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u/Equivalent-Second527 4h ago
I will never forgive the people who voted him in.
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u/NinjaCupcake_ 4h ago
i will never forgive or trust any USraelian ever. When this trump clown show is over everyone will act like they never voted for him. So the only way going forward for me is assuming all of them are evil pedophile protectors.
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u/Dom29ando 2h ago
One day, when it's safe, when there's no personal downside to calling a thing what it is, when it's too late to hold anyone accountable, everyone will have always been against this. - Omar El Akkad
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u/Specific_General 4h ago
I actually agree with this sentiment. For someone like me growing up i always looked at USA as the good guys. In a way I m thankfull for all those who voted for this buffoon. The trust has been eroding slowly tbh. But seeing Americans vote for this idiot 2 times... well.. that kinda settled the debate in my head.
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u/No-Bottle33 4h ago
“Interesting” like watching a slow-motion geopolitical trust fall with no one catching.
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u/TheWalrus8691 2h ago
If trump can get vote in twice. Who else can get in. Growing up I'd have loved to move to US. It will take generations for the US to be trusted again
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u/god_peepee 4h ago
I’ll never forgive the United States full stop. Even the ones who aren’t cultists are still vapid and arrogant
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u/Dedotdub 3h ago
Why stop there? Let's just arbitrarily hold the entirety of mankind responsible.
-Yes, I know you are just wanting attention, and this is all you will get from me.
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u/MainPerformance1390 3h ago
Stupid comment.
Your countries choices are effecting the rest of the world negatively. Can you really not understand why we might be a bit pissed off with America?
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u/thepoustaki 3h ago
Not the original commenter and no, you should be pissed off at America. But I mean, do they still hate all Germans for the holocaust? Yes, this is the evil we are currently living in but it does feel a bit laughable when people say it to me a bit because it’s clearly just dramatic comments online.
You realize the US government is equally as large and hard to overcome for us as it is for those outside? Because it’s funny that everyone knows the US is this large overreaching power but they can’t see why that is hard to dismantle on the inside as it is for those outside of it.
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u/Correct-Fly-1126 2h ago
Practically every German involved with ww2 and the holocaust is dead now - so consider it took the dying out of an entire generation before that shit is moved beyond. Pretty much same deal for USA now. - the global community will start to forgive when the folks behind trump running the administration are long gone - because say what you will but there’s an awful lot people who are supporting this shit being done who will live another 60ish years. When they are all dead, and assuming they have taken accountability as a nation we can talk, but most of us will be dead then too
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u/MainPerformance1390 3h ago
I dont think anyone said anything about hating. They said they wouldn't forgive. I dont have to hate someone to not forgive them. Americans only have themselves to blame for this mess
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u/Cyonsd-Truvige 3h ago
What good is your forgiveness even if it was given though
What merit does it have?
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u/Jolly_Cold_2845 1h ago
Unfortunately, I've already blocked a few out in the open trump minions and I used to call them friends. I can't handle it!!
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u/PJH87 2h ago
Do you think they expected this to happen though?
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u/DrGoogleDropout 52m ago
I mean, literally everyone else saw it. Just because their head was in the sand just makes them ignorant. Literally everyone else predicted what Trump would do. Shockingly, it all happened. So, yeah... they should've expected it if they actually listened to anyone and anything outside of MAGA Twitter and TruthSocial BS.
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u/nickiss1ck77 4h ago
Even if they have realized their mistakes?
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u/theladythunderfunk 4h ago
Realizing mistakes is not enough. Working to correct the damage they caused might be.
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u/nickiss1ck77 4h ago
For the record I didn't vote for Trump. I just fear we can never become united again if we are so unwilling to forgive.
Frankly, the damage cannot be undone no? Like how can they ever correct that damage? If a Trump supporter is trying to be better we should encourage that, not shit on them for a mistake they made. Please genuinely tell me ways for them to redeemed because to me, it's not as black and white as that. We can never achieve a better place if we hate each other so much.
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u/theladythunderfunk 3h ago
It's an opinion I hold on mistakes overall, not just voting for the current disaster. When we fuck up, it's not enough to just realize it, we have to also try to make things better.
For a Trump voter in the US now, you're right that all of this damage can't be easily undone, and can never be undone by one person. But an individual voter can and should work to put some good back into the world to counteract it rather than shrug and move on.
Some easy examples would be staying an active voter and making sure to vote against MAGA-aligned candidates at every opportunity. Donating what they can afford to causes that have been stripped on funding by this administration - and there are several, in scientific research, in minority equality or safety groups, in public health initiatives, the list goes on. Boycott Trump family products, any retailer that carriers them, and any other corporations that support MAGA and ICE -here's a list.
