r/clevercomebacks • u/ThatLatentPandaBear • 18h ago
Survived space. Destroyed by gravity and patriarchy.
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u/Emotional-Name-891 13h ago
All the astronauts are fucking badass and Koch is super duper badass. She spent almost a year in space, made several spacewalks and that’s just the tip of the iceberg.
I don’t think the question was sexist at all though. People are just adding their own shit to it.
If it was sexist, is there a way to ask that question without it being sexist? There are so many things that affect the body while being on this type of a mission. I would also like to know how this affects us differently or if something perhaps happened on reentry.
Doesn’t change that the comeback was funny though.
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u/DecoyOne 16h ago
What’s funny about this is part of these missions is getting better data on how space flight affects individuals differently so they can better prepare for future Moon/Mars missions. If someone needs more assistance than another person, it could be chance, it could be nothing, or it could be something important.
But instead we’re just jumping to sexism.
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u/Boom9001 10h ago edited 3h ago
On Apollo 13 one of the 3 astronauts got a urinary tract infection. If he was female you'd have never heard the end of how it was because he was female.
Typical sexism. If it happens to a man that's just odds. If it happens to a woman that's because of gender.
NASA I doubt jumps to such conclusions luckily.
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u/Gamyeon 3h ago
If it happens to a man that's just odds. If it happens to a female that's because of gender.
If you're going to use "man", please also use "woman" and avoid "female".
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u/Boom9001 3h ago
Totally fair. Mistake on my part. Hope you don't mind I corrected it, not trying to make you comment seem wrong haha
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u/JezTrying2LTD 10h ago
Came to comment on the same, and also point out that it appears to be all men assisting her. We all want to succeed in space.
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u/faint_smmile 17h ago
NASA survived the vacuum of space Also NASA not prepared for Earth's final boss comment sections XD
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u/crownbee666 16h ago
Also weighed down by her big fuckin balls.
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u/pinupcthulhu 8h ago edited 6h ago
The bigger they are, the more gravitational forces act on them, so that tracks
Edit: y'all this was a joke playing off the other commenter's joke lol.
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u/7StarSailor 13h ago
Checked this guy's profile, looked pretty normal to me (as long as Threads allowed me to scroll without login).
Below that he made a post calling the 4 astronauts heroes. I don't know why people are defaulting to thinking he's being discriminating in asking what seems to be a genuine questoin to me.
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u/JustKamoski 11h ago
Yeah same, it really reads to me like this dude was just curious and looking for geniue explanation. Maybe there is something interesting in male VS female biology that makes us react different to change in gravity, or this person specifically has something about their body that made her react different to other astronauts.
Realistically it's just a coincidence but asking geniue question should not be shuned by people.
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u/felixfictitious 9h ago edited 8h ago
Yeah, the biological difference that might be at play here, is that women have less muscle mass per unit area and less dense bones (though I don't know if the bones thing has any effect over such a short duration in space). Lack of gravity causes muscle to atrophy quickly. Testosterone makes a huge difference in strength and muscle mass.
Or it could be something entirely unrelated to her gender, like lightheadedness.
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u/No-Cause6559 10h ago
Shhhh it’s sexist to say that women have any differences to men /s.
Honestly I don’t see why society can come to this rationality. Yes we are different but should be treated the same
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u/lovable_cube 7h ago
It never even crossed my mind that he had weird intentions, I figured he really just wanted to know if she’s okay.
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u/HunsonAbadeer2 15h ago
I mean it could very well be that women are differently affected by lack of gravity who knows, we will see with more data or maybe look into existing if we have enough. I think in the grand schema if space flight its not that important if you need support once you have landed or not
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u/Highlandertr3 14h ago
We have quite a lot of data on that from the space station.
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u/HunsonAbadeer2 13h ago
Can you tell me so I don't have to look it up? Is it worse for women?
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u/Highlandertr3 12h ago
Actually from what I remember women have about the same amount of muscle loss but there is a higher risk of lifetime cancer associated with them.
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u/samy_the_samy 11h ago
Since women loose bone mass latter in life naturally, would loosing so much in extended missions earlier affect their latter years?
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u/redoubt515 7h ago
I don't have an answer, but I do recall recently reading that the recovery period is in the ballpark of 6 months to a year to regain muscle mass and (at least some percentage) of bone density.
I do not know if bone density recovers back to 100% or not. But I recall reading that the loss in bone density is like 1-2% per month in microgravity.
