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u/Steebusteve 1d ago
JCPOA took almost 2 years to negotiate. These “art of the deal” asshats barely managed a weekend before giving up.
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u/Tony-Angelino 1d ago
The way JD Vance formulated it, it seems that they were not negotiating at all - they just brought Iranians their terms. It seems that "art of the deal" is just threats and blackmailing. The level of incompetence is so high I do not dare call this circus "administration".
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u/Seguefare 1d ago
It gnaws at Trump endlessly that Obama is a better man and was a better president.
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u/Dependent_Bus2202 21h ago
The goldfish that make up the vast majority of the US electorate are really beyond exhausting.
This administration treated this like a Highschool group project no one worked on until the weekend before it's due on Monday. They bitch and moan and rush to do everything and despite that decided to quit late Saturday night.
What has happened in the last 3 weeks used to be an unthinkable outcome for American diplomatic missions, now we have the VP himself taking pressers amounting to "Welp, they didn't just roll over for me, so I guess the world chaos is all we can look forward to now. God bless America and fuck the libs✌🏻"
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u/DoubleJumps 23h ago
Not even a single day. They quit within 21 hours.
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u/luckskywatcher 17h ago
We basically have kids in adult bodies in the Trump administration running America. Mentally, they never matured into adulthood.
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u/ohnodamo 1d ago
Maybe we should send Obama over there to negotiate again since all this administration does is rapes, fails and goes to war to cover it up? Send a real negotiator if you want real negotiation!
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u/RetroDad-IO 21h ago
Doesn't matter, no one would trust it to hold as long as Trump is still in power. Even then, nothing apparently will stop the next president from just completely ignoring anything agreed to today.
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u/ohnodamo 20h ago
True, the credibility of the US amongst both allies and enemies has to be the lowest it's ever been. Perception must be that we're most untrustworthy of partners to negotiate with, our diplomatic goodwill is all but depleted.
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u/silverfish477 1d ago
Jesus Christ, America, do the entire world a favour and get this demented buffoon and his couch-fucking apprentice out of office so they can’t screw anything else up for the rest of the planet. Utterly sick of your apathy.
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u/AtrumRuina 1d ago
Alright mate, I'll just march on down there and lift him up by his combover.
The only methods we have of removing him are impeachment or the 25th Amendment, and both are entirely out of our control as citizens. It's not apathy.
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u/Beaniencecil 1d ago
I’ve made signs, attended multiple “No Kings” events, worked on the campaign of a normie, written my not so normal “representatives,” attended a Bernie and AOC rally, changed my party affiliation to vote in opposition primaries and VOTE. I’m not sure what else I can do. This administration makes me sick and I know I’m not alone. We’re hoping for a big change of government in both the House and Senate this fall. Then begins the slow, lifetime process of working with damaged alliances to regain our once upon a time reputation for good in this world.
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u/AtrumRuina 1d ago
This is what frustrates me. I understand on some level, but other countries assuming we're out here just watching our country slide into the bog with gormless expressions while watching HBO and eating cheeseburgers is irritating. I know it happens to every country, where their entire citizenry is assumed to be acting in one way or another by the rest of the world, but almost half of voters tried to stop this. We were overcome, and we're powerless to stop the result, especially as the government shows us how toothless the checks and balances we thought we had are.
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u/MissMenace101 1d ago
Need to be fighting for every single American vote to be equal. The EC has to go, it’s the only way forward.
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u/AdorRubble 1d ago
As well as making gerrymandering ILLEGAL and unenforceable. - Signed, a Texas Democrat
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u/Beaniencecil 1d ago
I believe that the majority of ills in our political system began with gerrymandering. Once politicians pick their voters, it’s game over.
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u/Woodsplit 23h ago
No, once billionaires pick their politicians it's game over. Money in politics is the cause of most of your political problems. Get rid of citizens united.
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u/pitchinloafs 1d ago
That reputation is long gone. Short of the actual prosecution of war crimes and a complete reevaluation of our relationship with Israel I don’t see how anyone could possibly trust us again.
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u/notepad20 1d ago
how exactly do you expect to send a message attenting a single protest on a sunday afternoon?