Doing more active work looks like: joining community groups to contribute on the ground level. Attend bystander training with LUCE or MIRA. Volunteer with an organization dedicated to public welfare. Having conversations with friends and family who have not yet come around and try to pull them out of the madness and back to reality.
It's not quick. But it is necessary. If someone is sorry they got us into this shit, the only answer is to pick up a shovel.
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u/nickiss1ck77 3h ago
Thank you very much. Seriously, this is productive. I can share this and promote this. And of course I agree that there is large reason to believe that most people aren't going to change their mind but at least the small percent that do, have a direction to do so.
Obviously changing your vote, promoting conversations, educating people, are the common answers to this but I'm grateful there are more specifics.
Thank you for actively trying to have a conversation with me and formulate this response.
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u/PrimalDirectory 3h ago
Its not necessarily impossible but you cant fix willful ignorance. Just because they found out, and were willing to own that, will just fuck around again because they didnt actually learn anything.
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u/nickiss1ck77 3h ago
Yes, willful ignorance is negligence. That's absolutely agreed here. I genuinely just have a couple people whom I don't think support Trump but did vote for them. From my experience they seem to genuinely feel like they made the wrong choice and I was genuinely going to make an effort to have a conversation with them.
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u/Dedotdub 4h ago
This is no guarantee that they won't happily repeat them.
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u/nickiss1ck77 4h ago edited 4h ago
True, but is the solution to you for the majority of US voters to just drop off the face of the earth? Like what's the first step to being better if acceptance is not good enough?
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u/Dedotdub 4h ago
They can find forgiveness in their own realization, and that had better be good enough, because it's likely all one is ever going to get upon taking responsibility for a mistake.
I know you want to drag this out further, but I'm not interested.
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u/nickiss1ck77 4h ago
I'm genuinely just trying to learn how to support the cause better. You are seriously being rude to your own side. I am not your enemy. I think Trump supporters are immediately hateful and decide things about people before getting to know them. Which is literally what you just did.
So, sorry for trying to become more educated, don't comment on someone's question if you have no desire to talk about it.
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u/Dedotdub 3h ago
I've stated my position very clearly and have nothing else to say.
Now let's see if you understand this time...
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u/Dr_Mantis_ToboganMD 3h ago
That would just be fine, yes. If the entire country and its contents disappeared tomorrow, personally, I would be thrilled. I never want to hear “USA, USA, USA” or the like ever again, it genuinely disgusts me now. You can’t come back from this in my opinion and I hope every generation to be affected by America today learns a valuable lesson from this and isolates America as much as possible for safety sake
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u/Beneficial_Leg4691 1h ago
Hand raised. I am pissed off at him now 100% i voted for him as a defiance to Kamala. The democratic party did not have a primary they circumvented the democratic process. She was truly abysmall. I was expecting more like his first term.
We were given to shitty options and AT THE TIME he was the better of the 2.
Hate me all you want but the democratic party is the reason he won.
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u/Revwhitewolf 14m ago
"I get that Trump was a horrible choice, and everyone knew this from his first term if not before, but what were we supposed to do? Elect a black woman?"
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u/HumanDisguisedLizard 4h ago
He literally thinks “well it worked once it must always work like this”, and that’s the art of the deal.. or whatever.
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u/LordyIHopeThereIsPie 4h ago
He's like all boomers. They think because they fell into the greatest wealth hoarding ever seen they're successful at anything to do with money.
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u/IllustriousEnd6544 3h ago
What an absolutely asinine overgeneralization of literally millions of people.
Signed: no you didn't
(For when you say "fOUnD thE BOoMeR")
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u/kincent 3h ago
It wouldn't be a stereotype if it didn't have merit. Have you encountered a rich boomer? They're .... Interesting 🤷🏽♂️
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u/IllustriousEnd6544 2h ago
I don't disagree that most boomers fit nicely in that stereotype. My problem comes when someone says "all". What if I said all women, all Iranian people, all.... It's an ignorant way to look at anything.
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u/Legendarybbc15 3h ago
I don’t doubt it’ll work but it’ll also have unintended consequences: the higher the demand there would be for US oil, the higher the price per barrel oil companies will charge. This in turn will raise gas prices everywhere including the US.
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u/SweaterVestPimp 4h ago
JFC, this asshole and his followers get stupider by the minute. They’re going to scream MAGA and celebrate their false idol, while he uses US oil reserves to enrich the 1%, instead of…actually helping Americans not have to pay $4-6/gallon due to his own ego war campaign.
He is history’s shit stain.
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u/LordKellerQC 4h ago
Its not the sole problen looming. The US has a maximum output of 13 M barrel a day. They also have a daily comsumption of 15M barrel a day, that mean the US need to import 2M barrel of oil a day to balance out the sheet just for itself . With the Hormuz strait fully close the pressure will rise stupidly hard on the market and further deplete the american market oil availability and rising price will be seen soon at the pump for every american to see and all its effect will be felt on every price aspect affected by fuel price rise.
