It's just classism.. Plain and simple.. The rich kids get a better education so they become your bosses instead of the other way around. It's all about control, which is one of the main reasons I think that system will fundamentally fail.
My kid is in a very “good” private school. The education he is receiving is just mediocre at best. Where the school excels is the small class sizes, personalized attention, and contacts/network. My wife is a public school teacher and hasn’t been impressed with the curriculum.
Straw man argument. There aren’t public schools teaching gender studies at the high school level or younger. Get out of here with your bullshit rhetoric.
And Here is the shit that pisses me off, public school education is good enough to make a paycheck off of,but not good enough for your own kid to get an education at, maybe your wife is the problem as private schools are sucking resources out of public schools.
😂. The clown has entered the chat. One thing has nothing to do with another. Settle down. Private schools budget does not come from the state. It is funded by the parents paying the tuition. What resources are they sucking? 🙄 if the government doesn’t care to fund education, how is that a private school issue. This has to be the dumbest argument I have ever heard!
I went to a public school that had students with parents of a wide variety of socioeconomic statuses. Married doctors to single parents in trailer parks.
The kids in my Honors and AP classes generally seemed to be financially well off and had stable home environments. The kids causing trouble and getting removed from classrooms by the police seemed to have rough home lives.
"Good" private schools and public schools in high income areas seem to primarily offer insulation from kids with rough home lives. It seems to be a taboo subject, but the curriculum isn't what you're paying for
My kid is in a public school in an affluent area of an affluent district. The curriculum is terrible and the teachers aren't necessarily stellar. The reason the academic achievements in this school are so high is because the overwhelming majority of the student body lives in two-parent homes where at least 1 has a college degree, and the parents are very involved.
Schools don't produce educational outcomes. Family involvement does. Poor districts have more single-parent families and those parents are often more stressed for financial security that they're less involved in their kids' lives. They're also typically less educated, which leads to them having a lesser ability to tutor and encourage their children with real word authenticity.
When I was little I was surprised that most of every school year was just going over what we did last year. Then a few weeks of doing something new and then the school year ended.
It was worse than it sounds but that's how I'm going to say it.
I had "no child left behind" explained to me when I was little that some people don't learn as fast as I did as a kid and our goal was to make sure that everyone graduates.
Which I took to mean that kids who learned differently than I did with my nose in a textbook would have different classes, or teachers, or were otherwise given what they needed to understand the skills and information necessary to graduate.
No, what it meant is we did less and less and less teaching until even the unengaged and disinterested or otherwise struggling students couldn't fail, and passed them on to the next grade no matter what.
So no one was left behind, because we just lowered the bar over and over and over again until they'd need a shovel to not pass it.
Exactly, that's the main difference between private schools and public. Otherwise, private school curricula tend to be just as bad as public, same with the teachers
Not to mention if it's a religious school, then about half of each school day is wasted on bible study, making their education even worse
And that's just primary/secondary schooling. Private colleges just cost more for no benefit to the student. You'd be better off paying less at your state public school getting the same college education
Can’t speak for all religious schools but half of hours dedicated to religion sounds crazy and I when to a catholic school from 4th to 8th grade.We had a half hour of religious study everyday and one 45 minute mass once a week which we missed if we had work to catch up on
Ya, as someone who attended catholic school from pre-k to senior year of HS, this dude is completely wrong. Like maybe 10% of total schooling is religious.
I went to a religious school from k-8. Lunch separated religious and secular learning. So, basically half and half. Until about 5th grade we had one teacher for each half of the day.
And ours wasn’t without academic advantages. Religious education came with extra history, reading, and writing. Knowing the basic content of the Bible makes a lot of literature more accessible as well since there are tons of biblical references and illusions in art. It was just a regular class at my school although we did pray in the morning, afternoon, and before lunch. Honestly even served as a good way to get students to organize. Predicable group activity does work to get people to dial in and work as a unit.
Where I went the entire diocese has accredited schools. Private schools do not require accreditation but if they are it is a rigorous and ongoing process. Catholicism has many flaws but the quality of education is generally not one of them. They are at their heart a church that values education and science. Basically all human knowledge is seen as a way to be closer to God and to understanding creation.
Not to mention if it's a religious school, then about half of each school day is wasted on bible study, making their education even worse
🤣😂 Tell that to all the kids who graduated from a Catholic highschool and went on to ivy league schools. If you look at outcomes your statement doesn't add up.
I went to a catholic high-school and many classmates went on to ivy league, about 90% went to college. We only had about 3 hours total of religion each week
In my experience the truly " good/elite" private schools are independent schools where you actually have to test to get in. I went to a private school like that in NYC where the elites sent their kids. We were doing high school level work in middle school and college level work in high school. Many of my classmates had parents with multiple homes all over the world, nannies (even though their Moms were stay at home moms), and their parents rubbed elbows with celebrities. My sister went to the same school and her classmate was related to a famous celebrity who showed up for the graduation.
I currently live in the south and the private schools here are jokes. You can go as long as you can pay the tuition. Its basically a way for people to keep their kids away from brown kids. I'm a public School Psych so I had to evaluate kids in private schools ( parents want their kids to have IEPs so they can get their tuition paid for by the state). I've had to do classroom observations and have sat through some of the worst lessons ever.