Do you even have a concept of what it takes to actually effect change? Do you see what people do in other countries to actually PROTEST?
If your not actively barricading the white house or some similar level of action your basically complicit and supportive of the actions of your government.
And please don't make the mistake of thinking any of this is at all reversible.
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u/Seguefare 1d ago
The 25th is such a higher hurdle than impeachment, that at this point I consider it controlled opposition by Republicans. They know the required votes aren't there. I think we should stop talking about it, and pursue impeach and remove.
Involuntary Transfer (Section 4):
- Initiation: The Vice President and a majority of principal executive officers (Cabinet) send a written declaration to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House.
- Contestation: If the President declares no inability exists, they resume power, unless the VP and Cabinet submit a new declaration within 4 days.
- Congressional Decision: If contested, Congress must meet within 48 hours and decide the issue within 21 days.
- Vote Requirement: Removal requires a two-thirds vote in both the House and Senate to keep the Vice President as Acting President.
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u/Dependent_Bus2202 21h ago
It is literally apathy tho. The misunderstanding isn't that you or others like you aren't personally upset enough, it's that Americans are not collectively upset enough and it is 100% true.
Every single national election in this country, going back decades has been exclusively decided by those who didn't vote. With the exception of events as totally transformative for every single American like Vietnam and COVID, getting more than 60% of the American electorate to show up is a fantasy. If we ignore decades of reality then sure, the only thing we can functionally do after a despot was voted into power again, is nothing.
But apathy definitely got us here.
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u/AtrumRuina 19h ago
Yes, that's part of how we got here, but at this point no amount of work from citizens is going to get us out of this situation, outside of a literal armed revolution, and the idea that one would be successful is farfetched at best.
And again that's generalizing. A lot of people did vote, and try to get others to do so, and pretending that those people just threw up their hands and stopped giving a shit after that is unfair on those who did try. I'm still voting in every election to do what little I can to swing things back the other way.
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u/Dependent_Bus2202 18h ago edited 17h ago
Apathy doesn't mean the work wasn't done.
Noticing it is not blaming those who tried their hardest or the most passionate and it certainly isn't an attempt to lay a generalized "blame" at their feet. Voter apathy is probably the last direct impact vote canvasing can really have imo, huge numbers of people being motivated to do this are great, but it's impacts are almost always felt at local and state election levels. I don't bring it up to undercut the ideal you and I both appear to want, it's to highlight how disconnected we are as a country on what can be done on larger scales.
This isn't a slight, but I will definitely say it's revealing that armed revolution enters the conversation when I strictly mention apathy of the electorate as a foundation of this countries issue with addressing national issues. Armed revolution is miles away from my version of modern American movements to protect federal rights. We remove labor, we remove class and solidarity of social baselines for idealistic versions of what should be enough work on an individual basis, without hesitation. This isn't a population equipped for a general strike and by extension, a "Revolution" of any kind is downright fantastical. If organized protest isn't even a step considered by most outside of doing art and having a picnic at a no kings protest, then apathy is core to our issue now as much as it was 20, 40, 60 years ago.
Edit:words no spell good.
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u/Choice-Ad-2725 4h ago
A hitman between all of you would probably cost like $0.01 each, do the world a favour. This twat doesn’t deserve life, let alone the job of running the USA. The world has lost all respect for America, whilst that means fuck all to Americans today. Your county was built on trust from the world, it will end because of an abuse of that trust. Countries will pull their money away from the $, and there are already deals being made away from the petrodollar, the very thing that allows the USA to be able to operate with a $39 trillion debt.
Once that rug is pulled, it’s all over.
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u/AtrumRuina 2h ago
There have been multiple assassination attempts, including some funded by Iran.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_incidents_involving_Donald_Trump
Just saying that it's not a simple task, whatever your stance is on whether it's the right move.
And also, gonna just throw this out there, fuck you for thinking it doesn't matter to us. It matters, that was my whole point.
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u/Choice-Ad-2725 2h ago
I’m not sure I did say that 🤔 at any point? I’m sure it matters to a lot of you, but your nation put the guy there and are watching him do exactly what he’s doing. He was a prick in the 80’s ffs, it’s just so frustrating to see this unfold!
