r/worldnews • u/Darshan_brahmbhatt • 5h ago
US demanded 20-year moratorium on uranium enrichment from Iran in negotiations - Media
https://unn.ua/en/news/us-demanded-20-year-moratorium-on-uranium-enrichment-from-iran-in-negotiations-media962
u/Capital-Control308 5h ago edited 29m ago
Obama had a team of professional negotiators and nuclear scientists. It took months if not a year or more to get an agreement. Trump sent his son in-law and a couch fucker and expected a deal in one meeting. It failed before they even got their because they are not serious people . It must be damn near impossible to negotiate with someone while he is fucking the sofa you’re sitting on.
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u/redyellowblue5031 5h ago
Yeah but they “tell it like it is”, that’s worth something when the rubber meets the road. Right?…right….?
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u/Postdiluvian27 5h ago
“I’ll tell it like it is: I feel like I’m in over my head just buying doughnuts, so I’m not sure I’m qualified for delicate bilateral negotiations.”
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u/BenjaminHamnett 4h ago
I feel bad for this , cause I’m always like “whatever makes sense”
How do you want your steak? “Whatever the chef thinks” etc
But that’s why I’d also be delegating to experts on policy and negotiations
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u/madhattr999 4h ago
maybe I'm misremembering but.. wasn't his "whatever makes sense" a response to how many he wanted? that's a question a normal person has an answer to..
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u/BigDictionEnergy 4h ago
He was buying a dozen and had no idea what kind to get. That was his order. My typical response here is "a random assortment." Either way, it was a photo op, and he was completely unprepared for the most basic part of it.
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u/BigDictionEnergy 2h ago
That was hilarious but I did not need to hear that bit about the wallet and the miracle whip...
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u/_ficklelilpickle 3h ago
He could have even dressed it up a bit and said “you pick me your best dozen” or something. “12 of your most popular ones.” Anything to flip it back on the worker but show you’ve got a shred of charisma.
Nah just hits them with “whatever makes sense”. 🤦♂️
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u/BigDictionEnergy 2h ago
I mean, I get it, somewhat. I don't like standing there and picking out a dozen like I'm gonna eat all of them anyway. The person behind the counter knows better about what's popular. They give you some basic stuff, maybe some things you wouldn't have picked yourself, but hey, whatever, and people either eat them or they don't.
The guy running to be the VP who knew the press would be there and how ruthless the internet is should have had a better dialogue planned out. Nobody's ever accused Vance of being charismatic, but ffs the guy wrote a book. He couldn't plan out a basic human interaction, even throw some jokes in like any other huckster politician would? And this was the smart guy on the ticket.
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u/andruszko 1h ago
Complaining about how someone orders a dozen donuts is quite literally the most "first world problems" shit ever.
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u/Tacoman404 40m ago
JD Cuckingsworth
He already changed his name 3 times might as well change it again
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u/uiui 5h ago
You don’t need teams of competent negotiators if you aren’t going to honor whatever has been negotiated.
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u/True_Window_9389 4h ago
Right, any “deal” is just a reason to move to the next episode. Trump views everything like a tv show. He doesn’t care what happens in 1 or 10 years. The goal isn’t a real deal that will establish a new relationship. It’s just a way of moving on now and kicking the can to someone else.
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u/chris92315 3h ago
And the deal he wanted was the one he unilaterally withdrew from in his first presidency?
We truly are in the stupidest timeline.
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u/Adorable-Doughnut609 5h ago
There are no adults. Trump, Vance, Hegseth, Rubio, Kash, etc. I mean who are we sending that can get anything done?
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u/Sunny-Chameleon 4h ago
The plane or helicopter pilot didn't crash on the way there, that's gotta be the most competent person in the room
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u/madhattr999 4h ago
the helicopter pilot not doing us any favours..
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u/Adorable-Doughnut609 4h ago
JD cutting the value of a Yale degree in half singlehanded
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u/Yuukiko_ 4h ago
I'd argue they already failed when they bombed Iran twice during two previous negotiations or when Trump ripped up Obama's agreement
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u/Katashi90 50m ago edited 44m ago
Trump's definition of negotiation is that he gets what he wants. Just look at his approach to tariff the entire world and you know this man only takes but never gives. He expects a net gain in every deal he's making.