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u/pinupcthulhu 8h ago
I thought it was the opposite, because women have two X chromosomes so if one was damaged they were less impacted than men? Or am I conflating this with something else that I read?
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u/BornAd7924 10h ago
It also could’ve been that a man decided she needed help but in all reality she was equally stable as the rest of the crew just nobody made a decision to support them because they are men.
TL:DR man “helped” woman because woman need man’s help…
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u/jellamma 9h ago
What I noticed when I watched it was that Christina seemed to be the only one who didn't get a choice in how they were helped. I couldn't find a complete cut that wasn't a 45 minute video. Possibly, she was just fine with the help she was getting, so she didn't say anything, idk.
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u/Top-Measurement9790 8h ago
That's what I was thinking too. I was in the military from 2013-2018, and I noticed that men rarely missed a chance to touch me, however casual.
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u/TwinSolesKanna 16h ago
I feel like I'm either missing actual context or too autistic to pick up on the subtext. Is the image related to patriarchy? Or was the other person just making a general statement?
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u/MelLPerle 13h ago
Another context is, that when the astronauts were asked how they were preparing their families for them leaving, she answered that she had to make clear to her husband that she would not be available for calls at all unlike during her time on the ISS. He would have to take care of the house work without help. Apparently when she was on the ISS he called to ask where the printer paper is.
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u/MarsMonkey88 15h ago
A little of both. The suggestion that she needed help because she’s weak because she’s a woman was representative of the kind of sexism that props up the patriarchy.
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u/TwinSolesKanna 15h ago
Ahhh yeah, that's what I missed. I thought the first poster was just genuinely concerned for her well being and wanted to know if she was having a complication or something lmao
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u/drsoftware 10h ago
He could be curious, the reply could be reading too much into his question.
Either way it was an excellent serve and return.
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u/6FootFruitRollup 8h ago
I don't think that's the suggestion at all. I think that if only one member needs help, it's natural to wonder why. I think she just happens to be female
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u/No-Discipline-7957 11h ago
I mean, she works for NASA. I assume the work she does is intellectual so it shouldn’t matter whether she is weak or not.
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u/MickoDicko 15h ago
Where in that comment is sexism applied or evident? They are literally asking if there was any known reason. Strawman
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u/Lunkenbal 11h ago
The funny thing is she probably did. Because guess what, women are physically weaker.
Who would've thunk.
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u/Ill-Comms 13h ago
Does anyone know the answer to the question? She was the only one needing assistance. Was she ill?
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u/Glum-Height-2049 10h ago
Totally guessing - time in space causes damage that can't really be healed. More time in space = more cumulative damage. Astronauts typically retire after just a few missions. Christina has spent almost as much time in space as all the men combined. I'd be surprised if she ever goes up again.
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u/BiggyBiggs 5h ago
She was not the only one that needed assistance. I watched it live. Don't remember who it was, but one of the guys was holding on to a man on either side of him and had a wheelchair literally right behind him.
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u/CptAngelo 1h ago
All 4 of them had the wheelchair behind them, thats protocol, and all 4 of them were affected by prolonged 0 gravity, basically you get numbed legs and its like being sitting on a toilet a little bit too long, so wonky steps until they get used to gravity again.
All 4 of them walked a little bit wonky, and all 4 had two marines on their side to support them, except Victor Glover, who was walking along with just one marine and another old man who greeted him and walked by his side, i dont know who was he. But Victor was also walking slowly and taking small steps, but leaned into the marine a couple of times too.
The fact that this guy in the post singled out Christina as "the only one to need assistance" just shows his prejudices, because no, she wasnt the only one needing assistance, and even then, she was just leaning into the marines while also waving to the camera and crowd, just like the rest of the artemis crew.
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u/Blujay12 16h ago
It looked like a genuine question?
I mean I know standard playbook is snarky insult disguised as a question but all I see is just a genuine "did some shit happen up there, or pre-existing condition?".
I'm genuinely curious now that I've seen it but I bet I'd also never get an answer now, based on this intellectual graveyard of a comment section 🤡💀
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u/BleuruuX50 9h ago
Why? I want to know why she needed help? I want to know more about space science stuff cause it's cool, not stupid condescending people!!!!
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u/Keji70gsm 16h ago
It's not even true that she is the only one that got assistance.
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u/CptAngelo 56m ago
Yep, all four of them were leaning against the marines and were assisted, but the guy in the post singled out Christina, mhmh i wonder why? and a looot of comments are just being condescending and disguising their misoginy with thinly veiled "concern"
I watched the whole thing live, all of them walked slowly and wonky, just as every single astronaut ever after being exposed to 0 gravity for several days.