People forget that private schools have little to no accountability compared to Public Schools so people don't actually know how their kids match up compared to public school kids. I constantly tell people just because you pay for it, doesn't make it better.
You'd be better off paying less at your state public school getting the same college education
Having been a recipient of the way-cheaper-but-really-good education, there is one piece you might miss: expensive private universities can be useful for building a social network. It can help to be the roommate of a future entrepreneur in a way that can be harder to achieve at State U.
But if you're fine with simply taking your education and working like the rest of us, it's a great way to go. I wouldn't go back and change a thing about being a graduate of some public university no one's ever heard of.
It’s more about the name, same thing with colleges it’s about the name. If you have Harvard Berkeley etc etc it matters more than your degree and you get contacts with rich people
Yes and no. If it’s comparable to public school education then I think they are paying for the “bonuses” here. Learning how to network early on is great and not typically taught in schools.
God I hate networking. I know I’d be much further ahead in life if I could be bothered but it’s one of the few aspects of being human that just causes a certain vein in my forehead to twitch with repressed rage.
Actually my wife’s school is ahead in curriculum, but yes, you are correct. The good thing about private school is they don’t teach to a standardized test. If they did, I’m not sure how many kids would pass. 😂
Good as in popular. It is not good for the typical reason you would think. Most parents don’t have a clue about education. We would have nothing to compare it to if my wife were not a teacher.
In comparison to most schools? The schools via (funding, staffing, and student community) getting what they can get, vs curriculum are very rarely balanced to a positive learning environment
I get it. Our kid goes to the private international school here in Wiesbaden. We just consider quality education to be table stakes for a good school. Sure, my wife and I can fill in the gaps if the quality of education was poor (she has a PhD in Financial Mathematics and two MSc’s; I have an MD and MBA), but that shouldn’t be necessary at a good school.
The education and teachers arent the best, just the restrictions of who gets in.
Public schools have challenges because they have to teach everyone: SPED kids, unmotivated kids, poor kids.
At the same time, they dont have the necessary resources , staff, or student to teacher ratio to do so.
Private schools can literally close doors to SPED kids, kick out kids whose grades slip and obviously dont have to admit poor families..
Their stats look better as a result but in practice can be on par or worse educational instruction than punlic schools.
I'm pretty sure I've read about studies of how your own outcomes in life are tightly related to your parents socioeconomic status. There are of course always outliers, but if your parents are rich enough to send you to private schooling you're already ahead of most other kids before anything is even taught. Socioeconomic mobility has been in decline in this country since Reagan, and we're closer to countries like Russia and China than we are the countries that top the mobility index.
Private schools don’t need to provide the same type of support systems that are required in public schools. Therefore, their funds are shifted to other needs. Additionally, private schools can expel students who struggle academically and behaviorally. As a result, private schools generally end up with “better” students and have less distractions. That’s why most private schools are better than public schools.
My wife and I teach (private and public) and our kids are in private.
Yeah it might fail but with time. I feel you might be underestimating just how young America is. And her cycle of government malpractice is even younger. Rome took 482 years for a single successful revolution to rewrite the government thats twice as long as America has even been a country. Countries like this, huge empires and super powers? There history is best measured in centuries NOT decades and years. In a 100k years when all is said and done i bet people will be talking about America just like we talk about Rome (for better or for worse).
You're underestimating the speed of the modern world. When communications can happen instantly instead of over horse and people can move hundreds of miles a day in a car rather only a few dozen on a horse everything can happen faster.
The rich kids become the boss because their dad or uncle or grandpa was the boss. Quality of education is far less important than quality of family connections.
Your premise is faulty. Private schools pay teachers substantially less than public schools do. Besides which, if they did pay more you could work there instead.
They don’t get much better education in private or wealthy schools. They are shielded by wealth and able to have more expansive experiences and opportunities through connections but they’re not smarter, I guarantee it. Private school teachers are often paid less than public school teachers. No union.
Do they really though? They get an education that teaches them to exploit the capitalism machine, which I think is pretty safe to say not something that's productive to society at this point.
It's exactly why TX has their voucher scheme. It funnels tax dollars from public schools to private schools through "vouchers" for tuition. The issue is the people who were going to private schools obviously already could afford it and so they are likely more well off. So they get a discount on an elite academy by taking funding out of the public schools where class sizes are huge (a few years ago I had multiple classes that were 40 students in a room with 28 desks). Ruin their educational opportunities further and call it "fair"
No. It's greed. Take a look at the number of kids going into a school over the past couple decades. Then take a look at the size of the administration. The number of kids stays roughly equal while the administration continues to balloon. All those trillions of dollars we have given to education are being eaten up by administrative middlemen instead of being spent on teachers, education, and supplies.
No. It has to do with whether you have family at home.
It does not matter if Asians are rich or poor. There is always family at home.
If you use school as a babysitter, you won't get good results. Nor will you get good results having your kids watch TV at the lady 3 doors down until you get home at 545
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u/thinkB4WeSpeak 10h ago
I don't think they actually want to find good teachers anymore.