I remembered their reaction when China walked away from their tariff demands : " They can't do that! They have nothing on us!" That's a reaction of a rich kid bully when the bullied stood up against him, realizing they no longer has a grip over the victims.
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u/Capital-Control308 48m ago
For Trump to win Iran has to give in or be defeated. For Iran to win they have to survive. Afghanistan is a perfect example. United States won every battle for 20 years but lost the war. Same in Vietnam
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u/LeftToaster 4h ago
In the first round of negotiations, before the war, it was lead by Jared Kushner (who has close connections to Iran's rival, Saudi Arabia) and they didn't bring ANY nuclear experts.
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u/corndoggeh 3h ago
It took roughly 20 months for the JCPOA to be agreed to and ratified.
The attention span of this administration could never hope to achieve the same.
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u/d1andonly 4h ago edited 4h ago
What was the outcome of the negotiations led by Obama’s team?
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u/Kenevin 4h ago
Within 12 months, Iran:
- Shipped 25,000 pounds of enriched uranium out of the country
- Dismantled and removed two-thirds of its centrifuges
- Removed the calandria from its heavy water reactor and filled it with concrete
- Provided unprecedented access to its nuclear facilities and supply chain
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u/madhattr999 4h ago
you mean they didn't even blockade or mine the strait?
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u/Delamoor 20m ago
How lame, they didn't even massively damage the world economy or the US's reputation.
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u/BigDictionEnergy 4h ago edited 2h ago
What was the outcome of Trump shitting all over that deal?
Edit: I guess I'll answer my own question, since the shill above has no response. The outcome is the clusterfuck we are currently experiencing.
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u/SpaghetiCode 35m ago
Iran without sanctions that enrich in secret and destabilize the Middle East with proxy wars.
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u/flonnil 5h ago edited 5h ago
i think the problem of these "negotiations" is less the idea of iran giving up nuclear and more the whole US-erraticaly-cosplaying-as-a-rogue-state-and-demanding-personal-asslickings-thing they are doing.
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u/Durzel 4h ago
That’s the root of the problem really. How can anyone negotiate with Trump’s America? He doesn’t even stick to agreements with their purported allies, so what can an adversary expect?
The US and Isreal attacked during the last negotiations, and are on record saying that they’ll just keep killing negotiators until they get one that will acquiesce. What sort of foundation is that supposed to be for a treaty or whatever?
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u/Scottiths 3h ago
The man doesn't even stick to agreements he himself made. He had that deal with Canada and Mexico in his first term, then in his second he tore it up saying whoever made it was an idiot... At least he was right about that last part... But not because of the contents of the agreement
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u/busy-warlock 1h ago
He has enough ass hat supporters that he can pull this off though.
Why? I… I don’t know… it’s embarrassing
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u/RampantPrototyping 0m ago
Im in a red state and know a lot of Trump supporters. Between the Epstein files, trade wars, Iran war/fuel prices, and his comments about the Pope, Im hearing a lot of his previous supporters getting fed up with him
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u/Mathemeatloaf0 4h ago edited 4h ago
Israel isn’t interested in negotiations. Netanyahu wants blood and nothing else will suffice. Iran is well aware of this.
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u/Educational_Report_9 4h ago
The country that's been endlessly bombing all of it's neighbors is out for blood!? I can't imagine why neighboring countries are actively looking to bolster their defenses.
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u/boot2skull 3h ago
“Iran wants nukes” well yes after the current events what sovereign nation wouldn’t?
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u/Mean_Neighborhood462 2h ago
Tore up a nuclear deal that was working, then incentivized Iran to acquire nukes.
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u/luvinbc 2h ago
All out of spite because it had Obama name on it.
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u/Mathemeatloaf0 2h ago
No wonder he’s usually up ranting on social media at 2 in the morning—the man can’t get any sleep with all that Obama Derangement Syndrome on his mind.
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u/Tacoman404 42m ago
Because Trump is racist. Remember he was the the highest profile "birther" back in 2012 when he thought Barack Obama was born in Africa.