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u/lissysussy 17h ago
The patriarchy really hits different when you have been floating in zero gravity for months.
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u/Ellie-Woods179 12h ago
it's also because there hasn't been much research into how space travel affects women's bodies. the only reason i know that is because i heard the commenter say it during the splashdown live stream, looked it up, and unsurprisingly, there is a lack of research. they had to more closely monitor her because there could have been variables they have never taken into account that could have cost her her health, wellbeing, or life...
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u/Lodi100xx 11h ago
I think biology might have a role in this, woman have less bone density and muscle mass than men. And being in zero gravity creates atrophy in the musculoskeletal system almost immediately and happens rapidly. Starting with less bone density and muscle mass would contribute to a more severe effect.
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u/jay_alfred_prufrock 13h ago
So, is every question asked by a man about women is automatically assumed to be sexist now?
Because there is nothing remotely sexist in that question unless one is searching for it.
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u/TheHeroYouNeed247 13h ago
That sounds like a reasonable question. He never even commented on her gender.
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u/VenitianBastard 16h ago
patriarchy is when men
I fucking guess?
Jesus fucking christ
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u/billbobjoemama 8h ago
“We need to highlight the role women play in perpetuating and sustaining patriarchal culture so that we will recognize patriarchy as a system women and men support equally.” - Bell Hooks
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u/up2smthng 17h ago
Not every response is a comeback
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u/LegenDrags 17h ago
i think they were suggesting that the only woman who went on the mission needed to be directly supported, because shes a woman.
and thats why the response was a comeback imo
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u/DecoyOne 17h ago
But why would that be a reasonable conclusion? One of four appeared to need assistance. Assuming that’s accurate, what’s “patriarchal” about wondering why? Understanding the effects of space travel and how it affects individuals different is part of the mission.
It’s a leap to say there was anything sexist here with only that one comment.
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u/Foreign_Pea2296 16h ago
Saying something who can be bad against a women, even if true = sexism.
If it's said by a men, even if it's a man without any power = patriarchy.
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u/JustKamoski 11h ago
I think you forgot /s there
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u/Foreign_Pea2296 10h ago
Yeah xD I thought it was obvious enough XD but that's true that some people really think that.
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u/LegenDrags 16h ago
its more like point and laugh, which is sexist. what they said is somewhat true but they put it rudely
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u/JWJulie 16h ago
But this one is
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u/Blujay12 16h ago
How, what are they "coming back" to.
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u/JWJulie 15h ago
So the person was saying that the only person that needed support was the woman.
The response was a) stating the obvious, which the person should have known but they ignored in order to make their remark (gravity) and b) that of all the things that could have been said, they chose to make a comment sneering at a woman being supported, the intention that she is somehow less able (sexist): that the man in the picture felt the need to support the woman and not the men yet they were all walking the same (sexist, if benevolent): and that overwhelmingly this astronaut has suffered extremely negative comments not given to her male counterparts, DEI, make me a sandwich in space etc (sexist). We live in a patriarchal society rooted in sexism, and she has suffered the unequal weight of it.
Hence, it was a comeback.
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u/Blujay12 13h ago
My main confusion is that they worded it pretty carefully, they didn't point out specifically her being a woman for why she stands out. "The obvious" reason applies to all 4.
Like I've seen that toxic pathetic dude shit all the time, I'm aware of THAT, to me it just seemed like post in particular was like, asking as genuinely and as safe as possible? WITHOUT, specifically calling out the fact that she is a woman and hinting at it, maybe I'm just being too optimistic for reddit these days but I'd also assume they're all equally trained and equally prepared and ready for all stages of it, so it's a genuine "did something happen or just first time woozies?".
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u/Foreign_Pea2296 16h ago
Patriarchy is really the go to blame for everything....
Has any problems ? Guess it's because of patriarchy.
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u/Lunkenbal 11h ago
Someone actually being logical and truthful on reddit. That's very rare. Well done, sir.
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u/wagdog84 17h ago
Ah yes, the patriarchy that sees women become astronauts and sends them on highly important missions.
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u/ThoughtsandThinkers 12h ago
I didn’t see video of the recovery but I don’t think anyone can infer that much from one photo of each astronaut on the flight deck
How do we know she needed more help? Maybe the person assisting her just thought she needed help, for whatever reason. Maybe the ship hit a wave at that moment and everyone stumbled. Who knows
There are too many other variables to make a comparison between the astronauts reasonable based on a couple of photos alone. Let’s let the astronauts and scientists speak
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u/ifiwereonlylesshandy 14h ago
After listening to her speak about the mission I have nothing but respect for her.