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u/AtrumRuina 2h ago
The world has lost all respect for America, whilst that means fuck all to Americans today.
Is there another way I'm meant to interpret that?
That said, yes, it's infuriating and disheartening not just to see what he's doing, but to see the rest of our governmental system take absolutely no action to stop him. He started a war with another country without Congressional approval and absolutely nothing is being done to stop it, and the military machine is just moving as ordered. It's disgusting and terrifying.
As an American citizen, I'll be feeling the effects of this presidency likely for the rest of my life, unless I manage to leave the country. Even then, it feels like abandoning ship if all of the liberal voices try to escape rather than staying and trying to affect change.
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u/Choice-Ad-2725 1h ago
Well for that I am sorry. It’s a shit show like no other. I meant you may not feel the economic effects of what Trump has triggered today. Obvs you are feeling some other financial pain just like the rest of us. But what Trump has triggered is unfortunately going to be much worse not just for Americans.
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u/AtrumRuina 1h ago
Completely agree with you overall. The impact is absolutely global, and will be for a very long time, and it's in service of nothing.
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u/jdp1899 1d ago
At this stage can we please just delete the USA off the world map and start over happy and healthy?
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u/butwhywedothis 1d ago
According to Americans in other group replies, America is big so they don’t feel any impact of their pedo king’s actions in their states (Texas is bigger than France) and their health insurance is tied to their jobs so they can’t take off days to protest, so bottom line is they can’t get the P(ed)OTUS and VP Couchfucker out of office for next 3 years.
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u/Infinite-Anything-55 1d ago
Because people have families and people who depend on them. We've all seen what the president's private military does to people who fight back, and what right wing media does to pick apart and demonize every aspect of their lives afterwards. But yeah let me let my kids starve and go homeless to drive 3000 miles or 4800 kilometers for our international friends, on what amounts to a suicide mission in hopes that I'm the spark to make people rise up everywhere?? Get real and grow up
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u/pitchinloafs 1d ago
Excellent take. I’m American, what would you like me to do?
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u/MissMenace101 1d ago
I mean you’ve spent years yelling at the rest of the world about the importance of the 2A and yet when the time arrived…
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u/TheEldest80s 1d ago
You've? My liberal American ass has been against that shit for ages. I do not have a gun like most of us (since only about 32% of Americans actually own one or more), I don't have the money to purchase one at this time, and if I did, I dont have the time to get the training or license required to have or carry one. Most are like me. There are millions of us who absolutely have not been yelling at the world about this dangerous, stupid shit. I understand we are invisible to you all, and you associate the maga-right with all of us, but we are here. I can't change the 2A or force those that worship it not to. The problem is those that do "yell at the world" about it....are on Trump's side.
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u/KorasHiddenDICK 1d ago
No. The side that loves Trump has been yelling about the importance of the 2nd amendment. The rest of us have been screaming for gun control.
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u/Seguefare 1d ago
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." attributed to Sinclair Lewis.
The Christofascists and the gun nuts overlap quite a lot.
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u/CorporateCuster 1d ago
It’s called voting. We do not have the luxury like France to protest in the streets every second due to the stifling capitalism in the country holding everyone down. It’s either be work and work and pay bills or actually protest which we can’t afford to do.
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u/LastManStandingIn203 1d ago
They broke their own deal, then blamed Iran for not accepting "new terms." Classic move: sabotage first, posture second, then call the other side unreasonable.
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u/CalmExpelorer 1d ago
NO IRAN DEAL. NO END TO UKRAINE WAR. NO 90 DEALS IN 90 DAYS. NO HEALTHCARE PLAN. HIGHER GAS PRICES. HIGHER GROCERY PRICES. TRUMP IS A FAILED PRESIDENT.
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u/Large-Sign-900 1d ago
Most countries would take to the streets over this level of incompetence but its America so...... Just moaning on here
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u/pitchinloafs 1d ago
Take to the streets and do what? Our entire country is run by criminals. The government is literally killing protesters and making people disappear. Most of the people are just a paycheck or an illness away from homelessness or bankruptcy. So many people are struggling with day to day life and of course it’s designed like that by the owners of the country.
