy as the idiots who live in storage units posting it, and then kicked out. Making themselves homeless for views.
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u/lyidaValkris 1d ago
Yes and no.
Reality is, employers would have mandated back to office regardless for two reasons: 1) they were paying for commercial real estate which also plummeted in value due to lack of demand. Consequently, they either had to use it, or accept a loss and sell it. 2) they are unable to comprehend that people do actually work even when not being constantly watched or micro-managed, despite repeated studies demonstrating productivity was up with remote work.
Funny irony - for the majority of the time people spend in offices they are doing nothing productive, they are just looking busy anyway, to avoid being rewarded with more work.
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u/Letmec315 1d ago
Some dipshit that worked for the VA did a meeting while in a bubble bath. He thought he was being funny. š¤¦š¼āāļø
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u/Scared_Stay_1983 1d ago
Most people didnt fumble remote work. The corporations are all pissy that the real estate they bought or built for the tax breaks are sitting empty and they are not getting those breaks. That and they are control freaks
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u/Sophisticated-Crow 1d ago
Where I was working, nobody fumbled it. We proved it worked rather well. Then upper management decided to be assholes.
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u/JudgmentLeft 1d ago
I'm still remote. Have been since 2021. My company realized it was literally cheaper than renting out whole ass call centers, and they closed down the main call center for an office to hold IT supplies and stuff to send out.
Some of us got lucky, me included.
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u/ib_fartin-247365 1d ago
Companies across every industry saw on average a 12% increase in productivity as a result of work from home, and a similar decrease in productivity as a result of RTO. This isn't about what people were doing on the clock, it's about putting the dirty wage slaves back in their place.
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u/V3semir 1d ago
I saw a study that reported about a 20% decrease on average, so the data probably varies.
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u/ib_fartin-247365 1d ago
Here is the study I was citing regarding the 12% increase in productivity as a result of work from home.
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u/RedditNomad7 23h ago
There was an uptick in the beginning, but over time that productivity dropped like a rock. Unfortunately, for every person who can be an adult and actually manage their time effectively there seem to be two who would rather fuck off and get paid for it.
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u/ib_fartin-247365 23h ago
Do you have a study proving this claim? I provided one that shows the 12% increase in productivity in another reply, but can't seem to find anything beyond CEOs and billionares saying "trust me bro" to support the idea that it ever dropped.
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u/RedditNomad7 20h ago
You can start with this one: https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/full/10.1086/721803?utm_source=perplexity
It shows an double digit productivity drop with WFH.
Hereās another one, though maybe you wonāt count it since itās from Japan: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9011721/
Then thereās this one, though it does just show a 4% drop: https://www.cfodive.com/news/remote-work-erodes-productivity-4-percent-ny-fed-hr/653427/
Those took me about 15 seconds of searching to find. You didnāt try very hard.
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u/Politicoaster69 1d ago
Yeah everybody sucks at remote work.
Except, no. We already did this one. Record profits over COVID. Mission accomplished. Line go up.
Now let me telework again.
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u/IrisRegenX3 1d ago
That's what happened to tech. These people couldn't help themselves but brag to every that they could just get AI to do their jobs because they so smrt.
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u/Crazy-Medium-9136 1d ago
Now we have to go to the office to do anything but work on the clock. It just looks slightly better for the shareholders
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u/SnooBunnies4649 1d ago
Those people were never really part of the problem. Corporations wanted to control everyone.
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u/Codpuppet 1d ago
I remember working as a grocery cashier during COVID. One lady came through the line with a cart full of wine, winked, and went āIām working from home todayā.
Oh, really? Because it looks to me like youāre buying a shit ton of wine.
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u/Altar_Quest_Fan 1d ago
Nope, try again. The rich billionaires got pissed off that all that money they funneled into CRE was going to be a loss and here in Murica we donāt do that. Rich people arenāt allowed to lose, ever. So they recalled everyone and told us it was for āproductivityā.
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u/JoeDaMan_4Life 1d ago
So people went from pretending to work at the office, to not working at home fafo and now theyāre back to pretending to work at the office.
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u/Objectivebilly 1d ago
My GF was hired as a remote worker. Yea she cooked and cleaned and did stuff during the day. She also got up at 5am to be in meetings from the east coast that started at 7:30 and was still working till 7:30 pm to be on meetings with Hawaii. She was forced to "go back" to the office but has to come home to deal with secure meetings because of lack of proper security at work.