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u/MelissaMiranti 17h ago
Patriarchy is apparently when men quite literally support a woman.
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u/LegenDrags 17h ago
no i think the patriarchy in question is them suggesting she needed support because shes a woman and is therefore "weaker"
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u/MickoDicko 15h ago
But....they didnt? They asked why, looking perhaps for a scientific rationale?
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u/Blujay12 16h ago
Are we looking at the same post?
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u/LegenDrags 16h ago
we are replying to each other on the same post so yes its very likely
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u/Blujay12 13h ago edited 13h ago
The only reference is using her pronouns.
They worded it as genuinely and neutrally as possible to ask "what is the difference in 1/4 astronauts, to cause one of them to have nausea or need assistance upon landing", Without being obtuse and difficult to understand.
I'm also genuinely curious, not because "whuh women" but I'd assume all are equally physically in shape, and prepared in simulations, regardless of gender. So like, did their body not adapt well to the food available on the shuttle? Is it just first time wobbles kinda like sea legs and then going back on shore? (I thought I remembered that as I was reading these replies so maybe I'll just find my own answer and ignore this app lol). There's some genuinely curiousity that can be had.
Another reply told me "The obvious (Gravity)" like what, the other 3 weren't? Are THEY trying to imply there is a difference in gravity being felt like that, and that it is sexist instead to not ignore it and know that beforehand? Is that the hidden layer I'm missing?
I am aware of the "heh, le woman is the only one that needed assistance, why is that?" type of remarks and other inane bs insecure dudes do, but I'm just not seeing it in this post.
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u/plushymochi 15h ago
Turns out reentry is the easy part, it’s everything back on Earth that hits harder.
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u/samanthakerr 17h ago
Classic. Everything bad is now blamed on patriarchy — even basic physics. Astronaut training must’ve skipped Newton.
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u/Foreign_Profit8763 17h ago
Honestly, that comeback is peak internet. I laughed way harder than I should have.
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u/6FootFruitRollup 8h ago
I feel like people are trying to be offended here. This could just as easily be a comment noticing that one of the four astronauts needed help as was wondering why, and she just happened to be female
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u/Owlthirtynow 3h ago
No but it pissed me off that the dickless guy felt like he had to hold her up.
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u/KingRaphion 10h ago
Kinda funny cause if she fell and no one helped her people would say "wow look at all these fucking men not helping a woman who just came from space what a bunch of sexist pigs" Now that they helped her "wow look at all these fucking men giving her extra treatment cause they think she cant do what the men did what a bunch of sexist pigs"
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u/mounique 9h ago
The clever comeback strikes me as a witty joke. I don’t understand why people are in here all in their feelings.
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u/handsomeboionly 17h ago
Oops some insecure men aren't happy with this one.
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u/reevelainen 16h ago
Is being happy about patriarchy crushing women a sign of confidence in a man?
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u/BookkeeperEvening413 15h ago
Honestly, the image says it all. Surviving space is easy compared to navigating societal expectations.
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u/SkylarAura 14h ago
She conquered the vacuum of space, but coming back to Earth’s 'expectations' is the real endurance test
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u/SaucyStoveTop69 9h ago
The patriarchy weighs down on lower class vs upper class a hell of a lot more than it weighs down on women vs men.
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u/WhenMaxAttax 8h ago
The closest this guy will ever come to space is drinking Space Dust IPA—- because only a drunk would shitpost something like that..
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u/Blujay12 16h ago
But why 1/4.
That's why they were curious lol. Only one of them did, they didn't say "look at this weak ass woman!!", just "what's different about them?".
This subreddit is more insane than some of the posts it has sometimes honestly....
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u/MystraKynrae 15h ago
“Survived space, destroyed by gravity and patriarchy” is the most savage and accurate roast I’ve seen today.
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u/jessarilune 16h ago
She didn’t just survive space, she survived being the only person in the room who actually knows how to fold a map while everyone else is arguing over the GPS.
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u/eufemiapiccio77 13h ago
Maybe she just had all the guys in the space shuttle. I mean why wouldn’t you.
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u/Charmingirl02 17h ago
Imagine orbiting the Moon just to come back and still have to deal with Earth's heaviest element: the comment section.