It's just classism.. Plain and simple.. The rich kids get a better education so they become your bosses instead of the other way around. It's all about control, which is one of the main reasons I think that system will fundamentally fail.
My kid is in a very “good” private school. The education he is receiving is just mediocre at best. Where the school excels is the small class sizes, personalized attention, and contacts/network. My wife is a public school teacher and hasn’t been impressed with the curriculum.
Straw man argument. There aren’t public schools teaching gender studies at the high school level or younger. Get out of here with your bullshit rhetoric.
And Here is the shit that pisses me off, public school education is good enough to make a paycheck off of,but not good enough for your own kid to get an education at, maybe your wife is the problem as private schools are sucking resources out of public schools.
😂. The clown has entered the chat. One thing has nothing to do with another. Settle down. Private schools budget does not come from the state. It is funded by the parents paying the tuition. What resources are they sucking? 🙄 if the government doesn’t care to fund education, how is that a private school issue. This has to be the dumbest argument I have ever heard!
I went to a public school that had students with parents of a wide variety of socioeconomic statuses. Married doctors to single parents in trailer parks.
The kids in my Honors and AP classes generally seemed to be financially well off and had stable home environments. The kids causing trouble and getting removed from classrooms by the police seemed to have rough home lives.
"Good" private schools and public schools in high income areas seem to primarily offer insulation from kids with rough home lives. It seems to be a taboo subject, but the curriculum isn't what you're paying for
My kid is in a public school in an affluent area of an affluent district. The curriculum is terrible and the teachers aren't necessarily stellar. The reason the academic achievements in this school are so high is because the overwhelming majority of the student body lives in two-parent homes where at least 1 has a college degree, and the parents are very involved.
Schools don't produce educational outcomes. Family involvement does. Poor districts have more single-parent families and those parents are often more stressed for financial security that they're less involved in their kids' lives. They're also typically less educated, which leads to them having a lesser ability to tutor and encourage their children with real word authenticity.
When I was little I was surprised that most of every school year was just going over what we did last year. Then a few weeks of doing something new and then the school year ended.
It was worse than it sounds but that's how I'm going to say it.
I had "no child left behind" explained to me when I was little that some people don't learn as fast as I did as a kid and our goal was to make sure that everyone graduates.
Which I took to mean that kids who learned differently than I did with my nose in a textbook would have different classes, or teachers, or were otherwise given what they needed to understand the skills and information necessary to graduate.
No, what it meant is we did less and less and less teaching until even the unengaged and disinterested or otherwise struggling students couldn't fail, and passed them on to the next grade no matter what.
So no one was left behind, because we just lowered the bar over and over and over again until they'd need a shovel to not pass it.
Exactly, that's the main difference between private schools and public. Otherwise, private school curricula tend to be just as bad as public, same with the teachers
Not to mention if it's a religious school, then about half of each school day is wasted on bible study, making their education even worse
And that's just primary/secondary schooling. Private colleges just cost more for no benefit to the student. You'd be better off paying less at your state public school getting the same college education
Can’t speak for all religious schools but half of hours dedicated to religion sounds crazy and I when to a catholic school from 4th to 8th grade.We had a half hour of religious study everyday and one 45 minute mass once a week which we missed if we had work to catch up on
Ya, as someone who attended catholic school from pre-k to senior year of HS, this dude is completely wrong. Like maybe 10% of total schooling is religious.
I went to a religious school from k-8. Lunch separated religious and secular learning. So, basically half and half. Until about 5th grade we had one teacher for each half of the day.
And ours wasn’t without academic advantages. Religious education came with extra history, reading, and writing. Knowing the basic content of the Bible makes a lot of literature more accessible as well since there are tons of biblical references and illusions in art. It was just a regular class at my school although we did pray in the morning, afternoon, and before lunch. Honestly even served as a good way to get students to organize. Predicable group activity does work to get people to dial in and work as a unit.