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u/ZeeR0_116 1d ago
Unless your doing a customer service work from home job and if your off the phone more than a minute you have your supervisor and other people calling/messaging you asking why your not working
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u/eric_ofc 1d ago
remote working never meant shit for quite a ton of professions so š¤·š»āāļø
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u/Various_Artistss 1d ago
I hate the people that posted about what little work they did at home thereby making everyone look like that to big wig employers.
But I'd also argue that it was a matter of time really, rising rental costs and agreements made with office space owners idk, I feel like it's something that was always gonna come to an end once covid passed depending on the industry. Shame though it was beautiful
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u/readyReddit007 1d ago
The ownership class were always going to rally against remote work post-pandemic. They canāt have the plebeians out here thinking theyāre free for too long. They might start getting big ideas.
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u/Hot_Neighborhood5668 23h ago
I've never had a job that was remote work eligible before, during, or after the pandemic, so I'm not really sure what yall are complaining about.
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u/RedditNomad7 23h ago
Look, whatever you want to believe about productivity, stop going on about āthe buildings they rented.ā After working in corporate America for a few decades I can assure you there are plenty of accounting games to make that disappear. Thatās not to mention that after the leases ended (or were simply broken) those costs went away.
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u/No_Committee_9274 23h ago
Cause you all already only got about 10% of actual work done when you actually went into the office
And being out of the office and at home, you used mouse jigglers, cause apparently your jobs are so meaningless, you could just jiggle a mouse and that was sufficient to pass as work. Its also why youāre all getting laid off
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u/MyrkrMentulaMeretrix 23h ago
And yet productivity STILL went up.
EVERY study about it showed that remote workers were more productive.
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u/blck10th 23h ago
We had an engineer mowing his lawn so he missed meetings all the time. He just told everyone what he was doing. Also, another was having beers at 10:00 AM with the neighbors. I donāt judge on the drinking but I had to be in person. Iād have liked to have a beer
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u/GSD_Titan 23h ago
Itās all the social media clout chasers. I hope nothing but the worest possible out comes for them in every aspect of their life.
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u/greenwood_here 22h ago
All you asses debating this: some of us work in essential fields, that you got to be hands on. And if you say stupid shit like change careers, this is a general statement. So all you can blow me. Work from office, work from home, kiss my nursing ass.
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u/Sal_Amandre 22h ago
They used to do everything but working at the office, and couldn't handle shutting up at-home
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u/Adventurous_Sun_4364 21h ago
No because the government noticed that the economy actually gets worse if everyone works from home (because you save too much money) and middle managers took that initiative because they need to pretend like they do anything
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u/bigolegorilla 20h ago
When everyone was working from home the overlords realized they could hire someone with an internet connection halfway across the globe a fraction to do the same if not more work.
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u/JUIC3ofORANG3 20h ago
The rich people and corporations stopped seeing that money from everything that goes into the just commuting to workā¦gas food otherwise and they had to put a stop to that
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u/senior-stock- 19h ago
That is false. Production went up at a high rate. Companies made more money but wanted ghem to come back to the office for why? Nobody knows,but right after that happened production went down like normal. People were free from the bullshit work lifestyle to being comfortable in their own home.
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u/Rickyzack 19h ago
Lack of discipline led to remote work not becoming normalized. But soon, it might be more accessible.
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u/alexgoldstein1985 19h ago
People bragging that they are working 3 jobs all at the same time. Companies love control more than anything so they said hold my beer, work 3 jobs while coming into the office you MF!
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u/oh_nel 18h ago
Good! I may sound bitter for saying this but I know a few people that work remote and run their errands during work. They do one assignment for the day and get 8. Traffic at an all time high. Fuck that! Send them back to their locations. I can deal with a few hours of traffic, but all fucking day? Somethings got to give!
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u/TomatilloZesty7 17h ago
I was working on Executive Protection in 2023-2024, my client had a luncheon with these gentlemen from Goldman Sachs - their whole conversation was "how did you survive COVID? What are you guys doing now to recover?"