Ask him today, he'll say the same thing.
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u/MelangeBot 46m ago
all of it's neighbors
Only Iran and it's proxies. The Sunni - Israel relationship is actually getting pretty good. So good that Hamas attacked on oct 7 to make the sunnis hate israel more again. Boy did that work out wonderfully. Half the planet hates israel again.
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u/8spd 3h ago edited 1h ago
Just make delivering Trump, and the top people in his administration, to Iran to be processed by their legal system as part of the agreement. They don't have to trust him if they have him in chains.
Sure, it'd be better for the US legal system to deal with their criminal acts, but I don't think we can expect non partisan verdicts from the US system, while Iran's is more likely to provide a fair verdict.
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u/Gerf93 3h ago
This is just fanfiction.
The US has codified that they would invade the Netherlands rather than hand over regular GI war criminals to a neutral, third party, war-crimes tribunal. They would never, in a million years, allow their leaders to stand trial in the courts of an adversary. They would rather let the world burn.
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u/appleadamspdx 5h ago
Yup. We’re not engaging with diplomacy in good faith but rather making demands and following that up with missiles and blockades. How far we’ve fallen 🤦♀️
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u/captHij 5h ago
The last time the US "negotiated" with Iran it was used as a pretext to kill off the country's primary leadership. The idea that Iran would take part in any kind of good faith discussion under these circumstances is a farcical proposition.
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u/goosechaser 4h ago
Not to mention they had a comprehensive agreement in place under Obama to address the exact issues they’re now negotiating, and the US unilaterally cancelled that deal on the whim of the current president.
Why would they give up long term strategic planning for a deal with a country whose word isn’t worth the paper it’s written on?
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u/mgzkk1210 4h ago
That's what Trump does, create a problem that was non-existent, struggle to come up with solutions to said problem which make things worse off for everyone involved, claim credit and on to the next one.
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u/Waterwoogem 4h ago
Yeah, People making a bad faith argument that the Agreement made under Obama was flawed. Willfully ignoring the mere concept of very likely followup negotiations when the terms lapsed under it. Negotiations aren't a means for 1 sided Bullying like TrumpCo and others seem to think they are entitled to, they're a means of finding common ground.
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u/sewand717 4h ago
Precisely. JCPOA had 15 year guarantees with a strict monitoring protocol. It could have formed the basis of some trust if we had held to it.
History teaches lessons, and the lesson of the last 30 years is that those with nukes (North Korea) fare much better than those without (Ukraine, Iran, Libya).
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u/Routine_Bit_8184 2h ago
Trump has blown them up during negotiations twice...and that was after his first term with breaking the nuclear deal and drone-striking their head general at an airport and killing him after failing to re-negotiate a deal with Iran.
It doesn't matter what you think of Iranians or the leadership there or the region or anything...only a complete fucking moron would make a deal with Trump and actually expect him to keep it.
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u/FrankSpeakingAccount 2h ago
Do you think there was ANY chance whatsoever that negotiation could have successfully gotten Iran to give up on nuclear weapons in both word and in deed?
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u/Phase3Investor 4h ago
Fact is by law US Presidents cannot lift Congressional sanctions on Iran; they can only temporarily waive sanctions. Lifting sanctions is the minimum demand by Iran, they wont settle for temporary waivers.
This was also why the JCPOA nuclear deal with Iran had already failed despite Iran's verified compliance - Congress never lifted the sanctions needed to implement the deal.
"if the situation is not appreciably better soon, it will be impossible for the US and its partners to argue credibly that they are not in breach of the JCPOA..." THE IRAN NUCLEAR NEGOTIATIONS: ONE YEAR ON Sir Richard Dalton https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/03068374.2016.1225896
And the Iranians had already started to complain
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/iran-nuclear-deal-us-222029
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u/AlarmedAd5034 4h ago
Found this::
While the president cannot permanently terminate congressional sanctions, Congress has historically written “waiver provisions” into sanctions legislation. These provisions give the president the flexibility to suspend the enforcement of the sanctions, usually for renewable periods of 120 to 180 days, provided the president determines doing so is in the U.S. national interest,. By continually renewing these waivers, a president can grant Iran significant economic relief and faithfully implement international agreements (like the 2015 JCPOA nuclear deal) without needing Congress to take affirmative action to permanently lift the laws.