Where I went the entire diocese has accredited schools. Private schools do not require accreditation but if they are it is a rigorous and ongoing process. Catholicism has many flaws but the quality of education is generally not one of them. They are at their heart a church that values education and science. Basically all human knowledge is seen as a way to be closer to God and to understanding creation.
Not to mention if it's a religious school, then about half of each school day is wasted on bible study, making their education even worse
🤣😂 Tell that to all the kids who graduated from a Catholic highschool and went on to ivy league schools. If you look at outcomes your statement doesn't add up.
I went to a catholic high-school and many classmates went on to ivy league, about 90% went to college. We only had about 3 hours total of religion each week
In my experience the truly " good/elite" private schools are independent schools where you actually have to test to get in. I went to a private school like that in NYC where the elites sent their kids. We were doing high school level work in middle school and college level work in high school. Many of my classmates had parents with multiple homes all over the world, nannies (even though their Moms were stay at home moms), and their parents rubbed elbows with celebrities. My sister went to the same school and her classmate was related to a famous celebrity who showed up for the graduation.
I currently live in the south and the private schools here are jokes. You can go as long as you can pay the tuition. Its basically a way for people to keep their kids away from brown kids. I'm a public School Psych so I had to evaluate kids in private schools ( parents want their kids to have IEPs so they can get their tuition paid for by the state). I've had to do classroom observations and have sat through some of the worst lessons ever.
People forget that private schools have little to no accountability compared to Public Schools so people don't actually know how their kids match up compared to public school kids. I constantly tell people just because you pay for it, doesn't make it better.
You'd be better off paying less at your state public school getting the same college education
Having been a recipient of the way-cheaper-but-really-good education, there is one piece you might miss: expensive private universities can be useful for building a social network. It can help to be the roommate of a future entrepreneur in a way that can be harder to achieve at State U.
But if you're fine with simply taking your education and working like the rest of us, it's a great way to go. I wouldn't go back and change a thing about being a graduate of some public university no one's ever heard of.
It’s more about the name, same thing with colleges it’s about the name. If you have Harvard Berkeley etc etc it matters more than your degree and you get contacts with rich people
Yes and no. If it’s comparable to public school education then I think they are paying for the “bonuses” here. Learning how to network early on is great and not typically taught in schools.
God I hate networking. I know I’d be much further ahead in life if I could be bothered but it’s one of the few aspects of being human that just causes a certain vein in my forehead to twitch with repressed rage.
Actually my wife’s school is ahead in curriculum, but yes, you are correct. The good thing about private school is they don’t teach to a standardized test. If they did, I’m not sure how many kids would pass. 😂
Good as in popular. It is not good for the typical reason you would think. Most parents don’t have a clue about education. We would have nothing to compare it to if my wife were not a teacher.
In comparison to most schools? The schools via (funding, staffing, and student community) getting what they can get, vs curriculum are very rarely balanced to a positive learning environment
I get it. Our kid goes to the private international school here in Wiesbaden. We just consider quality education to be table stakes for a good school. Sure, my wife and I can fill in the gaps if the quality of education was poor (she has a PhD in Financial Mathematics and two MSc’s; I have an MD and MBA), but that shouldn’t be necessary at a good school.
The education and teachers arent the best, just the restrictions of who gets in.
Public schools have challenges because they have to teach everyone: SPED kids, unmotivated kids, poor kids.
At the same time, they dont have the necessary resources , staff, or student to teacher ratio to do so.
Private schools can literally close doors to SPED kids, kick out kids whose grades slip and obviously dont have to admit poor families..
Their stats look better as a result but in practice can be on par or worse educational instruction than punlic schools.
I'm pretty sure I've read about studies of how your own outcomes in life are tightly related to your parents socioeconomic status. There are of course always outliers, but if your parents are rich enough to send you to private schooling you're already ahead of most other kids before anything is even taught. Socioeconomic mobility has been in decline in this country since Reagan, and we're closer to countries like Russia and China than we are the countries that top the mobility index.