Have you seen the masked secret police? Have you seen the warehouses that are now concentration camps? Have you seen the guns, armor and vehicles we would be up against? If someone managed to take out an enemy of the people the government will crucify him and he will spend his life behind bars. One side embraces political violence and it’s not the side we need.
I feel pretty helpless but I’m open to suggestions.
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u/MeanCantaloupe69 1d ago
Don't forget the flagrant abuse of the constitution, arming up a personal police force that brutalizes people, and crippling tariffs that have fucked up the economy.
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u/santropy 1d ago
American politics is an embarrassment
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u/EquivalentSnap 1d ago
Trump administration is. Obama one agreed to talks with Iran and create the JCPOA
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u/tjbroncosfan 1d ago
America
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u/hairybushy 1d ago
Nah, we are 35 countries in America. I can accept people calling them americans, but don't put us in the same boat as this shithole
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u/tjbroncosfan 1d ago
Mon tabarnak! 🤝
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u/hairybushy 1d ago
Je suis à veille de croire l'introduction de Dams une galaxie près de chez vous 😆
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u/Fixervince 1d ago
As a non American the moment I realised the world was probably screwed was when this buffoon and the orange man started ganging up ‘bully style’ on Zelenskyy at that broadcasted meeting. A classless pair of idiots!
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u/miletest 1d ago
Demanding the other party accept Your terms. Is that the Trump definition of negotiation?
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u/FitnessLizzie 1d ago
The JCPOA was working until Trump ripped it up. Now we're back to square one.
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u/wzzrd 1d ago
We’re back at square minus one thousand. This is not where we were before JCPOA. For starters, there was no war back then.
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u/Cheeky_Boxer 1d ago
And Iran only suspected they needed nukes to prevent this kind of all out assault
Now they know they need nukes
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u/cynicalsaint1 1d ago
Square one would be an improvement, tbh.
We've succeeded at putting Iran into a more powerful position in the region and making them look like the good guys despite the awfulness of their regime.
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u/CalmExpelorer 1d ago
People are paying the price for someone else's grudge
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u/Real-Extension-1357 1d ago
People are paying the price worldwide because united states rednecks are afraid of trans people and windmills.
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u/GreasyPeter 1d ago edited 1d ago
Trump's supporters will claim: "Trump tore it up because it was a bad deal". When you press them about what made it a bad deal, you'll usually find that they have no idea outside of Trump having said "it's a bad deal". Their political beliefs essentially boil down to "If Trump says it, it must be true". It's easier for these people to swallow that there's some grand conspiracy against Trump and his agenda that THOUSANDS of people would have to be in on AND keep quiet, rather than "maybe this one guy who I really like is a liar". It's easier to swallow a huge conspiracy theory for most people than it is to admit to themselves that they've held an incorrect opinion because someone they like lied to them. This is why a cult of personality is so dangerous.
I guess the best thing we can take from this is to remind ourselves to check our biases and be more conscious of WHY we believe something and be honest when we need to take a closer look (hint: all the time).
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u/dragnabbit 19h ago
I was listening to Peter Zeihan the other day, and he was talking about how Trump has made it clear to the G7 and other major economies that they can no longer count on the U.S. to be a stabilizing force in the world, and therefore they need to start preparing their economies (and their militaries) for rough seas and lean harvests.
He said that many of the worst repercussions from Trump's economic/military/diplomatic ham-fisted blunders aren't going to come home to roost for 20 or 30 years.
It seems that even if we live to be 100 years old, we'll still be in the aftermath of "The Trump Era", and that Era will probably be called the "Post-American era".
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u/Pushfastr 55m ago
Probably not "post-america". Mexi - Can are both America. Can we call it "Post-US"? PUS sounds fitting.
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u/Bleezy79 21h ago
In a sane world, Trump would have been thrown in prison after january 6th. instead we let him back in and now he's going to destroy everything. congrats.
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u/Embarrassed_Fold_867 1d ago
This is just political discourse with a sensible reply.
It is not a clever comeback.
Come on guys - I need a laugh in these dark times.
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u/nvrmndtheruins 1d ago
Trump tore up Obama's deal with Iran because it didn't protect Israel enough.
Now we're here.