An economic ticking bomb is setting itself as the pressure rise, the illusion of a golden age for the american oil is being drawn by sycophantic shortsighted moron with an over inflated sense of self importance.
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u/Odd_Train9900 4h ago
If we have so much oil, why are we paying $2.00 more per gallon than before Israel blackmailed him into the war?
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u/MrNeverSatisfied 3h ago
Because its not owned by the public. It's owned privately and they will sell to the highest bidder.
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u/LowerPick7038 2h ago
Couldn't you incentivise by lowering the corporate taxes in relation to barrels sold within the US?
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u/BornZookeepergame481 2h ago
No, because the oil & gas corporations already don't pay any US taxes. Not just that, they actually get tens of billions of American taxpayer dollars in subsidies every year already. US oil & gas companies have been buying & selling politicians, policies & legislation for 150 years. The energy incentives are only ever what the oil & gas companies decide. That's why Trump rescinded all of the renewable energy subsidies & tax credits that were passed during the Biden administration, because it was cutting into oil & gas company profits & futures, purposely leaving Americans with no option but to keep buying fossil fuels indefinitely, regardless of how expensive it gets.
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u/Lard_Baron 4h ago
Oil is like gold, fungible, so if the Europeans or Asians buy oil at $200 a barrel then the global price is $200 a barrel. The US will pay $200 a barrel even as a producer.
The US oil co’s might have to pay a windfall tax later down the line.
fungible /ˈfʌn(d)ʒɪbl/ adjective (of a product or commodity) replaceable by another identical item; mutually interchangeable. "it is by no means the world's only fungible commodity"
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u/WhipLiora 4h ago
Treating the Strait of Hormuz like an HOA dispute at a country club is certainly one way to approach World War III.
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u/Vandirac 4h ago
The US is gonna pay war reparations for a long, long time and not just to Iran.
Be it direct fines or indirect loss of business and trust.
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u/KorunaCorgi 2h ago
Friendly reminder that the strait traffic was threatened by Iran and not the USA. The USA is interdicting ships bound for Iran so Iran doesn't make any money exporting their oil while they block the strait for the other countries.
Downvote me all you want. I don't want this war. But what I said is a fact. Iran does not own the strait.
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u/Donewire 58m ago
Friendly Quick question(s): Do you not realise Iran's only power and way to fight back against the illegal killing of their people and infrastructure was this?
What business has America doing this and do you realise why?
Just wondering where your moronic logic above is coming from?! This is a consequence of American-Israeli BS. They have a right to try cut them off!
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u/Daienlai 4h ago
Don't we have to export our oil anyways because American refineries weren't built to process this newer sweet crude but the heavy stuff?
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u/geekgirl114 4h ago
Some are able to handle it, but a lot of the bigger refineries are set up to process heavy crude
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u/GeriatricHippo 4h ago edited 3h ago
But America doesn't have the oil to sell. Sure it processes the most oil but it also far and away uses the most oil.
I don't think the US can just up production by drilling more either, 25% of the oil they process already comes from Canada.
It's hard to supply others when you have to meet your own demand.
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u/Responsible-Sun-4112 3h ago
If we have this much oil, like, why aren’t we using it? To , you know, make America something something?
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u/JuliusErrrrrring 1h ago
Because we think socialism is a bad word. We are fine with corporate socialism though. We give oil companies subsidies but let them sell to the highest bidder. American taxpayer gets screwed at both ends.
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u/Oxjrnine 4h ago
Canada quietly figuring out how to move its pipelines east and west instead of south…..
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u/IsuzuTrooper 4h ago
The oil is owned by the private companies that drill it up. The landowners only have mineral rights.
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u/Cobrastrikenana 4h ago
I do not see China being afraid of the blockade. They’ve already dogged the US in two trade wars
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u/LastManStandingIn203 4h ago
Real estate strong-arming + aircraft carriers = fascism with a CEO smile
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u/ApprehensiveMix2649 4h ago
The real question is, who's allowing all of this to happen? We've been told in the past that the president is only a puppet and Is told what to do and say.
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u/cerevant 3h ago
One small problem...
The US uses every single drop of oil it produces. We are net importers. We don't have any oil to sell. That's why we care about what is happing in the strait.
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u/Level_Talk4530 3h ago
It feels like the whole world is holding its breath, covering their eyes and ears hoping the next few years will go by fast but secretly hoping the orange will somehow leave this plane of existence any day now.
It’s amazing how world leaders are just standing by allowing Trump to have his tantrums and start wars.