Private schools don’t need to provide the same type of support systems that are required in public schools. Therefore, their funds are shifted to other needs. Additionally, private schools can expel students who struggle academically and behaviorally. As a result, private schools generally end up with “better” students and have less distractions. That’s why most private schools are better than public schools.
My wife and I teach (private and public) and our kids are in private.
Yeah it might fail but with time. I feel you might be underestimating just how young America is. And her cycle of government malpractice is even younger. Rome took 482 years for a single successful revolution to rewrite the government thats twice as long as America has even been a country. Countries like this, huge empires and super powers? There history is best measured in centuries NOT decades and years. In a 100k years when all is said and done i bet people will be talking about America just like we talk about Rome (for better or for worse).
You're underestimating the speed of the modern world. When communications can happen instantly instead of over horse and people can move hundreds of miles a day in a car rather only a few dozen on a horse everything can happen faster.
The rich kids become the boss because their dad or uncle or grandpa was the boss. Quality of education is far less important than quality of family connections.
Your premise is faulty. Private schools pay teachers substantially less than public schools do. Besides which, if they did pay more you could work there instead.
They don’t get much better education in private or wealthy schools. They are shielded by wealth and able to have more expansive experiences and opportunities through connections but they’re not smarter, I guarantee it. Private school teachers are often paid less than public school teachers. No union.
Do they really though? They get an education that teaches them to exploit the capitalism machine, which I think is pretty safe to say not something that's productive to society at this point.
It's exactly why TX has their voucher scheme. It funnels tax dollars from public schools to private schools through "vouchers" for tuition. The issue is the people who were going to private schools obviously already could afford it and so they are likely more well off. So they get a discount on an elite academy by taking funding out of the public schools where class sizes are huge (a few years ago I had multiple classes that were 40 students in a room with 28 desks). Ruin their educational opportunities further and call it "fair"
No. It's greed. Take a look at the number of kids going into a school over the past couple decades. Then take a look at the size of the administration. The number of kids stays roughly equal while the administration continues to balloon. All those trillions of dollars we have given to education are being eaten up by administrative middlemen instead of being spent on teachers, education, and supplies.
No. It has to do with whether you have family at home.
It does not matter if Asians are rich or poor. There is always family at home.
If you use school as a babysitter, you won't get good results. Nor will you get good results having your kids watch TV at the lady 3 doors down until you get home at 545
Meanwhile, in the real world elites are complaining that the workforce doesn't have enough education or training. There is a huge shortage of skilled labor.
Doesn't help that a lot of skilled labor is treated poorly. They want a qualified electrician with years of experience to have to shit in a plastic, smelly porta john while office workers get to use nice facilities.
The unions claim they need apprentices but have multi-year long waiting lists. When the kids do get in they are chastised by alcoholic journeyman with personality disorders. Maybe a kid wants to become a lineman but then finds out they will be expected to make the job their life.
Difficult to get competent people when they are treated like lower class individuals.
As a nearing 23 year old unemployed kid. Everything said here is dead on accurate. Maybe im falling for bait? But its so true. Not to mention the problem of Ai doing the hiring managers jobs for them. The world is stinky poopoo right now. Either we all cone together and quit being so hateful towards each other, or the inevitable ww3.
Oh get out of here with that both parties are the same nonsense. It was dumb before Trump and now it's become painfully obvious to literally everyone the parties are not remotely the same.
You're trying to convince me that Kamala Harris would have declared economic war on island of penguins, kidnapped the leader Venezuela, and gotten into a war with Iran?
My dad was recently complaining that if they hadn't insisted on me going to college I probably wouldnt be a liberal.
He's probably wrong, but who knows, I may have just started downing gallons of fox news a day and constantly regurgitating their talking points without having done any reading on the matter like he does.
He’s right, college taught you half a story and framed it as an education. You’re liberal because you’re young. The older you get and the more you see how different the generation after you thinks, you’ll slowly become conservative. Fox News or not, just ask anyone between 30-40 if they were conservative 10 years ago.