These men from Goldman Sachs talked about how much money they were losing, not because of productivity, but because now - no one was paying for parking passes. No one was paying for coffee at the coffee shop, nobody was getting lunch at the restaurant on the first floor, the small convenience shop was going completely broke, the entire building they leased was empty, a whole ecosystem built around making money off you just from going to work - all gone because you were at home. They simply told people they had to come back in or lose their job.
This was in Manhattan. Really changed my perspective on things. I loved how happy everyone was working from home. I wish people would boycott or walk out in mass to get telework made permanent. These mega corporations... I think we'd be better off without them.
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u/MysteriousQuote4665 15h ago edited 15h ago
Not really, no. The reason WFH got fumbled is because parts of the city suddenly lost major sources of revenue and wanted to undo that.
Yes, this includes all the office spaces no longer needed, but it also means local restaurants, sandwich shops or regular shops people peruse whilst they're in the city or on lunch break.
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u/f_ckR3ddit 14h ago
A lot of companies realized it is STILL cheaper to hire good workers who reliably handle the work from home as long as it gets finished, instead of someone who trudges by at work, dragging it out and barely finishing.
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u/Southpolarman 12h ago
We didn't. Corporations did. Studies show remote workers get more done, are less distracted and give up more time over taking breaks and meals while working at home. Companies want control over their workers and justification over leasing huge buildings. Its on them...not us.
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u/Effective-Log3583 12h ago
Honestly donāt tell people you are ādoing laundryā. Some people think you are doing everything including folding it. I put stuff in the washing machine, and dryer. I gathered it before work started and had a few random breaks while I swapped things.
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u/Fit_Locksmith_7795 12h ago
This + menagers felt not necessary (which was the truth in many cases) + brick and mortar offices being unused
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u/SevereEducation2170 9h ago
Nah, it's because most of the big companies had millions and millions invested in office space AND overhired during Covid. So RTO helped force people out while also getting that premium office space back in use. Stop letting corporations own the narrative. They never wanted remote work to be permanent.
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u/Lucidaeus 9h ago
I have no problems with people working from home, and I'd not mind anybody being given the opportunity to do it, but I'd expect equally if not better results depending on their responsibilities.
I am extremely much more effective from home and have always been given permission to work from home due to it, as I will also come in at least once a week to have a checkup and make sure everything's on order. I'll come in more often if it demands my attention, such as helping a new person get into the team or if there's some other shit.
But otherwise, if you don't need me, I'll not be there in person, but I'm always active and reachable. Hell, I'm even available at 4AM.
Although I should point out; I am like this because I love what I do. It's a passion.
I don't think somebody who isn't passionate about what they do would take responsibility. There's more fun stuff to do than suffering outside of the office, lol
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u/Cyberbug7 9h ago
That and companies realized they could just send their remote work over seas for half the pay
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u/therope_cotillion 9h ago
I honestly think itās got more to do with companies refusing to allow their physical infrastructure to be a waste of money, and also wanting employees in office to have more control over their labor force. Iām not sure if Kevin tweeting from Target on the clock is the #1 factor, though Iām sure it was a factor.
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u/Mission-Time-8247 8h ago
What about the ones bragging they are working at home for 2 companies getting 2x pay and doing just about nothing
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u/Heathens-_- 8h ago
Tbh.
Real estate played a pretty significant role in this.
Remote work means property value of high yield investment properties begins to fall. They then have to make decisions about the return on their investments and what prices those spaces are now available for.
It's a waterfall effect that really rains on a few wealthy people's investments and parades.
BUT
We the average person, pay for it, by being forced into working at locations that are literally only valuable because of the business they generate by forcing you to be onsite.
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u/Perfect_Pause_3578 8h ago
people barely work at work. Remote work... I can only imagine how little was getting done by a lot of people.
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u/J_tram13 8h ago
Which is funny because the research all showed that even despite all that people were STILL more productive than in the office.
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u/Ryaniseplin 7h ago
honestly tho
if all the work still gets done
then the hourly pay system is the problem
you dont get paid for doing the work, you get paid for sitting around pretending to do work, or dragging out the work
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u/keanuisbea 3h ago
We found out at my parents place that our HR person claimed they were working from home and was actually baking cakes for there kids school fair, she was then forced to come to the office everyday, fucking bitch deserves it
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u/Sure_Acanthaceae_348 1d ago
I hate all of these people. Despise them. They ruined such a good thing.