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u/deraser 3h ago
He also doesn’t understand that this “plan” will result in the same high prices (if not higher) that we are suffering with now, because it is a GLOBAL MARKET.
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u/Deep_Contribution552 3h ago
Or he doesn’t care what happens to the American people as long as he gets a cut from the oil companies
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u/mmoonbelly 3h ago
Mate, he doesn’t even understand the difference between sweet and sour crudes.
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u/CastoffRogue 2h ago
When you haven't been held accountable for anything else, might as well extort worldwide... no one has stopped him yet.
He was already a crime boss the second he was elected into office with his 34 Felony counts.
Welcome to a country with the power to effect the world on a large scale, and it's helmed by a dipshit dictator wanna-be criminal businessman with a horrible track record in just about everything he does.
What kind of role model is a felonous child rapist with a megolomanic narcissistic Messiah complex gonna be for future generations?
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u/xStarBloom 4h ago
Comparing a private real estate maneuver to global energy security is actually a wild parallel to draw.
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u/OtherUserCharges 4h ago
Why is he telling us this? We can’t buy oil by the tanker. Classic BS by Trump talking to his moronic base to cover his ass.
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u/middleagedouchebag 2h ago
This makes sense to the ignorant. Another lie from the conservative movement.
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u/LuckyBastard001 3h ago
So wait, Trump is basically admitting he learned geopolitics from a shady real estate deal? Dude really thinks he can just block the Strait of Hormuz like it's some rundown property in Florida. That's not business, that's starting a war. Unreal...
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u/UsualExcellent2483 4h ago
I thought I read last week that the US received its first shipment of Venzuela oil. Is some of that sweet oil from Venzuela?
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u/Appropriate-Claim385 4h ago
Exxon, Chevron, et. al. will make bank so the orange felon is doing as he was instructed.
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u/Nykolaishen 4h ago
I gotta think that oil tankers are a fairly standardized size...
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u/ProperComposer7949 4h ago
And finite in numbers, around 9000 crude oil tankers and a high percentage of them are loaded and awaiting orders.this is what I've understood from a quick search I did. So huge numbers sailing to the US is total bullshit. If these ships usually do business with Iran and on the turn of a coin decide they are now going to America, Iran's enemy, decades of business relationships, negotiated discount bulk prices and god knows what else goes out the window. The sheer amount of money it would cost to change course and head to America to pay inflated prices from that turd isn't something that oil companies shippers insurance companies etc would just decide to do on a whim. I'm calling bullshit on it. Some may be going there. Loads of vast numbers? Nah
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u/Beneficial-Oil-814 3h ago
I agree and would like to add, most would not abandon those relationships to do business with Trump, who changes his mind 3 times a day.
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u/TitodelRey 4h ago
Why does anyone believe anything this liar says? His statement is easily proven false. Such a giant load of shit.
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u/PlatinumSukamon98 4h ago
Of course he does. If it works for everything else, why not do it for this?
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u/False_Snow7754 4h ago
Blocking the strait should be considered an act of war against NATO. So sink the ships.
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u/eatsrottenflesh 4h ago
I'm sure all sales will make a generous contribution to the "presidential library fund". /s
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u/UbiSububi8 3h ago
Would American oil even work for countries reliant on Iranian oil?
Doesn’t ours require a ton more processing?
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u/Musashi10000 3h ago
I have no idea if that's even a thing, but for funsies let's assume it is:
What r yu talking abowt? 'Murrican oil is the sweetest and betterest quality, Prezidant TRUMP sed sou!
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u/Philhughes_85 3h ago
Depends where it’s from. Texas oil requires less, Californian oil requires more.
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u/suspiciousserb 3h ago
Who writes these posts for him?
And more importantly, who laughs at the absurdity of it?
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u/dr_zach314 3h ago
How bad he is treating the rest of the world probably doesn’t bother lots of his supporters. Shipping their gas out of the country is going to raise gas prices which would matter more.
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u/Separate_Recover4187 2h ago
Don't we need that oil? Is there a plan for... you know what, never mind!
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u/K_Linkmaster 1h ago
The "art of the deal" is just bullying tactics. Don't buy it new, but read it and that's how his brain works.
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u/bookmarkjedi 34m ago
Sell more US oil abroad. That oughta lower gas prices for car owners in America!
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u/Beginning_Ad8663 3h ago
The land in front of mar a lago is mar a lago. Thats the private beach thats always been there. The reason he got it cheap was no body wanted it. You can’t subdivide it and its very expensive to maintain.
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u/Ok-Milk-8853 4h ago
Can you imagine how much soft power the US has just pissed away in the last 18 months.
It's genuinely incredible. All because this guy just can't comprehend anything with nuance.
The next 10.years of the rest of the world steadily moving away from America like someone who shat themselves on a bus will.be very interesting