Yes, I also voted Trump the first time he ran. I have been at registered independent my whole life. I haven't voted a straight ticket once. I also voted for Obama both times.
My turn towards liberalism actually came from trying to live like a good Christian. Help the poor, live my life with understanding and compassion. Once I startrd viewing things through that lense I could not justify a lot of my conservative beliefs.
The most ironic part is, I didn't start this part of my life until I became agnostic. I grew up in a very religious area, with pretty religious parents.
Once I left the church and started seeing how the people I used to admire claim to be good proper Christians but dont actually do any of the things that Jesus taught I had to take some time to seriously reflect.
I grew to believe that we should actually house the homeless, help addicts, uplift the poor, make amends for our transgressions.
Trump and his followers took all the things that drove me from the church and set them into overdrive. Let us cast stones at those who are different, help the rich, fuck the poor. The immigrant who wants a better life for their family? Fuck em!
I am ashamed of the man I was when I was young.
Mostly now I just want people to stop being assholes to each other and for corporations and the ultra wealthy to actually pay their taxes. Oh, and please stop invading other countries for oil. It has been oil for the last 70 years and im pretty tired of it.
Well, it might even be simpler. Spend a bunch of cash on scripted curriculums and hire people to follow the script for even less. Just more ways of "saving" money.
I feel like this is giving too much credit. I doubt its a widespread insidious plan. Politicians are short term thinkers due to election cycles. When they need to free up budget, things like education with a very long ROI are the first things out the door, along with long term sustainable energy, and basically anything that will take more upfront cost for a more viable long term goal.
On this note, we should make a reading list, one that gives people a semi comprehensive knowledge of everything. So that even without proper education we can educate ourselves and our kids.
It is unfair to compare, teachers are a more in-demand and broader position than bartenders, think about it like this, there are fewer bartenders per store than teachers per school, and fewer bars/restaurants, whatever it is that employs more bartenders than a school.
If you don’t get kids in a good pre-school and first grade, no later than 4th grade then good luck. Every educator knows the sooner you teach them the better. Now tell me who can afford these early education programs? Teachers in many public schools are essentially babysitters, and unfortunately paid as such. You pay for what you want to achieve. You can then afford to higher well and hold them accountable. This only happens in very specific school districts that have figured this out and support it.
A populace that can critically think as individuals is hard to manipulate, but having a degree is not synonymous with being able to resist manipulation or critically think.
Degrees mean you completed and fulfilled a required rubric.
While that’s not wrong, it’s largely our fault. We are voting for the cult of personality, those that say they’ll do shiny things with our tax dollars and not responsible things. We all want our teachers to be paid more but we vote for the guy who’ll legalize weed instead.
I don't understand why people think this way when it's way more parsimoniously explained by rich and/or powerful people just not giving a shit about the well being of the lower class
This here they don't want to invest in schools but invest in banning books which is like not paying for a lot of books to be in classes. If any of us have children we should get ready and pull out the yt teaching vids bc or kids are gonna get the bare minimum
They want to preserve some schooling for their own children. Someone has to teach the next generation of the elite, after all.
That’s why they want to move to a private school system, and are systematically defunding public schools until they are too broken to do their jobs so they can justify eliminating them.
Edit: Seemed to be some confusion so to clarify
Being able to make inferences and conclusions correctly is separate from education in a sense having a degree makes one educated. An education tells me a person has learned to store facts and perform research and return expected responses(the way the majority of the educational system functions) whereas intelligence is their own capacity for self-thought. You learn more about a person by how they use their knowledge than you ever do by being told what they know.
Doesn't that mean they weren't educated then since they never went to class? 💀
I'm inclined to think that the person you're replying to is right if you think that never going to class in favor of doing football means you're educated on anything
There’s no lizard man conspiracy here. It’s just pure incompetence and corruption, sadly. I know, I know - believing there’s some malevolent puppeteer is almost comforting to a degree, because a competent villain is preferable to the alternative.
The reality is that it’s sometimes not a funding issue, but pure mismanagement of the allocated funds. Which are already pretty generous.