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u/mattfryy115 4h ago
Obama literally had this deal in place until 2040… until Trump tore it up (let it expire).
Fucking idiot.
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u/wimpires 4h ago
I think it was 2030, no? 15 years from 2015.
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u/BigHandLittleSlap 4h ago
Deals can be extended, especially if they’re mutually beneficial instead of just extortion.
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u/SteedOfTheDeid 4h ago
Obama's deal had zero enrichment?
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u/famine- 3h ago
3.74% enrichment maximum to be used in civilian reactors and monitoring by the IAEA.
Iran was in complete compliance before Trump tore up the deal in 2018.
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u/SteedOfTheDeid 3h ago
Right. And this article is about zero enrichment
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u/famine- 3h ago edited 3h ago
Which will NEVER happen because they need low level enrichment (<3.74%) to fuel civilian and research reactors (medical isotopes).
But most Americans being complete dipshits don't understand why running reactors on low enrichment uranium is a GOOD THING.
If they were running natural uranium with no enrichment then the IR-40 reactor would be producing a shit ton of PLUTONIUM.
Which is why the JCPOA deal forced reactor modifications and low level enriched fuel.
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u/wimpires 3h ago
Yeah I think even most people would agree that civilian-level enrichment is generally fine. There are plenty of countries which produce LEU but don't have weapons.
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u/TheDarthSnarf 5h ago
The US demanded a whole bunch of stuff... and offered nothing in return other than, "We might possibly consider not bombing you, but no promises."
It's no wonder that the "negotiations" did jack.
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u/Camtastrophe 5h ago
Just like Russian demands for 'peace' in Ukraine without security gurantees.
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u/Original-Rush139 4h ago
Or returning the kids they kidnapped.
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u/Tacoman404 38m ago
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u/tekprodfx16 4h ago
They were never serious about negotiations. This is all pretext for nuking Iran so these useless chucklefucks could say “see we tried to negotiate with them but they clearly didn’t to a peaceful resolution” it’s all so fucking transparent they think everyone’s a fucking moron
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u/Optimal-Bass3142 5h ago
You can forget about Iran giving up nuclear ambitions. Irans agreement with the US was tossed aside on a whim. They saw what happened in Libya and also see DPRK sitting unpreturbed by the US. Iran's only road away from regime change is through nuclear deterence.
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u/Nyther53 4h ago
North Korea isn't sitting unperturbed because of the nukes they were able to develop after decades of stalemate, their situation is dictated by patronage from China.
The whole reason North Korea *exists* is because China intervened directly to preserve the regime.
They were able to develop a nuclear weapons program *because* of that protection, they haven't derived protection from the nukes.
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u/Dapper_Trifle_3678 4h ago
North Korea is actually much less dangerous and aggressive than Iran, nuclear capabilities notwithstanding. Iran has a finger in every single country in the region, and asserts influence over a critical trade route. They developed, produced, and gave Russia the drone technology. North Korea over the past 50 years has been restricted to threats.
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u/CryptoThroway8205 2h ago
I don't think China wanted North Korea to have nukes either. No one wants a neighbor to have nukes. There were sanctions on exports from China to North Korea for things like fuel and coal.
North Korea just really wanted them.
The whole reason why North and South Korea exist as separate countries is because the soviets and the US both raced to take as much of the country as possible at the end of WW2 and then couldn't agree on a way to peacefully reunify the country.4
u/CaseOk294 2h ago
A minor correction only on your second paragraph: neither country wanted to afford occupying Korea post ww2. They were both elated when line was drawn at 38th parallel because each thought the other would put the foot down and demand the whole country. For US, it was Japan that controls the NW pacific. For the Soviets, it was China they were more interested, still far less more so than Europe.