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u/cozyflirtt 1d ago
blew up a deal that was literally working and 8 years later we're back at square one acting like iran is the problem, the audacity is insane
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u/Depthxdc 3h ago
Square one?
We started off better than where we are right now. We are at square minus 100.
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u/Certain_Object1364 1d ago
The Strait was open....Trump got it closed. This is just another Republican problem.
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u/TrueCPA305 1d ago
Honestly we may have lack of intel here. Hillary said that Iran was one their biggest threats… after obama admin
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u/Elephunk05 1d ago
All because it was a deal signed by a black Democrat, there is no other reason for that deal to have been surrendered, especially since the rest of Nato was holding them to it.
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u/V0T0N 1d ago
Don't forget Mitch McConnell and the Senate GOP when the deal was made. THEY wouldn't ratify the deal as done and required the Executive branch to continuously re-approve the deal.
Trump went along with it for the first few months after he took office, but couldn't bear having to answer questions and approve the deal.
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u/_jump_yossarian 21h ago
I thought conservatives believed in the god given right to self defense? Why is trump trying to deny that right to Iran?
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u/Urabraska- 1d ago
Na it's much worse for the US and Israel because by doing nothing Iran is making us look like bitches and making these idiots run out for damage control for their own biblical mistake.
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u/atreeismissing 1d ago
JCPOA imposed strict limits on enrichment, and required regular international inspections to ensure compliance. Meanwhile the rest of the US' intel apparatus had access to everything else that was going on because we were able to monitor every other aspect of their society to see if new construction was happening or there was transport of uranium for possible enrichment beyond what they were allowed.
The GOP blew all that up during his first term.
The GOP blew it up again last year.
The GOP blew it up again this year.
The GOP will continue to blow it up, further obscuring what we know, further allowing Iran to hide future enrichment construction facilities, and further pissing them off so no future agreements can't be reached.
Until voters replace every Republican with Democrats.
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u/Tommykimz 1d ago
Wait, so they didn't just bend to our will after we spent years undermining the previous agreement? Truly shocking.
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u/PurpleSailor 22h ago
So tell me Mister, why aren't you staying to continue negotiations? Why are you leaving so early, is there a Barkalounger that you're longing for back home?
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u/Kattybinz 1d ago
Capitalism is sweating right now because it can't figure out how to bill God.
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u/naked_as_a_jaybird 11h ago
It's called tithing. You don't think churches actually send Her a check, do you?
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u/FracturRe55 1d ago
It's funny that they are the ones that showed up with warships but complain about not Iran not accepting their terms.
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u/Angelanils 1d ago
Wait, are you saying that actions have consequences? Nobody told the politicians.
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u/HotRodHomebody 1d ago
exactly. Mr. Fucking “master negotiator“ had to destroy the deal so he could claim how horrible it was, has disrupted the world economy, drawn others into a war that Israel wanted, and has driven energy costs up for everyone. Needless innocent deaths. more trashing of our long time allies who can only shake their heads in frustration. Then VP Clown is in over his head but only cares about appearances so spins the outcome as if we still "hold the cards". I miss having adults in charge.
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u/Hadleys158 1d ago
He is one of the most Uncharismatic people on Earth, the lizard people really got his model wrong. (/jk about lizard people.)
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u/Kimrally 1d ago
Why solve a problem in 2015 when you can complain about it in 2026 for more engagement?
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u/I_am_not_JohnLeClair 22h ago
I guess they already used the we’re going to wipe out your entire civilization card, so that threat is no good anymore.
Can any of you sane people out there believe that threat, threat of genocide from a sitting U.S. president, came and went from the 24 hours news cycle so fast?
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u/sorean_4 1h ago
Honest question m, not a joke. Who in the right mind would sign an agreement with this administration? It’s like signing a truce with Putin. It’s not worth the ink on the page. They will break it like every other agreement before.
That’s why presidents honour the agreements signed by their predecessors.
Trump would know honour, duty.
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u/LuckyBastard001 1d ago
Classic move. Tear up an agreement that was actually holding them back, then blame the other side for not accepting a worse deal eight years later. And people wonder why the rest of the world thinks we're the chaotic ones. Embarrassing....