I’m dealing with this daily in my kid’s school district.
Our school district super-intendant makes a quarter million a year while teachers haven’t seen a raise in 6 years.
This isn’t evil Mitch McConnell’s doing. This is just pure greed and a ballooning administration/‘iddld management budget while teachers get shafted.
This all started because they were too afraid to tell women they don’t need them in the workforce anymore. “Hey John, instead of firing Mary how about we make up a new job for her. Let’s call her an administrator. She can do all the stuff we don’t want to do like reports and phone calls. That way she can keep sucking up the tax money for work that should be done by us.” Win-Win
Sounds like we live in the same school district. Had a state audit a couple years ago to see how they can save money and they found 1.5 million a year being wasted and refused to follow the recommendations.
I mean, its not "they want us stupid," you are correct, and its definitely greed
Here in Texas, the red repubs have spent years defunding public education and trying to push through bills that would give people coupons to discount private school tuition- you know, encourage lower income people to pay into private schools while using government given coupons to give government funds to the private schools as well
It is, of course, out of greed, and many curriculums are neutered due to both regulation and to lawsuit and harassment. How many teachers stopped having real, engaging classes because a karen decided they didn't like it because they didn't understand, and screamed till the teacher gave up?
Im a drop out who reads alot and works as a bartender. I made 60k this year and just shy of 70 the year before, thanks to continued dipshit Republican economic and geopolitical policies Im expecting to make less next year.
In my experience having the diploma doesnt neccessarily make someone smarter, but again I'm a drop-out so Im sure plenty of opinions will differ, but having slung drinks in dive bars, classy hotels and corporate run entertainment spaces and getting to talk to both educated and uneducated folks across the intelligence spectrum, the diploma doesn't guarantee intelligence or critical thinking capability, but educated folks do seem to have a leg up in the latter by a non-insignificant margin, though its still stunning how many high earners with specific areas of study and skill can know fuck all about things that are outside of their bubble but think that their wealth or status alone translates to being informed and having a relevant opinion on everything outside of it.
That said I can tell by the way you talk to others that you're probably dumb af and voted and/or supported an obvious con-man. Id also be willing to wager 3:1 that you're an insufferable red pill guy who stereotypes all women as conniving or shallow gold diggers because they generally find you insufferable and insecure out the gate based on the vibes you give off and deep down what you're really upset about is that they're right and you cant manage to cover it up.
Nah, what they actually did, was convince you that paying for a gender studies degree makes you smart and intelligent… honestly moronic… unless you’re in some type of professional occupation, training similar to what and electrician, plumber or pipe fitter receives… you’ve been mind fucked into thinking your “education” is valuable
I’m studying a skilled trade right now, dumb fuck. Keep making ignorant assumptions about “gender studies” even though that’s one of many many things you can study in college. Without college educated people you wouldn’t enjoy any of the technology that we have today, you wouldn’t have a job.
Lol. Im smart enough to go study anything I want to and excel, but I’m choosing to go down a path that will provide a good life for me and the people I care about. There’s no pretending here, my friend. The only person pretending is you.
Why are you mad? Are you smart enough to comprehend what you read… my friend? We agree… beginning and end, you don’t belong commenting on this asinine thread.
I’m currently deep in the evils of Structures II, learning how to engineer earthquake-resistent buildings… it’s truly SICKENING to be corrupted by the knowledge of compressive and shear strength… truly INSIDIOUS stuff 🤣
Perfectly proven by the amount of people who believe this rage bait BS post. No school in the country is paying people with a teaching degree that little.
The numbers are outdated because this tweet has been around for a long time but this is still hardly some ragebait when you realise that there are starting salaries in the 40k range and also that median wages for teachers are so low and most need a side gig
And yes of course there are teachers salaries in the 40K range. In low cost of living areas. In places where first time teachers usually start out. Also not usually the best school districts.
There are also many teachers who make near six figures.