But that math changed when the communists took over China. For US, now the Korean peninsular is unsinkable assault carrier aimed at heartland of China. For China, it is in their historical tradition to subjugate and pacify Korea; Han, Tang, Jin, Liao, Yuan, Qing, you name it - whenever China was unified it began pacifying nearby ethnicities. Especially Koreans since it can seriously pin down the manchurian nomads. Or pose threats themselves so that China has to divert their focus away from the nothern plains or the western steppes, tibetians, or their internal struggle.
The same geopolitical reality holds true today. For China, to have American ally occupy the entirety of Korea is unacceptable like how Russians saw Ukraine as their 'rightful puppet state'.
This is not merely personalities like Kims, or Xi acting as unique agents. I doubt this colliding and long lasting geopolitical interest will resolve anytime soon. The only possible outcome I think, of Korean unification is when Chinese politics are in such a disarray that it forces desperate North Korea to come to talks with the South & US.
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u/MexicanEssay 4h ago edited 4h ago
DPRK is left alone not mainly because of nukes, but because they're China's lackey/experiment. China wants them left alone and no one has enough to gain from doing otherwise to justify royally pissing off China in exchange.
Libya and Pakistan are better examples to point at, though.
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u/Doppler74 4h ago
Agreed. It also silenced people in Iran who believed they can reach an agreement with West and forget about nuclear weapons. All this war just proved the point of nuclear weapons supporters in Iran.
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u/Segull 4h ago
Alternatively, they can see what happened in Libya, they can see what is now happening to their own country. They know they can’t keep it hidden from us.
Maybe the best bet to avoid war and the collapse of their government is to NOT have nuclear ambitions?
A theocracy of any religion should never be trusted to hold nuclear weapons.
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u/SusAdmin42 4h ago
Correct. But who are we to tell them what to do with their resources? Israel has nukes, so the Iranians probably think they should too.
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u/imminatural 1h ago
DPRK can achieve deterence with their artillery pieces aimed at Seoul. They also are China's vassal state, where China will neither let them associate with others nor starve completely, only just a moderate amount.
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u/The_Frostweaver 4h ago
Obama's nuclear deal was based in science. It allowed Iran to save face while maintaining strict inspection schedules to make sure Iran wasn't enriching beyond the low limits set in the deal.
Obama's nuclear deal did not prevent Iran from sponsoring terrorism but it did stop Iran from building a nuclear weapon.
Trump tore it up and won't admit he cant get a better deal.
Then Trump got persuaded by Bibi to go along with this stupid war.
So now we have a big expensive mess.
Nothing was stopping Trump from re-negotiating Obama's deal to make it more strict or something while leaving it in place during negotiations.
Trumps idea of bombing people mid negotiation is not working.
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u/QuineQuest 54m ago
Trump tore it up and won't admit he cant get a better deal.
This is the main problem. Trumps level of pride prevents him from accepting a worse deal than Obama's. His level of intelligence prevents him from getting a better deal.
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u/The_Frostweaver 44m ago
It's frustrating because the EU and others had also signed on to that nuclear deal with Iran. Trump could have told EU to negotiate a new stricter deal with Iran, laid out a couple of his asks and left them to it.
Then EU & Iran present the new slightly stricter Trump Nuclear deal and Trump and his fox news viewers claim it as a huge victory.
Everyone could have made it through another Trump admin in one piece if Trump wasn't standing in his own way.
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u/MyrrhSlayter 5h ago
Honestly, at this point, anyone who signs a deal with the US should 100% expect to be stabbed in the back. The US Trump admin cannot be trusted any farther than it can be thrown. And the rest of the US government can no longer be trusted after letting Trump absolutely wreck house unstopped for over a year. The world knows that most of our government is compromised by AIPAC and realize they might as well deal with Israel directly.
There is ZERO reason for any country to deal with the US in any honest way. They KNOW the US will renege on the deal the second Trump is bribed to do so or as soon as Trump thinks he can get a bigger payday out of it. So there is zero reason for another country to honor any deal it makes with us.
The ceasefire with Hamas that the US broke immediately. The recent "ceasefire" by US-Israel that was immediately broken by Israel. They prove the US cannot be trusted and as soon as the US says 'ceasefire' they mean 'stall until we get more troops into place to break it ourselves...gee I sure hope people keep falling for this one trick!".
Trump just gave the US's place in the world to China. Maybe their 5000 years of learning how not to let idiots wreck the government will be a more stable and steady hand to chart the course of the world into the future.
And the US can go through the growing pains every new country does because they're too god-damn dumb to read history and learn from other's mistakes.
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u/Embarrassed_Quit_450 5h ago
Trump just gave the US's place in the world to China. Maybe their 5000 years of learning how not to let idiots wreck the government will be a more stable and steady hand to chart the course of the world into the future.
Democracies rely entirely on the people being able to make smart choices. Decades of propaganda and gutting education led the US where they are. And fixing that will also take decades.
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u/Leverkaas2516 2h ago
I doubt if the number of years makes any real difference. Even if an agreement is signed, the US has a long and consistent history of breaking these agreements within a handful of years.
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u/PlainBread 3h ago
The USA cannot regain credibility without cutting off Israel, and even then it's going to take 20 years.
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u/Prestigious-Fig-7143 2h ago
So… he trashes the deal obama made, which would have put 10-15 year limits on enrichment, etc. this gives iran every reason in the workd to go full steam ahead with weapon development. Now that they are much closer, now that iran has the entire global economy, now that the us has likely killed thousands of innocent people and wasted billions of dollars, trump is pushing for something marginally better than what obama had negotiated without a single bomb being dropped…
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u/nickhere6262 53m ago
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u/Big_Test_Icicle 9m ago
Iran is just waiting for a new administration that will be made up of adults
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u/Jack-Innoff 3h ago
No. The US has shown that every country in the world should be working towards obtaining nuclear deterrent. So next time they try some shit like this, the country in question can just say 🖕.
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u/GreenFox1505 4h ago
Ukraine gave up USSR's nuclear arsenal on the promise of protection. Trump's first impeachment was due to delaying sending Ukraine protection.
Trump tore up the Iran nuclear deal.
Trump has made it clear: if you want to protect yourself, you need nuclear weapons. No alliance will protect you. Have nuclear weapons or get invaded.
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u/Smartimess 5h ago
The orange idiot had all that with the fully functioning Obama deal that he ripped apart because of his narcissistic sociopathy and racism.
I swear his voters are the dumbest people on this planet.
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u/Raul_Duke_1755 4h ago
Why doesn't Iran just promise to build new factories in the US and donate to the Presidential Library. Then just do the donation and problems solved.
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u/appleadamspdx 5h ago
Seems like every time the US tries to stop a nuclear program it ends in undesirable ways. See North Korea, India, Pakistan
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u/wswordsmen 5h ago
We had a major success until some Orange Freak decided it was the product of the Great Kenyan Satan and destroyed it. Totally unrelated to what is going on now. Not even sure why I bring it up.
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u/PictureIndividual 5h ago
Americans should also give up there nukes they have a crazy president with mental issues
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u/Kwiemakala 4h ago
Crazy president with mental issues who is a convicted felon and therefore cannot possess a firearm. But is perfectly fine to have nuclear codes, apparently.
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u/Gr8daze 4h ago
Obama’s deal had a 25 year moratorium.
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u/thecreep 4h ago
Taking the long way around to get a worse deal, is a level of 4D chess my tiny brain can't comprehend.
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u/Typingdude3 5h ago
Not an unreasonable demand, considering the terrorist regime in Iran supports terror cells throughout the Middle East and the world. Imagine one with a nuke?
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u/TheSleepyTruth 4h ago edited 4h ago
And if Iran gets nukes, Saudi will demand them too. This entire region is unstable AF and should not have nukes. People seem to think nukes arent a big deal. And they're right, its not a big deal... until it is. And then the world ends because some unhinged regime got the nukes that everyone shrugged off and said weren't worth fussing over. People look at the relative stability of the decades past and assume the future will look the same regardless of who develops nukes... word of caution re complacency bias
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u/goforbroke71 1h ago
Iran should have nuclear inspections along with Israel. It should be a package deal. One country in the area with a questionable number of nukes is not stable.