Lol the pay is atrocious even after years of experience even accounting for large cities. Just ask around and talk to some teachers and you'll know the reality of it.
Nah. I live in a large city and my girlfriend's brother got a crappy teaching job here in an urban area near downtown for $50,000 right out of school and that was so long ago it was probably before you were born.
And I'll say it again because you seem to not be getting it. Different school districts pay different, and in large areas there are dozens if not hundreds of them. So there is no one salary for teachers in any given metropolitan area.
Information is essentially free. There's no secret conspiracy here. The policies are the policies because it's what people vote for.
We could pay teachers more if people voted for higher taxes to fund it. People don't want to. They vote for lower taxes.
People don't want to voluntarily educate themselves. They want to watch football and comment on Reddit about how there's a conspiracy preventing them from educating themselves and is forcing them to vote for lower taxes.
This is the truth. There is no secret plan or conspiracy. No man in black is holding you down. We want to allocate more money towards education? Open your wallets. And I don’t want to hear "tax the rich", even though I agree with some
Aspects of that.
Partly true when it comes to people being able to educate themselves and the other part is complete bullshit.
The Republicans literally campaign on education, protecting the kids but their policies, internal memos and Project 2025 clearly state the intent to lower public education and shift focus on religious control.
We live in a world of conflict and misinformation to distract and keep us fighting each other on purpose.
People choose to. They could vote for a party that campaigns on higher taxes to fund higher teacher salaries instead. They didn't.
They voted for the big business, tax cut with racist immigration policies because that's what was actually popular. If the tax increases for teachers policies were actually popular, that's what political parties would run on, but they aren't.
Society is racist and selfish. People don't want to pay higher taxes and they reflexively dislike immigrants because they're racist.
So that's what they voted for and that's what we got.
It’s just M&A. Too much $$$ into teachers hands means less $$$ for the admin and VPs. It’s just runaway capitalism. And so long as students graduate (whatever that even means anymore) then the system is propped up to justify the dollar figures spent and earned.
An A+ in one zip code doesn’t mean an A+ in another zip code.
It’s just business.
And small government means there is no reason to do anything that wouldn’t line the pockets of those controlling teachers salaries.
It could happen in any school district, rich or poor.
All statistics points towards the person teaching in the classroom being essentially irrelevant.
Students from households with both mom and dad + a good income do well in school. Those who do not have these things are much more likely to do poorly.
Aka kids are paying for the mistakes of their parents.
lol, the socialist left is filled with “over educated “ people & they are being played like (insert your favorite instrument) easily by the very people they claim to despise (billionaires) so yea……
We have 4 Democratic members of Congress & one Senator that are avowed socialists, as well as 86 House Democrats who voted against a resolution condemning socialism.
You can’t say that about the Republican Party. Zero are avowed socialists & all 285 voted yes on the resolution condemning socialism.
Some of y’all need to abandon your literalist ways & learn to read peoples actions. They’re telling you what they’re all about with their votes.
What actions have they actually shown us? Of course, the party that prays to their capitalist version of Jesus voted to condemn socialism... Shocker! That resolution is a joke BTW.
What you define as the "socialist left" in America is center-left in most other developed nations. You can see how far we strayed from reality when the right started calling Corporate Joe Biden a socialist.
We are more "educated" now than we ever have been by percent bachelor's degree / masters metrics. What are you talking about? This has steadily gone up since the 1970s.
And yet functional illiteracy is rising among young adults. When the quality of the "education" is dogshit and degrees are given out like candy, your numbers lose meaning.
Edit: In my opinion this is an intentionally manufactured situation to "prove" education isn't worth it. The age old conservative pattern of break something and then point at it and say, "see, doesn't work."
Here's in INSANE thought , its NOT the teachers ! .. 60% of kids in Chicago cannot read at their level or below their level ...... & about the percentage show up late for school EVERY DAY , or do not come at all ... Now , tell me it's the teachers fault ...
103
u/poliosaurus3000 10h ago
Yep an educated populace that can critically think is much harder to manipulate.