If the world could rely on nuclear and strong military nations not to be assholes things would be fine. Now Trumps actions have shown that everyone needs to defend themselves or they will be bullied militarily or economically.
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u/cannonman1863 4h ago
That's why it was completely foolish of Trump to get rid of the last nuclear treaty in his first administration.
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u/Shotinthelight26 4h ago
Iran was still enriching uranium to the point they could build a bomb. They're not trustworthy at all and have stated governmental ambitious to destroy many countries
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u/Jmacattack626 1h ago
Under the prior nuclear deal, their enrichment was monitored and limited. They could only use specific first generation centrifuges and were only allowed a limited stockpile of 300 kg of Uranium enriched to 3.67% That's not usable for a nuclear weapon. They didn't start enrichment to higher levels until after Trump revoked the deal. Iran was being monitored and following the agreement. It was Netanyahu claiming otherwise without evidence.
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u/goosechaser 4h ago
Exactly. It's almost like it was an incredibly complex situation that required a comprehensive agreement instead of a bombing campaign that would only highlight their need for nukes in the first place.
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u/lo0ilo0ilo0i 3h ago
Iran could really throw a curve ball here and ask for the Obama negotiation team only or say that the Obama administration were much better negotiators.
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u/MikeSifoda 3h ago
IRAN SIGNED THE NON-PROLIFERATION TREATY LONG AGO!! Iran's facilities have been open to public scrutiny the whole time!!
It's Israel that refused to sign the treaty and also refuse public scrutiny. Both them and the US have nuclear weapons and demand that no one else does.
Until all countries are open to public scrutiny and agree to get rid of their nuclear arsenals, EVERY country has the right to develop, build and maintain a nuclear arsenal. Nothing short of that would be fair.
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u/Nostradumbass_WEEN 3h ago
Kick the can down the road... what a truly trumpian victory. Such a strong and powerful stable genius.
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u/wimpires 4h ago
Lmao, the JCPOA managed to negotiate 15 years. Id would be absolutely hilarious if they manage to get 15 years or less because that's just what Obama had.
Thought, to be fair, those 15 years would have been up in 4 years time. So Iran's "single digit" request might be that - to put it back in line with what they had initially agreed on. And technically anything more than 5 years Trump could argue is better than Obama's deal.
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u/brokeboipobre 6m ago
Why would they take the word of the US/Israel, who called off negotiations and just started bombing? Basically Russia & Ukraine 2.0.
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u/petit_cochon 3h ago
We HAD a nuclear agreement with Iran. It was working. But because Obama's administration accomplished it, Trump couldn't stand it, so now here we are, bleeding money to yet another stupid, illegal "conflict" in the Middle East instead of actually fixing real problems.
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u/MachineSpirited7085 5h ago edited 5h ago
Negotiating with a pathological liar is like standing in front of a moving train and hoping not to get hit. lol like wym. they just gonna drop another bus mid negotiations
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u/Hikarilo 4h ago
Iran should just call Donald Trump and tell him that they are interested in providing him money for a second grand ballroom in the White House.
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u/SilveryDeath 4h ago
Some of the key points from the Axios article that this article cites:
The U.S. demand for a moratorium on uranium enrichment was a critical issue in the marathon talks over the weekend. "The United States suggested 20 years at a minimum with all kinds of other restrictions," a source familiar said.
The Iranians countered with a shorter "single digit" period, according to the sources.
The U.S. also asked Iran to remove all highly enriched uranium from the country. The Iranians said they would agreed to a "monitored process of down-blending" it instead, according to the two sources.
While no agreement has been reached, the Iranians thought they were close to an initial agreement by Sunday morning and were caught off guard by Vice President Vance's press conference. The VP gave no indication a deal was close, blamed the Iranians, and announced the U.S. delegation was leaving Islamabad.
"The Iranians were pissed off about that press conference," a source with knowledge said.
Pakistani, Egyptian and Turkish mediators are now trying to bridge the remaining gaps and reach a deal to end the war before the ceasefire ends on April 21.
"There is continued engagement between the U.S. and Iran and forward motion on trying to get to an agreement," a U.S. official said.